I'm not sure I understand the concern. This man is simply advocating a policy that has been in place on a national and state level for decades. Since the level of outrage never reached a dull roar, I'm sure they just assumed everyone was ok with the practice.
Or is this one of those "first they came for the blacks and the anarchists" moments for you.
I think part of our problem is that we're seeing Google's reaction as a sudden and surprising about-face, rather than the end result of years of douchebaggery on the part of the Chinese govt. Western business has finally woken up to the fact that outsourcing production to a country that will simply take your IP just isn't a very smart move. Couple that with a weak and insular chinese domestic market (see Google vs. Baidu), rapid growth based on easy access to loans (and we all know how THAT turns out), and you get a market that, while large, is just too risky and volatile.
This doesn't even take into account the lack of rule of law. Do you really want to risk doing business in a country where your competitors can have you imprisoned?
Ferrets are widely known to promote blood circulation, asshole. One of the landmark studies compared the orgonocephalic health of a man with a ferret strapped to his head against that of a control subject*, with many interesting results.
No, it does, however, raise the possibility of holy tech support. Prayer circles praying for your tech problems to be solved, for a small fee, of course.
And this is different than most tech support plans how, exactly?
This is, of course, predicated on you believing AGW. Which appears to be up for debate. Significantly.
Only if you're a conservative American. Curiously enough that's about the same demographic that still believes the earth is 6000 years old.
Seriously, guys. You were all saying that GW didn't exist a few years ago. Now it exists but isn't manmade. In 10 years you'll be saying that it exists, is manmade, but we can't do anything about it. Do you ever have a thought glennn beck doesn't think first?
This. The idea that any group of scientists could march in lockstep on any idea is totally laughable. It shows an absolute lack of understanding of the environment they work in. "Highly competitive" is such a polite way to describe bitter infighting, jealousy, backstabbing politics, and in some cases out and out hatred.
Do you show up at concerts, and, when the ticket window is unwilling to let you inside for free, do you describe that experience as "those guys are trying to take away my right to listen to music"?
Well, we used to rush the gates, but it seems like everyone in america had their balls removed at some point in the past decade.
Actually, it just seems like we're more pro-authority than we ever have been.
One of the best moments of my programming career was when my boss came over and said he hated to see me with my feet up and hands interlaced behind my head (the classic 'kicking back' pose). My manager interjected with "right now he is earning the money you pay him".
So rare to get a manager that understands the process.
I would argue that just because you don't like the gaming offerings out there, it doesn't give the 'right' to get what you want.
I think this is the central point of this argument. I believe we're being placed in a position where different definitions of 'ownership' are being tested on us.
What is needed, IMHO, is a proactive declaration of the rights and expectations that digitally connected citizens and consumers of electronics enjoy. The EULA system we currently use is fundamentally flawed.
I suppose being a computer scientist in and of itself doesn't make me a scientist
Correct. It makes you (hopefully) some kind of engineer. "Computer Science" is a horrible, horrible term. There are plenty of scientists who work with computers, and there are plenty who work on computers, but none of them would call themselves computer scientists any more than a biologist would call himself a Microscope Scientist.
The plain fact is that the emails revealed the extent to which the "Hockey Team" were prepared to pervert data, methods, peer review and the scientific method in order to get the result they wanted.
I'm really hoping that slashdot gets rid of the politics section. I hate having the scientific illiteracy of my country rubbed in my face every other day.
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"I don't make much money and have three children. Where else am I going to buy my new TV?"
That should be pretty obvious, since treason now means "something I don't like."
I'm not sure I understand the concern. This man is simply advocating a policy that has been in place on a national and state level for decades. Since the level of outrage never reached a dull roar, I'm sure they just assumed everyone was ok with the practice.
Or is this one of those "first they came for the blacks and the anarchists" moments for you.
Taboo is the wrong word to use here, as it has a specific meaning when talking about societies. I think 'hard-on' is probably more appropriate.
I think part of our problem is that we're seeing Google's reaction as a sudden and surprising about-face, rather than the end result of years of douchebaggery on the part of the Chinese govt. Western business has finally woken up to the fact that outsourcing production to a country that will simply take your IP just isn't a very smart move. Couple that with a weak and insular chinese domestic market (see Google vs. Baidu), rapid growth based on easy access to loans (and we all know how THAT turns out), and you get a market that, while large, is just too risky and volatile.
This doesn't even take into account the lack of rule of law. Do you really want to risk doing business in a country where your competitors can have you imprisoned?
...unless you want to cook the user holding the phone at the same time.
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
Are you going to make me mod you down?
Oh wait. Dang.
I wonder if opium still sells well...
Ferrets are widely known to promote blood circulation, asshole. One of the landmark studies compared the orgonocephalic health of a man with a ferret strapped to his head against that of a control subject*, with many interesting results.
* tube sock full of mice
It's not idle material if you're interested in anthropology. Maybe you could just scroll past articles you don't want to read?
No, it does, however, raise the possibility of holy tech support. Prayer circles praying for your tech problems to be solved, for a small fee, of course.
And this is different than most tech support plans how, exactly?
Peter Porker.
I'd agree, but on the other hand this guy is essentially doing their job for them. For free.
This is, of course, predicated on you believing AGW. Which appears to be up for debate. Significantly.
Only if you're a conservative American. Curiously enough that's about the same demographic that still believes the earth is 6000 years old.
Seriously, guys. You were all saying that GW didn't exist a few years ago. Now it exists but isn't manmade. In 10 years you'll be saying that it exists, is manmade, but we can't do anything about it. Do you ever have a thought glennn beck doesn't think first?
No, the problem is, as pointed out in the subtext of your post, a failing educational system.
This is your side of the argument.
This. The idea that any group of scientists could march in lockstep on any idea is totally laughable. It shows an absolute lack of understanding of the environment they work in. "Highly competitive" is such a polite way to describe bitter infighting, jealousy, backstabbing politics, and in some cases out and out hatred.
Do you show up at concerts, and, when the ticket window is unwilling to let you inside for free, do you describe that experience as "those guys are trying to take away my right to listen to music"?
Well, we used to rush the gates, but it seems like everyone in america had their balls removed at some point in the past decade.
Actually, it just seems like we're more pro-authority than we ever have been.
I saw someone strike that pose during a job interview...guess who didn't get the job.
Well he shouldn't have been juggling a three dimensional array while someone was asking him what his biggest weakness was.
One of the best moments of my programming career was when my boss came over and said he hated to see me with my feet up and hands interlaced behind my head (the classic 'kicking back' pose). My manager interjected with "right now he is earning the money you pay him".
So rare to get a manager that understands the process.
Which was, in fact, the joke. Or meta-joke. Ok, now I'm confused.
I would argue that just because you don't like the gaming offerings out there, it doesn't give the 'right' to get what you want.
I think this is the central point of this argument. I believe we're being placed in a position where different definitions of 'ownership' are being tested on us.
What is needed, IMHO, is a proactive declaration of the rights and expectations that digitally connected citizens and consumers of electronics enjoy. The EULA system we currently use is fundamentally flawed.
Carly Fiorina was the gift that just keeps on giving, wasn't she.
Proof positive that it only takes one person to destroy decades of other people's work.
I suppose being a computer scientist in and of itself doesn't make me a scientist
Correct. It makes you (hopefully) some kind of engineer. "Computer Science" is a horrible, horrible term. There are plenty of scientists who work with computers, and there are plenty who work on computers, but none of them would call themselves computer scientists any more than a biologist would call himself a Microscope Scientist.
The plain fact is that the emails revealed the extent to which the "Hockey Team" were prepared to pervert data, methods, peer review and the scientific method in order to get the result they wanted.
I'm really hoping that slashdot gets rid of the politics section. I hate having the scientific illiteracy of my country rubbed in my face every other day.