I don't think its at all unreasonable to stop a burglar from intruding into your home, and I don't think its unreasonable to stop a terrorist from killing thousands of civilians. It's not fear, its simple logic.
As far as liberties go, yes I am well aware of what Patrick Henry had to say about it, I would submit to you that in every single war the US has ever engaged in, civil liberties were curtailed far more dramatically than in our current conflict. Abraham Lincoln suspended congress and was for a short time the only 'dictator' the US ever had. FDR curtailed liberties for far, far more people than will ever be passing through Guantanamo. Compared to wiretapping of INTERNATIONAL calls? (misleading headline in this story).
I don't want the government spying on its populace. That isn't really what is happening here. We're spying on OTHER peoples populaces, and should they happen to call someone inside our borders, well so be it. And as far as checks and balances go, again I'm really not so concerned as there are far more checks today than there ever have been.
I agree that many people are probably motivated by 'fear of terrists'. I'm not.
However, that is not what is being discussed here.
But just to go off topic a bit, you are aware there are 510 people in Guantanamo, and the majority of those are from foreign countries. A little bit of googling and I cannot find any records of American civilians being held there. Maybe there are some there, if there are its a very small number.
Point being that is extremely unlikely for you to get 'shipped off to Guantanamo for having the wrong middle eastern friend'. I have a friend from Morocco and he was interviewed quite a bit after 9/11. He fits the profile of a terrorist quite well, but I'm pretty sure he's not. The FBI came to the same conclusion.
Do you really _truly_ believe that American citizens are being shipped off to Guantanamo for having the wrong middle eastern friends? If you could post some links that would be great.
We have a terrorist group, Al-Qaeda, which has repeatedly stated they want to kill lots and lots of american civilians. One day about 4 years ago, they killed 3000 in a few minutes. This proves they're not just all talk, not just an imaginary threat.
They have operatives working inside of the US. When they get phone calls from places like Morocco, Algeria, Syria, well.... I'd like for our government to know what the f they're discussing.
This is not about Domestic->Domestic calls. Those will not be tapped (according to whats being discussed here anyways). This is about international calls (though that is barely discussed in the summary, likely for partisan reasons).
meh. whether its legal or not, every administration since the telephone was invented would be guilty of this to some degree, if it should even be considered a crime. I obviously don't think it should be considering where the world is at to day, but as always, ymmv.
I accidentally found out one day that its possible for not-so-legal images to show up on a google image search. (i was searching for something unrelated which happened to be close to the name of a magazine which isn't so nice. a european publication.) I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that you could find worse stuff through GIS (images.google.com)
The thumbnails are stored at a google location.
Does that mean that Google itself is hosting illegal files?
"To grasp how much data is in the Archive, if it were printed out as a single line of text, it would stretch around the world more than 250 times. Printing it out on pages of A4 would produce a stack of paper two-and-a-half times as high as Mount Everest. "
I have twice that much data on my 128k thumbdrive, if printed out in 72 point font size.
Anyone care to translate this into volkswagens, or libraries of congress?
Every corporation half of IBM's size gets audited by the SEC, IRS, and whatever else quarterly if not monthly if not weekly if not daily.
The article linked by/. really had no substance whatsoever.
I've never heard of reed electronics (the site where the article is hosted). after looking at thier site a bit, all of their links seem to be geared more towards getting hits off keywords and links. I certainly couldn't find anything newsworthy there.
Parent said: So given that this is about natural phenomena (like Bee flight -- see previous), can we expect to see ID and anti-ID arguing about what this means? Or can we just stick to the physics and call it that?
And got rated insightful. This comment (except for the 'see previous' part) could be applied to every slashdot article ever posted in the science section and wouldn't be terribly offtopic.
Is Intelligent Design the new karma whoring goodness?
Hiya, I'm a long time windows user and I just installed my first linux (in a long time anyways), Ubuntu.
The install went well enough, the problem I am having is that for DNS entries, 192.168.0.1 always comes up when I boot up, even after deleting it from system->networking. Any idea why that is, or how to fix it? I don't think its bad DHCP cause the other windows boxes on the network don't do that.
Do you know what file the DNS entries are held in?
Thanks
p.s. mod me up, down, or sideways, my karma is so excellent it really doesn't matter.
Well I believe the reason they do that is because BBC is a UK-taxpayer funded service, so they only want UK taxpayers reaping the rewards. I heard that somewhere. fwiw.
i'm not so worried about the FBI. there is plenty of oversight, checks and balances, internal affairs, etc.
i'd be more worried about non-official organizations like blackwater or executive outcomes or similar organizations. (I'm sure I haven't even heard of the really bad ones... too secret perhaps). if one has to worry about such things. myself, i do not. there's been far worse threats to freedom and civilization than the FBI hiring a bunch of database administrators.
but these private organizations have far more power than the FBI could ever dream of, with far less oversight.
this would also allow for lots of fun viruses. I know that Sobig or Sober or whatever its called has been bouncing off my spam filter for some time now, and I read one story where a German man with kiddy pr0n turned himself in after receiving that same virus.
so im sure the system would be real usable when thousands of people simultaneously and incorrectly turn themselves in.
a bit OT, but I had an idea for a fun virus a while back. It would consist of a couple of illegal pr0n files that would be emailed, then it would email the FBI letting them know which computer now had the illegal payload. I never did write anything like that though. Nor would I, certainly not now that i have a kid and all.
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The Google Video store does NOT carry 'The OC'
I don't see much of a future for google unless they decide to carry The OC like this Warner Brothers thing does.
Sure, I'll have to watch the OC in german, but thats a small price to pay to see the best writing and acting EVAR.
No, I'm not serious.
Oh I really don't think I've succumbed to fear.
I don't think its at all unreasonable to stop a burglar from intruding into your home, and I don't think its unreasonable to stop a terrorist from killing thousands of civilians. It's not fear, its simple logic.
As far as liberties go, yes I am well aware of what Patrick Henry had to say about it, I would submit to you that in every single war the US has ever engaged in, civil liberties were curtailed far more dramatically than in our current conflict. Abraham Lincoln suspended congress and was for a short time the only 'dictator' the US ever had. FDR curtailed liberties for far, far more people than will ever be passing through Guantanamo. Compared to wiretapping of INTERNATIONAL calls? (misleading headline in this story).
I don't want the government spying on its populace. That isn't really what is happening here. We're spying on OTHER peoples populaces, and should they happen to call someone inside our borders, well so be it. And as far as checks and balances go, again I'm really not so concerned as there are far more checks today than there ever have been.
I agree that many people are probably motivated by 'fear of terrists'. I'm not.
I fully expected to get modded down for my parent post, but wow, flamebait?
Flamebait?!?!?
I thought my post was reasonably well thought out and non-offensive.
Crap, a viewpoint that isn't the same as 96% of the slashdot groupthinkers! I guess thats flamebait!!!1!
yeesh.
I imagine it would too.
However, that is not what is being discussed here.
But just to go off topic a bit, you are aware there are 510 people in Guantanamo, and the majority of those are from foreign countries. A little bit of googling and I cannot find any records of American civilians being held there. Maybe there are some there, if there are its a very small number.
Point being that is extremely unlikely for you to get 'shipped off to Guantanamo for having the wrong middle eastern friend'. I have a friend from Morocco and he was interviewed quite a bit after 9/11. He fits the profile of a terrorist quite well, but I'm pretty sure he's not. The FBI came to the same conclusion.
Do you really _truly_ believe that American citizens are being shipped off to Guantanamo for having the wrong middle eastern friends? If you could post some links that would be great.
Cheers.
I don't really understand what the big deal is.
We have a terrorist group, Al-Qaeda, which has repeatedly stated they want to kill lots and lots of american civilians. One day about 4 years ago, they killed 3000 in a few minutes. This proves they're not just all talk, not just an imaginary threat.
They have operatives working inside of the US. When they get phone calls from places like Morocco, Algeria, Syria, well.... I'd like for our government to know what the f they're discussing.
This is not about Domestic->Domestic calls. Those will not be tapped (according to whats being discussed here anyways). This is about international calls (though that is barely discussed in the summary, likely for partisan reasons).
meh. whether its legal or not, every administration since the telephone was invented would be guilty of this to some degree, if it should even be considered a crime. I obviously don't think it should be considering where the world is at to day, but as always, ymmv.
spoken like someone who has never worked with indian or chinese programmers.
/done lots of work with overseas programmers
they're not superhuman robot coders or something. they're people just like you or I.
this group is not affiliated with the government
Just asking, I dont really know... Wouldn't the DMCA only cover copywrighted material, ie music files and movie files and such?
I think the kiddy porn is a little different, criminal-wise...
I don't think they're after child pornographers or terrorists... of course I don't know, but that doesn't stop me from posting it on slashdot...
I really didn't intend to take it any further than pointing out that google is hosting it. it doesn't really bother me much one way or the other.
but just to play devils advocate
they _are_ making it easily accessible for lots of people to download the kiddy porn, storing and serving illegal images...
i'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to make a case against them if one were so inclined. theres good points on both sides of the argument, really...
I accidentally found out one day that its possible for not-so-legal images to show up on a google image search. (i was searching for something unrelated which happened to be close to the name of a magazine which isn't so nice. a european publication.) I'd bet a dollar to a doughnut that you could find worse stuff through GIS (images.google.com)
The thumbnails are stored at a google location.
Does that mean that Google itself is hosting illegal files?
I'd guess google gets more searches than aol, msn, and yahoo combined.
but of course thats only from anecdotal evidence.
anyone here know those stats?
telnet
"To grasp how much data is in the Archive, if it were printed out as a single line of text, it would stretch around the world more than 250 times. Printing it out on pages of A4 would produce a stack of paper two-and-a-half times as high as Mount Everest. "
I have twice that much data on my 128k thumbdrive, if printed out in 72 point font size.
Anyone care to translate this into volkswagens, or libraries of congress?
This is a complete non-story.
/. really had no substance whatsoever.
Every corporation half of IBM's size gets audited by the SEC, IRS, and whatever else quarterly if not monthly if not weekly if not daily.
The article linked by
I've never heard of reed electronics (the site where the article is hosted). after looking at thier site a bit, all of their links seem to be geared more towards getting hits off keywords and links. I certainly couldn't find anything newsworthy there.
this is weak. have the spammers taken over?
gonna go watch my karma oscillate now
Parent said: So given that this is about natural phenomena (like Bee flight -- see previous), can we expect to see ID and anti-ID arguing about what this means? Or can we just stick to the physics and call it that?
And got rated insightful. This comment (except for the 'see previous' part) could be applied to every slashdot article ever posted in the science section and wouldn't be terribly offtopic.
Is Intelligent Design the new karma whoring goodness?
My co-worker Steve is a real jerk.
Hiya, I'm a long time windows user and I just installed my first linux (in a long time anyways), Ubuntu.
The install went well enough, the problem I am having is that for DNS entries, 192.168.0.1 always comes up when I boot up, even after deleting it from system->networking. Any idea why that is, or how to fix it? I don't think its bad DHCP cause the other windows boxes on the network don't do that.
Do you know what file the DNS entries are held in?
Thanks
p.s. mod me up, down, or sideways, my karma is so excellent it really doesn't matter.
got a link for that thing about the government-marijuana-cookie-tracking thing you menationed?
//mmmm marijuana cookies
not that I don't believe you, i'd just like to read more on it.
First of all, I'm guessing its the same cookie that you get if you go to anything.senate.gov
Secondly, whats all the fuss about? Cookies are incredibly harmless compared to everything else floating around the internets. Right?
Oh well. Damn politians. I'm sure John McCain is perfectly correct. He, personally, does not use cookies to track people. He probably doesn't.
Well I believe the reason they do that is because BBC is a UK-taxpayer funded service, so they only want UK taxpayers reaping the rewards. I heard that somewhere. fwiw.
i'm not so worried about the FBI. there is plenty of oversight, checks and balances, internal affairs, etc.
i'd be more worried about non-official organizations like blackwater or executive outcomes or similar organizations. (I'm sure I haven't even heard of the really bad ones... too secret perhaps). if one has to worry about such things. myself, i do not. there's been far worse threats to freedom and civilization than the FBI hiring a bunch of database administrators.
but these private organizations have far more power than the FBI could ever dream of, with far less oversight.
google those companies sometime....
this would also allow for lots of fun viruses. I know that Sobig or Sober or whatever its called has been bouncing off my spam filter for some time now, and I read one story where a German man with kiddy pr0n turned himself in after receiving that same virus.
so im sure the system would be real usable when thousands of people simultaneously and incorrectly turn themselves in.
a bit OT, but I had an idea for a fun virus a while back. It would consist of a couple of illegal pr0n files that would be emailed, then it would email the FBI letting them know which computer now had the illegal payload. I never did write anything like that though. Nor would I, certainly not now that i have a kid and all.
what game(s) do you develop?
not just comment moderation
would stop the dupes
only about 5 years behind the times. theres only about 5 of these things i can think of without googling.
is this redundant yet? i didnt read any comments and only saw about 20 posted.
and for some offtopic goodness, im typing all this while waiting for battlefield2 to load. great game, long loading times tho.