I bet that you and saforrest both have got a french background (like me), otherwhise I cannot understand the lack of culture around here.
The slashdot crowd runs Windows most of the time..
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You wish! I see you have your own website. Enable user-agent and web-site referral logging on your Apache (you're running Apache on Linux according to netcraft), and see the stunning truth. Won't be many Linux machines, even Macs seem to outnumber them (you should see at least one Mac, since I just visited your site).
The only thing that will compell them to change if the user wants it. If the user whines "but I want windows (because I know that)", the best you can hope is that you can "sell" him an upgrade of Windows (he "knows" windows, after all).
I have seen it numerous times: I tried to make people switch from PC to Apple (people with money, so don't start again about "apple is expensive"), but the only reply I get is that "it won't run what I use" or "nobody uses Apple" or "the standard is Windows, I need Windows". Even if I tell them, heck *show* them that all they ask for my iBook can do, they won't listen. I'm not kidding you, those people only wanted surfing, wordprocessing, email and chat. If we cannot convert these users, we won't ever convert any casual user to Linux either!
It's just a sad truth.
Did you read his post? This is all the stuff we Geeks do, and I do all what you say on over 5 computers because I want security for my family. However, running AdAware, updating your AV, setting up a firewall is considered "Adminning Your Machine". All this work is unacceptable for the "gray-haired-mom-learning-windows-XP", I know, I have one too...she barely knows how to use Eudora.
And the whole point of the discussion is anyway that Microsoft cannot be trusted and that it's Auto-Update feature is opening the door to them wide open. What will happen to your machine, the day that Microsoft ships a faulty patch which makes your NTFS partition disappear, or just decide to patch all machines into unfunctionalty because Windows XQ will be shipping next week. Noone guarantees you that.
On my machines, I still run W2K-SP2 with a few hotpacthes, and I don't plan in upgrading anytime soon.
Sounds reasonable as testing grounds. But I've got heard of sex in pools (never did that myself, but willing to try *grin*) and that seems to work fairly well. Of course it is mostly along the side of the pool, so perhaps gripping well to the walls of the space station would work. We are not dolphins, we have hands;-)
Let London be more high-tech, but I don't think most people buy a PDA every two years. I for one buy my stuff to last 2-5 years. Same with cellphones, mine is now 2 years old and no hair on my balding head thinks of changing it.
As for surfing the web, I do that on my Psion. Granted not on GPRS (because my cell doesn't support it), nor over BlueTooth (neither cell nor Psion support it). About MP3's, now that is a nice thought. How many space have you got on your Clie? 128Meg RAM? Now that's impressive for a MP3 player. Perhaps you can insert the 1G IBM PCMCIA harddisk but say goodbye to your battery life.
Games? Oh, come on... How many times do you play games on your PDA? Even if I could (I suspect there are games for the Psion), I won't. It doesn't appeal to me.
Digital photography on a cell/PDA, while it sounds nice at first glance and is pushed by the phonecompanies, won't be much than a hickup. Quality of the photo's? Sub-par webcam quality, I bet! I'm pretty sure people will buy these phones, use the feature often in the beginning and when the novenlty wears of, go back to SMS and calling. I might be wrong, I'm not a visionary.
High-res colour screen? What exactly does colour bring you more on a PDA? Yeah, looks funky. My Psion has a resolution of 480x160, which I wouldn't call Low-res on a PDA. Yeah, it won't play a DVD or a DivX but I bet your PDA doesn't either.
About Germany, I have worked for a German bank before, and many there there come straight from germany. Most prevalent PDA? Palm. Sorry, to burst your bubble. One did even swear on his Apple Newton, hardly "the newest".
And about my personal computers: I don't buy a new computer every year. None of my computers exceed 800Mhz and one of my main desktop computers is a Pentium Pro 200. Now exactly top-of-the-line. Yet, it does all I need. Strange, eh? (And that includes playing Counter-Strike!)
Perhaps having a PDA is a fashion statement in London, I hope so for you, because I don't see how you can mandate to shell out 500pounds a year to stay top-of-the-line. Some people *use* their stuff, and don't use it to look cool.
Most of all there is a ideological point: I like buying European and don't like Microsoft. So WinCE is *out of the question*. Yeah, Pocket-PC, I forgot...it's not because it changed it's name that it isn't a less crappy product.
You sir, are a Troll, and I know...I used to be one!
I live in Luxembourg and work in the IT sector. So that's where I have been! A lot of Palms, but I've really never seen someone actually use a iPaq or Jordana. Psions are outnumbered, but there are still some.
And you won't tell me that these WinCE devices have good battery time. I charge my Psion once a week, and that is even overkill. So they have become unfashionable? Great, see if I care. The problem with WinCE devices is just that they are all about being flashy and less than usefull. I'm sorry, but that is exactly the problem with Modern PDA's. I really don't need a Quake clone that runs on my PDA.
It's a sad thing that the People in the UK give up their superior technology to crappy products from the US.
This guy is sick, for sure. How did he get that way?
I think it would be funny if he was a computer scientist of so gone mad after the dot-com bubble-burst. That would speak for the mental state of all of us around here. Heck, I'd even go out and shoot some people, I just don't have a sniper rifle handy.
Makes sense to me, physically seen.... but how do you *know*? Any hard (pun intended) evidence how sex in space would work? Or have you just the theoretical backing?
Up until now (13:20CEST), there still isn't any moderator that got it... Don't you guys read classics? Antoine de Staint Exupery must be turning in his grave (well, if he had one...)
I live in Europe, and you are not completely wrong, but a bit misinformed. Most PDA's here clearly are Palms, but Symbian devices(mostly Psion's) come in second. Pocket PC's (thus WinCE) are rarely seen here, actually, I've only seen them in the shops. I have seen exactly *one* MS based phone (on a Sony cellphone, I think) Yes, I know, just anecdotial evidence.
About the merits of the system itself: the Symbian OS really *is* good, much more flexible than the Palm versions (and the multitasking is real, unlike the Palm which only does task-switching). Want a nice extra application like a PDF viewer? Most likely it exists, and it is probably even OpenSource.
The only reason that Palm's are so popular is because it fits "the needs of most people". Not mine, I want more sophistication and hence I got myself a Psion Revo+. WinCE devices? Have yet to seen one in use by someone.
I have to agree.... Only women that are already "owned" by someone seem to be worth it, no free offerings seem to cut the polished look of "proprietary women". I actually think that all women should be GPL, and released by GNU so that all geeks can profit equally from them. I propose GNU/Women. Of course, you are still able to sell them (or even rent), but you have to give away the source.
You are a bit off on this one, because I'm pretty sure that PC's of that aera didn't have fans, either. Heck even many 486 ran without fans. It is very improbable that it was the heat that killed your Macs, probably something else.
And may I know why you left the Apple IIc on while leaving for vacation (and turning the AC of), I don't get it. It doesn't sounds logical to me.
So did mine, but it doesn't download ads anymore, and it doesn't seem to export information to the outside. I think ad-aware stumbles upon the code that contains the spyware, but I think it is genuinly desactivated.
Question: does running Ad-Aware on the unregistred version affect the functionality? I never tried...
Sure...only, they tell you so during installation and aren't sleazing it in. Besides, I paid for Eudora, which eliminates the Spyware. It really is that easy.
Well, you might be right.. This only works on big systems where you *can* distribute different privileges over different persons This won't work for the single IT guy that has to manage the network of a small bussiness.
Also consider this: who decides whom should get granted what rights? Well, that person is automatically superuser, because he simply can give himself all the rights without telling anybody. The problem with a System Administrator is simply that it should be a "person of trust", if you don't trust him, you should get rid of him. It's that simple.
I can only say: I like being a tyrant on my systems. But I'm a fair and good tyrant for I respect my users and don't go and meddle with their data.
You can have my root account if you pry if from my cold dead hands.
I'm not talking about the slashdot crowd that can build their machines themselves. You indeed have choice, that is a big difference. I don't know where I can buy a PPC motherboard (I did some googling, but nothing to be found), but I bet that would be quite popular in the slashdot crowd too. (In the sense of finally getting rid of a overheating loud machine)
Anyway, even if there were PPC motherboards, I bet that OS X wouldn't run on them. Apple has got to protect their advantage over the competition. And that advantage is -like it or not- OS X. I bought an iBook just to learn OS X. In a sense I bought software very expensive and got the hardware for free.;-)
Anyways, you can get IBM workstations based on the PowerPC4. Now, I don't *want* to know their price, but I bet that Apple would look like a cheap-ass machine in comparision.
I'm getting tired of all this... *sigh* Next time I'll think twice in defending Apple's pricing.
The reason is that Apple competes with hardware manufacturers like Dell and Compaq. I know you can build yourself something extremely decent for 1600Euro, yet, you're a geek, I'm a geek... Normal users aren't. They won't buy components and stick them together. At best they will go to a Mom & Pop computer retailer and get one there, with exactly the same shoddy components you will find at Dell, for less granted. This coupled with extremely bad default installtions make the computer experience very very bad. And this is the same at big OEM's and Mom & Pop shops.
I didn't accuse you specifically of flaming. Read the rest of the answers to my posts. I picked one, sorry it was you.
My trial price was a 2500Euro iBook, 11 month ago. I never regretted it. I build PC's too myself, it's easier and cheaper and you get what you want. But it's the "geek" way, not the "normal user way". I'm in no way a Mac zealot, but I want to give them the credit for the nice systems they make for a really decent price. Many people avoid Macs because they are told they are expensive or incompatible (I was one of them), if put *in the right light* it just all gets relative. Neither of both statements is really true.
By the way, while that Packard Bell is "old", I don't consider it a relic. It's a very nice 300Mhz P-II now with 384Meg RAM. I say enough for anything *that* family is going to throw at.
I don't know any user that calls tech-support, and I've talked a lot with them. Those who did, told me they weren't helped well at all. Now they call me, and get better service. Note, I live in Europe... in the US, the situation might be a bit different.
I'm sick and tired of getting flamed for trying to be reasonable. My point is: the Mac is not expensive if you compare it to their direct competitors. If you don't mind the finishing of your x86 machine you can save a lot of bucks (You know "finishing" is why a Audi is more expensive than a VW)
Mind you the system you specced is not expensive, but I just went to Dell, took the cheapest machine and specced it up to the Mac specs. That's all I did. You went two or three models up, I just assumed taking the cheapest Dell and speccing it up would be the cheapest option. I was wrong... For the rest I am well aware that a G4 is less powerfull than any AMD/Intel around now.
Everyone around here is pointing out that Mom&Pop shops or self-built machines will cost less. Yup, I knew that all along. Everybody here seems to say: people buy there and not in big OEM's. Wait a second! Is that true? Well, I support several families when they have trouble with computers. Let's enumerate: two Fujitsu-Siemens, one Compaq, one Packard-Bell, and exactly one "noname-white-thingy" (which is more flaky than all the other ones). All the owners of these machines are normal users, nothing fancy. Beige boxes? I've only seen them at Geek's places. Of, and Mac users never call me for support: how does *that* come???
And now I stop this whole fucking flamewar (it was not intended as one, in the first place), and let you live further in your misconception that Macs are expensive for what they are.
Add a few hundred to up that 256Meg tot 1024Meg and we're back on par. And please, don't use no-name computers. Compare to Dell, Compaq et al. I never heard of "Avantech". And I said not "to build them yourself", this automatically excludes all non-OEM machines.
I explicitly mentioned that in my posts. The pricing is equivalent and you even get a better OS (XP Home vs. OS X is, "my fisher price CD player", versus the iPod), and a better Office suite for the Mac (Appleworks is decent, really!)
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I bet that you and saforrest both have got a french background (like me), otherwhise I cannot understand the lack of culture around here.You wish! I see you have your own website. Enable user-agent and web-site referral logging on your Apache (you're running Apache on Linux according to netcraft), and see the stunning truth. Won't be many Linux machines, even Macs seem to outnumber them (you should see at least one Mac, since I just visited your site).
Every 6 months? You are crazy or filthy rich.
I have seen it numerous times: I tried to make people switch from PC to Apple (people with money, so don't start again about "apple is expensive"), but the only reply I get is that "it won't run what I use" or "nobody uses Apple" or "the standard is Windows, I need Windows". Even if I tell them, heck *show* them that all they ask for my iBook can do, they won't listen. I'm not kidding you, those people only wanted surfing, wordprocessing, email and chat. If we cannot convert these users, we won't ever convert any casual user to Linux either!
It's just a sad truth.
Did you read his post? This is all the stuff we Geeks do, and I do all what you say on over 5 computers because I want security for my family. However, running AdAware, updating your AV, setting up a firewall is considered "Adminning Your Machine". All this work is unacceptable for the "gray-haired-mom-learning-windows-XP", I know, I have one too...she barely knows how to use Eudora.
And the whole point of the discussion is anyway that Microsoft cannot be trusted and that it's Auto-Update feature is opening the door to them wide open. What will happen to your machine, the day that Microsoft ships a faulty patch which makes your NTFS partition disappear, or just decide to patch all machines into unfunctionalty because Windows XQ will be shipping next week. Noone guarantees you that.
On my machines, I still run W2K-SP2 with a few hotpacthes, and I don't plan in upgrading anytime soon.
Sounds reasonable as testing grounds. But I've got heard of sex in pools (never did that myself, but willing to try *grin*) and that seems to work fairly well. Of course it is mostly along the side of the pool, so perhaps gripping well to the walls of the space station would work. We are not dolphins, we have hands ;-)
As for surfing the web, I do that on my Psion. Granted not on GPRS (because my cell doesn't support it), nor over BlueTooth (neither cell nor Psion support it). About MP3's, now that is a nice thought. How many space have you got on your Clie? 128Meg RAM? Now that's impressive for a MP3 player. Perhaps you can insert the 1G IBM PCMCIA harddisk but say goodbye to your battery life.
Games? Oh, come on... How many times do you play games on your PDA? Even if I could (I suspect there are games for the Psion), I won't. It doesn't appeal to me.
Digital photography on a cell/PDA, while it sounds nice at first glance and is pushed by the phonecompanies, won't be much than a hickup. Quality of the photo's? Sub-par webcam quality, I bet! I'm pretty sure people will buy these phones, use the feature often in the beginning and when the novenlty wears of, go back to SMS and calling. I might be wrong, I'm not a visionary.
High-res colour screen? What exactly does colour bring you more on a PDA? Yeah, looks funky. My Psion has a resolution of 480x160, which I wouldn't call Low-res on a PDA. Yeah, it won't play a DVD or a DivX but I bet your PDA doesn't either.
About Germany, I have worked for a German bank before, and many there there come straight from germany. Most prevalent PDA? Palm. Sorry, to burst your bubble. One did even swear on his Apple Newton, hardly "the newest".
And about my personal computers: I don't buy a new computer every year. None of my computers exceed 800Mhz and one of my main desktop computers is a Pentium Pro 200. Now exactly top-of-the-line. Yet, it does all I need. Strange, eh? (And that includes playing Counter-Strike!)
Perhaps having a PDA is a fashion statement in London, I hope so for you, because I don't see how you can mandate to shell out 500pounds a year to stay top-of-the-line. Some people *use* their stuff, and don't use it to look cool.
Most of all there is a ideological point: I like buying European and don't like Microsoft. So WinCE is *out of the question*. Yeah, Pocket-PC, I forgot...it's not because it changed it's name that it isn't a less crappy product.
You sir, are a Troll, and I know...I used to be one!
And you won't tell me that these WinCE devices have good battery time. I charge my Psion once a week, and that is even overkill. So they have become unfashionable? Great, see if I care. The problem with WinCE devices is just that they are all about being flashy and less than usefull. I'm sorry, but that is exactly the problem with Modern PDA's. I really don't need a Quake clone that runs on my PDA.
It's a sad thing that the People in the UK give up their superior technology to crappy products from the US.
I think it would be funny if he was a computer scientist of so gone mad after the dot-com bubble-burst. That would speak for the mental state of all of us around here. Heck, I'd even go out and shoot some people, I just don't have a sniper rifle handy.
Makes sense to me, physically seen.... but how do you *know*? Any hard (pun intended) evidence how sex in space would work? Or have you just the theoretical backing?
Up until now (13:20CEST), there still isn't any moderator that got it...
Don't you guys read classics? Antoine de Staint Exupery must be turning in his grave (well, if he had one...)
And she is damn HOT, I tell ya!
Yes, I know, just anecdotial evidence.
About the merits of the system itself: the Symbian OS really *is* good, much more flexible than the Palm versions (and the multitasking is real, unlike the Palm which only does task-switching). Want a nice extra application like a PDF viewer? Most likely it exists, and it is probably even OpenSource.
The only reason that Palm's are so popular is because it fits "the needs of most people". Not mine, I want more sophistication and hence I got myself a Psion Revo+. WinCE devices? Have yet to seen one in use by someone.
I have to agree.... Only women that are already "owned" by someone seem to be worth it, no free offerings seem to cut the polished look of "proprietary women".
I actually think that all women should be GPL, and released by GNU so that all geeks can profit equally from them. I propose GNU/Women. Of course, you are still able to sell them (or even rent), but you have to give away the source.
You are a bit off on this one, because I'm pretty sure that PC's of that aera didn't have fans, either. Heck even many 486 ran without fans. It is very improbable that it was the heat that killed your Macs, probably something else.
And may I know why you left the Apple IIc on while leaving for vacation (and turning the AC of), I don't get it. It doesn't sounds logical to me.
Try Sylpheed.... I like that one, light and efficient.
So did mine, but it doesn't download ads anymore, and it doesn't seem to export information to the outside. I think ad-aware stumbles upon the code that contains the spyware, but I think it is genuinly desactivated.
Question: does running Ad-Aware on the unregistred version affect the functionality? I never tried...
Sure...only, they tell you so during installation and aren't sleazing it in. Besides, I paid for Eudora, which eliminates the Spyware. It really is that easy.
Also consider this: who decides whom should get granted what rights? Well, that person is automatically superuser, because he simply can give himself all the rights without telling anybody. The problem with a System Administrator is simply that it should be a "person of trust", if you don't trust him, you should get rid of him. It's that simple.
I can only say: I like being a tyrant on my systems. But I'm a fair and good tyrant for I respect my users and don't go and meddle with their data.
You can have my root account if you pry if from my cold dead hands.
I'm not talking about the slashdot crowd that can build their machines themselves. You indeed have choice, that is a big difference. I don't know where I can buy a PPC motherboard (I did some googling, but nothing to be found), but I bet that would be quite popular in the slashdot crowd too. (In the sense of finally getting rid of a overheating loud machine) ;-)
Anyway, even if there were PPC motherboards, I bet that OS X wouldn't run on them. Apple has got to protect their advantage over the competition. And that advantage is -like it or not- OS X. I bought an iBook just to learn OS X. In a sense I bought software very expensive and got the hardware for free.
Anyways, you can get IBM workstations based on the PowerPC4. Now, I don't *want* to know their price, but I bet that Apple would look like a cheap-ass machine in comparision.
I'm getting tired of all this... *sigh* Next time I'll think twice in defending Apple's pricing.
The reason is that Apple competes with hardware manufacturers like Dell and Compaq. I know you can build yourself something extremely decent for 1600Euro, yet, you're a geek, I'm a geek... Normal users aren't. They won't buy components and stick them together. At best they will go to a Mom & Pop computer retailer and get one there, with exactly the same shoddy components you will find at Dell, for less granted. This coupled with extremely bad default installtions make the computer experience very very bad. And this is the same at big OEM's and Mom & Pop shops.
My trial price was a 2500Euro iBook, 11 month ago. I never regretted it. I build PC's too myself, it's easier and cheaper and you get what you want. But it's the "geek" way, not the "normal user way". I'm in no way a Mac zealot, but I want to give them the credit for the nice systems they make for a really decent price. Many people avoid Macs because they are told they are expensive or incompatible (I was one of them), if put *in the right light* it just all gets relative. Neither of both statements is really true.
By the way, while that Packard Bell is "old", I don't consider it a relic. It's a very nice 300Mhz P-II now with 384Meg RAM. I say enough for anything *that* family is going to throw at.
I don't know any user that calls tech-support, and I've talked a lot with them. Those who did, told me they weren't helped well at all. Now they call me, and get better service. Note, I live in Europe... in the US, the situation might be a bit different.
Mind you the system you specced is not expensive, but I just went to Dell, took the cheapest machine and specced it up to the Mac specs. That's all I did. You went two or three models up, I just assumed taking the cheapest Dell and speccing it up would be the cheapest option. I was wrong... For the rest I am well aware that a G4 is less powerfull than any AMD/Intel around now.
Everyone around here is pointing out that Mom&Pop shops or self-built machines will cost less. Yup, I knew that all along. Everybody here seems to say: people buy there and not in big OEM's. Wait a second! Is that true? Well, I support several families when they have trouble with computers. Let's enumerate: two Fujitsu-Siemens, one Compaq, one Packard-Bell, and exactly one "noname-white-thingy" (which is more flaky than all the other ones). All the owners of these machines are normal users, nothing fancy. Beige boxes? I've only seen them at Geek's places. Of, and Mac users never call me for support: how does *that* come???
And now I stop this whole fucking flamewar (it was not intended as one, in the first place), and let you live further in your misconception that Macs are expensive for what they are.
Add a few hundred to up that 256Meg tot 1024Meg and we're back on par. And please, don't use no-name computers. Compare to Dell, Compaq et al. I never heard of "Avantech". And I said not "to build them yourself", this automatically excludes all non-OEM machines.
I explicitly mentioned that in my posts. The pricing is equivalent and you even get a better OS (XP Home vs. OS X is, "my fisher price CD player", versus the iPod), and a better Office suite for the Mac (Appleworks is decent, really!)
Or at least something like that: I quote out of memory.