Its not just NAT Skype does in a way no client have ever done before. Take a read on their site about how skype gets around blocked ports, proxies and every other peice of hardware that can be in the way. Skype handed SIP its own head on a silver plate.
The sound quality on Skype is also pretty amazing. The only thing i lack in skype is a box to connect to the central PBX and hello cheap functional Voip, good riddance expensive routers and all the other hacks needed for implementing most existing implementations of Voip!
Norway is pretty used to open source compared to many other countries. Anyone who use or understand open source will also understand whats wrong with storing YOUR information in a format someone else has total control over. Its just not your own data in a sense. Forcing your citizens to use certain vendors products to function is not something the government should do either.
Demanding your own data to be readable by anyone without tullbooting to a certain vendor is so obvious it almost hurts. The problem is people really dont understand how it works, once they do they wont put up with it. Governments is in a perfect position to demand theese kinds of rules since they serve the public and not any perticular company. It cant be considered a trade hindrance either since there are plenty of free open formats for the propriarity vendors to implement free of charge in their applications.
The reason you dont see many priviledge bugs from the Windows world is that Microsoft has their hands full of remote exploits. Rest assured that local exploits in Windows is more common than in linux because of the integrated applications in Windows.
My employer pays roughly 3200 dollars/month for me, Of that i get to keep about 1600 dollar! The sales taxes in sweden are 24%, except food and books wich are 12% and liqour, a whopping 90%!
Back in BeOS time there really wasnt half as much OSS applications as today. Zeta is from what i understand POSIX compliant and it wont be that hard porting OSS applications over. Firefox is included in this release. I think OSS and GNU/Linux has been a real big help to anyone since it has significantly lowered the applications barrier to entry into the market.
Wether Zeta will take off or not is impossible to predict this soon. I do hope they have an excellent marketing team and a big bunch of laywers at hand couse if it as much as make a blimp on the radar we all know whos gonna be stomping all over Zeta dont we? Zeta is so much easier to get rid of than linux/OSS in general.
Youre kidding here right? I actually worked for three years with NT4 on my desktop and it was nothing but a constant roadblock. This was at the same time i tried BeOS on a much smaller computer with 32 mb ram. Nedless to say BeOS ran burning circles around NT4 on a much smaller computer.
I really suspect you never ever ran either NT4 nor BeOS on a smaller computer. We had 256 mb ram on our NT workstations, later 512 mb and they still crawled.
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Well the people who are like me for example and im not alone. I have been wanting a fast, efficient stable OS for ages but the closest thing ive come to contact with so far is QNX and BeOS. Ill bet there are millions of users who are fed up with Windows XP and just want to surf and play around. They arent enough interested in computers to try linux because what they really want is to play with the apps, not the OS.
I think Zeta should work as hard as possible to get Zeta OS bundled with computers. Start a riot about dual booting, team up with Linspire, anything to get attention. If they are visible people will get curious and once they see how fast a computer really are without all the bloat most users will never look back.
Finally an OS for x86 thats fast and resource efficient! Ive placed my order. I almost cried when BeOS whent tits up. BeOS and now Zeta OS is faster than anything ive ever run on x86. Its a real shame its not free but ill buy it anyway just to get some competition going.
I do hope Zeta will take off. I do think it have a much better chance of success than BeOS because of all the open source applications. The applications barrier is so much smaller today than when BeOS was trying.
If your cheap go for Centos or Debian and if you like paid support RHEL isnt expensive compared to a Windows box with supplemental support. Basically if you want to setup a server and forget it make sure to choose a distribution with a long life expectancy.
That said most configs is easily migrated unless you have been compiling your own brew and have messed around with loads of configs.
I really thing the computing industry and especially the software industry needs to grow up, seriously. There need to be better standardisation. Note that Windows is not a standard as Windows isnt compatible with windows even between variuos upgrades.
Using a computer today demands you know exactly what you are doing and why, For your casual surfer or media user that should not be tha case. All they need to know is where to go and what to watch. Its the OS that demands the users help, not the other way around. No sane user wants to maintain the computer. He do it because he have to.
The fast solution is cramming out specialized computers but that hits the wall pretty quick because of the lack of real standards on the net.
Until we have some sane (widely used by even Microsoft) standards for the web nothing will change and every appliance will fall flat on its face. The industry created this mess with their "not invented here" syndrome and they are the ones who should clean the mess up.
I have had the exact same mouse setup as you have on numerous machines and it have worked without a hitch. I have exchanged many mice on running machines, saluted the ctrl-alt-backspace god and gone from ps/2 to usb without anything altered anywhere manually.
NVIDIA is the worst because their own drivers are severly broken and often dont work with tv-out in linux.
Fast forward to a life with your Mac OS X in the future, on intel. Imagine adding a couple of millions of devices your OS must support and come back to us then. I imagine things wont be as magical by that time and Jamie can do another switch, this time to Plan 9.
I actually use both Windows and Linux at home and at work. The only issue i have in linux is when a manufacturer dont support linux and the specs for the hardware isnt avaliable to anyone to write a free driver. If you peel away the driver issue you will find Linux very plesant to work with.
The driver issue is beyond the OSS movements reach as loads of people without knowledge try to get hardware explicitly marked as "Windows XP only!" to work in linux. The focus should be on the crappy hardware manufacturers who dont support your OS of choice and you who buy hardware that dont work in your daily OS.
Sound support in linux is excellent in most distributions and just works without a single tweak.
Much is left to do but WE as the users can help a tremendous bit here by filing bug reports instead of just shouting and throwing things around.
What do you suggest? That slashdot is made up of people with any common stance on anything? This is why Microsoft never ever will "get" open source. We may have common goals but HOW we will get there is not anything we are on terms with,
Googles various beta lab gadgets are as much vapourware as anything else.
You US citizens need to put things in perspective. 2,823 died in that attack. Thats very sad but damnit, its not even a drop in the ocean compared to other dangerous things. Almost a million a year dies of off bad diet and no exercise (heart faliure). 90,000 dies in motor accidents. 28,000 people is killed by firearms a year. Where are the tough actions preventing theese much worse sources of death?
9/11 was just an excuse to implement the police state the Neocons always wanted. The things the US hated the most about Russia is now being implemented and the US citizens is just watching on. As long as the media is pumping out false and outrageous propaganda it wont change either.
I personally think this is a very bold move. If Apple start chunking out computers with the same price/performance as Microsoft they will be in direct competition. The difference between a Apple Mac and a Windows PC will be the OS. Thats pretty close to start selling MacOS X to any PC manufacturer who meets certain hardware specs.
I dont think this will affect linux that much but it will really put Microsoft at battle stations if it flies.
I live in north Sweden and i can assure you we have enormous taxes on energy here. That dont make us drive any less than before. Our public transportation system isnt usable at all and often even more expensive than driving by car.
For energy comsumption to drop significantly there needs to be changes made in how we live and work. Higher taxes will only make us poor and make us keep our old less efficient cars longer.
Take away Bush and the NeoCons and the US is a pretty nice place.
The thing we europeans have hard to accept is US external affairs wich are frankly terrible, To manage to go from 9/11 where every european soul felt for the US to current state where US is seen upon as an evil empire is a pretty amazing feat.
I can only account for Sweden since thats where i live and work (Network Tech). In Sweden there are a few companies that has most of the market. Microsoft, Tieto Enator and a few others work in close relations. The big application providers do not support linux in any way. Its not a matter of Windows vs. Linux but rather what applications the government sector chooses. Frankly the applications my employer use suck real hard. Upgrading mostly break them, they draw silly amounts of memory and CPU and the support is a joke.
They are probably made very fast, sloppy and with no planning. Thats where Microsoft shines. Put easy tools in the hands of people who shouldnt be making software in the first place.
I always thought the biggest advantage with Mac was the OS. Having a Mac Mini lookalike with Windows does not a Mac Mini do. Unless Intel do some serious shaping up on Windows too this is just an ordinary crappy PC with Windows on it in a smaller package.
"XP SP2 and 2003 SP1 includes firewall, monthly spyware scanner and reasonable default settings for executing remote content (as in - don't) that make an infection an extremely unlikely thing to happen."
Well i do remember hearing that for Win98, WinNT, Win2000 and Win XP. Why is it always you say the next Windows OS is utterly secure and then shows us to be a real stinkpit'o'security-holes?
"Yes, there are security problems with windows, but no, you have to be a giant fucktard newbie to actually ever be affected by them."
So, you really expect a normal user to:
Check the Antivirus application. Check for Spyware. Implement intermediate mesures for holes that arent patched in months. Do regular updates of all the installed applications. Run everything as non admin and just toss those applications that came with the Camera/Camcorder/Mp3player etc out the windows and many games because they wont work as a restricted user. Manage the browser security zones and update all of them regularly. Dont surf on unsafe places, ie. dont use the internet at all.
Youve got to be totally insane if you imagine even a normal admin doing this on every friggin computer on his net. Its not even possible with SUS or Zenworks so it will require quite a bit of handjobs.
You do remember this OS is sold as userfriendly dont you? Its not like its some IKEA furniture.
I have seen many who prefer Windows over other OS because of interoperability concerns but i cant draw to mind a single person who really likes everything about Windows. Except a rare nutcase who thinks Clippy is da bomb its all because everyone else does it.
This is kinda funny and tragic at the same time. In Russia they often added weight to goods. That was because production was mesured in weight and not in quality or finish. A heavy bed was considered "better" since it showed the plant made much stuff.
The US is getting awfully close to old Russia theese days.
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Its not just NAT Skype does in a way no client have ever done before. Take a read on their site about how skype gets around blocked ports, proxies and every other peice of hardware that can be in the way. Skype handed SIP its own head on a silver plate.
The sound quality on Skype is also pretty amazing. The only thing i lack in skype is a box to connect to the central PBX and hello cheap functional Voip, good riddance expensive routers and all the other hacks needed for implementing most existing implementations of Voip!
Norway is pretty used to open source compared to many other countries. Anyone who use or understand open source will also understand whats wrong with storing YOUR information in a format someone else has total control over. Its just not your own data in a sense. Forcing your citizens to use certain vendors products to function is not something the government should do either.
Demanding your own data to be readable by anyone without tullbooting to a certain vendor is so obvious it almost hurts. The problem is people really dont understand how it works, once they do they wont put up with it. Governments is in a perfect position to demand theese kinds of rules since they serve the public and not any perticular company. It cant be considered a trade hindrance either since there are plenty of free open formats for the propriarity vendors to implement free of charge in their applications.
The reason you dont see many priviledge bugs from the Windows world is that Microsoft has their hands full of remote exploits. Rest assured that local exploits in Windows is more common than in linux because of the integrated applications in Windows.
You lucky bastard!
You lucky lucky bastard!
My employer pays roughly 3200 dollars/month for me, Of that i get to keep about 1600 dollar! The sales taxes in sweden are 24%, except food and books wich are 12% and liqour, a whopping 90%!
You lucky bastard!!
Back in BeOS time there really wasnt half as much OSS applications as today. Zeta is from what i understand POSIX compliant and it wont be that hard porting OSS applications over. Firefox is included in this release. I think OSS and GNU/Linux has been a real big help to anyone since it has significantly lowered the applications barrier to entry into the market.
Wether Zeta will take off or not is impossible to predict this soon. I do hope they have an excellent marketing team and a big bunch of laywers at hand couse if it as much as make a blimp on the radar we all know whos gonna be stomping all over Zeta dont we? Zeta is so much easier to get rid of than linux/OSS in general.
NT4 ?
Youre kidding here right? I actually worked for three years with NT4 on my desktop and it was nothing but a constant roadblock. This was at the same time i tried BeOS on a much smaller computer with 32 mb ram. Nedless to say BeOS ran burning circles around NT4 on a much smaller computer.
I really suspect you never ever ran either NT4 nor BeOS on a smaller computer. We had 256 mb ram on our NT workstations, later 512 mb and they still crawled.
Well the people who are like me for example and im not alone. I have been wanting a fast, efficient stable OS for ages but the closest thing ive come to contact with so far is QNX and BeOS. Ill bet there are millions of users who are fed up with Windows XP and just want to surf and play around. They arent enough interested in computers to try linux because what they really want is to play with the apps, not the OS.
I think Zeta should work as hard as possible to get Zeta OS bundled with computers. Start a riot about dual booting, team up with Linspire, anything to get attention. If they are visible people will get curious and once they see how fast a computer really are without all the bloat most users will never look back.
Finally an OS for x86 thats fast and resource efficient! Ive placed my order. I almost cried when BeOS whent tits up. BeOS and now Zeta OS is faster than anything ive ever run on x86. Its a real shame its not free but ill buy it anyway just to get some competition going.
I do hope Zeta will take off. I do think it have a much better chance of success than BeOS because of all the open source applications. The applications barrier is so much smaller today than when BeOS was trying.
If your cheap go for Centos or Debian and if you like paid support RHEL isnt expensive compared to a Windows box with supplemental support. Basically if you want to setup a server and forget it make sure to choose a distribution with a long life expectancy.
That said most configs is easily migrated unless you have been compiling your own brew and have messed around with loads of configs.
I really thing the computing industry and especially the software industry needs to grow up, seriously. There need to be better standardisation. Note that Windows is not a standard as Windows isnt compatible with windows even between variuos upgrades.
Using a computer today demands you know exactly what you are doing and why, For your casual surfer or media user that should not be tha case. All they need to know is where to go and what to watch. Its the OS that demands the users help, not the other way around. No sane user wants to maintain the computer. He do it because he have to.
The fast solution is cramming out specialized computers but that hits the wall pretty quick because of the lack of real standards on the net.
Until we have some sane (widely used by even Microsoft) standards for the web nothing will change and every appliance will fall flat on its face. The industry created this mess with their "not invented here" syndrome and they are the ones who should clean the mess up.
I have had the exact same mouse setup as you have on numerous machines and it have worked without a hitch. I have exchanged many mice on running machines, saluted the ctrl-alt-backspace god and gone from ps/2 to usb without anything altered anywhere manually.
NVIDIA is the worst because their own drivers are severly broken and often dont work with tv-out in linux.
Fast forward to a life with your Mac OS X in the future, on intel. Imagine adding a couple of millions of devices your OS must support and come back to us then. I imagine things wont be as magical by that time and Jamie can do another switch, this time to Plan 9.
I actually use both Windows and Linux at home and at work. The only issue i have in linux is when a manufacturer dont support linux and the specs for the hardware isnt avaliable to anyone to write a free driver. If you peel away the driver issue you will find Linux very plesant to work with.
The driver issue is beyond the OSS movements reach as loads of people without knowledge try to get hardware explicitly marked as "Windows XP only!" to work in linux. The focus should be on the crappy hardware manufacturers who dont support your OS of choice and you who buy hardware that dont work in your daily OS.
Sound support in linux is excellent in most distributions and just works without a single tweak.
Much is left to do but WE as the users can help a tremendous bit here by filing bug reports instead of just shouting and throwing things around.
We?
What do you suggest? That slashdot is made up of people with any common stance on anything? This is why Microsoft never ever will "get" open source. We may have common goals but HOW we will get there is not anything we are on terms with,
Googles various beta lab gadgets are as much vapourware as anything else.
A bete is surely not something to consider a real product. A beta is indeed vapourware until its released to the public no matter how you put it.
Until i see a version that works, is supported by the rest of Microsoft its very much just vapourware and the usual trashtalk from MS executives.
You US citizens need to put things in perspective. 2,823 died in that attack. Thats very sad but damnit, its not even a drop in the ocean compared to other dangerous things. Almost a million a year dies of off bad diet and no exercise (heart faliure). 90,000 dies in motor accidents. 28,000 people is killed by firearms a year. Where are the tough actions preventing theese much worse sources of death?
9/11 was just an excuse to implement the police state the Neocons always wanted. The things the US hated the most about Russia is now being implemented and the US citizens is just watching on. As long as the media is pumping out false and outrageous propaganda it wont change either.
Damn im glad i dont live in the US!
I personally think this is a very bold move. If Apple start chunking out computers with the same price/performance as Microsoft they will be in direct competition. The difference between a Apple Mac and a Windows PC will be the OS. Thats pretty close to start selling MacOS X to any PC manufacturer who meets certain hardware specs.
I dont think this will affect linux that much but it will really put Microsoft at battle stations if it flies.
Its not that simple.
I live in north Sweden and i can assure you we have enormous taxes on energy here. That dont make us drive any less than before. Our public transportation system isnt usable at all and often even more expensive than driving by car.
For energy comsumption to drop significantly there needs to be changes made in how we live and work. Higher taxes will only make us poor and make us keep our old less efficient cars longer.
Take away Bush and the NeoCons and the US is a pretty nice place.
The thing we europeans have hard to accept is US external affairs wich are frankly terrible, To manage to go from 9/11 where every european soul felt for the US to current state where US is seen upon as an evil empire is a pretty amazing feat.
We like the US, not just its überlords.
I can only account for Sweden since thats where i live and work (Network Tech). In Sweden there are a few companies that has most of the market. Microsoft, Tieto Enator and a few others work in close relations. The big application providers do not support linux in any way. Its not a matter of Windows vs. Linux but rather what applications the government sector chooses. Frankly the applications my employer use suck real hard. Upgrading mostly break them, they draw silly amounts of memory and CPU and the support is a joke.
They are probably made very fast, sloppy and with no planning. Thats where Microsoft shines. Put easy tools in the hands of people who shouldnt be making software in the first place.
I smell "mee too!" in the air.
I always thought the biggest advantage with Mac was the OS. Having a Mac Mini lookalike with Windows does not a Mac Mini do. Unless Intel do some serious shaping up on Windows too this is just an ordinary crappy PC with Windows on it in a smaller package.
"XP SP2 and 2003 SP1 includes firewall, monthly spyware scanner and reasonable default settings for executing remote content (as in - don't) that make an infection an extremely unlikely thing to happen."
Well i do remember hearing that for Win98, WinNT, Win2000 and Win XP. Why is it always you say the next Windows OS is utterly secure and then shows us to be a real stinkpit'o'security-holes?
"Yes, there are security problems with windows, but no, you have to be a giant fucktard newbie to actually ever be affected by them."
So, you really expect a normal user to:
Check the Antivirus application.
Check for Spyware.
Implement intermediate mesures for holes that arent patched in months.
Do regular updates of all the installed applications.
Run everything as non admin and just toss those applications that came with the Camera/Camcorder/Mp3player etc out the windows and many games because they wont work as a restricted user.
Manage the browser security zones and update all of them regularly.
Dont surf on unsafe places, ie. dont use the internet at all.
Youve got to be totally insane if you imagine even a normal admin doing this on every friggin computer on his net. Its not even possible with SUS or Zenworks so it will require quite a bit of handjobs.
You do remember this OS is sold as userfriendly dont you? Its not like its some IKEA furniture.
n/t
I have seen many who prefer Windows over other OS because of interoperability concerns but i cant draw to mind a single person who really likes everything about Windows. Except a rare nutcase who thinks Clippy is da bomb its all because everyone else does it.
This is kinda funny and tragic at the same time. In Russia they often added weight to goods. That was because production was mesured in weight and not in quality or finish. A heavy bed was considered "better" since it showed the plant made much stuff.
The US is getting awfully close to old Russia theese days.