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Scratching MP3s with a real turntable
Em writes "Wired News spotted these guys and their cool idea for making real turntables scratch and mix MP3s. Plug your Technics into your BeOS machine and scratch with their special vinyl. They map the 'record' to your MP3 file. I reckon I'd buy BeOS for this. " Jeez-combine this with the audio equipment we got yesterday, and Rob and I might cut a record. There's a disturbing thought. Someone alert DJ Shadow to this-I want the new album to come out soon.
This is old news, but its still a very cool use of BeOS. I recall a killer app called BeatBox that was in devlopment a long time ago for BeOS that would alow you to skratch and mix audio tracks from CD or your HD in real time using up to four trackpads (the BeBOX has four serial ports). Dont know where it went but it was a very cool app.
Most of the stuff I did was rock/dance/trance/techno so the MP3 loss of fidelity or choppiness of soft soft music wouldn't have been noticed...
I don't know, man, the difference in quality from vinyl to cd is really noticable in drum/bass heavy music like house or big beat. Try playing an Armand Van Helden house mix on both, and compare. Vinyl whoops all ass in that case.
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Michael Chisari
DJ Shadow is now beginning to use ProTools. FWIW.
You mean you think the coolest thing about BeOS is that you can scratch with it?
I'm gonna go get a bottle of whiskey and my gun and let fate take it's course....
i'm a Be boy in a Be boy stance
rock on the mic and
make the grrls wanna dance
At a malicious cracker (no really, am not kidding) meeting once, it was pretty cool.. and the software they used ran under Linux.
At a malicious cracker (no really, not kidding) meeting once, it was pretty cool.. and the software they used ran under Linux.
happy hardcore ? how can you !!! =)
BeOS is capable of hosting a syetem like this because of its fundamental system architecture. Could Linux even handle it and keep the latency down?
Keep an eye out for some cool audio apps on Linux soon!
Check out ALSA for some cool audio developments on Linux.
...for "scratching" mp3's.
Why do you think most DJs still use vinyl?
Do you realize the creme de la creme of turntables uses the exact same design it did when it was introduced in the ***70's*** ???
These are not people who are looking for a "new" way to spin. Even CD players with pitch control are frowned upon by most true school DJs.
Sometimes the old way really IS better.
The trouble with Linux is that there is no decent "standard" sound library. There are a lot of little special purpose sound libraries, but nothing "professional" in the sense of a nice, multi-threaded sound library that can handle a large number of sound cards (including professional ones), and provide a powerful enough interface to allow the flexibility to do something like what has been done for BeOS. Sure you can chain together a bunch of smaller apps as noted, but they often conflict (ie. use different sound libraries that can't all initialize the sound card the way they want) and/or aren't very good quality.
What Linux needs is some high quality, integrated multimedia libraries to become an interesting platform for audiophiles/animators/etc. Linux has always been lacking in this department.
Is there a way to send cash directly to DJ Shadow? I prefer to pay him directly instead of through a record label. Consider the slashdot effect of $$ sent to worthy artists.... coders... Y'all do have a tiny amount of spare cash, right?
Yep, it's very cool... and very useful for me. I can't wait 'til some top-line midi sequencers and digital audio recording software comes out for the BeOS.
I relly can't imagine mysealf running that OS, its OK but its not free nor any software that runs on it.
Uh, there is plenty of no charge and Open Source (TM) software for the BeOS.
Did you give your CD away or did you make them buy a copy? Do you give your books away? Or do you make a copy? Did you regularly give away your term papers to everyone before you professor saw them?
Did you ever figure out a cool way to complete an assignment and then tell everyone so that they could do it too or did you keep it to yourself and get the A? How about work? Do you work for nothing? What you know is the reason why you're employable. If you added nothing, you're dead weight.
IP has its place. Sure you don't want companies beating you over the head with it. But to eliminate it completely is sheer folly. If you've ever had a creative thought (doubtful since you parrot the standard FSF Mantra (tm)) and wanted to to be paid for it, then you would understand.
i got two turntables and a microphone.
I know that at least in the case of R3, if you purchased BeOS and weren't satisfied, you could return the unused portion (tm) for a full refund. This probably still holds true for R4. And, of course, It's Free to large OEMs who wish to truly pre-load it.
But if piracy's your thing, shouldn't you be using Windows instead?
The article mentioned that mp3 is the second most
entered word in search engines. What is the first?
Well, not entirely. It's great to have free software (in the GNU sense), but at least for now, it doesn't make much sense to shun non-free software as a matter of principle. Quake 2 is pretty cool, but it certainly isn't free software. What's next? An Open-Source Food movement that boycotts restaurants that don't supply recipes? Should I be upset with Honda because my Prelude didn't come with enough documentation to allow me to build a duplicate?
Seriously, doesn't it strike you as arbitrary to set up "freedom" as an absolute requirement for BeOS when virtually nothing in life other than GNU/Linux even comes close to GPL-type freedom? I may be a cynic, but I think that the motivation behind many OSS supporters has a lot more to do with "free beer" (or at least very cheap beer) than "free speech".
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Bumblebees.
Does anyone know if there are plans to improve the Linux scheduler for future kernel versions ? :-)
Plus linux has the big problem that when a disk sync()s a large buffer in the write cache, there sometime the kernel block alls processes for over 100ms. This is unacceptable for realtime-multimedia stuff.
Kernel developers: we want Linux take over the world, we want to takeover the multimedia sector too. So please put the realtime audio issue in your TODO list. I'm sorry Billy , but even multimedia wants Linux...
When the circus comes to town, do they unpack a projector and project a picture of an elephant on the wall?
Would it be as impressive for david copperfield to make a model of the statue of liberty disappear?
nope!
So what if you have to lug some boxes of records around.
Last time i checked, musicians weren't in it because it was easy, but because they wanted to express theirselves and share something with the masses.
if it means they have to lug some boxes around so what?
At least thats what it shouldn't be in its current state.
Digital stuff has that lag or momentary hesitation before starting. Vinyls don't.
Scratching is turntablism. Turntablism will always be for vinyl and turntables.
The things that make DJ's keep using turntables are the 'feel' of turntables and stuff that you can do with them. Scratching, backspinning, directly speeding/slowing records, etc..
CD mixers have a lag and also don't exactly have the same 'feel' of turntables.
But if you want to simply mix stuff, you aren't strickly limited to vinyl. People aren't going to notice a CD tossed in the mix every now and then..
Besides, I'd rather carry a bag of CD's full of MP3's than haul 20 lbs of vinyl everywhere...
This guy is a damn genius. I wish he'd come out with a new album.
Just noticed this.. Check out this link:
http://www.endtroducing.com/djs_news.html
Boy, you're a quick believer :) What if something like this comes out for Linux (wait and watch)??
There are tons of apps that do even neater stuff, for Windows and MacOS, etc. etc..
I did, you encode a triangle wave form tto a record , play it on a record player, sample it in real time to the computer and you then decide at what speed/direction to play the sound from ram. ie 120% or -34% etc.. ie, a real time variable changine in splitseconds..
I started to do this, by giving CDDa2WAV the ability to play normal CDs at different speeds, you will see that has teh ability now i think, i did email it to the authors.
I tried to do realtime speed changes using the mouse , but got 1/2 way there because of problems communicating betweek two forks. But the theory is there, forget BEOS, we can do this GPL on linux.
Thats my contrib... no idea is original, if you think about something, theres bound to be someone else who has too, be it in the toilet while taking a crap in a dungeon in moscow, or whereever, no ideas are UNIQUE!
-Raul
Did you also think of a way to get the record position from the record, not just the speed?
These guys did.
> That my friends, is another reason to switch to the power that is: BeOS.
Only to get fucked in the butt again? Sure, go ahead. I have had enough of proprietary Operating Systems.
> Hopefully Bochs is speed up, or Bewine is created.
Try VMWare, http://www.vmware.com, runs all your Windows apps at near full speed.
Hi Guys, I wrote terminatorX and I like to add some comments to what I read above....
;)) If you attach your mouse to somekind of pseudo-turntable you can get "fulll vinyl feeling" even with terminatorX. A friend of mine had the even cooler Idea to buy an extra mouse, open that, and connect its x-axis directly to a real turntable's axis. If I have enough money and time I will check that out ... that should be close to "perfect" (well the hardware at least ;))
o BeOS: I think that BeOS-Arrogance I read above is really sad, reminds me of 'em old Mac vs. PC days. From what I've read it's a really cool OS, but as commercial OS that costs quite some money I don't expect it to be around for long... although I'd like to be proved wrong.
o "Vinylness" of use: (I will not start discussions about the SOUND of vinyl
One more thing on vinyl: Its expensive! And digitial audio data is is much more flexible....
o MP3 mania: In my oppinion mp3 should not be used to create NEW music (quality aspects). And that's what I do with terminatorX. That`s why there`s no mp3-support in terminatorX now. But that might change after some mergeing with Andy`s alsaplayer . Also, YOU can come along and help. terminatorX will be in CVS soon....
All for now, bye, Alex
get real
using turntables is what it's all about
a mouse is a very awkwart thing compared to the real thing.
and as far as FinalScratch is concerned i've been a fan of it since i first saw it (witch is 1.5 years ago). it was buggy irriliable and sounded like hell.
But things have come a long way since and lately i have tested it again and found it robust and sounding real good.
Once U've tried it you'll know.
Marcel
Man, now incredibly useful...
;) i've got friends who are producing tracks and stuff and i'll eventually slide into producing too. The biggest problem with that is getting a dubplate cut. Man, with this...you can cue up the track on mp3 and everything and put your un-cut tracks on demo tapes and stuff...omg....
As a dj (happy hardcore
Also, imagine the possibilities for scratch samples. . .
*guh*
I might just get BeOS after all.
The only other thing i'd need would be a RealEncoder thingy for BeOS to do live broadcasts like with Win95 (eww).
cheers,
dj.nofrills
Is there anything Like this for Linux or is there a possiblity for a port. We need stuff like this in Linux. There aren't many good Wav editors at all or many good sound editors (wav or midi) I hope we get some soon cause I can't stand winblows and I can't get SoundForge to work in Wine. But SLab is looking great!
Natas
http://www.mp3.com/pedophagia
The idea is to make it sound as if the MP3 was stamped into the record, which lets you do the same kinds of record tricks that DJs did when records were common.
Ummm, when did records become uncommon for DJs? Maybe CDs work for Top 40 but you can't get most good techno/house tracks on CD, and besides who'd want to use a CD mixer anyways? Most of the interesting DJ "tricks" and mixing can, IMHO, be performed much better using a couple of 1200s and a decent mixer than with CD players and mixers.
The ever-fabulous M. Nelisson is currently developing a CDDA filesystem driver for the BeOS that will allow you to do similarly crazy things with the CD in your CD-ROM drive. Play multiple CA tracks at one time from the same CD in the same drive, play them backwards (400% pitch control) in Soundplay, mix two or more CD tracks together, not to mention drag&drop to extract DA right from the filesystem. Currently it's in its third beta I think, and even on my old-ass 2x results were OK.
I admit I didn't believe it when Be went with thise whole "Media OS" schtick, but now... I'll be surprised if they don't own all of the audio market in short order.
They can just mod down. Rob and I are the only ones who can delete things, and I know we haven't been *sigh*. mySQL pisses me off some days.
Yeah, I'm that guy.
Why use real's technology when you can scream cast? You can already do that with be afik. And if you can't - it would be soo easy to write the app to do it.
Junglism. biatch. ;)
Read Heinlein's 1953 Revolt in 2100, now more than ever.
Well, I can scratch pretty well. I've heard others that are absolutely incredible though. Quick response time is critical. I hope this program/hardware can keep up.
For now, I'll stick to vinyl (thousands of pieces of which are scattered about my room...)
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I'd buy it. Where do I send the cash?
Posted by Soco:
Like all things, it'll go digital to an extent. It'll slowly replace older stuff for most people, being techinically superior. It happens everywhere constantly. I've heard lots of sound tracks produced through high end midi synths that sound exactly like a real symphony. Scratching is one of the easiest sounds to produce and imitate. Much easier than say a group of trumpets (which in most midi patches sounds like shit). Algorithms for beat detection and rapidly improving. So if the product grows this far (if it doesn't one will take its place) it'll probably eventually do that. And since most jungle and dance music (or 'electronica' in general) usually have clear beats often designated by bass drums of some type. It only makes it easier and more realistic for a computer to do the beat matching for you. So next time DJ Shadow is doing a live performance and is in a pissy mood, he can let the computer take over. Much like Madonna lip syncs to songs very often when on tour. Except she does it because of the dancing.
Who would pass up the oppurtunity to have a computer correct your mistakes in music? Most musicians don't, I don't think djs are an exception. Its very possible for the software to do that. When you get off beat and you start looking like ass, it'll could correct you.
This product, because of BeOS, the new media kit, and translators, will also work on other formats than mp3s.
Maybe not in the first release, but probably shortly thereafter.
-soco
Posted by Soco:
Yup, as even noted by AltOS, the BeOS has an exceptional amount free software, and as the few kinks are worked out in the posix stuff, more and more gnu stuff is compiling right outta the box.
Posted by Soco:
Well music isn't quite like a circus or illusions. You listen to it, not watch it. So long as it sounds good, does it really matter? Lip Syncing and to an extent beyong that faking the playing of musical instruments is quite common. Who said that portishead or dj shadow never tried that once because the just didn't feel like it.
Its much easier to carry around a cd or disk, than it is to carry around a live orchestra. Live music still has no real comparison. Not even the CD. My point is that all things are replaced. It'll happen with this to. No one says that eventuallly this won't be harder to play in the future, thus granting more technical merit (atleast from me). Musicians shouldn't be in it to 'look' good, if they are, they aren't true musicians.
Its all about the actual music/sound being produced.
If you don't want to put up all the cash for BeOS and this new product, check out terminatorX. All you need is a linux box, X11, a mouse, and a couple of wave files. It's great fun scratching up a bunch of Hitchhiker's Guide clips to a breakbeat :)
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Ok, here's my idea for an MP3 extension, that I don't think anyone's gotten around to coding yet. There's one semi-related plugin for winamp, but it's not quite there.
First, maintain some timing information about all of your MP3s: beats per minute, and a 'reference beat' offset time that indicates a time offset from the start of the track that the first 'beat' occurs. Now, the beat through a track is not constant, so for beatmixing purposes we'll probably need two 'reference beats', one near the start and one near the end. No need to perform realtime waveform analysis to try to figure out the beat, we can precalculate it or set it manually once.
Next, plug all that info into a database. Point your MP3 player at the database.
Now, as we approach the end of a given track, we start playing another MP3 with a 'compatible' bpm (we can set some sort of difference threshhold), matching the reference beats. Then, just crossfade from one track to the next. We can 'crossfade' the playback speed of the two tracks to compensate for any discrepancy in the bpm, as well.
Viola! Perfect, automated beatmixing.
Of course, there's lots of opportunity to add manual control, the crossfade and track selection to start with. No need to make the DJs feel like they're out of a job.
Omygod, somebody made a commercial applictaion, and it does not run on Linux. The world is coming to an end! Run to the hills! Linux is the one and only OS that should be allowed on this planet! This attitude is getting on my nervers, it's really damaging for Linux. Get a life, grow up, relax, and take a walk in the woods. I sincerily hope that I can choose between more than one operating system after 10 years....
Sheesh!
J.
We can't let Microsoft have all the fun, can we?
J.
J.
I would have killed to have had the CPU power I have available now available when I was a DJ... No more carting 300 CDs around... just encode at 160kbps, make sure that the soundcard can't pass past 40kHz and rock on...
Most of the stuff I did was rock/dance/trance/techno so the MP3 loss of fidelity or choppiness of soft soft music wouldn't have been noticed...
But it's entirely in software, and at the moment only handles 16-bit .WAV files. However, it's extremely, gut-wrenchingly cool, runs on Linux, and is GPL'd. You load a .wav file (and, optionally, another .wav to act as a loop) and scratcha-scratcha-scratcha with your mouse. Check it out here. . I've got (so far) the only user scratch on the "send Your Scratches In" page.
This seems like a kind of ack-basswards way of going about it, doesn't it? Mind you, I think that it's great that they're transforming the turntable into a real-time digital audio controller, but wouldn't it make more sense just to be able to burn your mp3s onto vinyl? Anyone know how much a used record press goes for these days? Or how hard it is to use?
Causation can cause correlation
Playing multiple tracks at a time is a pretty cool hack though. I can't think of a single good use for it, except to show that it can be done (and isn't that reason enough?)
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Jake
Shadow is at least semi skilled in the art of turntablism and probably doesn't need to scratch his mp3's as im sure he has an impressive collection of actual records.. This stuff is aimed towards mp3 kiddies who are too stupid/cheap to buy records for themselves or get plates pressed of their own music :P
I dont recall saying that he endorsed it.
What i was commenting about is the fact that everyone thinks that this is some ground breaking thing when in the eyes of real dj's its along the lines of CD DJ's.
Sure it may take skill that is similar to spinning real records, but is it the same thing?
No.
Does it produce the same sound and feel that real records do?
No.
Its some toy for slashdot reading technogeeks to jizz their pants over.
So calx instead of slamming on me for a post try replying to the content of my post.
P.S. Calx is a dodo head.
btw calx, soco's my ex roomate :)
If i weren't here to bitch, you wouldnt be able to complain about my bitching.
So ha
I'm working on an ALL software solution.
:)
alsaplayer.It's not quite ready yet. Mixed with terminatorX it should do the same. The Vinyl interface is cool though (hi Markjan!
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With the proper permissions (root) you can force a higher scheduling priority by calling sched_setscheduler() with the appropiate values. You can even achieve 1ms reschedules on a standard kernel!! If you check out "real-time" audio applications on Linux you'll see these programs do just that.
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The last I checked, the most commonly entered word in search engines is still "sex". You were expecting something else? :)
It looks like all of my posts under the debian and job discussions have been deleted (at least, I dont see them). My threshold is at -1 so I should see them. What is the deal, has a moderator deleted all of my posts?
-Eric
I should have shut up and waited an hour or so to see if the problem went away, which it did. Sorry for being such a high-strung dope.
-Eric
If I'm producing, digital is good.
;)
If I'm spinning, digital is bad.
Besides, I really don't want to carry my computer to every show. Things go wrong with computers, especially in a dark, sweaty, smokey environment such as a party or whatever. When was the last time you've seen a Technics 1200 have memory problems or a hard drive crash?
For making tapes, I just run the output from my mixer into my computer and record it with some nice multi-tracking software. That way, I can layer to my hearts content and when I'm happy, burn to a CD or record to a DAT.
In my opinion, scratching is supposed to be gritty noisy and analogue, not something digital. But then again, that's just me getting whimsical.
cheers,
JayPee
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ps,
Gabber bizatch!
Yeah, uh, so the homies with strange trousers and baseball caps have a more flexible way of scratchin..
Don' dis ma home bo'
I'm out of my tree just now but please feel free to leave a banana.
Quote from Wired article:
"There is a delay between when the DJ scratches
the record and when the sound happens, said
Bastian: 'About 12 milliseconds.'"
When does he start getting semi-skilled?
Ah well there is always someone to bitch about everything.
Actually, A lot of apps for BeOS are Open Source. you'd be suprised. I run it as my primary OS, actually, although thats mostly because Linux wont recognize my Modem. most of the Apps i run on BeOS are Open. I'd suggest looking ito it, its a really nice system.
--Dave
Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology
well, sorda.. I also happen to really really like BeOS. I use 5-6 os's regularly. at work i have a win95 box and a HP-UX box (front and back end to our system) with some systems at work runing Dos 6.2. my personal machine runs BeOS primarly, with Linux and Win98Lite (yes, it works) I would use Linux a hell of a lot more, if i could get any internet connection with it. I am gonna move soon, and have a cable modem, but until then, i have BeOS.
Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology
I even got as far as desiging a standalone mp3 dJ console - a box the size of a large CD player with controls on tops and 2 CD trays out front. With a hard disk inside storing all teh DJ's favourite requests (I know I like playing my latest white label, but the audience always asks for old favourites) and an ability to play audio CD's or mp3 tracks off the CD's or disk.
Pop mixer controls on teh top and scratch disc's on tops to give control of the CD's et. voilla a perfect DJ box... leave the record box behind...
I'm currenty trying to get an interface which does the same with the mouse on a screen.... for liveIce mp3 broadcasts.
...Slim Taco!
I don't really give a damn whether or not "Shadow" endorses this. What really irritates me is dipshit talk like: "This stuff is aimed towards mp3 kiddies who are too stupid/cheap to buy records for themselves" Generalizations like that earn you no bozo buttons, KrON. After all, wouldn't the same level of skill be involved whether one is scratching records or mp3s?
/. should look to KrON as a credible source of musical opinion and avoid becoming a "mp3 kiddie", and continue exploring the age defying art of turntable technique.
I believe everyone on
If you walked around in Gary, Indiana at 3am.
You actually chose an OS based on your modem?
Ahh, skipped that word. An important one too.
/calx needs sleep.
>I dont recall saying that he endorsed it.
Okay, sorry about assuming that, but it sounded as if you were trying to speak for dj shadow.
> Does it produce the same sound and feel that
> real records do?
I think I'll agree with you there.
> So calx instead of slamming on me for a post try
> replying to the content of my post.
I did reply to your post. I personally take offense to you coming down on people who find this interesting. That's great that you have your speculations and assumptions, but you could express them without saying "mp3 kiddies who are too stupid/cheap to buy records for themselves or get plates pressed of their own music." I for one am not an mp3 kiddie who is too stupid (I am a poor college student though, but not cheap) to get his records pressed. I would actually use this though not in a live context.
I was only slamming that.
calx=dodo head
KrON=poopy head
BTW. I completely agree that no dj is going to run out and get the BeOS and start lugging their PC(or PPC) to their parties, but there are those who like to experiment in the studio. =]
ps. thank you for clarifying. Sorry about the previous fuzziness.
It's equivalent to using a synth to reproduce a full orchestra. There are some people that just find that sort of thing easier. If you want to judge someones music on how much effort it took, disregarding what it sounds like, then you'd probably love mine! =]
/me buys Soco a drink
A problem that might make a port unfeasible on Linux is scheduler latencies.
The BeOS scheduler currently has a quantum of 1 ms, with a maximum of 3 ms available in a timeslice (correct me if I'm wrong). So a realtime priority thread could theoretically awake within a few ms of when it needs to run. This is important if you're listening to input from a turntable
On Linux, if I have been told correctly, the scheduler quantum is 10 ms. (again, I could be wrong) Not exactly optimized for quasi-realtime.
I stand corrected then.
:)
How does this affect other applications though? Any worse than on BeOS? (since you have experience there as well
I want one! Especially since there are absolutely no good record stores where I live.
I prayed about it, and God said, "Don't do it!" But I thought, "I know better."
If I understand correctly, this lets you change the playback speed of an MP3 by turning a vinyl record. It's set up so that when the record is playing at normal speed, the MP3 is playing at normal speed. When you stop the record or move it backwards, the MP3 playing stops or moves backwards. If you "scratch" the record by moving it back and forth, MP3 playback moves back and forth in the same way. The idea is to make it sound as if the MP3 was stamped into the record, which lets you do the same kinds of record tricks that DJs did when records were common.
_If_ I understand correctly
That my friends, is another reason to switch to the power that is: BeOS.
I don't use BeOS all the time, because I cashed in for a SBlive.. and there is no Sound Drivers yet.. 3 week of april.. and i'm in beos all the time.
Hopefully Bochs is speed up, or Bewine is created.
RAruler
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Be has lots of free software that runs on it. Check out http://www.be.com/beware. As usual another Linux bigot can only believe in the one true GPL way. I wish people were more interested in the quality of the software rather than the price. Quality and usefulness should dictate software decisions not money.
UNKLE please!
So is this MP3-DJ-Box running Linux or what?
I'm planning to maybe do a little mp3-proggy (using the xaudio-sdk) and
building a denon 2500f-like DJ-MP3-Player.
Do any of you know of a pogram which already does that (without using a fancy interface)?
The Porblem is: I'd like to use a little LC-Display or something, and not carry a whole monitor around for dj-ing.
Any answer appreciated
Ciao
Leo
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Religon is an insult to human dignity.
(can't resist..)
free as in free speech. not free beer.
If I go get BeOS, say I buy it (like I bought RedHat and Debian GNU/Linux), and I like it, can I give a copy to my friend who might also like it? If not, I'm not interested.
Welp, I was only "shunning" it because it does not meet my needs -- from my post I thought it was clear that I need the freedom available with GNU/Linux or FreeBSD systems, for the simple reason that I don't want to pirate software. I don't like violating software contracts and breaking the law, so I've stopped doing so (no more bootlegged win95 installs on my friends' computers).
In order for an operating system to be really useful for me, I've got to be able to give out copies of it -- it has to do with the way that I use computers: I only use other people's computers. Most frequent are computers at my work, clients' computers, and my friends computers (many of which I assembled).
I typically have some level control over the software that is installed on all these systems, and don't want to cause the owner to have to pay for software. Because if it belongs to my work, I'd rather get a raise 'cause I provide less expensive solutions. If it belongs to a client, I'd rather they pay me to set up a free system than blow their wad on software. And if it belongs to my friends, most of whom are not rolling in dough, I just want to save them some money. And I want to do it legally. So I can only in good conscience use freely distributable software. (and not all of this software is GPL "free" or even DFSWG "free")
Okay, I checked out the page, FAQ, and everything, and I still can't figure out just what exactly this thing does. So could someone please explain it in small, single syllable words?
Hey can't you already live broadcast with some other apps. Look into it I remember that you could with something...sorry pretty ambigous.
your pal,
johnnycal
yah, I brake it all.....
I think he said he chose his *primary* OS based on his modem. As in, he has others that he also uses, but not as much.
Who said this was all you can do with the BeOS? I really don't understand some of these (seemingly) knee-jerk reactions to Be. If the software doesn't work for you, fine. If its missing drivers for your computer, fine. But why the snide remarks about the OS?
Please don't ... The thought is enough to MAKE dj shadow release to BRIBE you not to GREG
--- ask me about nihilism, I will have nothing to tell you.
Okey okey, it was cool but consider the fact that it is commersial and its for BeOS. I relly can't imagine mysealf running that OS, its OK but its not free nor any software that runs on it.
I hope that someone will make a clone for linux, and since we already have terminatorX we already have a ground to build on...
De lyckliga slavarna är frihetens bittraste fiender, legalisera!!!
Somebody made one of the coolest audio appz, it's non free and made for a non free OS. If you like to get robbed and feel stupid for supporting a non free company I recommend you to do so. The only difference in our attitudes is you want to rule other peoples lifes while I care about myself instead of trying to fuck with others
;)
What attitude should linux have, shoud it maybe just go kill itself and leve you to BE ?, is it so dangerous to wish we get cool apps cloned to linux?, its the way it works
GNU ain't commercial and GNU is lots more than LINUX. the only thing thats damaging to the community is looser who can't accept GNU but run it for some other strange reason.
as linux said -- World domination --
lets hope we wont have to run crappy oses within 10 years.
De lyckliga slavarna är frihetens bittraste fiender, legalisera!!!
Wondering if Richard D. James, Thomas Jenkinson, Luke Vibert or other godlike beings are reading /.
Does anyone have any info about what OS's they use? Atari, MacOS?
I've heard RDJ uses a PowerMac. Thomas Jenkinson ought to have quite poor equipment, while Luke started out with just a synth.
What kind of music do other slashdotters listen to?
http://www.hyperreal.org/ hosted at apache.org
Er, you don't seem to be getting it.
Have you ever tried to carry boxes and boxes of records around? It sucks.
Having the same physical interface, and only having to lug two or three boxes around is what it's all about.
It *IS* fast enough. The first version of this software was beta tested on a 2000 people party last year by an experienced DJ. (it now is a lot better than that version) :-)
No one in the audience heard the difference. The only noticable difference was that the DJ entered the building carrying only 2 vinyl records instead of his usual 4 heavy boxes
-- Nothing is as subjective as reality --