They passed on Java because FreeBSD is crappy?
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According to the slides, the only negative thing they had to say about Java (J2EE / JSP / etc.) is that FreeBSD has really lousy thread support (and proper J2EE solutions require threading)...
To me, that seems like a really stupid, short-sighted way to approach the problem. If Java is the best solution for them (which I think it would be), then why not move to an operating system that properly supports it?
Why hamstring yourself to an inferior solution just because you don't want to give up FreeBSD? That's like complaining that your Pinto is too slow -- but you'd rather fill it with Premium gas to get a little performance boost instead of getting a better car.
And what's up with 4500 servers? What a nightmare! Who in their right mind would want to deploy and manage 4500 servers? If they were really serious about this, they'd upgrade to a couple dozen big-iron IBM mainframes (like one of these!), where it can run hundreds of virtual Linux instances (if needed)...
I guess it goes back to the old saying "When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail"...
What kind of hateful, spiteful comment is that? And why hasn't anyone else challenged this drivel?
Replace "Mormon" with any other religion (say, Jews, or Muslims), and you'd have an uproar, with angry charges of racism and bigotry being flung about at a torrid pace.
Just like racial discrimination against white people is the only "acceptable" discrimination these days, picking on the poor Mormons is the only "acceptable" form of religious discrimination, right?
What if someone declared open season on your a$$ ??? Would you still think it to be funny?
Yes, you are the only one who sees this. The "Escape from NY/LA" movies portrayed those cities as free-for-all zones because they were PRISONS, not free, open communities...
>> I don't have a 4600 pound magnet, (you insensitive clod), but that doesn't meant I don't want a 4600 pound magnet!
Really? Hmmm... looks like it is time to start sending off those "Need a bigger magnet? Add 3 to 4 tons to your magnet OVERNIGHT" spams.... I'll make a killing!
ClearCase isn't slow -- it must have been your particular setup. If you're seeing slowdowns by a factor of 10, you have serious problems with your network or ClearCase configuration. I've been using it for a few years now, and I've never seen anything like this.
Even if there are file slowdowns involved, the advanced capabilities provided by ClearCase more than make up for it. I pity those people using CVS on large/complicated projects, just because they (a) don't know any better, or (b) are too cheap to pony up the cash for ClearCase...
Slashdotters, the shining example of bad grammar, incoherent sentences and profound inability to spell a word correctly, are complaining about kids in school using jargon...
That's a very old song I first heard on Dr. Demento - I don't know if it is still playing... Of course, most of the slashdot population has probably never heard of the song, which is why you haven't been modded up as funny:)
I guess so... The editors keep rejecting my article on how open source is hurting small software vendors -- and instead, they prefer to re-post the same drivel of "open source will save the world" that they post every day...
Just like good little communists, slashot always manages to supress the alternate view...
Being in high school, you obviously don't have a proper perspective on what is and is not important in life. Not everyone needs to know all the "parts" in a computer, or what a BIOS is, or the difference between Linux, Macs and Windows. That's myopic.
Computers are tools, nothing more. You need to know how to USE them; knowing how they work internally is of very little importance to most people (as it should be). Click-type-click-type is pretty much what most people should know about computers....
It is far more important that schools teach basic skills, like math, english (just look at the atrocious spelling and grammar here on slashdot!) and critical thinking, than anything else.
Taking your viewpoint and turning it around, how would you like to be forced to take auto shop (and proving that you can recognize all the parts of a transmission) before being allowed to get a driver's license? Doesn't make sense, does it?
You should always keep in mind that it is more important to know how to use a tool properly, than to understand how it works internally.
Part of the reason that Sprint canceled their ION service was that the local telcos were screwing them over when it came to provisioning customer lines. When I had ION installed, the local telco told me it would take them 30 days to install a "conditioned" line that was suitable for ION....
Of course, when I called the telco the next day to inquire about their own DSL service, the "conditioned line" could be installed the next day....
In the end, it did take 3 weeks to get ION installed, and it was far better service than anything that DSL could provide.... I really miss ION:(
Why is anyone surprised by this? After all, practically none of the dot coms had a viable business model -- it was all "get customers now and make it up later (on volume!). The only thing that made it possible in the first place was the billions upon billions of dollars that venture captial threw into the pot...
As the article mentioned, the things that are working well on the web are the same things that work well (from a financial standpoint) in real life: selling pr0n and ripping people off. Only with the web, you can reach a MUCH wider audience (such as under-age boys [sub-18] with the pr0n -- all without fear of prosecution). After all, no one in their right mind would stand outside a middle school trying to sell copies of porno magazines -- he'd be arrested (and most likely hung) in quick fashion.
But with the web (and spam), these sleazeballs are allowed to advertise to a group that was previously off-limits. The rest is basic economics: increase the size of your target audience, increase your sales...
The same thing goes for ripping people off: you're able to reach a wider audience. Slap together a slick web page, and you give yourself an air of legitimacy -- all the better to draw in the stupid and gullible.
The internet is not making people more stupid, and isn't contributing to the demise of society... It is merely bringing the existing stupidity and lack of culture to the forefront of society, instead of letting it hide in dark corners... It is making depravity more visible, that's all.
$100/hr for simple EJB work, eh? You could be easily replaced by thousands of people who can do the same job for half the price (or less)... No, it is not a low rate. It's an obscenely high rate in today's economy. It was normal a couple of years ago, but not any longer...
Or are you just happy that all these "free" open source projects are allowing you to screw your customer with excessively high bill rates???
More likely, you're getting paid to perform a particular task for your client -- and it really doesn't matter that all of your technologies are open source. If they're paying you $20,000 a month for your work, they could easily afford to pony up the small license fees for commercial web servers, ejb servers (like Websphere or Weblogic), etc...
Those open source products are merely the tools you're using -- they aren't the reason you have a job.
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According to the slides, the only negative thing they had to say about Java (J2EE / JSP / etc.) is that FreeBSD has really lousy thread support (and proper J2EE solutions require threading)...
To me, that seems like a really stupid, short-sighted way to approach the problem. If Java is the best solution for them (which I think it would be), then why not move to an operating system that properly supports it?
Why hamstring yourself to an inferior solution just because you don't want to give up FreeBSD? That's like complaining that your Pinto is too slow -- but you'd rather fill it with Premium gas to get a little performance boost instead of getting a better car.
And what's up with 4500 servers? What a nightmare! Who in their right mind would want to deploy and manage 4500 servers? If they were really serious about this, they'd upgrade to a couple dozen big-iron IBM mainframes (like one of these!), where it can run hundreds of virtual Linux instances (if needed)...
I guess it goes back to the old saying "When you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail"...
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Someone set up us the renewal....
(Renew now for great justice!)
Or possibly a binladen molecule?
What kind of hateful, spiteful comment is that? And why hasn't anyone else challenged this drivel?
Replace "Mormon" with any other religion (say, Jews, or Muslims), and you'd have an uproar, with angry charges of racism and bigotry being flung about at a torrid pace.
Just like racial discrimination against white people is the only "acceptable" discrimination these days, picking on the poor Mormons is the only "acceptable" form of religious discrimination, right?
What if someone declared open season on your a$$ ??? Would you still think it to be funny?
Yes, you are the only one who sees this. The "Escape from NY/LA" movies portrayed those cities as free-for-all zones because they were PRISONS, not free, open communities...
>> I don't have a 4600 pound magnet, (you insensitive clod), but that doesn't meant I don't want a 4600 pound magnet!
Really? Hmmm... looks like it is time to start sending off those "Need a bigger magnet? Add 3 to 4 tons to your magnet OVERNIGHT" spams.... I'll make a killing!
ClearCase isn't slow -- it must have been your particular setup. If you're seeing slowdowns by a factor of 10, you have serious problems with your network or ClearCase configuration. I've been using it for a few years now, and I've never seen anything like this.
Even if there are file slowdowns involved, the advanced capabilities provided by ClearCase more than make up for it. I pity those people using CVS on large/complicated projects, just because they (a) don't know any better, or (b) are too cheap to pony up the cash for ClearCase...
What a hoot!
Slashdotters, the shining example of bad grammar, incoherent sentences and profound inability to spell a word correctly, are complaining about kids in school using jargon...
Do as I say, not as I do, eh?
>> I work for an Canadian ISP's helldesk
Stressed out a little at work, eh?
That's a very old song I first heard on Dr. Demento - I don't know if it is still playing... Of course, most of the slashdot population has probably never heard of the song, which is why you haven't been modded up as funny :)
Great link!
I guess so... The editors keep rejecting my article on how open source is hurting small software vendors -- and instead, they prefer to re-post the same drivel of "open source will save the world" that they post every day...
Just like good little communists, slashot always manages to supress the alternate view...
What is wrong with you? Real men don't post that kind of stupidity -- especially not as an AC...
Being in high school, you obviously don't have a proper perspective on what is and is not important in life. Not everyone needs to know all the "parts" in a computer, or what a BIOS is, or the difference between Linux, Macs and Windows. That's myopic.
Computers are tools, nothing more. You need to know how to USE them; knowing how they work internally is of very little importance to most people (as it should be). Click-type-click-type is pretty much what most people should know about computers....
It is far more important that schools teach basic skills, like math, english (just look at the atrocious spelling and grammar here on slashdot!) and critical thinking, than anything else.
Taking your viewpoint and turning it around, how would you like to be forced to take auto shop (and proving that you can recognize all the parts of a transmission) before being allowed to get a driver's license? Doesn't make sense, does it?
You should always keep in mind that it is more important to know how to use a tool properly, than to understand how it works internally.
It's called "Form over substance". Get used to it. Corporate America is based on it... :(
Part of the reason that Sprint canceled their ION service was that the local telcos were screwing them over when it came to provisioning customer lines. When I had ION installed, the local telco told me it would take them 30 days to install a "conditioned" line that was suitable for ION....
:(
Of course, when I called the telco the next day to inquire about their own DSL service, the "conditioned line" could be installed the next day....
In the end, it did take 3 weeks to get ION installed, and it was far better service than anything that DSL could provide.... I really miss ION
The new icons are ugly. I liked the old ones much better....
My mistake -- thanks for the clarification :)
Who needs size small????
(What do you think those spare twist-ties are for?)
Of course the profits are in the gutter -- they're attached to people's minds, so they _must_ follow....
Why is anyone surprised by this? After all, practically none of the dot coms had a viable business model -- it was all "get customers now and make it up later (on volume!). The only thing that made it possible in the first place was the billions upon billions of dollars that venture captial threw into the pot...
As the article mentioned, the things that are working well on the web are the same things that work well (from a financial standpoint) in real life: selling pr0n and ripping people off. Only with the web, you can reach a MUCH wider audience (such as under-age boys [sub-18] with the pr0n -- all without fear of prosecution). After all, no one in their right mind would stand outside a middle school trying to sell copies of porno magazines -- he'd be arrested (and most likely hung) in quick fashion.
But with the web (and spam), these sleazeballs are allowed to advertise to a group that was previously off-limits. The rest is basic economics: increase the size of your target audience, increase your sales...
The same thing goes for ripping people off: you're able to reach a wider audience. Slap together a slick web page, and you give yourself an air of legitimacy -- all the better to draw in the stupid and gullible.
The internet is not making people more stupid, and isn't contributing to the demise of society... It is merely bringing the existing stupidity and lack of culture to the forefront of society, instead of letting it hide in dark corners... It is making depravity more visible, that's all.
Haven't seen the goatse links, eh? Trust me, you're better off not knowing....
Really, you are...
Hey, this is slashdot. There's no room for truth here... Only biased conjecture, poor spelling and grammar.... and goatse links :)
$100/hr for simple EJB work, eh? You could be easily replaced by thousands of people who can do the same job for half the price (or less)... No, it is not a low rate. It's an obscenely high rate in today's economy. It was normal a couple of years ago, but not any longer...
Or are you just happy that all these "free" open source projects are allowing you to screw your customer with excessively high bill rates???
More likely, you're getting paid to perform a particular task for your client -- and it really doesn't matter that all of your technologies are open source. If they're paying you $20,000 a month for your work, they could easily afford to pony up the small license fees for commercial web servers, ejb servers (like Websphere or Weblogic), etc...
Those open source products are merely the tools you're using -- they aren't the reason you have a job.