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Windows Phone Homebrew Hits a Snag
symbolset writes "TheNextWeb is reporting that the first official jailbreak for Windows Phone 7, ChevronWP7, has 'sold out' of tokens to enable homebrew application support. Only 10,000 tokens to jailbreak Windows Phones were ever granted. According to an announcement through ChevronWP7's Twitter feed, they're discussing whether they will ask Microsoft to make more available. With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get."
With Lumia falling flat in Europe Microsoft needs all the enthusiastic modding fans they can get.
Actually, Lumia is performing really well in Europe and Australia. In November it was on top of sales charts of Sweden and Australia and in December in United Kingdom, beating both Android devices and iPhone. Nokia and Microsoft did really well in Europe.
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits. Both Android and iPhone have exploits (even tho users usually label them as rooting their phones, but essentially it's the same).
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no exploits.
And as the Microsoft astroturfers keep telling us, that's only because the market share is so low that no-one cares enough to try to exploit it.
Reminds me of my senior year in high school -> the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Placing a bunch of chairs out on the quad does not compare with dismantling and reassembling a teacher's car on one of the higher levels of the library.
I am John Hurt.
Because they haven't sold enough WP7 to anyone to waste their time trying.
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Erm, try again:
European customers yawning at Microsoft/Nokia Windows phone. ... lukewarm response in Europe despite rock-bottom dumping prices financed by Microsoft who badly wants Android to fail.
Windows Phone 7 is actually the only current phone with no known exploits. Both Android and iPhone have exploits (even tho users usually label them as rooting their phones, but essentially it's the same).
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If new tokens are not issued, I'm sure the community will start looking for, and will find, such exploits.
ChevronWP7 wasn't a jailbreak, it didn't give you control over the phone. All it really did was give you the rights of a developer account, without paying for it.
Those of us who were waiting for a true jailbreak, with native-code execution and control of the system, were sorely disappointed that ChevronWP7 got so much publicity, because after that, people stopped working on trying to really jailbreak the phone. It was sad.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
"Homebrew" is by far my favorite codeword in all of nerddom. A close second is "evil."
So, basically, Lumia topped sales on one website for a few days. And another website had put into 'bestseller list' without releasing any numbers.
Yeah, it really performs well. Maybe next month a "Joe's Web Store" site would put it into "Top Wishlisted" products.
Or, because there was a "legit" way to root the phone. Now that there's not, watch an exploit appear.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
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If Cyanogen can't run on it then I don't want it. So Nokia is out of the question.
I bought a Nokia N9 on the grey market to add to my collection of Maemo phones. I have an N770, N800, N900, and now an N9. What really surprised me is that the N9 is beautiful, the OS is great, and the screens are beautiful. People would have loved the N9 if they were able to buy it. Elop certainly made sure it was not only dead, but he had Nokia use up the N9 parts (except the processor) building that Lumina 800 thing.
If I had my way at Nokia. They would still do what they do best making beautiful hardware, and allow people to choose from Symbian, Maemo, and Android. No one really wants WP7, and it just isn't very good.
My guess is that Microsoft got to Nokia's board and installed Elop to have Nokia sign away rights to do anything other than pay Microsoft as part one. Part two is to destroy Nokia so that Microsoft can buy their stock for penny's and get control of Nokia's massive patent portfolio. Once that's done, Microsoft will become the world's largest patent troll and simple make Google and Apple pay to sell cell phones. After all, this would be the normal Microsoft modus operandi of extortion rather than development. Microsoft loves being sneaky. I am sure the bosses at Microsoft know that WP7 is junk, and could never compete on it's merits. To me, WP7 is just a sham to cover Microsoft's true objectives of fraud and extortion without being sued outright.
So, there.
* Carthago Delenda Est *
There was never a "legit" way to root the phone. There was a way to pay money to do what (most) Android devices let you do out of the gate.
Maybe it has something to do with the simple fact that Linux is often used in big business to run servers with mission-critical services while WP7 phone is at best about as important as overpriced paperweight.
Hm, that's about 160 per day. Assume most were in the leading days, but that's not important. This is a KEY TO GET ALL WINDOWS PHJONE APPS FOR FREE!, without fear of MS popping up a "app revoked" on your next phone sync, and all you can move is 160 a day?
I knoew Windows Phone market was fractional, but 160 a day? That is subfractional.
Yes, desktop Linux is secure enough for only semi-loud malware story about it to be "someone uploaded trojan shell script masked as a Gnome addon to a third-party Gnome addons site, some people actually downloaded it and some even ran it". Can't remember did it try to get user to sudo it or just did what it could with user's permissions.
Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.
Windows, on the other hand, has a few nice MS-introduced OS level vulnerabilities discovered this year - not to forget about the beautiful times brought by LoveSan and alikes.
Fight piracy ! use the original N9 one ... dont buy crappy copies such as that sandboxed toy for lamers
I will ignore WP7 untill someone port a decent framework like Qt or native dll ...
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I don't consider phishing an OS exploit. Don't recall any iOS exploits and I doubt there is a reliable exploit for Android that can be carried out minus user intervention.
I object to power without constructive purpose. --Spock
Because Linux is open-source. It has a million eyes looking at it. :)
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
If dismantling and reassembling the car caused damage, were the students involved planning to pay for the damage they caused? What if someone got hurt, were the students going to perform surgery on them to fix the injury?
(More likely, the students believed themselves invincible. They didn't consider the possibility they'd cause damage or hurt anyone because they were so sure of themselves that they didn't bother to account for it. (And no, the fact that it worked once without harm doesn't mean they were right--they just didn't hit the random chance of making a bad mistake. Crossing the street without looking out for oncoming cars works too--most of the time.)
what kind of a jail break wont let you copy hte jailbreak to any phone...ROFL
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True, but associated risk / repair costs are much lower
Holy Sh*t! 10,000 pirates, that is 731 pirates (rounded up) for every available app. Dude, we need SOPA, and we need it fast to keep companies that do good work, like Microsoft, alive. Without them, who would innovate?
-Charlie
Just another company to stupid to give the user wtf they want.
Fail, I wont buy one. The last windows phone I had was OK but compared to the Iphone combined with xcode is really very exciting even after all this time.
They are missing in action to me, after awhile they became just a memory.
There is a difference between an unlocked bootloader and an exploit. By your definition, every PC has an "exploit" because it is possible to boot an alternative OS.
I dunno about most. My android device wasn't jailbroken until several weeks after it came out. Even then, the source code to the exploit was kept secret. I know HTC has promised to make this easier, but I have yet to see them keep that promise. They certainly haven't released an update for my phone.
Um... iOS does have exploits... where do you think the ability to jailbreak comes from?
Heck, they even have simple web sites that will do it for you just by clicking on a link! If that's not an easy exploit, then I don't know what is!
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What's more surprising...
The fact MS had so little confidence in their product to only provide 10,000 tokens...
Or that they actually managed to sell 10,000 tokens at all.
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50,000 apps and growing (weeds). It is your typical app store break-down of good, bad, and ugly. Thare are close to two million WP phones out there. Most are US but HTC WP phones are popular in Iran (the only WP phone brand sold there). Italy has a small base of devotees that swear by it (the italians love Free apps, which is understandable - and I don't mean free apps, but Free apps). Nokia is aiming for mainland China with the upcoming WP Tango version. Billions of customers Elop says.
I guess WP7 has no such exploits ;-)
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a second- there are more than 10,000 WP7 users?
So Linux is only secure if you hire a system administrator to install and configure it. And yet.. Linux webservers keep getting defaced daily. And yet ... Linux kernel has *always* had more security bugs than the NT kernel. If every security bug in Linux was front page news on slashdot like Windows bugs Linux would probably have 0.1 market sharre instead of 0.3. (LOL)
http://www.exploit-db.com/platform/?p=linux
Windows putting their software on Nokia is like Ford putting its engine in a Rolls Royce car.. looks nice, but fails to perform.
Short of a volkswagen beetle, what car could be so disassembled that it'd fit through the doors, much less be reassemblable inside of a library?
I'd always wondered about this, since nothing produced (in the US at least!) in the past 30 years has been disassemblable to the level where it'd fit through double doors without using a hacksaw to split the unibody into 2-4 pieces in order to get it in to reassemble. And how many people would you need to carry the frame to begin with?
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The only people with WP7 phones are MS employees. Now why would they write exploits and risk losing their job?
But you don't need to "jailbreak" an Android device to install out of market apps, which is 99% of what "jailbreakers" want to do with their phone.
On Android, it's just a check box, and it's free.
Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak) without any hacks.
Because its "image" is old as m$ image is old. They can sell their phones to some old guy that hasn't seen nothing different from the M$ crap in its life. He buys this stuff because he feels home there. Young people are far more open to new things and are naturally inclined to dump everything that smells as old .
Finally! Now we can designate Android fanboi as M$ Shills!
Two months ago, I traded my wonderful G2 for a HD7 to get a taste of the Windows Phone experience. I've used Windows Mobile since the 2003 version on the MPx200 (solid flip-phone; absolutely loved it) and wanted to see how far Microsoft has matured in the mobile arena.
:)
Windows Phone 7 has, hands down, the best mobile UI experience you can get right now. Everything is fluid, fast and easy. The stock applications and voice controls gel perfectly and make Android look like a total mess, though it's cleaned up its act with Ice Cream Sandwich. App switching is WebOS-like and will make multi-tasking awesome when it comes to life in the next version. It's integration with Windows Live and Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn is the best I have ever seen and used and totally antiquates the need for their dedicated apps. (This might not matter for many Slashdot folks, but it matters for most people.) Forget iPod and iTunes; the Zune is just as easy to use and is much prettier to use. (It helps that the Zune software runs great on Windows, unlike iTunes.) The camera has ZERO lag, though the lens on the HD7 absolutely sucked. It's experience is absolutely beautiful and I can totally see iPhone users defecting to this once the app ecosystem.
Microsoft's strategy to use Nokia as their flagship supplier makes much more sense after you use it for a while; Nokia still has huge brand recognition and will shake up the market really nicely when they release (and market) their ace device.
The biggest obvious problem is that Apple and Android both had first-mover's advantage and, thus, own the space at the moment. However, this is not as problematic as it seems. People are getting tired of iOS (it hasn't changed very much since 1.0, despite great hardware advances) and Windows Phone offers a very cool and equally smooth alternative that a lot of people will feel comfortable moving to, especially with its strong Facebook integration. It's going to be very difficult for Apple to match this and Android's UI improvements and they can't depend on making killer hardware leaps anymore since both fronts have caught up there. (Kind of like how Intel can't really market GHz anymore since every processor is "fast enough.")
Apple is, finally, in trouble, but that's what happens when you're on top for so long.
The football team hefted the parts upstairs, if I remember correctly. Compared to what they encounter out on the field, I think any injury would be considered minor in comparison.
And taking apart a car and putting it back together is something many mechanics do on a daily basis.
I am John Hurt.
You need a special TOKEN just to develop for the damn things? And there's a shortage? Do they have a basement full of MS trolls hand-crafting each token?
If they thought the ability was intrinsically dangerous, they wouldn't offer these tokens. If they weren't control freaks, they wouldn't make people beg them for a token just to have a bit more control over the phone. It's the worst kind of artificial scarcity.
Server Linux, on the other hand, is very attractive target as it hosts a big part of the web and targeted software is not Linux per se, but usually buggy CMS's and unpatched Apache installations.
And when Windows is targeted its always the case that the OS is fully patched and Microsoft is at fault? Never Adobe.. Never Sun/Oracle.. Haha Well one cant expect anti-ms trolls like you to be honest, but hey atleast its obvious that you are a Linux cheerleader. No big deal...
The only people with WP7 phones are MS employees. Now why would they write exploits and risk losing their job?
I have one. Not an MS employee. Sorry to have to kill that one.
Just let us install what we want on our devices from any source that we want. You don't have to allow "root" access just the same permissions and sandboxed isolated storage, manifest based security constraints as any app avaliable on the app store.
I mean whats the difference between just making it a feature of the platform vs having to go through a few extra hoops for the same outcome? Your "enterprise" customers would thank you.
Don't be another evil Apple who thinks it is ok to control what can be installed on our devices. This behavior is NOT ok. Unlike other platforms there is no valid security or reliability reason for it either.
The more they destroy their developer-base and show that they are unfriendly to developers, the more developers will avoid WP7. The net result being the suicide of WP7. This is great... well, except for the two people that bought a WP7 phone.
You reap what you sow.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
ChevronWP, in its present incarnation, is not root. It merely allows you to sideload apps on a limited basis - basically same as what developer account gets, for 1/10 of the price.
Why do you buy phones which are "Jailed" in the first place? Why not just tell these companies to piss off. Why not boycott them, sending a clear message to these fascist companies that people don't want "Jailed Phones." Furthermore "jail break" presumes something has been broken. So basically you are buying a new phone and then proceeding to break it. After it's "broken" the warranty and everything goes out the window. If I step on your Priceless 1956 Collectable PEZ Dispenser and crush it to pieces and then super glue it back is it truly the same? If somehow people can swallow all this insanity, what I truly do not understand is why anyone would willingly buy a phone which you know is spied on?
Would you buy a zillog Z80 when you actually needed an intel 8048 for the keyboard? Then what the fuck are you doing buying these stupid smart phones which are "jailed?"
I must admit I am 100% confused. I have a backyard full of dog shit, would someone like to buy some future fertilizer? It won't work as fertilizer right now because it's working as shit, but if you buy it and work with it for awhile you can get it to a low grade fertilizer over time. Oh and in fact every time my dog shits, it's up for sale.
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You don't really expect to find objective commentary about Microsoft's products on this hive of freetards website do you?
No more Points, Coupons now. Next you convert Coupons to Tokens. Then you make Tokens into Credits!
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You know, the whole "two people who bought..." meme would be a lot funnier in an article that wasn't about how ten thousand tokens for homebrew development sold out in just a few months. Let's break down that 10,000 to get an idea of what it really means, though:
These aren't needed for people who are already developers - they have legit developer accounts, which offer the same access plus submitting to the Marketplace.
These people don't work for Microsoft - developer accounts are free to employees (I interned there and know some people who still work there).
These aren't needed for people who were early adopters - the original ChevronWP7 Unlocker worked just fine for the first few months of after release.
These aren't needed for everyday users - most of them will never have heard of homebrew or have any interest in dev-unlocking their phones.
These aren't needed for LG device owners - their phones ship with a built-in registry editor that can dev-unlock the phones.
These aren't needed for Samsung device owners (anymore) - WindowBreak does the same thing (though it only came out a few weeks ago).
What does that leave:
People who want homebrew, who bought the phone months after release, who don't have developer accounts and aren't MS employees, and who aren't using LG (or now Samsung) phones. Since availability started on 4 Nov 2011 (http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/12328024419/chevronwp7-labs-availability), ten thousand such people have used the service.
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Nokia is now completely depended on the strategy of another company - which in turn does not depend on Nokia at all.
Although Microsoft can and does distribute WP7 to other companies, I think you are wrong that Microsoft does not need Nokia - and they know it. They very badly need a high-quality phone to make headway in the market and without Nokia they would simply be DOA with phones out from a few vendors as an afterthought.
Nokia and Microsoft pairing up as they have gives both of them a chance to get back in the game. That simply was not possible with MeeGo, it could not keep up with the modern mobile operating systems iOS and Android.
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>>the Administration had somehow convinced the students that while pranks were acceptable, they had to be approved before being implemented. Suffice to say, the quality of pranks has since dropped.
Hmm, may or may not be a good thing. I can think of several senior pranks that were actively destructive and not funny, and others in the other subsets of {destructive,funny}.
1) Destructive and !funny: seniors rented a chainsaw and chopped the limbs off the beautiful eucalyptus trees lining the drive to the school, making them look like shaved toothpicks. School had to pay a fortune to replace them. Wasn't funny.
2) Destructive and funny: they covered a car in honey and birdseed. When the person (let's say it was the principal, even though it wasn't) went out to the parking lot, it was covered in birds eating at it. One free car wash later, and it was back to normal.
3) Nondestructive and !funny: they created an entire crime scene on campus after hours, with chalk outlines, broken beer bottles, and police tape. People didn't laugh it it (it was more a WTF moment), and the police actually came out an interrogated people, thinking some crime had actually happened. (Okay, maybe that last bit was a little funny.)
4) Nondestructive and funny: a certain computer science nerd introduced a virus on the school's computers that did nothing hostile (and didn't infect, so not a virus, whatthefuckever), but simply played the name of one of the graduating seniors, at a very low volume, once every half hour or so.
Our administration would have approved exactly zero of the above. So, sure, it would have been a net win for the campus in terms of property destruction, but the campus would have been a lot less of a fun place, which is an intangible that people value highly nonetheless.
In the case of Microsoft needing to approve rooting, and only allowing a limited number of "root licenses", I think it's a brilliant move. All the hardcore hackers will have theirs already, and if WP7 grows more, they can always issue more in small batches, which will pacify the nerds that will otherwise be working hard to root their systems, while still locking in 99% of the population into their closed ecosystem.
Microsoft understands Judo. Sony, by contrast, does not. A bit ironic.
SharkLaser, you are such an obvious douchebag shill. Why are you here, anyway? Wouldn't you have a much better time just going into the (any) ghetto and screaming "Nigger"? You'd find a lot more controversial opposition to your point of view there, I'm sure, and you'd be every bit as popular. For a very short while.
What a waste of skin you are, you fucking oxygen thief. Just go away and die somewhere.
Before rushing to those doomsday conclusions, one should always look at where both stood:
Prior to Elop taking over, it was maybe clear that Symbian was doomed in the long run.
BUT: Nokia was still market leader, in both feature phones and smart phones. They were still profitable in both sectors, with even rising profits in the featurephone market. They had a clear transition strategy in place with Qt from top (MeeGo/Harmattan) to bottom (Qt for S40!). They still had trust of many business customers. True, they had a problem. But the problem wasn't their vision. The problem was execution.
Someone below me already posted, but it bears repeating: Elop threw the baby out with the bathwater. He may have done a lot in breaking the crust inside Nokia. But in the process, he destroyed a lot of mindshare and trust, starting with his infamous memo. He destroyed any reasonable transition strategy, thus alienating businesses, carriers* and retailers. He completely put Nokia's fate in the hand of an external company and a platform, which - although promising - was unproven, unsuccessful, and lacking quite some features that were contributing to Nokia's success (E.g., The enterprise features/policies in WP7 were a joke pre-Mango and are still surprisingly weak...), and which is the only mobile system where frameworks for reasonable cross-plattform development still aren't available.
Oh, and while doing that he unneccessarily destroyed or at least damaged as many bridges as possible beforehand, or so it seems.
*It should be clear that I'm not talking about US carriers here. There wasn't much to alienate here for Nokia..:)
> Many Android phones, such as those from Samsung, are also "rootable" (the other 1% of the jailbreak)
> without any hacks.
Rootable, but not necessarily reflashable with AOSP or Cyanogen unless you're willing to sacrifice 4G data. For some inane reason (most likely having to do with Clear, its lawyers, and/or Sprint's status as an arms-length thirdparty customer instead of 95% of their reason for existing in the first place), Sprint and Samsung have never made it particularly easy to get 4G working in any unblessed configuration -- not even the allegedly 100% open Nexus S. It's not quite *impossible*, but 4G (wimax) data always seems to be the first thing that breaks and the last thing that gets fixed every time a newer kernel than Samsung has officially released is required to run a newer version of Android.
You must be a whole ton of fun at parties.
it was back to normal.
How does this qualify as destructive?
The real reason Lumia fell flat is that Nokia users can't relate to it. It may be good for iphone/android upgraders but it doesn't offer half the features Nokia/Symbian users are accustomed to. Whether its FM transmitter or USB host, HDMI out or Xenon flash, you name it and Lumia doesn't have it. Sticking an 8mpx camera with a smaller sensor than N8 didn't help matters either.
It was completely covered in bird shit.