Live broadcasts would not matter, and if they were sharing anonymously, they could always enforce the "3 day" rule and wrap the DRM around the file, and then offer it for sale.
All of my suggestions would allow for on the fly DRM to be in place that would limit the time and play availability of files. I am not suggesting going against the RIAA, I am suggesting making a more useful and interesting product while protecting copyright holder interest.
The only thing I would argue for is that if a piece of music entered the Zune without DRM that it be allowed to leave the Zune without DRM.
Actually, upon reviewing it, it took about 40 - 45 seconds with two people demoing and hitting the buttons in correct order.
One person sent it, then the other sent it back.
I could easily see doing it in a couple of seconds, just click on the song playing or in a list, hit "send" and then send it.
Or why even do that, just put it as "share" and share it with whoever wants it in the room. They could log into your zune list and just grab the song if they think it is neat. Think of the ultimate collaborative experience.
Unfortunately the Zune seems to offer very little, and the feature that it should be known for takes a LONG time to implement. Sharing a song with another zune is as easy as the path the pinball takes on the sesame street number song.
It takes like a minute to share (squirt) a zune song
The thing I was wondering is this. I do not mind the squirting feature, it seems neat and probably could have been implemented in a more intuitive way (IE have a squirt button instead of traversing 3 menus and a submenu) but the idea itself is "ok." Though I do have a problem with "squirting" a song in reference to a player that looks like it was molded in shit.
So they have some possibilities for cool features! They have wireless... why do they not leverage it in more interesting ways.
As you can see in the video they can see other zune players, in fact it seems incredibly intuitive.
Now lets say that it is true wifi and could probably support 5 or 6 streams coming out of it... why do they not have some kind of "Zune broadcast" feature were people can look at zunes, see what they are broadcasting or who they are listening too, and let people tap into the music that way... maybe even have some sort of re-broadcast peer to peer feature were each zune re-broadcasts what it is playing if someone wants to listen to the same song...
This way if you knew a lot of zune friends you could have them sample the song before you squirt it into their zune... though even talking about the zune and squirting makes me kind of uncomfortable.
Also, since it has wifi, why do they not provide a program that lets your computer do the same thing... IE submit to someones current audio stream.
This is even "better" than bringing an ipod to a club and having them plug it in, you just bring your zune in, start your stream and the DJ could link into it. OR you could go to your house, have your computer plugged into a nice sound system, and have it plug into what your zune is playing, this would allow you to use the zune as sort of a music remote control were you have a nice interface in your hand.
Or it could be used the other way around, the computer could transmit music and the zune could log in and see the music being transmitted... Microsoft even has Media center edition which would be perfect for this kind of thing, or it could be a plug in to their current media player. This way people could come over, log their zunes into your computer network and listen to music rocking down the line.
Maybe internet radio, walk into a wifi cafe, set up your zune, and listen to radio streaming from a remote radio station that is on-line, NPR for example (though you might want to find one to your tastes ofc).
How about wireless synchronization with podcasts? Walk into a wifi area and hit "sync" and have it sync with all the podcasts you are behind on and then tell you which ones you haven't listened to yet.
Maybe they could work with an online video provider similar to youtube and hook up a method to stream user videos to the zune in an easy fashion, something that would nearly be a killer app for anything.
Imagine a youtube branded mediaplayer with wireless access (maybe even work with phone companies for EVDO support) were someone could log into youtube and download youtube videos right to their phone.
I mean, the possibilities are ENDLESS and OBVIOUS. You merely have to think "man what would I love to do with a wireless capable player that can be locked into a major brand and legally buy music for" etc... and it seems Microsoft chose one interesting feature to focus on and implement poorly (squirting) and then made it so that the player broke every compatibility rule that you can think of, and made a SONY mistake were it changes format and requires that you re-purchase to play.
In the end you have to ask yourself "WTF"
and note, all of this is without the criticism of making blood contracts with record companies etc... it is saying "here are the things you made me hope you would provide, then you provided... this"
The thing I was wondering is this. I do not mind the squirting feature, it seems neat and probably could have been implemented in a more intuitive way (IE have a squirt button instead of traversing 3 menus and a submenu) but the idea itself is "ok."
The thing is, they have wireless... why do they not leverage it in more interesting ways.
As you can see in the video they can see other zune players, in fact it seems incredibly intuitive.
Now lets say that it is true wifi and could probably support 5 or 6 streams coming out of it... why do they not have some kind of "Zune broadcast" feature were people can look at zunes, see what they are broadcasting or who they are listening too, and let people tap into the music that way... maybe even have some sort of re-broadcast peer to peer feature were each zune re-broadcasts what it is playing if someone wants to listen to the same song...
This way if you knew a lot of zune friends you could have them sample the song before you squirt it into their zune... though even talking about the zune and squirting makes me kind of uncomfortable.
Also, since it has wifi, why do they not provide a program that lets your computer do the same thing... IE submit to someones current audio stream.
This is even "better" than bringing an ipod to a club and having them plug it in, you just bring your zune in, start your stream and the DJ could link into it. OR you could go to your house, have your computer plugged into a nice sound system, and have it plug into what your zune is playing, this would allow you to use the zune as sort of a music remote control were you have a nice interface in your hand.
Or it could be used the other way around, the computer could transmit music and the zune could log in and see the music being transmitted... Microsoft even has Media center edition which would be perfect for this kind of thing, or it could be a plug in to their current media player. This way people could come over, log their zunes into your computer network and listen to music rocking down the line.
Maybe internet radio, walk into a wifi cafe, set up your zune, and listen to radio streaming from a remote radio station that is on-line, NPR for example (though you might want to find one to your tastes ofc).
How about wireless synchronization with podcasts? Walk into a wifi area and hit "sync" and have it sync with all the podcasts you are behind on and then tell you which ones you haven't listened to yet.
Maybe they could work with an online video provider similar to youtube and hook up a method to stream user videos to the zune in an easy fashion, something that would nearly be a killer app for anything.
Imagine a youtube branded mediaplayer with wireless access (maybe even work with phone companies for EVDO support) were someone could log into youtube and download youtube videos right to their phone.
I mean, the possibilities are ENDLESS and OBVIOUS. You merely have to think "man what would I love to do with a wireless capable player that can be locked into a major brand and legally buy music for" etc... and it seems Microsoft chose one interesting feature to focus on and implement poorly (squirting) and then made it so that the player broke every compatibility rule that you can think of, and made a SONY mistake were it changes format and requires that you re-purchase to play.
In the end you have to ask yourself "WTF"
and note, all of this is without the criticism of making blood contracts with record companies etc... it is saying "here are the things you made me hope you would provide, then you provided... this"
A majority of people with a "real" computer science degree that required they go through an algorithms analysis class would have done something with doubly linked lists when discussing traversal problems.
Either LSI hired someone who taught themselves programming at home, and when they came up with this idea they thought "OMFG THIS IS NEW AND AWSOME" or they are deliberately attempting to abuse the system.
If you learned scheme via the "little schemer" you would actually have found documented evidence of doubly linked lists used to solve the N-Queens problem.
Pretty sad what can be patented nowadays. Next the guy who patented how to swing a swing will start suing children.
911 is statistically unique, that is why it is not added.
You cannot assume that because there was 3000 + killed on 9/11 that this is part of traditional terrorist activities.
IN fact, we will not even be sure if we have been successful in limiting terror until mid 2007, which is about the date, traditionally, that we could expect the next attack if you add in the terrorist bombing in Okalahoma as the most recent,successful, mass death terrorist attack on American soil.
If you want to use foreign acts of terror on US soil, that successfully set off a bomb on our soil targeted at a major monument, then the frequency between attacks (using only the two most recent data points) is actually 8 years, because the last attack (also against WTC) was done in 1993.
So, if the president/you/Republicans don't want to count your buddy Tim McViegh as a terrorist, then we would have to wait until 2009 before we know if the President has been successful in stopping terrorism on American soil.
The scientist who lead the group that published the study said that to read it as having no fish by 2048 is a mistake. It is a projection if trends go exactly as they are now, but he said that would be unlikely and that people should not see it as such doom and gloom.
Though he has taken credit for much of the funding, and those who were involved in the process agree that the civilian internet may not have taken off, at least not as early, if it was not for Gore's support.
And the obligatory, Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet, it was all a Republican spin job lie. Al Gore helped in the creation of the internet from a monetary and financial standpoint, the people that did make the internet agree with this position.
I lost my domain because the company I had my web page through stopped paying for the domain name, or did not renew for some other reason, in the end I found out my domain was expired when I went to my web page and found out it was owned by one of those spam search engine groups that has the the basic premise of your site as the way to feed advertising. The group I had bought the page through said it was my responsibility to re-purchase the domain, even though I had done all the business through them. When I bought the.NET version of the domain I was sure I had everything nailed down so it would not happen to me again. If such a thing were to happen to me today, I have legal documentation that would allow me to become whole again.
The problem with loser pay systems that DO exist is that people with a lot of money just throw tons of that money at lawyers, while the plaintiff (a person usually with less money) cant even approach the kind of monetary output.
What then happens is that lots of things that SHOULD be litigated cant be, because no one will take a chance at owing millions of dollars on the chance that they lose.
It just solidifies the power of those WITH money over the power of those without. In the end litigation like this, even though some of it is frivolous, does increase overall safety, even if you and I grew up as children and realize just how little impact it practically has (IE no one died that i know of to school yard injury, or lost an eye while growing up, and broken bones are mendable).
It keeps those with money and resources on their toes, they cover their butts harder and do make things safer because of it, all because they got hit with millions in punitive damages at some point.
Remember, many multi million dollar litigations dont come from the fact that the litigant asked for so much, its because the jury was tasked on finding some form of punishment for the actions which lead to the damage caused.
The nice thing about your post about Gerry was the "Consenting Adults" part, perhaps you are a homophobe and equate homosexuality between consenting adults on the same level of the actions of a pederast with youths under the age of consent?
The problem is, if string theory was WRITTEN to the other theories, to describe what is happening and mathematically manipulated to come up with the same results, then it is not a theory.
If it were a theory, then string theory could independantly create a new testable hypothesis (that may be backed up by current quantum theory or relativity) and be tested based on merits of its own. Something is not a scientific theory if it merely describes what has already happened and can make no new predictions outside of that sphere. Even if the predictions were WRONG then it would still have been a theory. The world has had people creating explanations for already observed behavior for thousands of years, some have been called religions, others philosophy etc... but most didnt actually meet the criteria of being testable or (in the case of religions especially) falsifiable.
HEHE might as well call your membership to the local YMCA as a religion then.
I used marriam webster m-w.com, I guess this must be like a politically biased liberal web log, i dont know, I always thought it was pretty definitive.
But remember the next time you enter your local town hall meeting to remind them that they are all following a codified set of rules of which violation will mean you are expelled and that it is a religion.
Science is a club, and these people are specifically zealous club members that dont want to lose the entire point of the club by making it worthless from a point of persuing knowledge.
Seems wierd, I looked up the definition of religion
"religion 2 entries found for religion. To select an entry, click on it.
Main Entry: religion Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n Function: noun Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY 1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance 2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices 3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith - religionless adjective "
Doesnt fit anything there, you would have to be religious to stretch a skepticism (which is what science is) into a religion, and the codified way of reducing skepticism as an ideological code similar to faith.
Also, science doesnt require you have actual faith in anything, but you can have faith in God or Gods or your little toe, and you are still a scientist.
So it seems to be opposite of a religion since there is no faith implied, there is no resounding philosophy required to be followed, only the rules that you cant take things on faith, and a way to codify a way to avoid a faith based decision.
You cant be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time, but you can be a scientist and a Christian at the same time, or a Scientist and a Muslim at the same time, or a Scientist and a beleiver in large magical strands of spaggehti that rules the worlds (ramen), so there seems to be some kind of disconnect between what a religion is and what a scientist, especially someone that actually IS a scientist and follows the tenets of what that means.
So, instead of being a religion, its more like being in a club were everyone agrees to a set of standards to belong to it.
So, we have some members of organized religions against some members of a club, except the people in the organized religions are trying to say that there views should be considered on equal footing of that with the clubs, even though the club does not want faith based views to affect it, and its part of the clubs charter.
Where do you get that being objective, or wanting people to be objective, is a religious ideology?
All these crazy religious ideologies running around with their preaching of the word "THINK"
And people running around saying "I REFUSE TO THINK and BE OBJECTIVE!"
I just see this kind of funny war between objective thinkers and subjective thinkers. The objective thinkers are measurably winning, but the subjective thinkers THINK they are winning, even though they have no proof.
you probably hit the point better. We dont teach them how to lose. Since they are always allowed to win in someway at school etc... they dont understand that the point of the game is not to win, but to learn from it, get better, work hard at it etc... but that was for me when I was growing up I guess. They would learn that if they had to get into actual sports, as there have to be losers in high school sports. oh well.
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Live broadcasts would not matter, and if they were sharing anonymously, they could always enforce the "3 day" rule and wrap the DRM around the file, and then offer it for sale.
All of my suggestions would allow for on the fly DRM to be in place that would limit the time and play availability of files. I am not suggesting going against the RIAA, I am suggesting making a more useful and interesting product while protecting copyright holder interest.
The only thing I would argue for is that if a piece of music entered the Zune without DRM that it be allowed to leave the Zune without DRM.
Actually, upon reviewing it, it took about 40 - 45 seconds with two people demoing and hitting the buttons in correct order.
One person sent it, then the other sent it back.
I could easily see doing it in a couple of seconds, just click on the song playing or in a list, hit "send" and then send it.
Or why even do that, just put it as "share" and share it with whoever wants it in the room. They could log into your zune list and just grab the song if they think it is neat. Think of the ultimate collaborative experience.
Unfortunately the Zune seems to offer very little, and the feature that it should be known for takes a LONG time to implement. Sharing a song with another zune is as easy as the path the pinball takes on the sesame street number song.
It takes like a minute to share (squirt) a zune song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpHzQYKDlWU [youtube.com]
The thing I was wondering is this. I do not mind the squirting feature, it seems neat and probably could have been implemented in a more intuitive way (IE have a squirt button instead of traversing 3 menus and a submenu) but the idea itself is "ok." Though I do have a problem with "squirting" a song in reference to a player that looks like it was molded in shit.
So they have some possibilities for cool features! They have wireless... why do they not leverage it in more interesting ways.
As you can see in the video they can see other zune players, in fact it seems incredibly intuitive.
Now lets say that it is true wifi and could probably support 5 or 6 streams coming out of it... why do they not have some kind of "Zune broadcast" feature were people can look at zunes, see what they are broadcasting or who they are listening too, and let people tap into the music that way... maybe even have some sort of re-broadcast peer to peer feature were each zune re-broadcasts what it is playing if someone wants to listen to the same song...
This way if you knew a lot of zune friends you could have them sample the song before you squirt it into their zune... though even talking about the zune and squirting makes me kind of uncomfortable.
Also, since it has wifi, why do they not provide a program that lets your computer do the same thing... IE submit to someones current audio stream.
This is even "better" than bringing an ipod to a club and having them plug it in, you just bring your zune in, start your stream and the DJ could link into it. OR you could go to your house, have your computer plugged into a nice sound system, and have it plug into what your zune is playing, this would allow you to use the zune as sort of a music remote control were you have a nice interface in your hand.
Or it could be used the other way around, the computer could transmit music and the zune could log in and see the music being transmitted... Microsoft even has Media center edition which would be perfect for this kind of thing, or it could be a plug in to their current media player. This way people could come over, log their zunes into your computer network and listen to music rocking down the line.
Maybe internet radio, walk into a wifi cafe, set up your zune, and listen to radio streaming from a remote radio station that is on-line, NPR for example (though you might want to find one to your tastes ofc).
How about wireless synchronization with podcasts? Walk into a wifi area and hit "sync" and have it sync with all the podcasts you are behind on and then tell you which ones you haven't listened to yet.
Maybe they could work with an online video provider similar to youtube and hook up a method to stream user videos to the zune in an easy fashion, something that would nearly be a killer app for anything.
Imagine a youtube branded mediaplayer with wireless access (maybe even work with phone companies for EVDO support) were someone could log into youtube and download youtube videos right to their phone.
I mean, the possibilities are ENDLESS and OBVIOUS. You merely have to think "man what would I love to do with a wireless capable player that can be locked into a major brand and legally buy music for" etc... and it seems Microsoft chose one interesting feature to focus on and implement poorly (squirting) and then made it so that the player broke every compatibility rule that you can think of, and made a SONY mistake were it changes format and requires that you re-purchase to play.
In the end you have to ask yourself "WTF"
and note, all of this is without the criticism of making blood contracts with record companies etc... it is saying "here are the things you made me hope you would provide, then you provided... this"
Considering the list as it stands that is actually a reasonable set of additions.
It takes like a minute to share a zune song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpHzQYKDlWU
The thing I was wondering is this. I do not mind the squirting feature, it seems neat and probably could have been implemented in a more intuitive way (IE have a squirt button instead of traversing 3 menus and a submenu) but the idea itself is "ok."
The thing is, they have wireless... why do they not leverage it in more interesting ways.
As you can see in the video they can see other zune players, in fact it seems incredibly intuitive.
Now lets say that it is true wifi and could probably support 5 or 6 streams coming out of it... why do they not have some kind of "Zune broadcast" feature were people can look at zunes, see what they are broadcasting or who they are listening too, and let people tap into the music that way... maybe even have some sort of re-broadcast peer to peer feature were each zune re-broadcasts what it is playing if someone wants to listen to the same song...
This way if you knew a lot of zune friends you could have them sample the song before you squirt it into their zune... though even talking about the zune and squirting makes me kind of uncomfortable.
Also, since it has wifi, why do they not provide a program that lets your computer do the same thing... IE submit to someones current audio stream.
This is even "better" than bringing an ipod to a club and having them plug it in, you just bring your zune in, start your stream and the DJ could link into it. OR you could go to your house, have your computer plugged into a nice sound system, and have it plug into what your zune is playing, this would allow you to use the zune as sort of a music remote control were you have a nice interface in your hand.
Or it could be used the other way around, the computer could transmit music and the zune could log in and see the music being transmitted... Microsoft even has Media center edition which would be perfect for this kind of thing, or it could be a plug in to their current media player. This way people could come over, log their zunes into your computer network and listen to music rocking down the line.
Maybe internet radio, walk into a wifi cafe, set up your zune, and listen to radio streaming from a remote radio station that is on-line, NPR for example (though you might want to find one to your tastes ofc).
How about wireless synchronization with podcasts? Walk into a wifi area and hit "sync" and have it sync with all the podcasts you are behind on and then tell you which ones you haven't listened to yet.
Maybe they could work with an online video provider similar to youtube and hook up a method to stream user videos to the zune in an easy fashion, something that would nearly be a killer app for anything.
Imagine a youtube branded mediaplayer with wireless access (maybe even work with phone companies for EVDO support) were someone could log into youtube and download youtube videos right to their phone.
I mean, the possibilities are ENDLESS and OBVIOUS. You merely have to think "man what would I love to do with a wireless capable player that can be locked into a major brand and legally buy music for" etc... and it seems Microsoft chose one interesting feature to focus on and implement poorly (squirting) and then made it so that the player broke every compatibility rule that you can think of, and made a SONY mistake were it changes format and requires that you re-purchase to play.
In the end you have to ask yourself "WTF"
and note, all of this is without the criticism of making blood contracts with record companies etc... it is saying "here are the things you made me hope you would provide, then you provided... this"
Here is a good one, this is a CNN review of the Zune
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buKaqRG2SFA&mode=r
It turns into an ad for the new ipod shuffle. It is hilarity.
A majority of people with a "real" computer science degree that required they go through an algorithms analysis class would have done something with doubly linked lists when discussing traversal problems.
Either LSI hired someone who taught themselves programming at home, and when they came up with this idea they thought "OMFG THIS IS NEW AND AWSOME" or they are deliberately attempting to abuse the system.
If you learned scheme via the "little schemer" you would actually have found documented evidence of doubly linked lists used to solve the N-Queens problem.
Pretty sad what can be patented nowadays. Next the guy who patented how to swing a swing will start suing children.
If they flavored it like bacon, I could probably overlook that it's people.
I am saying don't travel to Europe and Live in America :-)
911 is statistically unique, that is why it is not added.
You cannot assume that because there was 3000 + killed on 9/11 that this is part of traditional terrorist activities.
IN fact, we will not even be sure if we have been successful in limiting terror until mid 2007, which is about the date, traditionally, that we could expect the next attack if you add in the terrorist bombing in Okalahoma as the most recent,successful, mass death terrorist attack on American soil.
If you want to use foreign acts of terror on US soil, that successfully set off a bomb on our soil targeted at a major monument, then the frequency between attacks (using only the two most recent data points) is actually 8 years, because the last attack (also against WTC) was done in 1993.
So, if the president/you/Republicans don't want to count your buddy Tim McViegh as a terrorist, then we would have to wait until 2009 before we know if the President has been successful in stopping terrorism on American soil.
Live in America, and travel there with an American based plan. That should get rid of roaming charges unless you get a poor plan.
The scientist who lead the group that published the study said that to read it as having no fish by 2048 is a mistake. It is a projection if trends go exactly as they are now, but he said that would be unlikely and that people should not see it as such doom and gloom.
And the obligatory, he did not say invented. :-)
Though he has taken credit for much of the funding, and those who were involved in the process agree that the civilian internet may not have taken off, at least not as early, if it was not for Gore's support.
And the obligatory, Al Gore never claimed to have invented the internet, it was all a Republican spin job lie. Al Gore helped in the creation of the internet from a monetary and financial standpoint, the people that did make the internet agree with this position.
I lost my domain because the company I had my web page through stopped paying for the domain name, or did not renew for some other reason, in the end I found out my domain was expired when I went to my web page and found out it was owned by one of those spam search engine groups that has the the basic premise of your site as the way to feed advertising. The group I had bought the page through said it was my responsibility to re-purchase the domain, even though I had done all the business through them. When I bought the .NET version of the domain I was sure I had everything nailed down so it would not happen to me again. If such a thing were to happen to me today, I have legal documentation that would allow me to become whole again.
The problem with loser pay systems that DO exist is that people with a lot of money just throw tons of that money at lawyers, while the plaintiff (a person usually with less money) cant even approach the kind of monetary output.
What then happens is that lots of things that SHOULD be litigated cant be, because no one will take a chance at owing millions of dollars on the chance that they lose.
It just solidifies the power of those WITH money over the power of those without. In the end litigation like this, even though some of it is frivolous, does increase overall safety, even if you and I grew up as children and realize just how little impact it practically has (IE no one died that i know of to school yard injury, or lost an eye while growing up, and broken bones are mendable).
It keeps those with money and resources on their toes, they cover their butts harder and do make things safer because of it, all because they got hit with millions in punitive damages at some point.
Remember, many multi million dollar litigations dont come from the fact that the litigant asked for so much, its because the jury was tasked on finding some form of punishment for the actions which lead to the damage caused.
Is this the same as when the DVD has all of the video located in "extras" files, and the main movie is only a few megs.
The nice thing about your post about Gerry was the "Consenting Adults" part, perhaps you are a homophobe and equate homosexuality between consenting adults on the same level of the actions of a pederast with youths under the age of consent?
Oddly yes, he uses the mod chip in his xBox so that he can watch pornography on his plasma television.
The problem is, if string theory was WRITTEN to the other theories, to describe what is happening and mathematically manipulated to come up with the same results, then it is not a theory.
If it were a theory, then string theory could independantly create a new testable hypothesis (that may be backed up by current quantum theory or relativity) and be tested based on merits of its own. Something is not a scientific theory if it merely describes what has already happened and can make no new predictions outside of that sphere. Even if the predictions were WRONG then it would still have been a theory. The world has had people creating explanations for already observed behavior for thousands of years, some have been called religions, others philosophy etc... but most didnt actually meet the criteria of being testable or (in the case of religions especially) falsifiable.
HEHE might as well call your membership to the local YMCA as a religion then.
I used marriam webster m-w.com, I guess this must be like a politically biased liberal web log, i dont know, I always thought it was pretty definitive.
But remember the next time you enter your local town hall meeting to remind them that they are all following a codified set of rules of which violation will mean you are expelled and that it is a religion.
Science is a club, and these people are specifically zealous club members that dont want to lose the entire point of the club by making it worthless from a point of persuing knowledge.
Seems wierd, I looked up the definition of religion
"religion
2 entries found for religion.
To select an entry, click on it.
Main Entry: religion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
- religionless adjective
"
Doesnt fit anything there, you would have to be religious to stretch a skepticism (which is what science is) into a religion, and the codified way of reducing skepticism as an ideological code similar to faith.
Also, science doesnt require you have actual faith in anything, but you can have faith in God or Gods or your little toe, and you are still a scientist.
So it seems to be opposite of a religion since there is no faith implied, there is no resounding philosophy required to be followed, only the rules that you cant take things on faith, and a way to codify a way to avoid a faith based decision.
You cant be a Christian and a Muslim at the same time, but you can be a scientist and a Christian at the same time, or a Scientist and a Muslim at the same time, or a Scientist and a beleiver in large magical strands of spaggehti that rules the worlds (ramen), so there seems to be some kind of disconnect between what a religion is and what a scientist, especially someone that actually IS a scientist and follows the tenets of what that means.
So, instead of being a religion, its more like being in a club were everyone agrees to a set of standards to belong to it.
So, we have some members of organized religions against some members of a club, except the people in the organized religions are trying to say that there views should be considered on equal footing of that with the clubs, even though the club does not want faith based views to affect it, and its part of the clubs charter.
Interesting.
I like how you said the following
"religious ideology of objectivism."
It made me laugh.
Where do you get that being objective, or wanting people to be objective, is a religious ideology?
All these crazy religious ideologies running around with their preaching of the word "THINK"
And people running around saying "I REFUSE TO THINK and BE OBJECTIVE!"
I just see this kind of funny war between objective thinkers and subjective thinkers. The objective thinkers are measurably winning, but the subjective thinkers THINK they are winning, even though they have no proof.
I can stop if I want to.
:-)
I just dont want to, and you arent going to convince me to stop.
you probably hit the point better. We dont teach them how to lose. Since they are always allowed to win in someway at school etc... they dont understand that the point of the game is not to win, but to learn from it, get better, work hard at it etc... but that was for me when I was growing up I guess. They would learn that if they had to get into actual sports, as there have to be losers in high school sports. oh well.