I thought United Linux was a cool idea until SCO (which was one of the 3) started their ordeal. Then I wanted to say as far away from them as possible, that included staying away from United Linux.
the charter of Open Office or Firebird is not to create a "clone" of MS Office or Explorer, but to create a different product that targets simular markets. Seems to me when the goal of your project is to clone another, thats when problems could start.
May just be me, but its scary to hear the phrases "cloning Microsoft Windows" and GPL in the same context. Seems like we are just creating a door for legal problems.
I can't believe we are giving this much press to a six question interview. It really sounds to me like he is more interested in expressing his grudge torwards the direction Apple has gone (much the same way/.ers do towards Microsoft posts).
Apple is making money again selling their new products. They must be doing something the public wants.
wasn't throwing any theories out there. Just asking a question. I can't really try out the Desktop search since I'm a mac user so I thought I would get input from people who are using it.
I haven't played around with Google Desktop yet, but does anyone know if google keeps the index of your desktop on "Your" machine or do they radio up some of that index to their main search engine for the world to see? I doubt they would do this but has anyone found any text proving (or disproving ) this?
Another day another windows vulnerability. Looks like there are now 4 constants in life:
1) sun will rise in the East and set in the West
2) You will have to pay your taxes, one way or another
3) One day you will die.
4) there will always be another windows vulnerability
Hibernate is a Java persistance layer. Basically, you can map java objects to a database schema (doesn't matter which one comes first). If I have a table called "user", I can create a java class called "user" (or whatever I want to name it) and use that class to access the database, without writing any sql.
I've used a few different persistance frameworks and Hibernate is at the top of the game for now. If you are writing a java app that will access a database I highly suggest you take a look at it. Pure JDBC still has its place in the world, but Hibernate tends to make life a lot easer (and less messy).
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c# runs ontop of a virtual machine ? (I'm not a c# programmer). So c# runs ontop of a virtual machine that only runs on MS windows? Do I have this right?
, I now have to spend 12 precious, non-billable hours on a problem that is covered at length in 'the bible' - Howard and LeBlanc's Writing Secure Code 2.
Why do I write in ASP.NET? It is FAST
This is actually a re-occuring theme that I keep seeing. Sure ASP.NET is fast to program with "Out-of-the-box". It requires less design and with Visual Studio, less skilled developers can build apps (I'm not saying all ASP.NET developers are less skilled). But in the long run it costs you more, either when it comes time to update existing, un-designed, software or handle security problems like this.
Solaris is very mature and stable (I'm sure I'll get a bunch of posts on that one). And it maps very well to sun hardware. I'm not downing linux, but solaris is great if you need a server to be up and running all the time no matter what. Sure, it may be a little slower that other OS, but my experience is that it is as stable as a rock.
Apache isn't saying they don't want to support MS in this, they are just saying that they do not agree with the license that MS has proposed to put this technology under. If MS was to return with a license that was ok with the Apache foundation and the open source community, then I'm sure Apache would reconsider.
"WinFS, I'd be the first to say, is very ambitious. Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you richly find, move around and replicate those things."
He must have not seen the new "Spotlight" file searching feature that will be coming on MacOSX Tiger. The Tiger demo at Java One was already showing this.
I worked for an eGovernment consulting firm last year. There I worked closely will all levels of people in both state and county governments. At that level things are still VERY political and most state and local governments are experiencing VERY SERIOUS financial problems right now. A lot of IT Directors in government are choosing Open Source for the buzzword of "Free". When the board of commissioners asks the Head of IT "what are you doing to help help us save money this year" the phrase "We are creating an Open Source initiative" sounds a lot better than most other phrases, even if it really isn't saving that much money (but usually it does.
That seems strange to me since everything at Jakarta is under the "Apache License". I wonder if this is a mis-print or will jakarta really host a project that is not under their license?
BossPerson: Hey IT, our servers got hacked into and a bunch of our customer data has been stolen. There is going to be hell to pay and our customers may take legal action. This is going to cost us a fortune.
ITPerson: Dang, that sounds bad.
BossPerson: I bought you those servers you wanted me to buy, they were really expensive. How am I going to explain this to the CEO that I spent all this money and our system got hacked!
ITPerson: Right, but these are really cool servers, and I've installed all the updates.
BossPerson: I've got tell them somthing!
ITPerson: Tell them sometimes things happens.
BossPerson: I've got a better idea, I'll tell them I'm very dissapointed in my IT team, and I'm going to make sure heads roll, starting with yours, you are fired!
Yes, people who buy computers care if they can be hacked or not. Management may not undestand server technology, but they do understand that loosing data and server down time costs money
No, it is time for the Linux community to address these issues and bring Linux back up to the level of Windows.........
And by the way, I'm a cybersecurity consultant, so I know what I'm talking about.
I find that usually when people talk like this, they usually have not taken the time to actually learn how a Unix/Linux type system works. They just decide that since it doesn't have pretty gui's and may be a little more complicated and their employer isn't willing to send them to some expensive training, they it must be less secure.
I just got done working in a shop that has both Windows servers (with a full staff of MS certified admins) and linux/unix servers. I can't tell you how many times the windows boxes went down, got viruses, or for some reason or another gave us headaches... however, the Linux boxes just seem to keep humming along, never putting up a fuss. I like actual proof rather than the phrase, "I know what I'm talking about"...
Yes, a unix box can be setup to be less secure... but if you have taken the time to undestand the different parts of unix... then you are educated enough to understand "gee, maybe I shouldn't open up clear-text ftp or telnet over the internet.. someone maybe snifing my passwords, or maybe I shouldn't run this daemon as root."
Expensive software doesn't make systems secure... admins/developers who are willing to learn and make the extra effort does.
I'm really having trouble believing this.... Mac OS is really FreeBSD (Darwin) and if you are not logged in as root.... how unsecure can it be? Sure I may be able to hack into your user space (not saying I can, but someone may be able to), but I still can't modify things that are owned by root. Am I wrong?
"Microsoft reps sometimes point to Linux distributions and ask why they can get away with shipping stacks and stacks of applications without getting in trouble. "
Comparing apples and oranges. What touble is there to get into? As long as distrobutions do not break license restrictions, why shouldn't they offer their customers a solution that can meet any need at anytime. Just because Microsoft locks their customers into a high pricing game doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow.
The last 6 places I have worked have all been new projects where the first task was to pick a technology to use. In all of them we gave all different types of languages a fair shot, but in every one it always ended up being java. I think a big reason is:
Java has its fingers in almost every type of automated technology, from xml to web services to graphics to databases to GUIs to web. There is really good code out there that will cover all of those bases, a lot of it is free.
Project startup time is fast It seems to take less time to get a java project up and running. We don't have to worry about buying software and becoming a MS Certified partner so we can get discounts. Just download stuff and go. Sure project tools can get complicated in java, but most of my clients always opt for the simple approach (ant, maven, eclipse).
Less Restrictions I'm not saying java is 100% platform independent. But it does lend itself to less trouble than say, worrying about what version of MS Server will run both our new.NET apps and our old ASP pages and won't F#ck the registry between the 2. If I develop a JBoss or Tomcat app, I can develop it on Windows XP and deploy it on a Linux or Solaris server.
A huge user community! Java has a huge user community and since many are "open source centered", the tend to be very willing to help with an error message or a config problem. Several people in the Jakarta community do nothing but respond to mailing lists.
Speed is becoming less of an issue I admit, the first java was slower that anything... but they have put a lot of effort into correcting those problems and the new releases benchmark close to even c++ in most areas except trig functions. With process speeds and cheap memory this is less and less a problem.
I'm not saying java is the last language you will ever have to use... but in my opinion the benefits out-way the downfalls. If it saves money and time... then thats longer my boss can afford to pay me!
I've written small CAD clients using Java 3D and it has worked pretty well. Its really a case-by-case decision. The GUI CAD client software worked well in java but the high-end simulation software that most CAD packages also provide usually needs to be writting in a lower level language ususally because they take advantage of processor-specific math libraries. A lot of CAD packages are now moving to a client/server model where the designer will create their design on a client and send it to a server for varification.
I was looking around the SUSE site and they still give a lot of updates for prior versions. Has SUSE resisted the rapid "End-of-Life" schema that RedHat took on with the public distrobutions of RedHat?
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I thought United Linux was a cool idea until SCO (which was one of the 3) started their ordeal. Then I wanted to say as far away from them as possible, that included staying away from United Linux.
the charter of Open Office or Firebird is not to create a "clone" of MS Office or Explorer, but to create a different product that targets simular markets. Seems to me when the goal of your project is to clone another, thats when problems could start.
May just be me, but its scary to hear the phrases "cloning Microsoft Windows" and GPL in the same context. Seems like we are just creating a door for legal problems.
SCO is a "legal and management concern"
I can't believe we are giving this much press to a six question interview. It really sounds to me like he is more interested in expressing his grudge torwards the direction Apple has gone (much the same way /.ers do towards Microsoft posts).
Apple is making money again selling their new products. They must be doing something the public wants.
wasn't throwing any theories out there. Just asking a question. I can't really try out the Desktop search since I'm a mac user so I thought I would get input from people who are using it.
I haven't played around with Google Desktop yet, but does anyone know if google keeps the index of your desktop on "Your" machine or do they radio up some of that index to their main search engine for the world to see? I doubt they would do this but has anyone found any text proving (or disproving ) this?
Another day another windows vulnerability. Looks like there are now 4 constants in life:
1) sun will rise in the East and set in the West
2) You will have to pay your taxes, one way or another
3) One day you will die.
4) there will always be another windows vulnerability
Hibernate is a Java persistance layer. Basically, you can map java objects to a database schema (doesn't matter which one comes first). If I have a table called "user", I can create a java class called "user" (or whatever I want to name it) and use that class to access the database, without writing any sql. I've used a few different persistance frameworks and Hibernate is at the top of the game for now. If you are writing a java app that will access a database I highly suggest you take a look at it. Pure JDBC still has its place in the world, but Hibernate tends to make life a lot easer (and less messy).
c# runs ontop of a virtual machine ? (I'm not a c# programmer). So c# runs ontop of a virtual machine that only runs on MS windows? Do I have this right?
If so... um... why does c# exist?
, I now have to spend 12 precious, non-billable hours on a problem that is covered at length in 'the bible' - Howard and LeBlanc's Writing Secure Code 2.
Why do I write in ASP.NET? It is FAST
This is actually a re-occuring theme that I keep seeing. Sure ASP.NET is fast to program with "Out-of-the-box". It requires less design and with Visual Studio, less skilled developers can build apps (I'm not saying all ASP.NET developers are less skilled). But in the long run it costs you more, either when it comes time to update existing, un-designed, software or handle security problems like this.
Solaris is very mature and stable (I'm sure I'll get a bunch of posts on that one). And it maps very well to sun hardware. I'm not downing linux, but solaris is great if you need a server to be up and running all the time no matter what. Sure, it may be a little slower that other OS, but my experience is that it is as stable as a rock.
Apache isn't saying they don't want to support MS in this, they are just saying that they do not agree with the license that MS has proposed to put this technology under. If MS was to return with a license that was ok with the Apache foundation and the open source community, then I'm sure Apache would reconsider.
"WinFS, I'd be the first to say, is very ambitious. Nobody has ever brought together the world of documents, media and structured information in giving you one simple set of verbs that lets you richly find, move around and replicate those things."
He must have not seen the new "Spotlight" file searching feature that will be coming on MacOSX Tiger. The Tiger demo at Java One was already showing this.
I worked for an eGovernment consulting firm last year. There I worked closely will all levels of people in both state and county governments. At that level things are still VERY political and most state and local governments are experiencing VERY SERIOUS financial problems right now. A lot of IT Directors in government are choosing Open Source for the buzzword of "Free". When the board of commissioners asks the Head of IT "what are you doing to help help us save money this year" the phrase "We are creating an Open Source initiative" sounds a lot better than most other phrases, even if it really isn't saving that much money (but usually it does.
That seems strange to me since everything at Jakarta is under the "Apache License". I wonder if this is a mis-print or will jakarta really host a project that is not under their license?
We now go to somewhere in corporate America:
BossPerson: Hey IT, our servers got hacked into and a bunch of our customer data has been stolen. There is going to be hell to pay and our customers may take legal action. This is going to cost us a fortune.
ITPerson: Dang, that sounds bad.
BossPerson: I bought you those servers you wanted me to buy, they were really expensive. How am I going to explain this to the CEO that I spent all this money and our system got hacked!
ITPerson: Right, but these are really cool servers, and I've installed all the updates.
BossPerson: I've got tell them somthing!
ITPerson: Tell them sometimes things happens.
BossPerson: I've got a better idea, I'll tell them I'm very dissapointed in my IT team, and I'm going to make sure heads roll, starting with yours, you are fired!
Yes, people who buy computers care if they can be hacked or not. Management may not undestand server technology, but they do understand that loosing data and server down time costs money
No, it is time for the Linux community to address these issues and bring Linux back up to the level of Windows. .... ....
And by the way, I'm a cybersecurity consultant, so I know what I'm talking about.
I find that usually when people talk like this, they usually have not taken the time to actually learn how a Unix/Linux type system works. They just decide that since it doesn't have pretty gui's and may be a little more complicated and their employer isn't willing to send them to some expensive training, they it must be less secure.
I just got done working in a shop that has both Windows servers (with a full staff of MS certified admins) and linux/unix servers. I can't tell you how many times the windows boxes went down, got viruses, or for some reason or another gave us headaches... however, the Linux boxes just seem to keep humming along, never putting up a fuss. I like actual proof rather than the phrase, "I know what I'm talking about"...
Yes, a unix box can be setup to be less secure... but if you have taken the time to undestand the different parts of unix... then you are educated enough to understand "gee, maybe I shouldn't open up clear-text ftp or telnet over the internet.. someone maybe snifing my passwords, or maybe I shouldn't run this daemon as root."
Expensive software doesn't make systems secure... admins/developers who are willing to learn and make the extra effort does.
I'm really having trouble believing this.... Mac OS is really FreeBSD (Darwin) and if you are not logged in as root.... how unsecure can it be? Sure I may be able to hack into your user space (not saying I can, but someone may be able to), but I still can't modify things that are owned by root. Am I wrong?
"Microsoft reps sometimes point to Linux distributions and ask why they can get away with shipping stacks and stacks of applications without getting in trouble. "
Comparing apples and oranges. What touble is there to get into? As long as distrobutions do not break license restrictions, why shouldn't they offer their customers a solution that can meet any need at anytime. Just because Microsoft locks their customers into a high pricing game doesn't mean the rest of the world has to follow.
Java has its fingers in almost every type of automated technology, from xml to web services to graphics to databases to GUIs to web. There is really good code out there that will cover all of those bases, a lot of it is free.
Project startup time is fast It seems to take less time to get a java project up and running. We don't have to worry about buying software and becoming a MS Certified partner so we can get discounts. Just download stuff and go. Sure project tools can get complicated in java, but most of my clients always opt for the simple approach (ant, maven, eclipse).
Less Restrictions I'm not saying java is 100% platform independent. But it does lend itself to less trouble than say, worrying about what version of MS Server will run both our new .NET apps and our old ASP pages and won't F#ck the registry between the 2. If I develop a JBoss or Tomcat app, I can develop it on Windows XP and deploy it on a Linux or Solaris server.
A huge user community! Java has a huge user community and since many are "open source centered", the tend to be very willing to help with an error message or a config problem. Several people in the Jakarta community do nothing but respond to mailing lists.
Speed is becoming less of an issue I admit, the first java was slower that anything... but they have put a lot of effort into correcting those problems and the new releases benchmark close to even c++ in most areas except trig functions. With process speeds and cheap memory this is less and less a problem.
I'm not saying java is the last language you will ever have to use... but in my opinion the benefits out-way the downfalls. If it saves money and time... then thats longer my boss can afford to pay me!
I've written small CAD clients using Java 3D and it has worked pretty well. Its really a case-by-case decision. The GUI CAD client software worked well in java but the high-end simulation software that most CAD packages also provide usually needs to be writting in a lower level language ususally because they take advantage of processor-specific math libraries. A lot of CAD packages are now moving to a client/server model where the designer will create their design on a client and send it to a server for varification.
"I know large ships are often sunk as artificial reefs.
How cool would it be to sink a Saturn V rocket as an artificial reef!"
Hmmm.. and why we are at it we can just burn all of the history books and art with it. Don't destroy history, it teaches us how to live the future.
This is part of a quote from Microsoft about random client files being lost forever on their Hotmail.com servers.
"Frankly, it's understandable. There are always going to be glitches that lead to data loss."
need I say more...
I was looking around the SUSE site and they still give a lot of updates for prior versions. Has SUSE resisted the rapid "End-of-Life" schema that RedHat took on with the public distrobutions of RedHat?