"What you should have offered as evidence would be something like stats comparing teenage violence in the 50s to today. However the stats show the opposite, more violence, so the evidence does not support your conclusion."
No, actually violence among adolescents has decreased significantly based on DoJ statistics. See the fisrt graph here which at least goes back to the early 70's. Haven't found anything going back to the 50's yet. Where do you get the idea teenage violence was lower in the 50's?
The 70s is not a good data point. That it well within the timeframe where movies, TV, music, etc, and the violence depicted within, became more of a factor. Hence the reference to the 50s where things were more sanitized, viewing hours were fewer, etc.
Note that I'm not saying we should return to sanitized media, just that more violent media may very well have an impact. The military certainly thinks so and leverages that for training purposes.
The thing is, society will always have a scapegoat. First books corrupted children, then it was rock and roll, then violent movies, and now it's video games. Every single time that people complained about all of these things, they used the same arguments. And yet all of these activities are now normal forms of entertainment. This will indeed stop after a while. Until there's a more viable choice for a scapegoat, that is.
Your statement makes no sense logically. The fact that these activities are now normal does not demonstrate whether or not these activities promote violence. What you should have offered as evidence would be something like stats comparing teenage violence in the 50s to today. However the stats show the opposite, more violence, so the evidence does not support your conclusion.
US Army psychological warfare researchers showed Nazi propoganda films to combat vets and found that they were more open to Nazi ideas.
When I was in ROTC they showed us a Marine Corp training film that was unedited color footage of the Marine's assault on the island of Tarawa. I think some of the scenes in the opening of Saving Private Ryan were inspired by this film. The instructor told us that the purpose was desensitisation.
Movies do not make someone go out and commit a particular act but they do increase or decrease the propensity to commit the act. Games most likely have a similar affect.
Because some of us come home at 7 and can't start the waiting game at 6:30?
OK, start at 7:00, go to the bathroom, eat a snack, etc, play by 7:30.
Guild Wars is great, but not a MMORG, no massive
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The countryside is instanced, so you don't run into other players out just exploring unless you've grouped with them (but, really, how useful is that ANYWAY?).
Don't misunderstand, Guild War is a great game, but it is not a MMORG. There is no "massive", except in chat. Diablo II would be a more accurate match, not World of Warcraft.
"'Considering they would wiretap innocent Americans without a warrant...'
The Republicans did that for Al Quaeda suspects. The Democrats did that for Martin Luther King Jr."
That's the new face of Republican "personal resonsibility" values: if the Republicans screw up, accuse the Democrats of doing it years and years ago...
Not at all, and I'm not even a republican (that's one of the reasons your attack the messenger tactic is poor). The GP tried to dismiss the Rep and Dem differences as merely being a matter of time when it is far more than that. Also, I realize some folks are running on speculation and political opportunism but I'm kind of waiting to see who the pres was spying on. I don't think it's been shown who was getting wiretapped, IF (big IF) it was truly only people who were on the line with a legit al quaeda suspect then there is no abuse. I'm waiting to see what the congressional and other investigations find.
We are a wealthy real estate company getting hit with a lot of viruses. Could you please post a phony news story about our plight, that way your zombie hoard of misanthropic programmers will code a free solution for us; for free! Ooops, gotta go, just sold another $8,000,000.00 house in La Jolla and we have to pick up our 8% commission.
Thanks,
Your Friends in the real estate business.
Why not, look at all the free stuff they've already coded up for them?
Did I miss something in the GPL about a poverty requirement? Or a minimum consulting hour cover charge? As far as I know you only have to give back changes you distribute. Maybe it's something new in v3.
Oh there is profit. But the profit is in services, not a software copy.
As I wrote before, GPL based projects are not capitalistic since they dictate in what manner a company may or may not pursue profit. Again, "counterculture" not "indy".
Not to start a big flame war or anything, but doesn't invading other countries kind of encourage aggressive behavior?
Nope. I was in elementary school during the Vietnam War. I recall seeing fragments of combat footage on the news. When friends and I played violent games we did not emulate or act out the news footage, we emulated TV and movies of the early 70s. Play was World War II themed, SWAT themed, etc. One friend's mom didn't allow toy guns, no problem his dad's old discarded golf clubs were fine stand-ins for rifles and shotguns. I don't find it hard to believe that games have an affect similar to TV and movies. Music videos too, they are kind of mini-movies.
So my friends and I engaged in violent themed play at early ages.
Later got into punk and metal.
Man, how did we wind boring hard working tax paying law abiding citizens when we were so conditioned to be satan worshiping homicidal maniacs?
Because their performance is so irregular, they go from boom to bust, and sometimes spend years at the "beleagured" end of the business spectrum. The cash lets them comfortably weather the bad times until the next "insanely great" product brings in truckloads of profit. Think safety net.
I take issue with that. Linux is very capitalistic. There is a high degree of competition and the prices are low. Right now it is breeding innovation on the desktop with things like XGL and AIGLX. They will compete at competitive prices ($0) and the best option will win out in the end. Isn't that real capitalism?
No, that's charity. It would only be sound economics to sell at $0 if there was an intent to raise prices later, once a network effect was established.
An alternative the charity is subsidized, such as when the author is an academic or has corporate sponsorship.
"Indy is pro-business, it just wants those business to be smaller, more creative, and more responsive to the audience. A more decentralised capitalistic system."
as is linux
No, the point of GPL based projects is to restrict business to practices approved by the GPL community. Pro-business projects would use BSD. I'm not interested in a GPL vs BSD debate, neither is better in an absolute sense, they merely appeal to different authors and authors have every right to be restrictive or permissive in regards to business use. However lets not pretend Linux or any other GPL based project is pro-business. Decentralised yes, capitalistic no.
Didn't Jobs say the average users buys 70 songs? $70 dollars is not much of a library. Losing all your Apple DRM'd music would probably represent a spoilage rate on a par with older technolgies where records broke, tapes were eaten or lost, etc. It also blows apart the myth of an iTunes lock-in. In other words if some company built a better iPod without Apple DRM support migration of the majority of iTunes Music Store buyers is feasible. Personally I don't care one way or the other. I preview with the music store, buy CDs, and rip with iTunes as MP3, and load the MP3s to my iPod. I'll be compatible with any car stereo, home stereo, CD/DVD player, or portable player I buy in the forseeable future (and most likely far beyond).
Besides, Linux is the "indy platform" of the computer desktop world.
Linux is "counterculture" not "indy". Indy is pro-business, it just wants those business to be smaller, more creative, and more responsive to the audience. A more decentralised capitalistic system.
They would have had to GPL the Darwin-NTFS module not Darwin. You can like APL and GPLed code/
They may have some addition that can not be GPL'd. Perhaps a 3rd party's license, a patent, etc. Again, if they could get the code under an alternative license then I'd wager the NTFS team would receive some bug fixes and enhancements. Overall a win-win.
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What makes you think that Apple (or some Mac software development companies) won't extend the use of that TPM chip to do some other things, such as restrict what type of media you can listen to and watch, lock down your documents so that way they can only be opened with a proprietary document reader that costs $$$, prevent you from doing anything that is "unsupported," etc.?
What make me think Apple won't do this? Well, mostly it's the fact that I don't have aluminum foil wrapped tightly around my head.;-)
... Apple would use it to increase market share, use my work to make tons of cash, and then not give anything back...
That's pretty narrow minded, or maybe just simplistic. Source code is not that only thing Apple can give back. They could:
(1) Give cash to the NTFS developers.
(2) Give hardware to the NTFS developers.
(3) Require Apple to provide bug fixes.
(4) Increase the visibility and credibility of the NTFS project.
(4) All of the above and more...
For all we know Apple may have been perfectly willing to return bug fixes and some enhancements to the community. They gave the community HFS+, gcc improvements, etc. They may have merely wanted to be able to decide on enhancements on a case by case basis, or maybe statically link to the code from proprietary software. So rather than reach a reasonable accomodation where both parties would benefit the developers show that OSS is not quite ready to work with the business world. Whether or not this is literally true or not doesn't really matter, it does give that impression to suits hearing of this incident.
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Oh don't worry, you are still paying for it. You just aren't getting it.
Doubtful, the Intel Macs would probably be a little more expensive if they had FW800 support. Assuming that it is even an option. I'm not sure who is manufacturing Apple's motherboards but I'm not sure if Intel manufactured boards ever got to FW800.
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and it is not a solid point that apple is handing you a pair of shackles and telling you "theyre nice shiny and new, put em on and you won't ever have to walk again!"
No, it is not a solid point, it is either (1) a troll or (2) simply gross ignorance. The later warrants -1 as well. The DRM doesn't do jack-sh*t when running Mac OS X on a machine that it supports, Intel based Macs. It is there to prevent Mac OS X from running on generic PC hardware. A reasonable thing for Apple to do.
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"What you should have offered as evidence would be something like stats comparing teenage violence in the 50s to today. However the stats show the opposite, more violence, so the evidence does not support your conclusion."
No, actually violence among adolescents has decreased significantly based on DoJ statistics. See the fisrt graph here which at least goes back to the early 70's. Haven't found anything going back to the 50's yet. Where do you get the idea teenage violence was lower in the 50's?
The 70s is not a good data point. That it well within the timeframe where movies, TV, music, etc, and the violence depicted within, became more of a factor. Hence the reference to the 50s where things were more sanitized, viewing hours were fewer, etc.
Note that I'm not saying we should return to sanitized media, just that more violent media may very well have an impact. The military certainly thinks so and leverages that for training purposes.
The thing is, society will always have a scapegoat. First books corrupted children, then it was rock and roll, then violent movies, and now it's video games. Every single time that people complained about all of these things, they used the same arguments. And yet all of these activities are now normal forms of entertainment. This will indeed stop after a while. Until there's a more viable choice for a scapegoat, that is.
Your statement makes no sense logically. The fact that these activities are now normal does not demonstrate whether or not these activities promote violence. What you should have offered as evidence would be something like stats comparing teenage violence in the 50s to today. However the stats show the opposite, more violence, so the evidence does not support your conclusion.
US Army psychological warfare researchers showed Nazi propoganda films to combat vets and found that they were more open to Nazi ideas.
When I was in ROTC they showed us a Marine Corp training film that was unedited color footage of the Marine's assault on the island of Tarawa. I think some of the scenes in the opening of Saving Private Ryan were inspired by this film. The instructor told us that the purpose was desensitisation.
Movies do not make someone go out and commit a particular act but they do increase or decrease the propensity to commit the act. Games most likely have a similar affect.
Because some of us come home at 7 and can't start the waiting game at 6:30?
OK, start at 7:00, go to the bathroom, eat a snack, etc, play by 7:30.
The countryside is instanced, so you don't run into other players out just exploring unless you've grouped with them (but, really, how useful is that ANYWAY?).
Don't misunderstand, Guild War is a great game, but it is not a MMORG. There is no "massive", except in chat. Diablo II would be a more accurate match, not World of Warcraft.
But will it run Vista?
Actually, it probably will.
The Democrats are no longer the party for Southern racists, although the Democratic party certainly was at one time.
John F. Kennedy wiretapped Martin Luther King Jr., I don't think he counts as either a Southerner or a racist.
"'Considering they would wiretap innocent Americans without a warrant ...'
The Republicans did that for Al Quaeda suspects. The Democrats did that for Martin Luther King Jr."
That's the new face of Republican "personal resonsibility" values: if the Republicans screw up, accuse the Democrats of doing it years and years ago...
Not at all, and I'm not even a republican (that's one of the reasons your attack the messenger tactic is poor). The GP tried to dismiss the Rep and Dem differences as merely being a matter of time when it is far more than that. Also, I realize some folks are running on speculation and political opportunism but I'm kind of waiting to see who the pres was spying on. I don't think it's been shown who was getting wiretapped, IF (big IF) it was truly only people who were on the line with a legit al quaeda suspect then there is no abuse. I'm waiting to see what the congressional and other investigations find.
Who do you think was going to read your answers to the questions you asked?
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I thought it was an electronic voting simulator.
Considering they would wiretap innocent Americans without a warrant ...
The Republicans did that for Al Quaeda suspects. The Democrats did that for Martin Luther King Jr.
China is a manufacturer, and an exporter. Insulating themselves from the global buyers hurts them, not us.
Not at all. Responsible (monitored) businesses will have access to the external net as necessary. Average citizens only need the internal net.
We are a wealthy real estate company getting hit with a lot of viruses. Could you please post a phony news story about our plight, that way your zombie hoard of misanthropic programmers will code a free solution for us; for free! Ooops, gotta go, just sold another $8,000,000.00 house in La Jolla and we have to pick up our 8% commission. Thanks, Your Friends in the real estate business.
Why not, look at all the free stuff they've already coded up for them?
Did I miss something in the GPL about a poverty requirement? Or a minimum consulting hour cover charge? As far as I know you only have to give back changes you distribute. Maybe it's something new in v3.
As long as they don't start charging tax on blank DVD's.
They will, but the proceeds will go to the porn industry not the record industry.
... where can independant Canadian artists who are not affiliated with the labels sign up to receive their cut of this tax? ...
At one of the record labels.
Oh there is profit. But the profit is in services, not a software copy.
As I wrote before, GPL based projects are not capitalistic since they dictate in what manner a company may or may not pursue profit. Again, "counterculture" not "indy".
Not to start a big flame war or anything, but doesn't invading other countries kind of encourage aggressive behavior?
Nope. I was in elementary school during the Vietnam War. I recall seeing fragments of combat footage on the news. When friends and I played violent games we did not emulate or act out the news footage, we emulated TV and movies of the early 70s. Play was World War II themed, SWAT themed, etc. One friend's mom didn't allow toy guns, no problem his dad's old discarded golf clubs were fine stand-ins for rifles and shotguns. I don't find it hard to believe that games have an affect similar to TV and movies. Music videos too, they are kind of mini-movies.
So my friends and I engaged in violent themed play at early ages.
Later got into punk and metal.
Man, how did we wind boring hard working tax paying law abiding citizens when we were so conditioned to be satan worshiping homicidal maniacs?
Why does Apple keep so much cash on hand?
Because their performance is so irregular, they go from boom to bust, and sometimes spend years at the "beleagured" end of the business spectrum. The cash lets them comfortably weather the bad times until the next "insanely great" product brings in truckloads of profit. Think safety net.
"Decentralised yes, capitalistic no."
I take issue with that. Linux is very capitalistic. There is a high degree of competition and the prices are low. Right now it is breeding innovation on the desktop with things like XGL and AIGLX. They will compete at competitive prices ($0) and the best option will win out in the end. Isn't that real capitalism?
No, that's charity. It would only be sound economics to sell at $0 if there was an intent to raise prices later, once a network effect was established.
An alternative the charity is subsidized, such as when the author is an academic or has corporate sponsorship.
"Indy is pro-business, it just wants those business to be smaller, more creative, and more responsive to the audience. A more decentralised capitalistic system."
as is linux
No, the point of GPL based projects is to restrict business to practices approved by the GPL community. Pro-business projects would use BSD. I'm not interested in a GPL vs BSD debate, neither is better in an absolute sense, they merely appeal to different authors and authors have every right to be restrictive or permissive in regards to business use. However lets not pretend Linux or any other GPL based project is pro-business. Decentralised yes, capitalistic no.
Didn't Jobs say the average users buys 70 songs? $70 dollars is not much of a library. Losing all your Apple DRM'd music would probably represent a spoilage rate on a par with older technolgies where records broke, tapes were eaten or lost, etc. It also blows apart the myth of an iTunes lock-in. In other words if some company built a better iPod without Apple DRM support migration of the majority of iTunes Music Store buyers is feasible. Personally I don't care one way or the other. I preview with the music store, buy CDs, and rip with iTunes as MP3, and load the MP3s to my iPod. I'll be compatible with any car stereo, home stereo, CD/DVD player, or portable player I buy in the forseeable future (and most likely far beyond).
Besides, Linux is the "indy platform" of the computer desktop world.
Linux is "counterculture" not "indy". Indy is pro-business, it just wants those business to be smaller, more creative, and more responsive to the audience. A more decentralised capitalistic system.
They would have had to GPL the Darwin-NTFS module not Darwin. You can like APL and GPLed code/
They may have some addition that can not be GPL'd. Perhaps a 3rd party's license, a patent, etc. Again, if they could get the code under an alternative license then I'd wager the NTFS team would receive some bug fixes and enhancements. Overall a win-win.
What makes you think that Apple (or some Mac software development companies) won't extend the use of that TPM chip to do some other things, such as restrict what type of media you can listen to and watch, lock down your documents so that way they can only be opened with a proprietary document reader that costs $$$, prevent you from doing anything that is "unsupported," etc.?
;-)
What make me think Apple won't do this? Well, mostly it's the fact that I don't have aluminum foil wrapped tightly around my head.
... Apple would use it to increase market share, use my work to make tons of cash, and then not give anything back ...
...
That's pretty narrow minded, or maybe just simplistic. Source code is not that only thing Apple can give back. They could:
(1) Give cash to the NTFS developers.
(2) Give hardware to the NTFS developers.
(3) Require Apple to provide bug fixes. (4) Increase the visibility and credibility of the NTFS project.
(4) All of the above and more
For all we know Apple may have been perfectly willing to return bug fixes and some enhancements to the community. They gave the community HFS+, gcc improvements, etc. They may have merely wanted to be able to decide on enhancements on a case by case basis, or maybe statically link to the code from proprietary software. So rather than reach a reasonable accomodation where both parties would benefit the developers show that OSS is not quite ready to work with the business world. Whether or not this is literally true or not doesn't really matter, it does give that impression to suits hearing of this incident.
Oh don't worry, you are still paying for it. You just aren't getting it.
Doubtful, the Intel Macs would probably be a little more expensive if they had FW800 support. Assuming that it is even an option. I'm not sure who is manufacturing Apple's motherboards but I'm not sure if Intel manufactured boards ever got to FW800.
and it is not a solid point that apple is handing you a pair of shackles and telling you "theyre nice shiny and new, put em on and you won't ever have to walk again!"
No, it is not a solid point, it is either (1) a troll or (2) simply gross ignorance. The later warrants -1 as well. The DRM doesn't do jack-sh*t when running Mac OS X on a machine that it supports, Intel based Macs. It is there to prevent Mac OS X from running on generic PC hardware. A reasonable thing for Apple to do.