I'm really not sure I believe that statistic. Source code almost always compiles to be MUCH SMALLER then original code (machine language is more compact byte for byte then human languages). It depends on the language and program of course, A quick look at my win2k disk shows its about 300 megs in total. If they really have 10GB of windows source code like they claim, then thats a 35x time ration which seems WAY too high to me. In my experience as a programmer the ratio is more like between 2-4 times. Meaning I would expect 600 megs of code to produce between 150 - 300 megs of executables.
This being said, I can't get my grubby hands on the source code in question so this is all speculation:)
and they dont count underemployment. I know alot of engineers who are flipping burgers and selling stereos burdened by student loans (which survive bankrupcy!).
Penis farmer: "Looks like a really big crop this year, ma. Those African ones we planted are sure a mite bigger than the European variety..."
Actually studies have shown *average* african american penises are slightly smaller then caucasian penises but have a larger variance. And we always have ron jeremy:)
entry.S reference they've made, going by the code comments, refers to code which switches an i386 back into user mode following a system call. (guess mode - the set of assembly mnemonics to put an i386 into user mode is likely to be very standard; the default code was probably provided free of charge by Intel years and years ago, and probably found it's way into every i386 memory-protected OS written!).
The same seems true of traps.c. The main.c lines are just some includes and some static declarations
I happen to have a copy of "80386 System Software Writer's Guide" by Intel on my desk (ala 1987). This book provides a framework for OS development on the 386 and alot of code to boot. If the entry.S code is derived from Intel code it would be in this book or a later edition. The idea is really not that far fetched. Writing protected mode entry/exit code is at best tedious and entirely unnecessary as intel not only provided code, but in most cases the optimal solutions to the problem as no one understood the nuances of protected mode better then them.
You know this is what I hate about slashdot. Well, theres lots to hate, lets just say this ranks high.
A guy sticks his neck out to offer the advice this guy really needs to hear, and gets reamed for it. God forbid someone think linux isn't the answer to every problem, macs might suck a little, and a guy shouldn't invest 7g into an apartment building.
Outsourcing of this and other industries will lead to economic ruin in the US. Why? A healthy economy requires a large, healthy middle class. Outsourcing always harms the middle class, what is left after outsourcing is low-pay service jobs (working poor), and very happy investors. If the trend continues, there will come a time when consumers in the US cannot *SUPPORT* the same business who are outsourcing their jobs. Capitalism will *ALWAYS* sell you the rope to hang yourself with.
Not only that, they dont understand one of the core motivations of an open source developer: self determination.
You know what I do all day at "work"? I write python code. Python happens to be my favorite language but I HATE GOD DAMNED DATABASE PROGRAMMING. Guess what though? It pays the bills:)
When i work on open source software, I want to do something I believe in or something I'm good at or something that I want to see done. Not something the NSA wants to see done, thats alot like "work" and alot less like a hobby:)
Thats pretty much standard practice:( When I was at UC Riverside the tuition was a very reasonable 800$ or so a quarter, but there were tons of fees, student center fee, athletics fee (even though I was an engineering major), fee's for participation in ceartin sports leagues I dont even understand. By the time you were done it was 1300$. Then my senior year (well, 3rd senior year technically:-) they declared that everyone would pay an extra, IIRC 150$ a quarter for MANDATORY HEALTH COVERAGE. You could get an exemption if you had health coverage, but they people processing it were belligerent. They lost my application and they insisted that the ONLY thing I could do was pay the fee this quarter, and reapply next quarter (I know they recieved it because they processed my BROTHERS application which was in the same envelope). All this is in addition to the 120$ or so dollars per quarter for parking (which was almost a mile away!)
Long story short, this is pretty much business as usual for universities.
Thats normal business in this world my friend:)
However, I'd like to take a moment to disagree with your agreement with the article. I own 5 mp3 players, I have a few thoughts on the issue:)
The ipod mini is a worst of both worlds solution, its a shitty hard drive player, not a good flash player. People buy flash players to excercise with or when they need really high battery life, otherwise there is really no reason to have on as they cost more and do less. With the ipod mini you get NEITHER of those advantadges, but you still get to pay for them. Saying its designed to compete with flash players is classic corporate double-speak.
The price comparison would be best described as bad faith. Where are the cheap HD players on that list? The Dell player (224$ - 269$)? Oh thats right, the ipod only looks like a good deal when you compare the ipod to small units which are flash based.
True story. I was once asked by Qualcomm interviewing for a 1 month TEMP POSITION. "Where do you see yourself in five years?" I said, "Not working for qualcomm for 4 years, 11 months":)
Actually, its not meant to be any of those things. AOL has introduced me to chicks who I have later had sex with. So whatever kind of lamers use aol, I'm happy to be one of them:)
Those little ear radios are great. When I was in college (and thus could afford not to pay attention) I used to put a portable cd player+fm transmitter in my backpack and then listen to it "wireless" on the ear radio. Problem was the SHITTY battery operated fm transmitters always seemed to drift (the only good ones are the fixed frequency car ones).
What we need to do is find out who has the power to prosecute and start lobbying. If history is any guide though, that person will be a republican >grin
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This being said, I can't get my grubby hands on the source code in question so this is all speculation :)
Could this be a ploy to spur Win2k+3 updates? Blame the hackers for making win2k insecure. Oops you gotta upgrade now, sorry,
and they dont count underemployment. I know alot of engineers who are flipping burgers and selling stereos burdened by student loans (which survive bankrupcy!).
Actually studies have shown *average* african american penises are slightly smaller then caucasian penises but have a larger variance. And we always have ron jeremy :)
Someone mod this guy up.
I happen to have a copy of "80386 System Software Writer's Guide" by Intel on my desk (ala 1987). This book provides a framework for OS development on the 386 and alot of code to boot. If the entry.S code is derived from Intel code it would be in this book or a later edition. The idea is really not that far fetched. Writing protected mode entry/exit code is at best tedious and entirely unnecessary as intel not only provided code, but in most cases the optimal solutions to the problem as no one understood the nuances of protected mode better then them.
A guy sticks his neck out to offer the advice this guy really needs to hear, and gets reamed for it. God forbid someone think linux isn't the answer to every problem, macs might suck a little, and a guy shouldn't invest 7g into an apartment building.
Outsourcing of this and other industries will lead to economic ruin in the US. Why? A healthy economy requires a large, healthy middle class. Outsourcing always harms the middle class, what is left after outsourcing is low-pay service jobs (working poor), and very happy investors. If the trend continues, there will come a time when consumers in the US cannot *SUPPORT* the same business who are outsourcing their jobs. Capitalism will *ALWAYS* sell you the rope to hang yourself with.
Pity please :)
You know what I do all day at "work"? I write python code. Python happens to be my favorite language but I HATE GOD DAMNED DATABASE PROGRAMMING. Guess what though? It pays the bills :)
When i work on open source software, I want to do something I believe in or something I'm good at or something that I want to see done. Not something the NSA wants to see done, thats alot like "work" and alot less like a hobby :)
Could some kind gentlemen reply to this post with the article text? Groklaw is lost and gone forever :)
Didjya ever sit and think about the name "Eclipse" for a minute? It was pretty obvious sun was scared when they started bundling netbeans with java.
It's simply a statement of fact my overzealous friend :)
Long story short, this is pretty much business as usual for universities.
Read: Microsoft. IMHO that was a *direct* reference to them
The ipod mini is a worst of both worlds solution, its a shitty hard drive player, not a good flash player. People buy flash players to excercise with or when they need really high battery life, otherwise there is really no reason to have on as they cost more and do less. With the ipod mini you get NEITHER of those advantadges, but you still get to pay for them. Saying its designed to compete with flash players is classic corporate double-speak.
The price comparison would be best described as bad faith. Where are the cheap HD players on that list? The Dell player (224$ - 269$)? Oh thats right, the ipod only looks like a good deal when you compare the ipod to small units which are flash based.
True story. I was once asked by Qualcomm interviewing for a 1 month TEMP POSITION. "Where do you see yourself in five years?" I said, "Not working for qualcomm for 4 years, 11 months" :)
Actually, its not meant to be any of those things. AOL has introduced me to chicks who I have later had sex with. So whatever kind of lamers use aol, I'm happy to be one of them :)
Not kidding. Aol has gotten me laid a number of times, and thats AOK with me.
ohHHH those look cool to. I think I'm going to ebay some and build a stand for my speak-n-spell :)
Do you recall those spheres that had 6 hexagonal connectors? You could build robots and space stations out of them ... now thats a toy!
I knew a guy who had passed the Java certification and never written a SINGLE line of java code.
Do you work for the bush administration? I swear I've hard this dogma before :)
Those little ear radios are great. When I was in college (and thus could afford not to pay attention) I used to put a portable cd player+fm transmitter in my backpack and then listen to it "wireless" on the ear radio. Problem was the SHITTY battery operated fm transmitters always seemed to drift (the only good ones are the fixed frequency car ones).
What we need to do is find out who has the power to prosecute and start lobbying. If history is any guide though, that person will be a republican >grin