Android didn't push webOS and MeeGo out of the market.
Rather, it ensured they had nowhere to go as it had gobbled up all the other vendors.
MeeGo just wasn't compelling to end users
Which is a statement I see repeated often but with not a shred of evidence behind it, usually spoken by those who don't understand what the goals of MeeGo were.
Android is free.
For varying degrees of free, up until Google closes the source for the newest version.
It would be nice if Google could use their considerable influence to convince hardware makers to release open drivers, but you need to pick your battles one at a time.
I'm pretty sure that's a battle Google has no intention of taking up, as their purposes are served with the status quo.
and it is the right of the individuals to search for better places to live.
Ohh, negatory. Corporations can travel the world and set up shop pretty much anywhere. You will be barred from working in a country unless a company there hires you and gets a visa. And unless you're already an employee, getting that visa is extra, extra hard.
Corporations are "freer" than people, which is why the "free market" falls down on its face.
- that will NOT be enough, you also have to stop destroying the money.
So you admit that you are entirely pro-corporate and anti-worker, willing to sacrifice life, limb, and the environment for the sake of corporate profits.
Prior to 1913 basically there was no business regulations, there was no income or corporate or payroll taxes either, and USA was building up its wealth and reserve faster than anybody else on the planet
Yes, the industrial revolution. A grimy, diseased, nasty time to live unless you were one of the rich.
So basically, what you're saying is that unless we bend over and do exactly as corporations want, we're done for?
USA government is the entity that destroyed the private sector in the first place
Hahahah. No, corporations have destroyed it by moving it all to China to get around the regulations the people of this country demanded be put in place. They won't bring it back until we're willing to accept labor conditions and pollution equivalent to what China has now.
The oil industry pays huge amounts of taxes and it provides the people with all the oil they need for all the uses.
Thus what? The core problem is the oil itself as a burned fuel.
The alternative energy industry LIVES on taxes, what does it provide people with?
A way forward as it gets started in the face of a complacent market and competition with a vested interest in it not getting off the ground?
Bad business model and more taxes going towards some chosen contractors for political reasons.
So we should just stick forever with fossil fuels and just hand the entire market over to the Chinese? We're already learning that this is bad for anyone but the owners of the companies involved.
say thank you, Chinese government, for the subsidy that you are giving to people, who clearly are too dumb to understand that they are getting it (IF that's what the Chinese are doing - they are subsidising you at the moment.)
Precisely, they're subsidizing such purchases so we don't buy from vendors in the US.
Chinese people are NOT gaining, they are losing by subsidising your consumption, and it is done by their gov't destroying their currency in order to cause lower prices for the products that the Chinese are making via the fake exchange rate.
China likes to play a long game whereby they peg their currency close to the USD and manipulate it so that it's perpetually below rather than fluctuating like it should. The core advantage to this is that Chinese goods are always cheaper, and this, combined with lax environmental regulations and subsidies allows them to perpetually undercut foreign vendors and eventually drive them out of business.
Then the price goes up, but not enough to start production again. This game is playing out right now with the rare earths.
I already talked about it, clearly not everybody is getting the point.
So what you're saying that China is basically running bad economics that will lead to it eventually self destructing? Yeah, so by keeping some manufacturing in the US we have a chance of protecting ourselves from it. Doubt we will, but it's worth a shot.
There is all this nonsense talk about how oil industry is getting 'subsidies', while in reality those so called 'subsidies' are just deductions in tax payments that the oil companies make, all while the real subsidies is money that the gov't wastes giving uninsured loans or just straight money to all these 'alternative energy' companies
And yet the subsidies that the fossil fuel companies get are above and beyond what the alternative energy groups get.
that in reality would have never gotten anywhere based on the real market, all this, while the Chinese companies found all the necessary efficiencies to produce lots and lots of those solar panels very cheaply, and now there are all these tariffs by the US gov't on the Chinese solar panel products.
Yup, efficiencies like free money from the Chinese government coupled with extremely low labor costs and extremely lax environmental standards.
who is really gaining when the Chinese are importing cheap solar panels into USA in exchange for US dollars?
China, of course.
Unless you're thinking that we actually have a "Free Market," in which case I have several bridges and inland oceanside property to sell you.
With some 9,000 privilege escalations on Android, the Proof is in the pudding.
Which says NOTHING, not one goddamn thing, in defense of completely locking users out of their own devices with no flexibility.
Apple's much-maligned "Walled Garden" (where the "walls" are so far away as to be virtually out-of-sight)
They're right there for anyone who looks.
and Developer Registration Program are exactly the reasons cited as to why you can't even find a number for iOS Malware.
Which is meaningless in my context, and only points out that Google needs to enforce greater controls on their store.
And since you consider yourself to not be an idiot; surely you realize that you can trivially jailbreak your iOS device (thanks in part to the fact that Apple really doesn't work too hard to prevent that), and enjoy the same illusion-of-freedom that you ascribe to Android.
I don't care for having to fight, or give money to, a vendor that seeks to control my actions. Not to mention one that would leverage Federal laws to shut down such jailbreaking if not for a serendipitous decision by the Library of Congress.
illusion-of-freedom that you ascribe to Android.
Thankfully I didn't say a goddamn thing about Android. Go stuff words in other people's mouths, please. I don't care for zealots who see other platforms as the enemy and characterize any slights against their preferred platform as support for the platform they hate.
I like the hardware of the iPad, but by virtue of being an iPad it runs an OS that forcibly puts you on the outside of its security model, trusting only the platform vendor.
So yeah, I don't like it because it's an iPad. I'd also dislike it if it were crippled in the way that ASUS and Motorola lock down their tablet bootloaders and force you to surrender your warranty before you can do as you wish.
Depends on what isotope of plutonium. If you burn the nuclear material through enough stages you're left with Pu-238 which has a half life of 88 years. I don't know of any Cesium isotope that has a half-life of 240 years (and you get to define what an "ecologic half life" is,) the primary concern with nuclear materials is Cs-137, which has a half life of 30 years.
They could transition back to Harmattan, and continue the N9's success. That'd get people's attention, but I suspect that Microsoft won't allow that to happen.
Lack of support for other filesystems is what leads us directly down the path of Microsoft's FAT lawsuits and the forcing of exFAT on SDXC cards. MS has the ability to dictate what heavily patented things they own will be adopted by updated technologies. We could have had a more stable and damage resistant, possibly unpatented filesystem for SDXC, but MS won't have that. And due to their monopoly, they can guarantee that such options will never be considered.
So yes, it's a deficiency. A deliberate one that MS uses to manipulate the market to the disadvantage of everyone else.
I'm really looking forward to, say, Debian or Ubuntu just bundling Dalvik and a large portion of the Android stack.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to burning all the existing software we have to the ground in favor of handing control over our platform to Google.
(Likewise, I'm looking forward to CyanogeMod bundling large portions of Debian or Ubuntu, where it makes sense to do so, so I can maybe run Eclipse or at least Emacs on my Nook Color, with the full surrounding ecosystem that those environments expect.)
Which won't happen so long as Android is the dominant OS on the platform and remains 100% incompatible with the wider Linux world.
If that happened, Google would manage to throw the open source/free software communities into even greater disarray than Microsoft could ever hope to, especially if they decide to up and close the source again, seeing as how they have no public upstream and do nothing whatsoever in the open.
To contrast, Firefox not only gives you a dialog saying "Firefox updated, restart Firefox!" but also follows this with an in-your-face addon-compatibility dialog the first time the new version starts.
Yup, it keeps you informed of what it is doing rather than doing so silently and surreptitiously.
Firefox changes something in the visual style every other version or so.
Funny, I haven't noticed a visual change since FF4, whereupon I promptly reverted its appearance back to the FF3.6 style.
Of course, if you subscribe to the Apple-fueled anti-nerd crowd that is growing on sites like Slashdot and Ars, because most people aren't computer nerds, no one should be a computer nerd. And anyone that is, should be verbally abused and attacked for it.
But yet, once again, it is Apple that gets singled-out.
Fucktard.
Oh, is the poor fanboy hurt? Apple started that shit, and they're higher profile than any other vendor so of course they're going to be singled out for it.
It's obvious that their goal is to monopolize the distribution of information paid for by the public, and if they back down now it's only because they intend to try again later when the public eye is off of them, much like the RIAA/MPAA and their attempted purchase of SOPA/PIPA.
So mentioning of an irrelevant, temporary detail is pointless.
It's hilarious how people bash LO for not being 100% compatible with what is effectively an undocumented, proprietary format that shifts greatly between versions. Even OOXML is deeply tied into Microsoft internals and features a ridiculously large spec full of binary blobs. Seriously, I'd buy the criticisms if the all of the formats were open and fully documented but virtually every criticism is specific to undocumented formats that the vendors leverage to hinder competitors from encroaching on their market share.
The rest of your arguments are off topic for the subject at hand.
I had better stock up on the KY for the reaming I'm about to get in downmods.
Ironically, if I were to downmod you rather than post, it'd be because of this silly passive-aggressive statement.
It's a stupid analogy if you see an iPad as being "a normal multi-purpose computer".
And it is, only Apple wants to dictate what those purposes are.
And I'm saying that's not how Apple intends it to be conceptualised.
Of course they don't, that would interfere with their business model.
But that's the thing-- I don't see an iPad as being in the same category as a PC (or at least, I don't think that's the way Apple is selling/inviting its core customer base to conceptualise it).
You don't because you've bought the Apple pablum. Apple definitely intends to replace the PC for most people with the iPad.
But if I chose to go down a non-standard route of development/deployment of my apps, I don't see it as a failing of Apple not to support that and accept that I would then be "on my own".
It'd be one thing if Apple let you do it and simply didn't support you. Instead, they actively interfere to try and prevent you from going off "on your own."
Again, I completely understand that some people will want that type of open device. What I don't personally share is the belligerence to spend energy on circumventing the iPad's controls rather than just buying a different, more open device in that case.
The issue is that Apple is the 800lb gorilla in the market, and can have an impact on the market beyond just their user base. Both MS and Apple are pushing locked down devices to the exclusion of more open devices, and are aggressively attacking the more open option in an effort to drive it out of the market entirely. I hesitate to think of what will come if they succeed in turning the mobile space into a mirror image of the stagnant desktop space, only with more lock down to keep end-users under control.
This is a subjective view based on a particularly slanted viewpoint.
Really?
An alternative view is that Apple are trying to make technology accessible to non-technical people and preventing them from doing dumb things that ruins their experience.
So you too hold the average user in contempt?
Stop and think why they are having success with this approach for a minute.
Because they deliver a good end-user experience and make it quick and easy to locate good software? I haven't seen a single thing connecting it to denying the ability to load software from 3rd party locations.
Its because the much vaunted freedom approach has failed those who aren't leet.
Bullshit.
You can shout and scream all you like but the alternative has been tried and found wanting.
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Rather, it ensured they had nowhere to go as it had gobbled up all the other vendors.
Which is a statement I see repeated often but with not a shred of evidence behind it, usually spoken by those who don't understand what the goals of MeeGo were.
For varying degrees of free, up until Google closes the source for the newest version.
I'm pretty sure that's a battle Google has no intention of taking up, as their purposes are served with the status quo.
And it never fails that there are hate-filled naysayers who attack everything and anything that looks promising.
Ohh, negatory. Corporations can travel the world and set up shop pretty much anywhere. You will be barred from working in a country unless a company there hires you and gets a visa. And unless you're already an employee, getting that visa is extra, extra hard.
Corporations are "freer" than people, which is why the "free market" falls down on its face.
So you admit that you are entirely pro-corporate and anti-worker, willing to sacrifice life, limb, and the environment for the sake of corporate profits.
Yes, the industrial revolution. A grimy, diseased, nasty time to live unless you were one of the rich.
So basically, what you're saying is that unless we bend over and do exactly as corporations want, we're done for?
Fuck you.
Hahahah. No, corporations have destroyed it by moving it all to China to get around the regulations the people of this country demanded be put in place. They won't bring it back until we're willing to accept labor conditions and pollution equivalent to what China has now.
Thus what? The core problem is the oil itself as a burned fuel.
A way forward as it gets started in the face of a complacent market and competition with a vested interest in it not getting off the ground?
So we should just stick forever with fossil fuels and just hand the entire market over to the Chinese? We're already learning that this is bad for anyone but the owners of the companies involved.
Precisely, they're subsidizing such purchases so we don't buy from vendors in the US.
China likes to play a long game whereby they peg their currency close to the USD and manipulate it so that it's perpetually below rather than fluctuating like it should. The core advantage to this is that Chinese goods are always cheaper, and this, combined with lax environmental regulations and subsidies allows them to perpetually undercut foreign vendors and eventually drive them out of business.
Then the price goes up, but not enough to start production again. This game is playing out right now with the rare earths.
So what you're saying that China is basically running bad economics that will lead to it eventually self destructing? Yeah, so by keeping some manufacturing in the US we have a chance of protecting ourselves from it. Doubt we will, but it's worth a shot.
And yet the subsidies that the fossil fuel companies get are above and beyond what the alternative energy groups get.
Yup, efficiencies like free money from the Chinese government coupled with extremely low labor costs and extremely lax environmental standards.
China, of course.
Unless you're thinking that we actually have a "Free Market," in which case I have several bridges and inland oceanside property to sell you.
Oh, an Apple White Knight.
Which says NOTHING, not one goddamn thing, in defense of completely locking users out of their own devices with no flexibility.
They're right there for anyone who looks.
Which is meaningless in my context, and only points out that Google needs to enforce greater controls on their store.
I don't care for having to fight, or give money to, a vendor that seeks to control my actions. Not to mention one that would leverage Federal laws to shut down such jailbreaking if not for a serendipitous decision by the Library of Congress.
Thankfully I didn't say a goddamn thing about Android. Go stuff words in other people's mouths, please. I don't care for zealots who see other platforms as the enemy and characterize any slights against their preferred platform as support for the platform they hate.
Hey look, it's another all or nothing absolutist.
Ah yes, the old "these people are idiots, therefore everyone must be treated as such" fallacy.
That's not a troll post.
I like the hardware of the iPad, but by virtue of being an iPad it runs an OS that forcibly puts you on the outside of its security model, trusting only the platform vendor.
So yeah, I don't like it because it's an iPad. I'd also dislike it if it were crippled in the way that ASUS and Motorola lock down their tablet bootloaders and force you to surrender your warranty before you can do as you wish.
Depends on what isotope of plutonium. If you burn the nuclear material through enough stages you're left with Pu-238 which has a half life of 88 years. I don't know of any Cesium isotope that has a half-life of 240 years (and you get to define what an "ecologic half life" is,) the primary concern with nuclear materials is Cs-137, which has a half life of 30 years.
They could transition back to Harmattan, and continue the N9's success. That'd get people's attention, but I suspect that Microsoft won't allow that to happen.
Lack of support for other filesystems is what leads us directly down the path of Microsoft's FAT lawsuits and the forcing of exFAT on SDXC cards. MS has the ability to dictate what heavily patented things they own will be adopted by updated technologies. We could have had a more stable and damage resistant, possibly unpatented filesystem for SDXC, but MS won't have that. And due to their monopoly, they can guarantee that such options will never be considered.
So yes, it's a deficiency. A deliberate one that MS uses to manipulate the market to the disadvantage of everyone else.
I'm really looking forward to, say, Debian or Ubuntu just bundling Dalvik and a large portion of the Android stack.
Yeah, I'm really looking forward to burning all the existing software we have to the ground in favor of handing control over our platform to Google.
(Likewise, I'm looking forward to CyanogeMod bundling large portions of Debian or Ubuntu, where it makes sense to do so, so I can maybe run Eclipse or at least Emacs on my Nook Color, with the full surrounding ecosystem that those environments expect.)
Which won't happen so long as Android is the dominant OS on the platform and remains 100% incompatible with the wider Linux world.
If that happened, Google would manage to throw the open source/free software communities into even greater disarray than Microsoft could ever hope to, especially if they decide to up and close the source again, seeing as how they have no public upstream and do nothing whatsoever in the open.
You're still a hurt fanboy, as evidenced by your angry tone and repetitive use of vulgarities.
Yup, it keeps you informed of what it is doing rather than doing so silently and surreptitiously.
Funny, I haven't noticed a visual change since FF4, whereupon I promptly reverted its appearance back to the FF3.6 style.
Of course, if you subscribe to the Apple-fueled anti-nerd crowd that is growing on sites like Slashdot and Ars, because most people aren't computer nerds, no one should be a computer nerd. And anyone that is, should be verbally abused and attacked for it.
Oh, is the poor fanboy hurt? Apple started that shit, and they're higher profile than any other vendor so of course they're going to be singled out for it.
Which is precisely how the MPAA/RIAA want you to be perceived, and MS/Apple are more than willing to help them along.
The irony in this statement, given how many times I've had the "resale value" thrown in my face as a reason for Apple product superiority over others.
It's obvious that their goal is to monopolize the distribution of information paid for by the public, and if they back down now it's only because they intend to try again later when the public eye is off of them, much like the RIAA/MPAA and their attempted purchase of SOPA/PIPA.
So mentioning of an irrelevant, temporary detail is pointless.
EU servers were probably shipped from France. US servers were shipped from LA.
It's hilarious how people bash LO for not being 100% compatible with what is effectively an undocumented, proprietary format that shifts greatly between versions. Even OOXML is deeply tied into Microsoft internals and features a ridiculously large spec full of binary blobs. Seriously, I'd buy the criticisms if the all of the formats were open and fully documented but virtually every criticism is specific to undocumented formats that the vendors leverage to hinder competitors from encroaching on their market share.
The rest of your arguments are off topic for the subject at hand.
Ironically, if I were to downmod you rather than post, it'd be because of this silly passive-aggressive statement.
I guess the Slashdot of old is dead. Pro-lockdown posters defending it, here of all places.
Err, an option to bypass Apple-imposed lock down would not suddenly let the "internet" infest your iPad.
Being locked in a jail cell keeps you safe too, I hear.
And it is, only Apple wants to dictate what those purposes are.
Of course they don't, that would interfere with their business model.
You don't because you've bought the Apple pablum. Apple definitely intends to replace the PC for most people with the iPad.
It'd be one thing if Apple let you do it and simply didn't support you. Instead, they actively interfere to try and prevent you from going off "on your own."
The issue is that Apple is the 800lb gorilla in the market, and can have an impact on the market beyond just their user base. Both MS and Apple are pushing locked down devices to the exclusion of more open devices, and are aggressively attacking the more open option in an effort to drive it out of the market entirely. I hesitate to think of what will come if they succeed in turning the mobile space into a mirror image of the stagnant desktop space, only with more lock down to keep end-users under control.
Really?
So you too hold the average user in contempt?
Because they deliver a good end-user experience and make it quick and easy to locate good software? I haven't seen a single thing connecting it to denying the ability to load software from 3rd party locations.
Bullshit.
Again, bullshit.