My (educated) guess is that that is for people who have not upgraded to R4 from R3. Be has maintained for some time now that R4->4.5 would be a free upgrade.
Just because it isn't available on the BeDepot website just means that they haven't made the packages yet.
If it isn't even close to usable why do I stay in it all day every day?
Oh, I forgot, If I am using Be every day, I must not do anything on my machine.... Wrong, I do all my schoolwork, papers, software, and research in Be. I do all my 'internet crap' from Be. I feel BAD when I have to write software for other platforms, because I have never seen an API as comfortable as Be's.
What makes Be not usable? What is missing that keeps it from being usable?
it's not for network guru's (it's not multi-user),
Nope.... It isn't. That's why it is the MEDIA OS, and not the "NETWORK SERVER OS".
it's not for the standard media users (Photoshop is a standard tool in most companies I work with)
Last time I checked, and I COULD be wrong, but are still images the ONLY media around? Be has 3D support ( Blender in a few weeks, Cinema 3D too), a *WHOLE* lot of audio support (they just announced 26 audio companies supporting BeOS), Video Editing/Capture support (MediaDV, MGI VideoWave)......
It's not for the end user (they would scream "where's my Netscape").
The Mozilla port is coming along nicely, and is in line for release with the rest of the Mozilla ports. (Including Windows and Linux).
As a standard Linux/MacOS user (MacOS for work) I see that Linux needs only fix a few simple/major things to become great.
-A standard GUI (not everyone has to use it, but it has to be considered "the standard". One in which the OS boots directly into. Many people would be happy with themes. (We have something to learn in this area from MacOS, BeOS, and even the evil M$!
Before Linux even comes CLOSE to a normal enduser OS, it needs to be MUCH more easily configured..... No user is going to settle for fucking with runlevels, kernel recompiles, etc. Even things like XF86Config and WindowMaker are far too complicated for "Plug-n-Play Windows/MacOS users".
They don't want to screw with stuff like that....
-SMP From what I now understand of Linux, this is a more serious problem then I originally thought. I'm not a serious programmer, but talk to programmers frequently. BeOS has us licked here (fortunately, there aren't many multiple processor machines out there YET!)
But even if the SMP performance is improved to a point closer to BeOS', it still has a major problem.... Lack of multithreaded applications... Sure, all the different processes move towards the same goal, threads would have better performance.
Be's real SMP power is that the OS is SO multithreaded... Not to the point of excess (It still runs great on single processor machines), but to the point where the OS scales amazingly.
And in Linux's defense, SMP performance is improved drastically in the v2.2 kernel... It still isn't where it should be, but it is MUCH better.
-Distribution Why in the NAME OF GOD do we not get linux burned onto the CD's that go out with magazines! We are retarded! Joe blow isn't going to download 100+ megs for an OS that he doesn't understand. I bet we would get it on more machines if they had the CD and a nice
article about it to help them.
I think before you start worrying about how well distributed Linux is, you need to make it more user friendly, especially the Installation.... Redhat installs quite nicely, I got it on with no problem.. But it still requires too much technical knowledge...
Linux has PLENTY of press, and the people who feel able to try it out, will... They can get their hands on it from a ton of sources... The people who aren't eager enough to go hunt down a distro for themselves, aren't ready for Linux...
BeOS isn't open source, I don't feel it's a solution for anything NOW, but once they implement multi-user (sometime this year I hope), things are going to change. I hope it's not the price
Pssst.... Open Source isn't the end-all solution.... There is plenty of Free/Open software for BeOS. I personally don't see any advantages in Be going Open Source. It is very rapidly developed as it is now (a 6-9 month development cycle for new major rX.0 releases, you don't see that ANYWHERE else, not even Linux), and Be is VERY open to suggestions for change.
And as far as Multi-user goes, I acknoledge that some people (including me) REALLY want multi-user, it isn't going to break the back of any of the users they are currently aiming at. It is on its way........
> You dildo. "Graphical terminals?" Brilliant. How long did it take you to think THAT one up?
You fuckstain. It figures you would ignore all the content and skip to the iMac slam. Don't call Apple's current situation a Comeback in any way/shape/form. Very few people, including their stockholders, believe that their little sliver of marketshare will last at all..
Of course the Mac devotees are going to say "People have said that Apple has been going out of business for 10 years.."
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My (educated) guess is that that is for people who have not upgraded to R4 from R3. Be has maintained for some time now that R4->4.5 would be a free upgrade.
Just because it isn't available on the BeDepot website just means that they haven't made the packages yet.
When does he start getting semi-skilled?
If it isn't even close to usable why do I stay in it all day every day?
Oh, I forgot, If I am using Be every day, I must not do anything on my machine.... Wrong, I do all my schoolwork, papers, software, and research in Be. I do all my 'internet crap' from Be. I feel BAD when I have to write software for other platforms, because I have never seen an API as comfortable as Be's.
What makes Be not usable? What is missing that keeps it from being usable?
Chime in when you have a clue, ok?
seanf();
Nope.... It isn't. That's why it is the MEDIA OS, and not the "NETWORK SERVER OS".
Last time I checked, and I COULD be wrong, but are still images the ONLY media around? Be has 3D support ( Blender in a few weeks, Cinema 3D too), a *WHOLE* lot of audio support (they just announced 26 audio companies supporting BeOS), Video Editing/Capture support (MediaDV, MGI VideoWave)......
The Mozilla port is coming along nicely, and is in line for release with the rest of the Mozilla ports. (Including Windows and Linux).
Before Linux even comes CLOSE to a normal enduser OS, it needs to be MUCH more easily configured..... No user is going to settle for fucking with runlevels, kernel recompiles, etc. Even things like XF86Config and WindowMaker are far too complicated for "Plug-n-Play Windows/MacOS users".
They don't want to screw with stuff like that....
But even if the SMP performance is improved to a point closer to BeOS', it still has a major problem.... Lack of multithreaded applications... Sure, all the different processes move towards the same goal, threads would have better performance.
Be's real SMP power is that the OS is SO multithreaded... Not to the point of excess (It still runs great on single processor machines), but to the point where the OS scales amazingly.
And in Linux's defense, SMP performance is improved drastically in the v2.2 kernel... It still isn't where it should be, but it is MUCH better.
I think before you start worrying about how well distributed Linux is, you need to make it more user friendly, especially the Installation.... Redhat installs quite nicely, I got it on with no problem.. But it still requires too much technical knowledge...
Linux has PLENTY of press, and the people who feel able to try it out, will... They can get their hands on it from a ton of sources... The people who aren't eager enough to go hunt down a distro for themselves, aren't ready for Linux...
Pssst.... Open Source isn't the end-all solution.... There is plenty of Free/Open software for BeOS. I personally don't see any advantages in Be going Open Source. It is very rapidly developed as it is now (a 6-9 month development cycle for new major rX.0 releases, you don't see that ANYWHERE else, not even Linux), and Be is VERY open to suggestions for change.
And as far as Multi-user goes, I acknoledge that some people (including me) REALLY want multi-user, it isn't going to break the back of any of the users they are currently aiming at. It is on its way........
seanf();
> You dildo. "Graphical terminals?" Brilliant. How long did it take you to think THAT one up?
You fuckstain. It figures you would ignore all the content and skip to the iMac slam. Don't call Apple's current situation a Comeback in any way/shape/form. Very few people, including their stockholders, believe that their little sliver of marketshare will last at all..
Of course the Mac devotees are going to say "People have said that Apple has been going out of business for 10 years.."