1. Let's say, for argument's sake, there was no 9/11 and no subsequent wars. We'd have (at least) $87 billion more in the budget. So in that parallel universe you believe that homeless people are all living in co-ops?
2. I do believe there were quite a few impoverished people before the founding of NASA. The creation of NASA did not take a sandwich out of a homeless guy's hand.
3. Velcro, GPS, Cellular Telephones, discovery of the ozone hole which arguably launched the widespread efforts to fix our planet, Tang:), and rocketry as a whole were all results of NASA innovations (not to mention within-the-next-decade cancer drugs and other crystaline drugs they are experimenting with in zero G on the ISS eventually). And no, we didn't decide to send men to the moon to create pocket-phones, but low and behold it's an offshoot. Who can possibly tell what else we have to find out there?
4. And... does everything in your mind have to deal with profit? So, if we find unlimited diamonds and platinum on Mars/Asteroids/etc, then it's worth it? If it's "just a few microbes thus PROVING we are not the only inhabited planet in the universe" then it's no big deal?
5. Lastly (I could be wrong on this one - if this is the one I mess up then fine), I believe GWB wants to lower taxes (not that I agree with lowering them either, but I'm just correcting you on that...)
I was given $25 to spend at iTunes. Crooked Crow? Not getting my money now. (If you apologize to the parent, then I'll listen to the preview and consider dl'ing it for it's merit.)
First off, I'm American. Remember when you were complaining that non-EU people were being very rude, immature and annoying when they laughed at Beagle 2's failure, and then many Americans (wrongly) justified it by saying that Eu people had mocked NASA's mars failures for the last 4 years? Well, they were wrong, you were wrong.
I was sad that Beagle was lost (science >>> pride - that data woulda helped everyone). Now that Spirit might be lost, now's your chance to prove you can be mature and respectful too.
sorry if it wasn't clear (now that I look at it, it wasn't) - but I was being sarcastic. I'm a nintendo boy (NES thru gameboy, even have a virtual boy!) and I was just poking fun at all the idiots who always claim big N is on the way out...
Can we stop the Slashdot editorializing? I mean, look at this story. The first half is very fact-oriented and neutral. It presents the case in question, the student's views and his initial punnishment. Do we need the poster's opinion as well? That is the sort of comment that should be reserved for the COMMENTS section, not the main article...
anyone else agree that we're seeing this much more recently?
One reason why the companies DO want to do this is because game prices have been pretty stagnant over the last 2 decades.
I mean, Super Mario Brothers 3 sold millions of copies at $50 each in 1988, and today Grand Theft Auto 3 and VC sold millions of copies each at $50 each.
$50 x 1,000,000 in 1988>$50 x 1,000,000 in 2004
So, not that I support this (which I don't), but the game companies haven't upped the price of games in 15 years or so, so they're just trying to make more $ in other ways. (In fact, I remember in the early-mid 90's there was a temporary trend in which games were sold for $59.99 - I remember pre-ordering Rebel Assault II for that much).
thats exactly the conservative spin I was talking about (which liberals do the same with). Right or wrong, it's still the same... Good economy = From Bush one, NOT clinton. Bad economy = From Clinton, NOT Bush 2.
No liberal will acknoledge Bush, Bush or Reagan's sucesses.
No conservative will give Clinton credit for his enourmous sucesses.
I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but the US has become so polarized that it basically comes down to this:
Conservatives: They decide beforehand that Bush is right. After he does something, they say why it's right. Same with Clinton. He's wrong... once he does something, they say WHY he was wrong.
Liberals: Decide whatever Bush does is wrong because he's a "right-winged whacko" or an "idiot" and whatever Clinton did was awesome.
Examples 1. Conservatives hail the NASA plan as bold and signs of a good leader. Liberals say that it's simply a ploy/trick. Yeah, like it wouldn't be the opposite had Clinton done it. 2. The economic boom was (basically) entirely within Clinton's years. Conservatives remain steadfast that the dems had NOTHING to do with it. Had it been Dole in office from 96-2000 I guarentee you it would have been all his doing according to many.
The New York Times, for one... hardly a fan of Mr. Bush. (In fact, the headline last month said something about some aspect of the economy being the best in decades)
because if they got stuck, they'd have to endure ANOTHER 5 years of stupid NASA-bashing comments. The "duh! you can't tell the difference between metric and English units!" comments would be replaced with the equally stupid/immature (but yet always somehow labeled "+5, funny") "Duh! NASA is so dumb they can get into a car accident 300 million miles away! Ha!") comments...
So if the average american is stupid, and the average nobel prize winner is american (I'll say average in this case meaning most likely), then NON-americans would certainly be in a lot worse shape! +5, funny!
I agree. Supposedly NASA has gotten tens of thousands of calls since Fox aired that stupid "Did we really land on the moon?" tv special 2 years ago. If people (not just americans) see things in print it has a way of legitimizing itself. (like how both radical left and right-winged people quote exactly opposide "facts" from their own biased websites)
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As an American who hears more than enough anti-US abuse on Slashdot (and yes, the HUGE MAJORITY of it is unfounded), I think it's a stupid comment that the parent said.
I have never allowed myself to take such cheap shots at Europeans, and now that someone has done it to you, I hope you will not do the same back to Americans next time (not that I'm accusing you of having done that, but just something to think about). And also note I'm not saying "Well, it's not nice that they did that... BUT-" - that's a piss poor excuse for bad behavior (one which a certain group of people who will remain nameless as it is irrelevent to this topic use nearly 100% of the time, but that's a different story)
Applaud Mars Express - it's going to provide great science. Learn from Beagle's failure - it's going to teach you what you did wrong so you can correct it next time. That's what NASA does and that's what all good scientists should do.
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Wow! Good for you! You think like a NASA guy... I'm not sure of the specifics, but the missions principal scientist was my professor in college and he specifically said that they tried some of your exact ideas for the next rover (which was actually a cancelled 2003 mission). They tried a windshield-wiper type deal, layers of plastic film that would roll off every few days (think like a doctor's office, how they tear off that butcher paper and roll a new cover over for each new patient).
He didn't delve too much into specifics, but he definately said that they simply didn't get any of these ideas to work. Actually, there was a brief period of time when they were actually close to getting RTGs to power the rovers (plutonium, like the ones used in the Viking landers that allowed them to operate for 5 years), but the Greens stopped that:(
actually, they experimented with a windshield-wiper type devise, a sort of "roll-around" shield system and fans. Nothing seemed to be feasible enough to either work or survive the hundred-million-mile+ trip.
First attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor
Bush being president had nothing to do with 9/11. Are you saying that had Al Gore won in 2000 Bin Laden would not have killed those 3,000 people? Right...
an economy that just will not recover
I believe the economy is much better than it was in 2001 when Bush took office. The Dow is now back to 10,000 range, unemployment is the lowest in years and economic growth is climbing...
I wouldn't be surprised if the mission leaders bought them for the crew. A few of the mission leaders were my professors and they are all very generous - (one took time out of his schedule and wrote a recommendation which helped me get into medical school - what a great guy...)
I saw in From the Earth to the Moon that the team leader of Apollo 12 bought his 2 crewmembers and himself matching Corvettes!!! So as you can see, NASA people are very internally-generous:)
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Your resoning is flawed:
:), and rocketry as a whole were all results of NASA innovations (not to mention within-the-next-decade cancer drugs and other crystaline drugs they are experimenting with in zero G on the ISS eventually). And no, we didn't decide to send men to the moon to create pocket-phones, but low and behold it's an offshoot. Who can possibly tell what else we have to find out there?
1. Let's say, for argument's sake, there was no 9/11 and no subsequent wars. We'd have (at least) $87 billion more in the budget. So in that parallel universe you believe that homeless people are all living in co-ops?
2. I do believe there were quite a few impoverished people before the founding of NASA. The creation of NASA did not take a sandwich out of a homeless guy's hand.
3. Velcro, GPS, Cellular Telephones, discovery of the ozone hole which arguably launched the widespread efforts to fix our planet, Tang
4. And... does everything in your mind have to deal with profit? So, if we find unlimited diamonds and platinum on Mars/Asteroids/etc, then it's worth it? If it's "just a few microbes thus PROVING we are not the only inhabited planet in the universe" then it's no big deal?
5. Lastly (I could be wrong on this one - if this is the one I mess up then fine), I believe GWB wants to lower taxes (not that I agree with lowering them either, but I'm just correcting you on that...)
thank you, mod, for modding this new repeated "in soviet russia" type-joke down.
Actually, dummy
I was given $25 to spend at iTunes. Crooked Crow? Not getting my money now. (If you apologize to the parent, then I'll listen to the preview and consider dl'ing it for it's merit.)
Hmmm...not a bad idea. Is the PS1 version any different than the PS2?
Any chance of this ever happening?
hey europe,
First off, I'm American. Remember when you were complaining that non-EU people were being very rude, immature and annoying when they laughed at Beagle 2's failure, and then many Americans (wrongly) justified it by saying that Eu people had mocked NASA's mars failures for the last 4 years? Well, they were wrong, you were wrong.
I was sad that Beagle was lost (science >>> pride - that data woulda helped everyone). Now that Spirit might be lost, now's your chance to prove you can be mature and respectful too.
sorry if it wasn't clear (now that I look at it, it wasn't) - but I was being sarcastic. I'm a nintendo boy (NES thru gameboy, even have a virtual boy!) and I was just poking fun at all the idiots who always claim big N is on the way out...
gamecube. it's "so dying" (or at least that's what every article on /. always claims...)
Oh, and apple too. totally dead.
wow. Michael, you're such a left-wing conspiracy theorist.
Corporation = evil (always)
Republican = evil (always)
America = imperialistic/ignorant (always)
Read this quick, folks, cuz the 14 year-old mods are gonna mod this down in a heartbeat.
Can we stop the Slashdot editorializing? I mean, look at this story. The first half is very fact-oriented and neutral. It presents the case in question, the student's views and his initial punnishment. Do we need the poster's opinion as well? That is the sort of comment that should be reserved for the COMMENTS section, not the main article...
anyone else agree that we're seeing this much more recently?
One reason why the companies DO want to do this is because game prices have been pretty stagnant over the last 2 decades.
I mean, Super Mario Brothers 3 sold millions of copies at $50 each in 1988, and today Grand Theft Auto 3 and VC sold millions of copies each at $50 each.
$50 x 1,000,000 in 1988>$50 x 1,000,000 in 2004
So, not that I support this (which I don't), but the game companies haven't upped the price of games in 15 years or so, so they're just trying to make more $ in other ways. (In fact, I remember in the early-mid 90's there was a temporary trend in which games were sold for $59.99 - I remember pre-ordering Rebel Assault II for that much).
thats exactly the conservative spin I was talking about (which liberals do the same with). Right or wrong, it's still the same... Good economy = From Bush one, NOT clinton. Bad economy = From Clinton, NOT Bush 2.
No liberal will acknoledge Bush, Bush or Reagan's sucesses.
No conservative will give Clinton credit for his enourmous sucesses.
I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but the US has become so polarized that it basically comes down to this:
Conservatives: They decide beforehand that Bush is right. After he does something, they say why it's right. Same with Clinton. He's wrong... once he does something, they say WHY he was wrong.
Liberals: Decide whatever Bush does is wrong because he's a "right-winged whacko" or an "idiot" and whatever Clinton did was awesome.
Examples
1. Conservatives hail the NASA plan as bold and signs of a good leader. Liberals say that it's simply a ploy/trick. Yeah, like it wouldn't be the opposite had Clinton done it.
2. The economic boom was (basically) entirely within Clinton's years. Conservatives remain steadfast that the dems had NOTHING to do with it. Had it been Dole in office from 96-2000 I guarentee you it would have been all his doing according to many.
Sigh... partisan politics...
Get your 100 tacos ready!
(sorry, had to be said...)
The New York Times, for one... hardly a fan of Mr. Bush. (In fact, the headline last month said something about some aspect of the economy being the best in decades)
because if they got stuck, they'd have to endure ANOTHER 5 years of stupid NASA-bashing comments. The "duh! you can't tell the difference between metric and English units!" comments would be replaced with the equally stupid/immature (but yet always somehow labeled "+5, funny") "Duh! NASA is so dumb they can get into a car accident 300 million miles away! Ha!") comments...
average (read stupid) american
So if the average american is stupid, and the average nobel prize winner is american (I'll say average in this case meaning most likely), then NON-americans would certainly be in a lot worse shape! +5, funny!
I agree. Supposedly NASA has gotten tens of thousands of calls since Fox aired that stupid "Did we really land on the moon?" tv special 2 years ago. If people (not just americans) see things in print it has a way of legitimizing itself. (like how both radical left and right-winged people quote exactly opposide "facts" from their own biased websites)
As an American who hears more than enough anti-US abuse on Slashdot (and yes, the HUGE MAJORITY of it is unfounded), I think it's a stupid comment that the parent said.
I have never allowed myself to take such cheap shots at Europeans, and now that someone has done it to you, I hope you will not do the same back to Americans next time (not that I'm accusing you of having done that, but just something to think about). And also note I'm not saying "Well, it's not nice that they did that... BUT-" - that's a piss poor excuse for bad behavior (one which a certain group of people who will remain nameless as it is irrelevent to this topic use nearly 100% of the time, but that's a different story)
Applaud Mars Express - it's going to provide great science. Learn from Beagle's failure - it's going to teach you what you did wrong so you can correct it next time. That's what NASA does and that's what all good scientists should do.
Wow! Good for you! You think like a NASA guy...
:(
I'm not sure of the specifics, but the missions principal scientist was my professor in college and he specifically said that they tried some of your exact ideas for the next rover (which was actually a cancelled 2003 mission). They tried a windshield-wiper type deal, layers of plastic film that would roll off every few days (think like a doctor's office, how they tear off that butcher paper and roll a new cover over for each new patient).
He didn't delve too much into specifics, but he definately said that they simply didn't get any of these ideas to work. Actually, there was a brief period of time when they were actually close to getting RTGs to power the rovers (plutonium, like the ones used in the Viking landers that allowed them to operate for 5 years), but the Greens stopped that
actually, they experimented with a windshield-wiper type devise, a sort of "roll-around" shield system and fans. Nothing seemed to be feasible enough to either work or survive the hundred-million-mile+ trip.
Unfair...
First attack on the United States since Pearl Harbor
Bush being president had nothing to do with 9/11. Are you saying that had Al Gore won in 2000 Bin Laden would not have killed those 3,000 people? Right...
an economy that just will not recover
I believe the economy is much better than it was in 2001 when Bush took office. The Dow is now back to 10,000 range, unemployment is the lowest in years and economic growth is climbing...
OK, this will be modded flamebait, but it's actually true and you guys know it...
I'm surprised there hasn't been stupid, repeatitive "+5, funny" comment, like this:
"Maybe the US would get to the moon faster if they told Bush there were WMDs there! Ha! Aren't I funny???"
I wouldn't be surprised if the mission leaders bought them for the crew. A few of the mission leaders were my professors and they are all very generous - (one took time out of his schedule and wrote a recommendation which helped me get into medical school - what a great guy...)
:)
I saw in From the Earth to the Moon that the team leader of Apollo 12 bought his 2 crewmembers and himself matching Corvettes!!! So as you can see, NASA people are very internally-generous
shhhh! or you'll be modded down for pointing out american sucesses on an anti-US site like slashdot!