there are allot of christian, non-muslim states why dont they give away some piece of land and make that a jewish state?
Because the Jews never had a country in ancient Italy or Spain, that's why. And, fyi, the Palestinians were given their own land by the UN (something the Arabs never did for their "brothers"), but they decided to try and steal it all, and lost (and then lost again... and again... and 1 more time after that. Then they suddenly decided to whine to the world how THEIR land was "stolen")...
Don't you know anything? Anything pro-Israel is flamebait on slashdot!
Since when is presenting actual facts, even as noted by the UN and all other governments, considred flamebait?
Again, you don't seem to know the Slashdot way. You can only side with the UN when saying things like "Hey Nasi Bush! Get out of Iraq and let the UN run things!" And you only listen to the UN when it serves anti-American or Anti-Israel purposes, like "The UN doesn't recognize this war, so the US sucks!" Side note: both of those comments would earn you +5, funny or +5, insightful mods...
But... when it's pro-Israel or US, you ignore it, and say things like "Just because the UN voted to create a state of Israel, and 7 Arab nations defied that vote and invaded them and lost, that still gives the Jews no right to that land! They stole that land!"
Americans are dying because of the conflict started by your religious fanatics.
Don't you mean when 7 arab lands invaded ISRAEL the DAY IT WAS CREATED in 1948?
the stealing of Palestinian lands
Don't you mean "the arab lands of the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem fully owned by Arabs (Egypt and Jordan) before 1967, yet they refused to give the Palestinians their own state?"
C'mon... i admit Israel can be really tough, too tough. And their system of gov't has a LOT that can be corrected, but anyone who says the arabs are not equally if not more responsible is in huge denial...
here they come! first we had weeks of straight anti-US comments (with Beagle, Spirit, fingerprinting, etc.), now we'll get all these irrelevant, OT anti-israel (oops, i meant anti "Israeli War Machine") comments.
dear mod... you're obviously the same guy who wasted two points now on me. I'm satisfied because a) I got to you and b) now you have 2 fewer points to mod other people down who point out blatant anti-american comments!
A lander would be WAY too complicated. What if, as some estimates say, the ice is 1 km thick? It would be way too complicated to communicate with Earth. Would it transmit to an orbiter around Europa? Tough. Would it transmit to a hub on the surface? Still tough. And you can't have a wire to connect it (again... 1,000 meters?). So, while awesome, an orbiter with penetrating radar and a very powerful lens might be the best bet for now...
yeah. no worries though. If I need to regain some karma, all I'll have to do is get an easy "+5, funny" by either:
a) making a crack about Duke Nukem Forever b) mocking U.S. metric confusion or c) saying how maybe we'll _________ if we just tell Bush there are WMDs there!
Big deal. This sort of thing happens ALL the time. Companies are always "changing their user agreement" and now are "consulting with our market directors with products we feel you might enjoy." Hell, even though I signed every "opt out" option from yahoo, I still get emails from them once every other week.
But do any of those multitude of stories make Slashdot's cover page? Hell no. But when it's the EVIL, WAR-MONGERING, FREEDOM-REPEALING U.S. GOVERNMENT (oops, i meant "police state") then it's headline news (literally).
To be fair, not all Slashdot editors post this stuff, but some editors feel they must pursue their own opinions on this news site.
For the record, I don't appreciate the anti-US comments made daily by posters, but it's one thing to comment when we users all have an even opportunity to present our case. It's another thing to abuse editorial power to post entire stories based on a one-sided ideology.
that's very interesting. If that's true then I wish it was more apparent. But as you imply, anti-US demonstrations probably make better news in Europe...
As an American who is hugely against what I precieve is enourmous anti-American sentiment in Europe today (which I feel is 95% scapegoat, 5% legitimate criticism), Jugalator, I am embarrassed by any fellow Americans who made such comments. Did Europeans make immature "Metric" jokes with Mars Climate Orbiter crashed? You bet - for 5 straight years. But it shows class when you don't stoop to youre antagonizer's level as well.
Jugulator, although to be fair, you did take a crack at NASA with a Metric joke here. Hmmm... then again I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply (correctly) pointing out that it was an embarrasing mistake, and not some blane us-bashing like we're too stupid or something.
As I said in a previous story, there was a desire to use nuclear power, but the Greens et al wouldn't allow it. (Sidenote: the Viking Landers used nuclear power and each worked for around half a decade)
Watch out man! What are you thinking!?!?! You'll be modded down for pointing out a european habit of glee with AMERICAN failures!
But don't worry, if you need to restore your karma afterwards, just make the 10,000th reply about Bush pronouncing the word "Nuke-u-lar," how NASA "is so dumb they can't tell the difference between metric and English units" or say "maybe we'll get to Mars sooner if we tell the Americans there are WMD there!" and get "+5 funny" within 2 minutes (I mean, check out the +4 and +5 funny comments over the last week)
MS has already said that Xbox2 will NOT be backwards compatible.
While I only happen to own Nintendo consoles, I don't have much experience with backwards compatability (except for a few old gameboy puzzle games and Mario Tennis which I still play on the GBA), I do have experience with the "ultimate" backwards-compatible machine... the PC. I fire up Civ II, Warcraft II, old King's Quests and Lucasarts games at least once a year.
Backwards compatability rules. PS3 is already announced to be backwards compatible, and Iwata-San has already confirmed in an interview with Famatsu that N5 will backwards compatable too. Big mistake (IMO) Bill...
Speaking of Cornell, my professor at Cornell was the Rover's principal scientist Steve Squyres (great guy and perhaps the best professor I ever had there, by the way...). He said that at one point they had considered using radiactive power cells. That woulda made the rovers last like 6 years, not up to 6 months. The Viking Landers lived from like 1976 until like 1982. Imagine how far the rover coulda crawled in 6 years! I mean, someone do the math... it woulda been amazing. Oh well, glas-half-full-and-all, 6 months is infinately better than shattering in the atmosphere/rocks...
First off, for the record, I'm American, supported the war (and voted for Gore in 2000), support Israel and I'm often pissed off at how much Anti-Americanism (oftern, but not always, different than anti-bushism) that I have seen lately.
That being said, I find these stupid NASA/ESA bashings to be so awful. Since 1999, everytime there has been a NASA story on slashdot there have been annoying and STUPID "hey, duh, maybe NASA couldn't tell the difference between metric and English units!" comments. Similarly, after Beagle 2's loss there were equally immature "Ha! Take that Europe!" comments from immature Americans.
The point is, political stuff aside, these missions benefit EVERYONE, not just the country involved. I mean, don't you WISH the russian lander made it to mars in 1996, or that the nasa polar lander landed successfully, or that Beagle 2 didn't die?
I mean, thanks to those failures, we are now maybe 150 years (arbitrary number) away from our first pictures of the surface of the ice caps, or the landscapes that Mars 96 or Beagle would have landed in. Now I doubt we'll know what the chemical basis of the polar ice is for another half-century (who knows... maybe they coulda found it to be a pretty high concentration of a substance that would help human missions for fuel, water, etc). I mean, Mars Climate Orbiter's failure lost us daily weather patterns for a foreign celestial body, but at least it gave trolls good ammunition for Anti-American comments.
So in the end, root for (your side) to win the olympics, be the one whose economy does better or for your countryperson to win the nobel peace prize. That will benefit your country and those are things that you should take pride in. But every scientist in the world has basically equally benefitted from Viking, Venera and Voyager (and especially Spirit/Opportunity - a lot of their data comes straight to the world wide web). Those missions might bring temporary clout and prestige to that country's scientists, but a year later and it's EVERYONE who benefits. That's all I gotta say...
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How are we supposed to know that any of this evidence or these results are even real?
You can't. You're a conspiracy theorist, and can't be convinced of anything.
the MER team knew the exact results that they wanted this mission to produce years before launch
And similarly, you conspiracy theorists have already decided that the Mars landings which haven't even begun being built yet are fake.
there are allot of christian, non-muslim states why dont they give away some piece of land and make that a jewish state?
Because the Jews never had a country in ancient Italy or Spain, that's why. And, fyi, the Palestinians were given their own land by the UN (something the Arabs never did for their "brothers"), but they decided to try and steal it all, and lost (and then lost again... and again... and 1 more time after that. Then they suddenly decided to whine to the world how THEIR land was "stolen")...
Who modded the parent flamebait?
Don't you know anything? Anything pro-Israel is flamebait on slashdot!
Since when is presenting actual facts, even as noted by the UN and all other governments, considred flamebait?
Again, you don't seem to know the Slashdot way. You can only side with the UN when saying things like "Hey Nasi Bush! Get out of Iraq and let the UN run things!" And you only listen to the UN when it serves anti-American or Anti-Israel purposes, like "The UN doesn't recognize this war, so the US sucks!"
Side note: both of those comments would earn you +5, funny or +5, insightful mods...
But... when it's pro-Israel or US, you ignore it, and say things like "Just because the UN voted to create a state of Israel, and 7 Arab nations defied that vote and invaded them and lost, that still gives the Jews no right to that land! They stole that land!"
one state !!!
One state? So... no Jewish state in what is the area now known as Israel. So that makes it:
Jewish States: 0
Arab (Fully Religious Muslim) States: 27
Americans are dying because of the conflict started by your religious fanatics.
Don't you mean when 7 arab lands invaded ISRAEL the DAY IT WAS CREATED in 1948?
the stealing of Palestinian lands
Don't you mean "the arab lands of the West Bank, Gaza and Jerusalem fully owned by Arabs (Egypt and Jordan) before 1967, yet they refused to give the Palestinians their own state?"
C'mon... i admit Israel can be really tough, too tough. And their system of gov't has a LOT that can be corrected, but anyone who says the arabs are not equally if not more responsible is in huge denial...
here they come! first we had weeks of straight anti-US comments (with Beagle, Spirit, fingerprinting, etc.), now we'll get all these irrelevant, OT anti-israel (oops, i meant anti "Israeli War Machine") comments.
I don't recall the Soviet Venera probes showing Venus to have a Blue Sky, sorry...
I am aware. For the record, I voted for Gore in 2000.
dear mod... you're obviously the same guy who wasted two points now on me. I'm satisfied because a) I got to you and b) now you have 2 fewer points to mod other people down who point out blatant anti-american comments!
I love it! a WAY-REPEATED joke is made, I comment on it, and I get "redundant!"
A lander would be WAY too complicated. What if, as some estimates say, the ice is 1 km thick? It would be way too complicated to communicate with Earth. Would it transmit to an orbiter around Europa? Tough. Would it transmit to a hub on the surface? Still tough. And you can't have a wire to connect it (again... 1,000 meters?). So, while awesome, an orbiter with penetrating radar and a very powerful lens might be the best bet for now...
wow. that joke is so original.
yeah. no worries though. If I need to regain some karma, all I'll have to do is get an easy "+5, funny" by either:
a) making a crack about Duke Nukem Forever
b) mocking U.S. metric confusion or
c) saying how maybe we'll _________ if we just tell Bush there are WMDs there!
Now we have PROOF of /.'s anti-US stories...
Big deal. This sort of thing happens ALL the time. Companies are always "changing their user agreement" and now are "consulting with our market directors with products we feel you might enjoy." Hell, even though I signed every "opt out" option from yahoo, I still get emails from them once every other week.
But do any of those multitude of stories make Slashdot's cover page? Hell no. But when it's the EVIL, WAR-MONGERING, FREEDOM-REPEALING U.S. GOVERNMENT (oops, i meant "police state") then it's headline news (literally).
To be fair, not all Slashdot editors post this stuff, but some editors feel they must pursue their own opinions on this news site.
For the record, I don't appreciate the anti-US comments made daily by posters, but it's one thing to comment when we users all have an even opportunity to present our case. It's another thing to abuse editorial power to post entire stories based on a one-sided ideology.
that's very interesting. If that's true then I wish it was more apparent. But as you imply, anti-US demonstrations probably make better news in Europe...
you mean Mars Climate Orbiter. Mars express is Europe's current orbiter around Mars.
As an American who is hugely against what I precieve is enourmous anti-American sentiment in Europe today (which I feel is 95% scapegoat, 5% legitimate criticism), Jugalator, I am embarrassed by any fellow Americans who made such comments. Did Europeans make immature "Metric" jokes with Mars Climate Orbiter crashed? You bet - for 5 straight years. But it shows class when you don't stoop to youre antagonizer's level as well.
Jugulator, although to be fair, you did take a crack at NASA with a Metric joke here. Hmmm... then again I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you were simply (correctly) pointing out that it was an embarrasing mistake, and not some blane us-bashing like we're too stupid or something.
As I said in a previous story, there was a desire to use nuclear power, but the Greens et al wouldn't allow it. (Sidenote: the Viking Landers used nuclear power and each worked for around half a decade)
Watch out man! What are you thinking!?!?! You'll be modded down for pointing out a european habit of glee with AMERICAN failures!
But don't worry, if you need to restore your karma afterwards, just make the 10,000th reply about Bush pronouncing the word "Nuke-u-lar," how NASA "is so dumb they can't tell the difference between metric and English units" or say "maybe we'll get to Mars sooner if we tell the Americans there are WMD there!" and get "+5 funny" within 2 minutes (I mean, check out the +4 and +5 funny comments over the last week)
MS has already said that Xbox2 will NOT be backwards compatible.
While I only happen to own Nintendo consoles, I don't have much experience with backwards compatability (except for a few old gameboy puzzle games and Mario Tennis which I still play on the GBA), I do have experience with the "ultimate" backwards-compatible machine... the PC. I fire up Civ II, Warcraft II, old King's Quests and Lucasarts games at least once a year.
Backwards compatability rules. PS3 is already announced to be backwards compatible, and Iwata-San has already confirmed in an interview with Famatsu that N5 will backwards compatable too. Big mistake (IMO) Bill...
Speaking of Cornell, my professor at Cornell was the Rover's principal scientist Steve Squyres (great guy and perhaps the best professor I ever had there, by the way...). He said that at one point they had considered using radiactive power cells. That woulda made the rovers last like 6 years, not up to 6 months. The Viking Landers lived from like 1976 until like 1982. Imagine how far the rover coulda crawled in 6 years! I mean, someone do the math... it woulda been amazing. Oh well, glas-half-full-and-all, 6 months is infinately better than shattering in the atmosphere/rocks...
only "The Landings are fake!" get moded up guys, but thanks for the support anyway... :)
my bad... 1999. I mixed MPL '99 with Mars Apex 2001 which was cancelled right after MCO and MPL's failure. Wow... wonder why i made that mistake...
My name is in a million pieces on Mars - it was on the Mars Polar Lander (2001).
:)
Cue America and European bashings...
First off, for the record, I'm American, supported the war (and voted for Gore in 2000), support Israel and I'm often pissed off at how much Anti-Americanism (oftern, but not always, different than anti-bushism) that I have seen lately.
That being said, I find these stupid NASA/ESA bashings to be so awful. Since 1999, everytime there has been a NASA story on slashdot there have been annoying and STUPID "hey, duh, maybe NASA couldn't tell the difference between metric and English units!" comments. Similarly, after Beagle 2's loss there were equally immature "Ha! Take that Europe!" comments from immature Americans.
The point is, political stuff aside, these missions benefit EVERYONE, not just the country involved. I mean, don't you WISH the russian lander made it to mars in 1996, or that the nasa polar lander landed successfully, or that Beagle 2 didn't die?
I mean, thanks to those failures, we are now maybe 150 years (arbitrary number) away from our first pictures of the surface of the ice caps, or the landscapes that Mars 96 or Beagle would have landed in. Now I doubt we'll know what the chemical basis of the polar ice is for another half-century (who knows... maybe they coulda found it to be a pretty high concentration of a substance that would help human missions for fuel, water, etc). I mean, Mars Climate Orbiter's failure lost us daily weather patterns for a foreign celestial body, but at least it gave trolls good ammunition for Anti-American comments.
So in the end, root for (your side) to win the olympics, be the one whose economy does better or for your countryperson to win the nobel peace prize. That will benefit your country and those are things that you should take pride in. But every scientist in the world has basically equally benefitted from Viking, Venera and Voyager (and especially Spirit/Opportunity - a lot of their data comes straight to the world wide web). Those missions might bring temporary clout and prestige to that country's scientists, but a year later and it's EVERYONE who benefits. That's all I gotta say...