Irrelevant. (1) You are off on a tangent given the GP's point regarding comparing local wages against the local economy. (2) A tangent about luxuries is a red herring. Can both individuals live comfortably, afford their children's local education, etc.
16 year UNIX and Programmers will work for $36k/yr. Thats just sick.
Why is everyone so surprised? Isn't this one of the expected outcomes of PC-based FOSS software like FreeBSD and Linux? I'm not saying this was a goal, just an anticipated side effect, the downside outweighed by the upside. When a particular field of knowledge and experience becomes commoditized the price that the knowledge and experience commands drops.
In the early to mid 90s many people honestly believed that Unix was on the way out, that it was destined to become a niche. Few people invested much time in learning Unix, we used it in school and when the staff polled the CS majors about how the program could be improved a very popular request was classes on Windows programming. Thankfully the staff said that the university teaches concepts not the flavor-of-the-day OS, go learn to program Windows outside of class.
So those people with Unix experience were rare and able to command high salaries. Now enter FreeBSD and Linux. Many CS student I knew didn't really care about the GPL or the politics, all they cared about was that they could do their Unix based homework assignments on their PC at home and not have to wait for machines in the lab or dial-in through a damn modem. A handful got into FreeBSD and Linux. Between the former and later groups Unix knowledge and experiece became widely available. If my company needs a website I don't have to go out and buy an expensive Sun box and hire expensive people with Sun experience. I can go out and get decent PC hardware and use FreeBSD or Linux and hire a far less expensive person to setup and maintain them. Sure the Sun hardware is more robust but for many businesses it doesn't really matter.
I saw similar things at school. The university stopped buying Suns and purchased PCs and installed Linux. The vast majority of students and profs only needed a general purpose Unix desktop. The handful that had some very specialized need could get a Sun.
This is all the rational expected outcome of FOSS software like FreeBSD and Linux. FOSS not only frees the users but it also frees the corporations, they are no longer "held hostage" by what Unix admins and programmers once jokingly labeled themselves: the "high priests".
Want to run *two* webservers behind NAT? Say goodbye to half of your visitors behind stupid proxies that only relay requests to port 80
Is this a bad ad hoc example (would not be surprising)? A shortcoming of iptables (would be surprising)? I believe OpenBSD and pf will do this. I haven't tried it myself but I believe pf can redirect port 80 to more than one machine as part of load balancing.
I had Microsoft send me a free WinXP Service Pack 2 CD in anticipation of any future installations. This way I can get some of the patches, updated firewall, etc before going online to get more recent patches.
Same for Best Buy and about any other electronics store I've visited. I'm surprised someone can't find it.
The "we" you refer to is a small niche
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The "we" you refer to is a small niche. Most slashdotters don't care. If the game is fun they play it. Don't fall into the trap where you assume everyone, or even an majority, or even a non-trivial number of people, share your opinion(s). They don't.
That said, go play whatever game makes you happy for whatever reasons you have, and let the rest of us do the same without your nagging. Thanks.
I find the whole thing rather absurd except in very special cases (like Vin Diesel in Chronicles of Riddick). And in those special cases the actor has enough clout that they'll probably walk away with a deal they're happy with.
FWIW, I *think* he started a game company and they did this title. Tigon Studios?
No, Apple is a hardware company. Mac OS X is the hook to get you to buy the slighly more expensive (today) Apple hardware over commodity PC hardware. Apple's switch to x86 does not mean they will be selling Mac OS X for PCs. They will have a non-PC proprietary design that Mac OS X will require. Other OS' may be ported to that new hardware but Mac OS X will not be moving off of it. Do not be confused by current development systems that are pretty generic. Apple has a history of not supporting development systems in the retail product, even when the hardware was their own.
"think of the bully who gets to put the white sheet over his head."
Get your cliché's right:... the white hat over his head...
I got the cliche right, white sheet as in clan, KKK. Sometimes white hoods are referred to, but not white hats. These guys are just organized bullies and when permitted anonymity they just get more visious. This phenomena did not originate with the net.
I understand that you were going for humor but I have to add that you are probably closer to the truth than many realize. These categories are not mutually exclusive. A person may be rightfully counted in more than one. The *should* not add up to 100%.
Rome builds shitty wall, Emperor blames failure on existence of barbarian hordes.
I understand your sentiment but that is a piss-poor analogy. In the future you may want to just write more directly. It would have been a far better post if you had just been straighforward.
FWIW walls do not defend territory by themselves, they have to be manned. Walls merely give your soldiers a tactical advantage. Also the existence of barbarian hordes is not the problem, it is the penetration of barbarian hordes into your territory that is the problem.
A lot of hackers have "fun" causing other people pain. It's weird, I've never quite understood how that actually works, but I've met plenty of people who just experience joy at doing damage.
Some hackers/crackers have miserable lives. It is not uncommon for miserable people to find comfort in the misery of others. It's like the nerd version of a bully, they believe they have elevated themselves over someone else and are no longer at the bottom. Now add in anonymity and the bully feels even free'er to act, think of the bully who gets to put the white sheet over his head.
In your own conscience, you would feel 100% innocent.
Complete nonsense. Have you spoken to many combat vets? Especially those from World War II where everyone believed their caused was just and moral. The World War II vets that I knew felt guilty about killing the armed men who were shooting at them. The only ones they wanted to kill were the "sons-of-bitches who started the damn war". They guys they had to shoot in order to protect themselves and their friends were just "unlucky bastards" like themselves.
Hell, a World War II vet I knew felt guilty just feeding anti-aircraft shells into a hopper and this was while his ship was under attack.
More recently I had a college buddy who served in the first Gulf War and was involved in target selection. They prayed hard that their intel was correct and that their interpretation of photos and other data was correct. They felt responsible for whatever happened, the pilot pulled the trigger but they aimed the gun.
... to the pilot who is "just following orders"...
That is a myth. Only sociopaths think that way and the military is pretty good at weeding those out. More likely is that at the time of weapon release the pilot honestly believed that there was a valuable military target below. Only later do they find out the intel was completely wrong. Do you think President Clinton knowingly had an aspirin factory or the Chinese embassy bombed?
"Just following orders" was a last ditch defense strategy used by war criminals at trial. There were SS soldiers who after arriving at the concentration camps refused to be a part of the murder of women and children. They were transfered to front line combat units and were not court martialed. To court martial them would have required publication of the order that were disobeyed. No one wanted that on paper.
"Sense that it may make, I still wouldn't want to be the guy to decide to drop an atom bomb within a mile of an allied pow camp."
It's really easier than you think - it's all about dilution of responsibility.
It is not that simple and it is also naive to apply Vietnam analogies to World War II. You do not seem to understand the admittedly evil mathematics of war. To spare lives at an enemy war materials factory may end up getting more of your soldiers killed. It may save more lives to end production at that factory and to deprive the enemy front line troops of the materials they need to offer effective resistance. In that context it is still a tough decision but a logical one. In short, the best strategy is often get the damn war over as fast as possible.
"(Disclosure: It's true that Mac OS has some access to these apps via Apple's X11 and Fink/Darwinports, but you have to admit it's not the same as having these be a "real" part of your desktop.)"
Nonsense, these apps run as well on Mac OS X as they do under Linux, their user interface is equally good or bad. What is more relevant is that Mac OS X offers a high quality set apps with excellent user interfaces. Many essentially free as they are bundled with the computer. Many also rendering some of that "Linux" software you refer to as redundant.
How is pointing out that some OSS app looks the same, for good or bad, under Linux as Mac OS X flamebait? Or was pointing out that the bundled Mac OS X browsing, email, cd-burning, MP3 playing, etc software have better user interfaces, negating the importance of competing OSS apps, the flamebait? Just curious.
UI is likely to require a significant amount of floating point calculation (at least until the next round of graphics cards do all of that in hardware as well).
I believe the current generation of graphics hardware has everything MS is planning on needing. The Intel/AMD's FPU will not be burdened.
(Disclosure: It's true that Mac OS has some access to these apps via Apple's X11 and Fink/Darwinports, but you have to admit it's not the same as having these be a "real" part of your desktop.)
Nonsense, these apps run as well on Mac OS X as they do under Linux, their user interface is equally good or bad. What is more relevant is that Mac OS X offers a high quality set apps with excellent user interfaces. Many essentially free as they are bundled with the computer. Many also rendering some of that "Linux" software you refer to as redundant.
How do you shop online, then? Or is that a tin-foil hat subject for you, too?
How do you shop online if you cannot read?;-) He said he whitelists in the first sentence. In case you are unfamiliar with the technique you whitelist (allow) the store's domain so that the store's cookies work but all the marketing cookies refer to other domains and are therefore disallowed.
Hey, I just used the first PC Unix to support MY hardware.
That is as meaningless as the user who says they use Windows because it supports their hardware, that Linux could but does not.
To be cleaer I'm not arguing against Linux. In the mid 90s I took two CDs home from the local computer swap meet. One FreeBSD and the other Yggdrasil Plug-and-play Linux. Coming from a BSD background I tried FreeBSD first on my 486DX2-66. Yddgrasil installed fine, autodetect and autoconfigured my ATI Mach32, SoundBlaster 16, and 3Com 3c509 (?) - a far better installation experience than anything I experience today with Linux. Later on I tried an updated FreeBSD and it installed fine. Since then I have not had a PC that Linux or FreeBSD failed to work on. Over the last 4 years OpenBSD has worked fine too but I've only been installing that as a server and not a desktop like Linux and FreeBSD. YMMV, I tend to lean towards quality components rather than least expensive.
Events like the September 11 attacks and the Iraq invasion made news channels take a back seat.
I'm sorry but blogs *are* the back seat. CNN, Fox, and other mainstream media own the coverage of big events like the above. Where blogs are useful is: (1) In fact checking as we say with the 2004 election coverage. Previously people who knew that the reporters did shoddy work or got it completely wrong had no outlet, now they do. (2) Covering small stories that the mainstream media has not interest in.
Regarding everybody starts to "support our troups" you are quite ignorant. The "Support our Troops" sentiment is part of the pro- and anti-war camps. It is born out of the disgraceful error we made during Vietnam in equating the men who fight wars with the men who start wars, blaming common soldiers for the war. Now both sides are trying to take care of the troops as best as possible while putting the heat where it belongs, on the politicians.
Regarding war is won, dying starts, at some point europeans/uno have to step in to clean up and pay for many years, even if not supporting the war. Where is Europe stepping up and/or helping to cleanup a US effort? Except for the UK in general, and other countries helping with the invasion of Iraq, there has not been much beyond token efforts outside of Afghanistan. There the efforts are small but that is in line with their military capabilities.
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Irrelevant. (1) You are off on a tangent given the GP's point regarding comparing local wages against the local economy. (2) A tangent about luxuries is a red herring. Can both individuals live comfortably, afford their children's local education, etc.
16 year UNIX and Programmers will work for $36k/yr. Thats just sick.
Why is everyone so surprised? Isn't this one of the expected outcomes of PC-based FOSS software like FreeBSD and Linux? I'm not saying this was a goal, just an anticipated side effect, the downside outweighed by the upside. When a particular field of knowledge and experience becomes commoditized the price that the knowledge and experience commands drops.
In the early to mid 90s many people honestly believed that Unix was on the way out, that it was destined to become a niche. Few people invested much time in learning Unix, we used it in school and when the staff polled the CS majors about how the program could be improved a very popular request was classes on Windows programming. Thankfully the staff said that the university teaches concepts not the flavor-of-the-day OS, go learn to program Windows outside of class.
So those people with Unix experience were rare and able to command high salaries. Now enter FreeBSD and Linux. Many CS student I knew didn't really care about the GPL or the politics, all they cared about was that they could do their Unix based homework assignments on their PC at home and not have to wait for machines in the lab or dial-in through a damn modem. A handful got into FreeBSD and Linux. Between the former and later groups Unix knowledge and experiece became widely available. If my company needs a website I don't have to go out and buy an expensive Sun box and hire expensive people with Sun experience. I can go out and get decent PC hardware and use FreeBSD or Linux and hire a far less expensive person to setup and maintain them. Sure the Sun hardware is more robust but for many businesses it doesn't really matter.
I saw similar things at school. The university stopped buying Suns and purchased PCs and installed Linux. The vast majority of students and profs only needed a general purpose Unix desktop. The handful that had some very specialized need could get a Sun.
This is all the rational expected outcome of FOSS software like FreeBSD and Linux. FOSS not only frees the users but it also frees the corporations, they are no longer "held hostage" by what Unix admins and programmers once jokingly labeled themselves: the "high priests".
Want to run *two* webservers behind NAT? Say goodbye to half of your visitors behind stupid proxies that only relay requests to port 80
Is this a bad ad hoc example (would not be surprising)? A shortcoming of iptables (would be surprising)? I believe OpenBSD and pf will do this. I haven't tried it myself but I believe pf can redirect port 80 to more than one machine as part of load balancing.
I had Microsoft send me a free WinXP Service Pack 2 CD in anticipation of any future installations. This way I can get some of the patches, updated firewall, etc before going online to get more recent patches.
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/upda
That's fine, but the rest of us are having an awful lot of fun. To each his own.
Same for Best Buy and about any other electronics store I've visited. I'm surprised someone can't find it.
The "we" you refer to is a small niche. Most slashdotters don't care. If the game is fun they play it. Don't fall into the trap where you assume everyone, or even an majority, or even a non-trivial number of people, share your opinion(s). They don't.
That said, go play whatever game makes you happy for whatever reasons you have, and let the rest of us do the same without your nagging. Thanks.
I find the whole thing rather absurd except in very special cases (like Vin Diesel in Chronicles of Riddick). And in those special cases the actor has enough clout that they'll probably walk away with a deal they're happy with.
FWIW, I *think* he started a game company and they did this title. Tigon Studios?
Mac OS X will be available on x86-based PCs
No, Apple is a hardware company. Mac OS X is the hook to get you to buy the slighly more expensive (today) Apple hardware over commodity PC hardware. Apple's switch to x86 does not mean they will be selling Mac OS X for PCs. They will have a non-PC proprietary design that Mac OS X will require. Other OS' may be ported to that new hardware but Mac OS X will not be moving off of it. Do not be confused by current development systems that are pretty generic. Apple has a history of not supporting development systems in the retail product, even when the hardware was their own.
"think of the bully who gets to put the white sheet over his head."
... the white hat over his head...
Get your cliché's right:
I got the cliche right, white sheet as in clan, KKK. Sometimes white hoods are referred to, but not white hats. These guys are just organized bullies and when permitted anonymity they just get more visious. This phenomena did not originate with the net.
70% download ilegally
90% download legally
100% rip CDs legally
100% copy friends' ripped CDs ilegally
I understand that you were going for humor but I have to add that you are probably closer to the truth than many realize. These categories are not mutually exclusive. A person may be rightfully counted in more than one. The *should* not add up to 100%.
Rome builds shitty wall, Emperor blames failure on existence of barbarian hordes.
I understand your sentiment but that is a piss-poor analogy. In the future you may want to just write more directly. It would have been a far better post if you had just been straighforward.
FWIW walls do not defend territory by themselves, they have to be manned. Walls merely give your soldiers a tactical advantage. Also the existence of barbarian hordes is not the problem, it is the penetration of barbarian hordes into your territory that is the problem.
A lot of hackers have "fun" causing other people pain. It's weird, I've never quite understood how that actually works, but I've met plenty of people who just experience joy at doing damage.
Some hackers/crackers have miserable lives. It is not uncommon for miserable people to find comfort in the misery of others. It's like the nerd version of a bully, they believe they have elevated themselves over someone else and are no longer at the bottom. Now add in anonymity and the bully feels even free'er to act, think of the bully who gets to put the white sheet over his head.
In your own conscience, you would feel 100% innocent.
Complete nonsense. Have you spoken to many combat vets? Especially those from World War II where everyone believed their caused was just and moral. The World War II vets that I knew felt guilty about killing the armed men who were shooting at them. The only ones they wanted to kill were the "sons-of-bitches who started the damn war". They guys they had to shoot in order to protect themselves and their friends were just "unlucky bastards" like themselves.
Hell, a World War II vet I knew felt guilty just feeding anti-aircraft shells into a hopper and this was while his ship was under attack.
More recently I had a college buddy who served in the first Gulf War and was involved in target selection. They prayed hard that their intel was correct and that their interpretation of photos and other data was correct. They felt responsible for whatever happened, the pilot pulled the trigger but they aimed the gun.
... to the pilot who is "just following orders" ...
That is a myth. Only sociopaths think that way and the military is pretty good at weeding those out. More likely is that at the time of weapon release the pilot honestly believed that there was a valuable military target below. Only later do they find out the intel was completely wrong. Do you think President Clinton knowingly had an aspirin factory or the Chinese embassy bombed?
"Just following orders" was a last ditch defense strategy used by war criminals at trial. There were SS soldiers who after arriving at the concentration camps refused to be a part of the murder of women and children. They were transfered to front line combat units and were not court martialed. To court martial them would have required publication of the order that were disobeyed. No one wanted that on paper.
"Sense that it may make, I still wouldn't want to be the guy to decide to drop an atom bomb within a mile of an allied pow camp."
It's really easier than you think - it's all about dilution of responsibility.
It is not that simple and it is also naive to apply Vietnam analogies to World War II. You do not seem to understand the admittedly evil mathematics of war. To spare lives at an enemy war materials factory may end up getting more of your soldiers killed. It may save more lives to end production at that factory and to deprive the enemy front line troops of the materials they need to offer effective resistance. In that context it is still a tough decision but a logical one. In short, the best strategy is often get the damn war over as fast as possible.
"(Disclosure: It's true that Mac OS has some access to these apps via Apple's X11 and Fink/Darwinports, but you have to admit it's not the same as having these be a "real" part of your desktop.)"
Nonsense, these apps run as well on Mac OS X as they do under Linux, their user interface is equally good or bad. What is more relevant is that Mac OS X offers a high quality set apps with excellent user interfaces. Many essentially free as they are bundled with the computer. Many also rendering some of that "Linux" software you refer to as redundant.
How is pointing out that some OSS app looks the same, for good or bad, under Linux as Mac OS X flamebait? Or was pointing out that the bundled Mac OS X browsing, email, cd-burning, MP3 playing, etc software have better user interfaces, negating the importance of competing OSS apps, the flamebait? Just curious.
UI is likely to require a significant amount of floating point calculation (at least until the next round of graphics cards do all of that in hardware as well).
I believe the current generation of graphics hardware has everything MS is planning on needing. The Intel/AMD's FPU will not be burdened.
(Disclosure: It's true that Mac OS has some access to these apps via Apple's X11 and Fink/Darwinports, but you have to admit it's not the same as having these be a "real" part of your desktop.)
Nonsense, these apps run as well on Mac OS X as they do under Linux, their user interface is equally good or bad. What is more relevant is that Mac OS X offers a high quality set apps with excellent user interfaces. Many essentially free as they are bundled with the computer. Many also rendering some of that "Linux" software you refer to as redundant.
And forget about floating point performance.
That's easy, it's completely irrelevant to nearly all users, PC and Mac.
You are confusing "meaningless" with "as meaningless as", the two are very different. Re-read.
How do you shop online, then? Or is that a tin-foil hat subject for you, too?
;-) He said he whitelists in the first sentence. In case you are unfamiliar with the technique you whitelist (allow) the store's domain so that the store's cookies work but all the marketing cookies refer to other domains and are therefore disallowed.
How do you shop online if you cannot read?
Hey, I just used the first PC Unix to support MY hardware.
That is as meaningless as the user who says they use Windows because it supports their hardware, that Linux could but does not.
To be cleaer I'm not arguing against Linux. In the mid 90s I took two CDs home from the local computer swap meet. One FreeBSD and the other Yggdrasil Plug-and-play Linux. Coming from a BSD background I tried FreeBSD first on my 486DX2-66. Yddgrasil installed fine, autodetect and autoconfigured my ATI Mach32, SoundBlaster 16, and 3Com 3c509 (?) - a far better installation experience than anything I experience today with Linux. Later on I tried an updated FreeBSD and it installed fine. Since then I have not had a PC that Linux or FreeBSD failed to work on. Over the last 4 years OpenBSD has worked fine too but I've only been installing that as a server and not a desktop like Linux and FreeBSD. YMMV, I tend to lean towards quality components rather than least expensive.
Events like the September 11 attacks and the Iraq invasion made news channels take a back seat.
I'm sorry but blogs *are* the back seat. CNN, Fox, and other mainstream media own the coverage of big events like the above. Where blogs are useful is: (1) In fact checking as we say with the 2004 election coverage. Previously people who knew that the reporters did shoddy work or got it completely wrong had no outlet, now they do. (2) Covering small stories that the mainstream media has not interest in.
Regarding everybody starts to "support our troups" you are quite ignorant. The "Support our Troops" sentiment is part of the pro- and anti-war camps. It is born out of the disgraceful error we made during Vietnam in equating the men who fight wars with the men who start wars, blaming common soldiers for the war. Now both sides are trying to take care of the troops as best as possible while putting the heat where it belongs, on the politicians.
Regarding war is won, dying starts, at some point europeans/uno have to step in to clean up and pay for many years, even if not supporting the war. Where is Europe stepping up and/or helping to cleanup a US effort? Except for the UK in general, and other countries helping with the invasion of Iraq, there has not been much beyond token efforts outside of Afghanistan. There the efforts are small but that is in line with their military capabilities.