No, 'twas not. Mine pointed out how you were basically apologizing and defending lock down. You suggest I defend malware. I do not. But I can see how someone who is willing to surrender all authority to a corporation like Apple would miss that.
Those are things YOU are saying.
No. By suggesting that the only possible conclusion for having the option to do as I see fit with my computers is to have it end up infested with malware, you make (perhaps without realizing it) the argument that what is truly desired is to surrender all control to someone else who will "keep you safe."
You're an apologist. Almost a criminal.
See what I did there?
You demonstrated that you have no grasp on the argument at hand, and are attacking me for criticizing a corporate-authoritarian stance?
Ah, look, an idiotic reply. So what you're saying is that the only reason I want the ability to do as I see fit on my computer... is to install malware? And that what I really want is to give full control of my PC to other people? And that no one should ever have the choice?
Remember, Sailfish is an OS, don't need to be tied to a particular phone or company.
Then you'll have to figure out a way to create an independent group capable of putting Sailfish on those devices. As it stands you'll get Nemo Mobile. Jolla won't do it for the N9 and N900 because they aren't Jolla products.
Packager bikeshedding is probably the dumbest thing I ever saw in the development of MeeGo. It's RPM, you'd have to present one hell of a case to trigger a migration back to DEB. Until then, package deltas, kickstarts, and zypper will be leveraged to their fullest.
Go ahead, don't just make claims like that. Back them up with actual links. I want you to show me a consistent, frequent pattern of what you have just stated.
Don't even try to tell me this site isn't dedicated to facebook news for conservatives.
No, you have to show that this is the case. You have yet to do so.
Google seems to be doing fine so far with Nexus devices vs. what everyone else sells.
Depends. Is Microsoft designing and having the device manufactured entirely on their own, or are they working with an existing Windows Phone vendor on it?
All of Google's Nexus devices are prominently done by one of their OHA members (HTC, Samsung, ASUS, etc.) and that's probably one reason there's never been a whisper about the Nexus program. By contrast, with Surface Microsoft bypassed all of their OEMs and is going head to head with them.
What about runnign it in N9 (as the current Nokia's Meego implementation does) or N900, or other devices (i.e. there was the rumor that Samsung would release a S III with Tizen).
Mer, the core platform that Jolla is using, will run on the N9 and the N900. I have u-boot installed on my N900 with Nemo Mobile installed on a microSD card and can boot it trivially.
Don't follow HP example NOT supporting the Touchpad in the new open WebOS, unless the device just don't have the required horsepower or specific hardware.
Jolla won't support the N9 and N900 because those are Nokia products. Different company entirely.
Hopefully they're smarter than Nokia and Microsoft, and won't announce something three months or more before it is available. When the N900 came out, I had to wait until December to get mine due to a mix of Nokia incompetence (billing system fail) and a premature announcement.
Also, to survive they need to target a wide audience, not just people who think the N900 is the be-all and end-all of mobile devices. There's no reason they can't do that AND give us what we want at the same time. Survival is paramount, however. Without that they can't deliver anything at all.
is to target the "I want something Debian-like" customers, and brand it as a tool.
Wht is that? Is there no value in a platform that is developed wholly in the open?
Different tools have different uses. Instead of trying to turn MeeGo into a screwdriver (i.e. something Android/iOS/WP/Blackberry like) they should focus on its strengths and market it accordingly.
Maintaining a narrow focus like the N900 did won't get them anywhere. What they can do is not deliberately interfere when people decide to do unusual things with their devices.
No, if you are an Android/iOS/WP/Blackberry-fan, Meego is probably not what you want.
How so? How can it not supercede those?
Unless of course they try to change Meego into yet another clone of that concept, then you will probably still not like it because there aren't enough apps, plus they will alienate their actual market.
So not only have you already predicted doom, but doom because they haven't already delivered a huge app market (how could they, stupid Catch-22) and you somehow know exactly what they think their market is.
Again, their actual market doesn't want apps, they want a distributions.
That's what you want. No reason they can't target a more mainstream market and let us load all the random RPMs we want.
Ooh, is someone upset that the GOP and its representatives (official or otherwise) would be taken for being mad?
Glenn Beck has been known to use this device known as "sarcasm"
Beck falls into chasm created by Poe's law.
which tends to escape the Aspergers crowd that runs Slashdot.
I see, people see Beck say wild shit and you accuse people here of suffering from Aspergers. Real classy one you are.
Considering the inability of the supposed "geniuses" on this site to spot an obvious joke that Mitt Romney made last week
Considering the man can't tell a joke for shit and the other wild-ass garbage come out of the Republican Party these days, I'm not surprised at all that people missed it.
I'll do the politically incorrect thing and not have the Pavlovian foaming at the mouth reaction to what the ringleaders on this site want
IT'S A CONSPIRACY! And Slashdot is in on it too! Careful, you're starting to sound like Beck as well.
the Apache License is significantly more free than the GPL.
For varying perspectives on what constitutes "free."
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Yup. I'm a fan of hardware arbitrarily failing to function. Looking at the list of distros that use it, they're all pretty much irrelevant at this point.
Hate to burst your bubble, but that's pretty much how the vast majority of people see and use computers today. If you replace your PC with a tablet and are happy, that's a pretty good sign that you didn't really need a PC in the first place. Those of us who actually want 'proper' PCs buy tablets 'as well as' PCs rather than 'instead of'.
Which is why I expect a corresponding plummet in the average computer skills of people from regions dominated by such consumption-geared devices. Nothing quite like having capability withheld from you for the sake of someone's bottom line.
I can also install an arbitrary package, or add a repo I approve of.
I wonder if compiling from source will be the next big thing on Windows ARM machines, or if they'll somehow lock that down as well.
If it's like Apple, they'll charge you $99 for the ability to load a development package for 120 days. I suspect it'll be a little more relaxed, but you still won't be able to give installable packages to people.
It's "FUD" because people are hurt that Microsoft is getting negative attention over this, and think that Apple somehow gets a pass.
It just also has the ability to run new Metro aka MS tablet, software which the previous Windows versions didn't.
Most importantly, Windows 8 introduces what I'm guessing is version 1.0 of the WinRT API, which is heavily restricted and enforces the walled garden for Microsoft. I'm sure that it will be the only API getting updates in the future and eventually they'll move DirectX into its purview.
You can run any code you like, from any source you like, make any changes to the system you like, etc.
Except for stuff that uses WinRT. You can do what you want with the obsolete Win32 API.
So there, you are locked in same as with iOS
Which makes it all OK!
unless you do some kind of jailbreak which I imagine someone will develop
Ah yes, because Jailbreaking makes such hostile platforms acceptable.
Competing operating systems on mobile (android, ios) are also locked down to a single source out of the box unless you make changes to the OS.
Given that Android will allow you to do as you wish with a checkbox, then really it is a problem. The other platforms treat you with the same utter hostility that you would some anonymous attacker over the internet.
There are a LOT of problems with win8, but this isn't a biggie.
It is, but people seem happy to dismiss it because Apple somehow makes it OK.
I think the problem occures if you see devices like tablets, phones and consoles as 'media consumption' appliances rather than general purpose computers
That's their point. They have removed the ability for the end user to do as they wish with the intention of turning them into a portal by which you dump your wallet into the greedy hands of the entertainment industries. It's their dream come true: heavy DRM, no uncertified softare, and the users are controlled tightly.
It's no big deal if they are closed systems (consoles have been that way for years).
It is a big deal. These devices are displacing regular, unrestricted computers from homes. Eventually we will start having kids grow up where the only "computer" is a crippled tablet whose primary purpose is extracting money from its owner and passive consumption.
The forthcoming ARM-based Windows machines may well be marketed as general purpose laptops and SFF computers.
Only if you agree to call iOS devices the same, which is ridiculous given the restrictions.
The Linux developer who touts the convenience and safety of his distro's repository isn't in a position to complain when other operating systems move in the same direction.
This sentiment is incorrect, and I'll let you figure out why.
The geek may side-load from other sources, but you are not going to pay the light bill and the rent serving that crowd.
You may not, but what do you get from attacking them like Apple and Microsoft do?
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No, 'twas not. Mine pointed out how you were basically apologizing and defending lock down. You suggest I defend malware. I do not. But I can see how someone who is willing to surrender all authority to a corporation like Apple would miss that.
No. By suggesting that the only possible conclusion for having the option to do as I see fit with my computers is to have it end up infested with malware, you make (perhaps without realizing it) the argument that what is truly desired is to surrender all control to someone else who will "keep you safe."
You demonstrated that you have no grasp on the argument at hand, and are attacking me for criticizing a corporate-authoritarian stance?
Ah, look, an idiotic reply. So what you're saying is that the only reason I want the ability to do as I see fit on my computer... is to install malware? And that what I really want is to give full control of my PC to other people? And that no one should ever have the choice?
Yeah, you're an apologist. Almost authoritarian.
Oh look, a lock-down apologist.
Because Google doesn't actually release the Nexus devices (except for the Q, which had no equivalent.) The OHA members do.
And yes, they own Motorola. But the OHA still exists. It'd be similar if Google, upon buying Moto, terminated the OHA and dropped the AOSP.
Then you'll have to figure out a way to create an independent group capable of putting Sailfish on those devices. As it stands you'll get Nemo Mobile. Jolla won't do it for the N9 and N900 because they aren't Jolla products.
Well then offer to contribute to Nemo Mobile.
Packager bikeshedding is probably the dumbest thing I ever saw in the development of MeeGo. It's RPM, you'd have to present one hell of a case to trigger a migration back to DEB. Until then, package deltas, kickstarts, and zypper will be leveraged to their fullest.
Go ahead, don't just make claims like that. Back them up with actual links. I want you to show me a consistent, frequent pattern of what you have just stated.
No, you have to show that this is the case. You have yet to do so.
Depends. Is Microsoft designing and having the device manufactured entirely on their own, or are they working with an existing Windows Phone vendor on it?
All of Google's Nexus devices are prominently done by one of their OHA members (HTC, Samsung, ASUS, etc.) and that's probably one reason there's never been a whisper about the Nexus program. By contrast, with Surface Microsoft bypassed all of their OEMs and is going head to head with them.
Mer, the core platform that Jolla is using, will run on the N9 and the N900. I have u-boot installed on my N900 with Nemo Mobile installed on a microSD card and can boot it trivially.
Jolla won't support the N9 and N900 because those are Nokia products. Different company entirely.
Pretty much not going to happen. Mer is its own thing now that just happens to use RPM for packaging.
If you want to get involved, feel free to grab Mer and start poking around. No large corporate foundation to get in your way.
Hopefully they're smarter than Nokia and Microsoft, and won't announce something three months or more before it is available. When the N900 came out, I had to wait until December to get mine due to a mix of Nokia incompetence (billing system fail) and a premature announcement.
Also, to survive they need to target a wide audience, not just people who think the N900 is the be-all and end-all of mobile devices. There's no reason they can't do that AND give us what we want at the same time. Survival is paramount, however. Without that they can't deliver anything at all.
Wht is that? Is there no value in a platform that is developed wholly in the open?
Maintaining a narrow focus like the N900 did won't get them anywhere. What they can do is not deliberately interfere when people decide to do unusual things with their devices.
How so? How can it not supercede those?
So not only have you already predicted doom, but doom because they haven't already delivered a huge app market (how could they, stupid Catch-22) and you somehow know exactly what they think their market is.
That's what you want. No reason they can't target a more mainstream market and let us load all the random RPMs we want.
Ooh, is someone upset that the GOP and its representatives (official or otherwise) would be taken for being mad?
Beck falls into chasm created by Poe's law.
I see, people see Beck say wild shit and you accuse people here of suffering from Aspergers. Real classy one you are.
Considering the man can't tell a joke for shit and the other wild-ass garbage come out of the Republican Party these days, I'm not surprised at all that people missed it.
IT'S A CONSPIRACY! And Slashdot is in on it too! Careful, you're starting to sound like Beck as well.
Yeah people! Stop thinking about new ways of doing things! Get in line with the One True Way!
For varying perspectives on what constitutes "free."
Yup. I'm a fan of hardware arbitrarily failing to function. Looking at the list of distros that use it, they're all pretty much irrelevant at this point.
Which is why I expect a corresponding plummet in the average computer skills of people from regions dominated by such consumption-geared devices. Nothing quite like having capability withheld from you for the sake of someone's bottom line.
I'm sorry, what you just wrote makes no sense whatsoever. I don't see how it is at all relevant to the comments preceding yours.
I can also install an arbitrary package, or add a repo I approve of.
If it's like Apple, they'll charge you $99 for the ability to load a development package for 120 days. I suspect it'll be a little more relaxed, but you still won't be able to give installable packages to people.
It's "FUD" because people are hurt that Microsoft is getting negative attention over this, and think that Apple somehow gets a pass.
Most importantly, Windows 8 introduces what I'm guessing is version 1.0 of the WinRT API, which is heavily restricted and enforces the walled garden for Microsoft. I'm sure that it will be the only API getting updates in the future and eventually they'll move DirectX into its purview.
Except for stuff that uses WinRT. You can do what you want with the obsolete Win32 API.
Which makes it all OK!
Ah yes, because Jailbreaking makes such hostile platforms acceptable.
Given that Android will allow you to do as you wish with a checkbox, then really it is a problem. The other platforms treat you with the same utter hostility that you would some anonymous attacker over the internet.
It is, but people seem happy to dismiss it because Apple somehow makes it OK.
That's their point. They have removed the ability for the end user to do as they wish with the intention of turning them into a portal by which you dump your wallet into the greedy hands of the entertainment industries. It's their dream come true: heavy DRM, no uncertified softare, and the users are controlled tightly.
It is a big deal. These devices are displacing regular, unrestricted computers from homes. Eventually we will start having kids grow up where the only "computer" is a crippled tablet whose primary purpose is extracting money from its owner and passive consumption.
Only if you agree to call iOS devices the same, which is ridiculous given the restrictions.
Oh sweet, so yet another game could be ruined by becoming a console to PC port?
This sentiment is incorrect, and I'll let you figure out why.
You may not, but what do you get from attacking them like Apple and Microsoft do?