When Intel and Microsoft got entrenched in the windows/x86 architecture development of PC almost stopped. Sure we have faster CPU but its in reality ancient and built on very old specs. Microsofts heavy battle against everything crossplattform capable has tied us down on x86 hardware. There are million of ways to make CPU's but we use the oldest one even today.
Fierce competition would have evolved computers long away from x86 if it wasnt for the tie in to x86 and windows. Sure the US has benefitet in short term by the monopoly but when competition stop innovation stops also. Now just about any country with cheap labour can take current development in stasis and run with it.
If you dont believe me take an old 386 DX and compare it to a brand new Intel Pentium, the similaritys are stunning.
Yea i know but how easy is it to send register keys and most of all to remember them?
c:\>progman 3219487198237921873921873
I dont think it even resembles what you can do with bash. And yes i can rebuild windows to work a bit like linux but whats the point?
I meant that its workable whitout the GUI in a way thats not possible with windows if you like it even if some abstraction takes place in the GUI layer. The GUI and the underlying kernel is more separated than in windows and that makes it non destructive to stupidify because everything looks as normal to us geeks under the surface.
Ofcourse slashdot is biased! Im here for linux, freebsd, techs and funny stories about how MS succeds in fscking up in such wonderful ways. If i want to read sweet stories about Microsoft i just pop over to winmag or zdnet.
Do you run around MCSE forums and rant about them being biased against linux? I have read some pretty horrid lies over there and nothing on slashdot comes even close.
When enough users use linux (insert your favourite vendor here) will also start supporting linux. Dumbing down or as i like to see it abstract the GUI from the user is very different on linux and MacOSX than on Windows. All the options and commands lies right there beneeth the surface and are ready to use if you want to something more advanced. In windows you are constrained to the GUI but in linux its most often just a matter of sending a normal command from the gui to linux. Something that you yourself might aswell have typed in is now done with a button.
We need this support if we want drivers to continue to come for linux. What do you do the day you sit there with linux and nothing is usable on the internet because it lacks support from all big vendors?
I pay for every application i can in linux just to support them all. I would be very dissapointed if this scam exists in Limewire PRO wich i pay for and therefore shall not contain any advertising related software. Thats what i pay for.
Any Linux LimeWire developer who can answer my question?
After all their rants on how pirating destroys intellectual? property they turn on a dime.
If people in china gets used to pirating its hard to reverse it. A culture of pirating blessed by MS will be almost impossible to reverse.
I guess their campaign against pirating didnt turn out like they liked it to. From what i could see the only thing it did was to spark a new wave of linux companies.
*LOL* You made me squirt cofee all over my screen, ill sue you!!
Here in sweden we have 90% Bob's. They all say that education and skills says nothing. I know plenty of sysadmins that scripts their servers to restart every night instead of trying to find the memory leaks that makes them die. I even saw one put in more memory so that he didnt have to reboot it so often. I dont think this is Microsofts fault. Someone emplyed theese goons and they are responsible.
"I just cannot stop thinking that the great growing of Linux is because is eating Unix share, not microsoft."
Who in their right mind cares? Ofcourse the *nux guys pick it up first. They are "home" at first boot. I would be more surprised if the MCSE's would be the first to pick linux up when they dont know anything about unix. Its easier to go from someting you know to something almost the same.
After the unix guys have changed is when the Microsoft camps will start to think about it seriously.
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They failed because of stupid managment. Innovation has nothing to do with success. Look at Microsoft and how they are a successful company that hasnt innovated anything but clippy (may there never be a part II) and Microsoft BOB.
It depens on what type of optimizing we talk about. Assembler optimizations arent worth the hassle today but some functions in applications can be well worth coding in a better way. My first c program i made for dos come to mind. It took keyboard input and searched to find similar commands or files in that directory and did basically inline completion by automatic while you typed. On our NCR PC4i it took 10 minutes with the first version and when me and my father tried some other ways we got that down to a fraction of a second (my dad was one of the first unix guys in sweden).
The speed gain was extreme and we fixed it by programming slightly different. I think most apps can benefit if some care is taken on how things are done.
I dont think they cancel out eachother and crappy code will always be crappy code. Slab a pile of code togheter over the weekend and you have a stinking pile of shit that works much worse than it could.
My view is that this is like building bridges or houses. Cheat on planning and youve got a bridge/house thats worthless and dangerous. Time learn us that there arent any shortcuts to do advanced stuff. The abstraction strives being made in some unamed programming languages gives us crappy programs. Look at some unamed applications from a certain company making much of their software in an unamed programming enviroment that seems to squirt out much worse code than other enviroments.
If intelligence would power fireflies you would have just enough to power its ass.
For those who take something like this personal perhaps its all smoke and ruins but those people really need to lighten up a bit. This isnt war its a hobby damnit! If people get upset over theese things they really need to get out more.
Theese so called flamewars is good because they clear the air. Wy in gods name should we keep silent about these things? Isnt the whole community based on openess and transparacy? The day people stop adressing issues that needs to be taken care of is the day were no better than Microsoft.
I dont care for a second what mainstream press thinks as long as linux keeps getting better. We need to discuss how to go further with the desktop. Some standard is really needed for the user interface to avoid ending up with a pretty big fork. If not then the dists is going to be forced to choose one and that would really suck.
I cant say that the changes are that big of a deal. A couple of applications has been exchanged so that the user uses the same ones in Gnome and KDE. Anyone can choose the one they like to try from the menu. The changes are very superficial and to say they cripples KDE in any way is to really overreact. The theme used can be changed easy to the default theme.
I just see this as an honest effort from redhat to make things simpler for the user. They could just as well just plain dropped the KDE desktop and only included the libs.
Why do some of you even complain when you outright screamed when OEM's couldnt remove ie or change icons in windows?
I really hope it will work with linux. If it does we will have a free ride onto passport-only sites. I cant imagine MS letting off a passport client for linux by themselves (or anyone using it for that matter).
I didnt mean that this is the mother of all usability. What i meant was the more alternatives the bigger chance of someone hitting the spot.
The world is full of greyscales not black and white.
"I still fail to understand how AOL would automatically make a Linux distribution easy to use, where no involvement with AOL would make it mostly just useful for "l33t h4x0rz""
I complained about how some of us that have used linux a longer period sometimes snear at the average user. I can manage linux quite well but thats because i love it and have the incentive to mock around with settings. For someone that wants a clean tool it can sometimes be a little to complicated and if someone caters that need it will benefit us all in the long run.
An AOL client would make the transition for those used to it much esier on linux. As for mozilla its a developers version and that shows whenever you want to install a new plugin or java. Netscape is more targeted at the normal user of windows and not the normal user of linux. The normal user of windows is what this would target.
Its nice that more userfriendly alternatives comes out on linux. If AOL supports linux it will mean that more users will have the ability to try it out. Surely not all will stay but some like me will quickly fall madly inlove.
An interface like AOL makes lindows idiot friendly. Many of you 373343 hAxx0r5 may find that disturbing but i like the spinoffs it makes. More users means more people bugging hardware manufacturers to release drivers for consumer products etc.
I think its high time we stop snearing at newbs and people that just want to use the box, not administer it. Compare to autos and the development from daily self service from the beginning to almost no service today. It is inevitable that things is done by automation in the future. Who wants to work on their car every day just to drive to work?
Just like with cars self service of computers will become a hobby someday.
Its not hard at all to print to a dozen of windows boxes if you want to. Just put up a SMB printer proxy that relays the linux boxes to the windows boxes. That said i cant remember having seen anything in windows that makes printing from windows to a unix server easier either.
In a network controlled by proffessionals such "problems" are nobrainers in comparison to security and stability. In linux ease of use is only limited by the administrators imagination.
The more desktops that comes out for linux the better! As in nature the most popular/best will probably win in the end. Those who dont like them use something else.
It looks a bit silly to me but for a newb it's a real winner. A bit more polishing and its ready for prime time.
Well come again when you speak swedish like i speak english.
Du är ett litet missfoster som inte har egna argument och istället klagar på stavningen. Skriver du brev till böglordtidningarna när de stavat fel också ditt növel? Ringer in till din lokala tevestation när de råkat sända ditt favorit program (elefantbajs 2000) för sent?
I didnt understand where breaking the law and smart got together? Microsoft has been able to hold their monopoly by deceptive and sometimes even illegal practices. If anyone calls that smart then go thank your local drug dealer for being so successful in snaring youngsters into drugs.
Where did our society start mixing the terms sucess and smart up? You can be smart but not successful and vice versa.
The sole reason linux is even popular is the fact that something completely free and protected against slaughter by stealing code by the GPL is the only thing able to compete in this monopoly market.
Had the market been healthy we would have had something completely different for an OS and probably different hardware too. x86 is really lame hardware that should have been scrapped in the 90's.
"The big issue there, he said, was a reluctance to accept legal liability for open-source software. Ballmer said"
Last i checked any software from MS it did contain a nasty EULA that prevents me to take any legal action now matter how much the product was faulty. Its really ugly to pretend that they themselves give any when the never do and use that as an argument against linux.
I think we are really in for a spin against linux from Microsoft. The bad news for them will probably be that since their trust account is completely drained none will listen to them. The more they spin the more they tend to look like bad loosers.
To lay so much effort on making all competition look bad indicates that their own products doesnt have enough value to compete.
It works and is faster. Looks almost exactly as my current Mozilla. I like simplified interfaces and its nice to see one done for mozilla. Btw, dont confuse simplified with dumbed down wich is a whole other story.
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Thanks goes to the people that puts a golden lining on the internet! Slashdot is the best site in the world for techies that wants to know.
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I wonder just how much Microsoft admires
"They don't obey international laws. They have jet fighter pilots who like to fly too close and crash into USA spy planes."
And i suppose that US pilots would invite spy planes to McDonalds and a tour on Disney? Grow up!
When Intel and Microsoft got entrenched in the windows/x86 architecture development of PC almost stopped. Sure we have faster CPU but its in reality ancient and built on very old specs. Microsofts heavy battle against everything crossplattform capable has tied us down on x86 hardware. There are million of ways to make CPU's but we use the oldest one even today.
Fierce competition would have evolved computers long away from x86 if it wasnt for the tie in to x86 and windows. Sure the US has benefitet in short term by the monopoly but when competition stop innovation stops also. Now just about any country with cheap labour can take current development in stasis and run with it.
If you dont believe me take an old 386 DX and compare it to a brand new Intel Pentium, the similaritys are stunning.
Yea i know but how easy is it to send register keys and most of all to remember them?
c:\>progman 3219487198237921873921873
I dont think it even resembles what you can do with bash. And yes i can rebuild windows to work a bit like linux but whats the point?
I meant that its workable whitout the GUI in a way thats not possible with windows if you like it even if some abstraction takes place in the GUI layer. The GUI and the underlying kernel is more separated than in windows and that makes it non destructive to stupidify because everything looks as normal to us geeks under the surface.
Ofcourse slashdot is biased! Im here for linux, freebsd, techs and funny stories about how MS succeds in fscking up in such wonderful ways. If i want to read sweet stories about Microsoft i just pop over to winmag or zdnet.
Do you run around MCSE forums and rant about them being biased against linux? I have read some pretty horrid lies over there and nothing on slashdot comes even close.
When enough users use linux (insert your favourite vendor here) will also start supporting linux. Dumbing down or as i like to see it abstract the GUI from the user is very different on linux and MacOSX than on Windows. All the options and commands lies right there beneeth the surface and are ready to use if you want to something more advanced. In windows you are constrained to the GUI but in linux its most often just a matter of sending a normal command from the gui to linux. Something that you yourself might aswell have typed in is now done with a button.
We need this support if we want drivers to continue to come for linux. What do you do the day you sit there with linux and nothing is usable on the internet because it lacks support from all big vendors?
I pay for every application i can in linux just to support them all. I would be very dissapointed if this scam exists in Limewire PRO wich i pay for and therefore shall not contain any advertising related software. Thats what i pay for.
Any Linux LimeWire developer who can answer my question?
After all their rants on how pirating destroys intellectual? property they turn on a dime.
If people in china gets used to pirating its hard to reverse it. A culture of pirating blessed by MS will be almost impossible to reverse.
I guess their campaign against pirating didnt turn out like they liked it to. From what i could see the only thing it did was to spark a new wave of linux companies.
*LOL*
You made me squirt cofee all over my screen, ill sue you!!
Here in sweden we have 90% Bob's. They all say that education and skills says nothing. I know plenty of sysadmins that scripts their servers to restart every night instead of trying to find the memory leaks that makes them die. I even saw one put in more memory so that he didnt have to reboot it so often. I dont think this is Microsofts fault. Someone emplyed theese goons and they are responsible.
"I just cannot stop thinking that the great growing of Linux is because is eating Unix share, not microsoft."
Who in their right mind cares? Ofcourse the *nux guys pick it up first. They are "home" at first boot. I would be more surprised if the MCSE's would be the first to pick linux up when they dont know anything about unix. Its easier to go from someting you know to something almost the same.
After the unix guys have changed is when the Microsoft camps will start to think about it seriously.
http://www.factmonster.com/spot/penguinsweater.htm l
They failed because of stupid managment. Innovation has nothing to do with success. Look at Microsoft and how they are a successful company that hasnt innovated anything but clippy (may there never be a part II) and Microsoft BOB.
It depens on what type of optimizing we talk about. Assembler optimizations arent worth the hassle today but some functions in applications can be well worth coding in a better way. My first c program i made for dos come to mind. It took keyboard input and searched to find similar commands or files in that directory and did basically inline completion by automatic while you typed. On our NCR PC4i it took 10 minutes with the first version and when me and my father tried some other ways we got that down to a fraction of a second (my dad was one of the first unix guys in sweden).
The speed gain was extreme and we fixed it by programming slightly different. I think most apps can benefit if some care is taken on how things are done.
I dont think they cancel out eachother and crappy code will always be crappy code. Slab a pile of code togheter over the weekend and you have a stinking pile of shit that works much worse than it could.
My view is that this is like building bridges or houses. Cheat on planning and youve got a bridge/house thats worthless and dangerous. Time learn us that there arent any shortcuts to do advanced stuff. The abstraction strives being made in some unamed programming languages gives us crappy programs. Look at some unamed applications from a certain company making much of their software in an unamed programming enviroment that seems to squirt out much worse code than other enviroments.
If intelligence would power fireflies you would have just enough to power its ass.
For those who take something like this personal perhaps its all smoke and ruins but those people really need to lighten up a bit. This isnt war its a hobby damnit! If people get upset over theese things they really need to get out more.
Theese so called flamewars is good because they clear the air. Wy in gods name should we keep silent about these things? Isnt the whole community based on openess and transparacy? The day people stop adressing issues that needs to be taken care of is the day were no better than Microsoft.
I dont care for a second what mainstream press thinks as long as linux keeps getting better. We need to discuss how to go further with the desktop. Some standard is really needed for the user interface to avoid ending up with a pretty big fork. If not then the dists is going to be forced to choose one and that would really suck.
Talk about fork.
I cant say that the changes are that big of a deal. A couple of applications has been exchanged so that the user uses the same ones in Gnome and KDE. Anyone can choose the one they like to try from the menu. The changes are very superficial and to say they cripples KDE in any way is to really overreact. The theme used can be changed easy to the default theme.
I just see this as an honest effort from redhat to make things simpler for the user. They could just as well just plain dropped the KDE desktop and only included the libs.
Why do some of you even complain when you outright screamed when OEM's couldnt remove ie or change icons in windows?
I really hope it will work with linux. If it does we will have a free ride onto passport-only sites. I cant imagine MS letting off a passport client for linux by themselves (or anyone using it for that matter).
I didnt mean that this is the mother of all usability. What i meant was the more alternatives the bigger chance of someone hitting the spot.
The world is full of greyscales not black and white.
"I still fail to understand how AOL would automatically make a Linux distribution easy to use, where no involvement with AOL would make it mostly just useful for "l33t h4x0rz""
I complained about how some of us that have used linux a longer period sometimes snear at the average user. I can manage linux quite well but thats because i love it and have the incentive to mock around with settings. For someone that wants a clean tool it can sometimes be a little to complicated and if someone caters that need it will benefit us all in the long run.
An AOL client would make the transition for those used to it much esier on linux. As for mozilla its a developers version and that shows whenever you want to install a new plugin or java. Netscape is more targeted at the normal user of windows and not the normal user of linux. The normal user of windows is what this would target.
Its nice that more userfriendly alternatives comes out on linux. If AOL supports linux it will mean that more users will have the ability to try it out. Surely not all will stay but some like me will quickly fall madly inlove.
An interface like AOL makes lindows idiot friendly. Many of you 373343 hAxx0r5 may find that disturbing but i like the spinoffs it makes. More users means more people bugging hardware manufacturers to release drivers for consumer products etc.
I think its high time we stop snearing at newbs and people that just want to use the box, not administer it. Compare to autos and the development from daily self service from the beginning to almost no service today. It is inevitable that things is done by automation in the future. Who wants to work on their car every day just to drive to work?
Just like with cars self service of computers will become a hobby someday.
Its not hard at all to print to a dozen of windows boxes if you want to. Just put up a SMB printer proxy that relays the linux boxes to the windows boxes. That said i cant remember having seen anything in windows that makes printing from windows to a unix server easier either.
In a network controlled by proffessionals such "problems" are nobrainers in comparison to security and stability. In linux ease of use is only limited by the administrators imagination.
The more desktops that comes out for linux the better! As in nature the most popular/best will probably win in the end. Those who dont like them use something else.
It looks a bit silly to me but for a newb it's a real winner. A bit more polishing and its ready for prime time.
Well come again when you speak swedish like i speak english.
Du är ett litet missfoster som inte har egna argument och istället klagar på stavningen. Skriver du brev till böglordtidningarna när de stavat fel också ditt növel? Ringer in till din lokala tevestation när de råkat sända ditt favorit program (elefantbajs 2000) för sent?
I didnt understand where breaking the law and smart got together? Microsoft has been able to hold their monopoly by deceptive and sometimes even illegal practices. If anyone calls that smart then go thank your local drug dealer for being so successful in snaring youngsters into drugs.
Where did our society start mixing the terms sucess and smart up? You can be smart but not successful and vice versa.
The sole reason linux is even popular is the fact that something completely free and protected against slaughter by stealing code by the GPL is the only thing able to compete in this monopoly market.
Had the market been healthy we would have had something completely different for an OS and probably different hardware too. x86 is really lame hardware that should have been scrapped in the 90's.
"The big issue there, he said, was a reluctance to accept legal liability for open-source software. Ballmer said"
Last i checked any software from MS it did contain a nasty EULA that prevents me to take any legal action now matter how much the product was faulty. Its really ugly to pretend that they themselves give any when the never do and use that as an argument against linux.
I think we are really in for a spin against linux from Microsoft. The bad news for them will probably be that since their trust account is completely drained none will listen to them. The more they spin the more they tend to look like bad loosers.
To lay so much effort on making all competition look bad indicates that their own products doesnt have enough value to compete.
It works and is faster. Looks almost exactly as my current Mozilla. I like simplified interfaces and its nice to see one done for mozilla. Btw, dont confuse simplified with dumbed down wich is a whole other story.