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Intel Demos 4.7-GHz Pentium
richmlpdx writes "Silicon Strategies has an article about Intel's latest demo...
"Providing a sneak preview of its future developments, Intel Corp. here today demonstrated its fastest microprocessors to date--a 4.7-GHz chip for high-end desktop PCs.""
It can talk all four legs off an Arcturan megadonkey, but only I can convince it to go for a walk afterwards.
They also demonstrated that you could probably beowulf several dozen lower-cost systems for the same price and get even better performance...
4.7 GHz... This is amazingly fast, but how long can this continue? My first PC was 25Mhz or something, this was only about 7 or 8 years ago. How long can we keep pushing up the speed?
Will we really be seeing 100Gz in the next 8 years or will there become a point at which we just can't go any faster...
but what type of application requires that much horse power?
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Is 4.7ghz 4x faster than 2.4Ghz, because 400mhz was approx 4x faster (if not more) than 100mhz?....
Tony.
In other news, a small heat wave hit San Jose a few days ago. Amazingly, the source of this heat seemed to be centered at Intel's R&D headquarters.
That's what I want to know.
Runnin' this baby @ 4.7GHz, we're talking about ridiculous levels of power consumption and heat dissipation, and I'm pretty drunk so I'll just shut up right now. Good night, slashdot, or good morning or what the fuck ever....
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This seems awfully out of the blue.
.. anything more than "Hey, we've got a neat shiny number over here!"
..
The 3.0 hyperthread, sure, i can see that, but 4.7? Deyam!
Is this another one of those "Hey, look. We *can* make a processor at this speed. Lets tell em we'll be shipping it soon" type of deals? Lets not tell them however that we massively overclocked it and had to cool it with liquid helium, and it only runs at that speed for 10 seconds.
I was hoping that we were done with those type of advertising campaigns. This really smells like one of those, primarily (IMHO) because the lack of release information, the lack of architecture specs (no, I don't expect them to give out secrets or anything, but *something* would have been nice) or, well
Maybe they will prove me wrong. I hope so.
Besides, I hate the word "soon"
is that "Soon" as in on a watch, or "soon" as in on a calendar?
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From what I've read, even with the .13 die on the Athlon XP, they won't be able to clock it much above 2.5 GHz. And supposedly AMD is hoping to have sales of 60% Hammer, 40% Athlon XP by Q3-03, so does that mean they're going to take a whopping in the high end market or do they have a .09 Athlon XP up their sleeves?
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Wow... And I still remember when the PC was 4.7 MEGAhertz... :*)
I should have asked is 4.7Ghz 4x faster than 1.2Ghz.... Put it down to too little sleep and too much coffee!
Tony.
This of course would have nothing to do with the evils of Palladium , would it?
Wow! Now my Palladium/LaGrande machine will be able to notify the FBI 8 times faster!
A group of extreme hackers based in a northern section of Finland have shown this processor able to run at 5907Mhz using a never before tried method of liquid helium cooling. "We're a bit dissapointed really, I mean, this is a new record and all, but we still don't think our DVD's are going to rip fast enough till we get up to 6Ghz"
No doubt they chose 4.7GHz because their first "x86" processor ran at 4.7MHz.
This means that the palladium and DRM stuff
can be VERY poorly written and still probably
maybe run somewhat fast hopefully.
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I've seen this reported on other sites, and if I recall this is not a demo of production silicon at 4.7Ghz, but rather this is Intel overclocking their own hardware till it crashed to show that with some improvements the chip design is capable of these speeds, if not in consumer quantities at present.
Anand Tech has more information from their IDF report.
Once more unto the breach dear friends...
How long will this hunt for more GHz continue? I'd say that if the major industry companies (Intel, AMD...) would make a since long needed move to a better architecture we could achieve more performance with less means.
What do I have against high frequencies? For starters, high speed, fully syncronized digital constructions rely on switching millions of transistors at the same time (each clock cycle), this burns lots of power which is a limiting factor today.
Also, high frequency does not imply high performance, the CPU still needs to do something each stage, for example older Pentiums (P3, if I remember right) had a 20 (yes twenty) stage pipeline. This yeilds huge penalties for miss predictions for branches etc.
This GHz hunting also leads to other problems, such as huge electromagnetic disturbances in the chip, and in busses, etc. The solution to this is to add more wires and pull them in different directions to compensate. This only wastes more power and emits even more heat.
What I suggest, now when we have lots of transistors to play with, are asyncronous designs! Yes they are harder to design and verify, but that is largely because the lack of supporting tools.
This would reduce the power needs, let the designers make longer critical paths in their constructions (just clock that part slower), and reduce the need for registers used to balance pipe-lines etc.
Another move could be to introduce simpler, but parallell CPUs, perhaps on the same piece of silicon. The software systems of today are multi-threaded already, so why not make the hardware capable of _true_ multi tasking...
Nice try, but this is nothing but a rigged demo. It's theoretically and physically impossible to get a CPU running above 4Ghz.
moore's law: every 18 months, processor speed will double. when the 4.7ghz is releases, it will be between 6-7 years until we are running at 100 ghz, if moore's law still holds up despite a change from silicon-based chips due to physical restraints.
This whole time we have been blaming our electricity problems here in California on deregulation, Davis' failure to secure contracts, etc.
It's been those punks at Intel with this chip all along!!
My first pc was a 8088 at 4,77 MHz, somewhere in 1985. This new CPU does 4,7 GHz which is 4700 MHz, which is 1000 times as fast as what I've started with. Impressive. If back then someone would have told me that one day we would be using a 4700 MHz CPU I would probably burst out in laughter :)
I've been wondering why competition between AMD and Intel drive up processor speeds so ridiculously high but on the harddrive front, where there are many more competitors, there's much less progress... An oligopoly shouldn't produce better results but in this case it seems to do so.
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Once again...the megahertz myth.
Modern processors have loads of extensions, MMX, SIMD (Single Instruction, Multiple Data) which means that even if you overclocked your old 8088 to 4.7 GHZ (hehe...would LOVE to see the fan required for that!!!) it would still run many orders of magnitude slower.
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Really. Steve Jobs said so. He says my 700 MHz Mac is a supercomputer. Really. He wouldn't lie.
I'd hit it.
...using a standard mobo /w standard LN2 equipment, which will be shipped with every Intel cpu in future, instead of fan+sink.
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... do they also have a memory architecture to match these insane clock rates ?
They ran at 4.77. There is a big difference, especially at such low speeds like that. -98neon
...the limit is on the fact that when the user hair becomes green... Bald people might afford quicker CPUs.
Until Intel comes up with an actual example of a motherboard that supports asynchronous ram-flushing, the speed of the cpu means nothing.
For any motherboard that still uses conventional ram-flushing, the cpu will top out at ~3Ghz and stay there, I don't care what kind of data bus you're using.
Mark my words, AMD's next generation of motherboards (now documented to support async r-f) will blow Intel out of the water. Hold on to your asses, ass-holders.
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on x.x Ghz processors that they actually still don't need... my server runs beautifully with a pentium 166 and 64Mb of RAM, AND I still have money to feed the family.
C'mon people... I'm not saying nobody needs this (it does say high-end), or that 166Mhz is enough for everybody (it certainly isn't for a desktop), but why aren't people still not smarting up? Why do they keep buying a completely new PC every 2 years while they don't need it to write their word-document? (and i'm not even asking why they buy such crap that a pc with only half of the specifications could perform equally well).
Does rapid improvement in processor technology cancel out the need for developers to learn how to write better code on a particular platform in order to achieve the maximum possible benefit from Information Technology?
Background:
Remember the BBC Micro, the ZX Spectrum? When they first came out, games were slow and blocky. But then several years went by without any significant improvement in processor performance.
Therefore, in order to produce better software and better games, developers had to learn how to write better code on their favourite platforms. They developed techniques and tricks to make every Hz count.
Today, you can do impressive stuff with crap code, simply through virtue of the raw grunt of the processor.
Hence the question. Do they cancel out? If Intel had not brought out a new processor in the last 5 years, where would software be in relation? Better, worse, or same?
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Come on. Who is every going to need a 4.7 GHz processor anyway? Even my 4 year old 400 MHz PII with 256 MB RAM is fast enough for everything that I do. Nobody will ever need a 4.7 GHz processor!
Just imagine a Beowul... *CPU overheats and explodes* damn 4.7GHZ processors!
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Why on earth would they choose 4.7 for such a reason? Not a single customer gives a damn about how fast their first one ran when they're buying one now.
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Seriously. Why do people buy luxury cars when a Honda could get them to work just as easily? Why do people buy large houses? Why do lots of people, for that matter, insist on leasing a new car every two years, even though they own nothing at the end of the lease?
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The answer is simple: People perceive it as being of some VALUE. People buy new PCs because they look better, or because Internet Explorer will take less time to load, or because right now it's just taking too damn long to print out that document, or the Internet is too slow. Yes, some of these reasons are misguided, and it's our job as those "in the know" to tell people when they do have a misguided assumption ("A Pentium 4 will make my Internet connction faster...") It's also our job to explain to them how best to spend their money if they ask us for advice -- perhaps their money would be better spent on a broadband connection or a memory upgrade or a better video card. Maybe they don't need a new computer.
Whining about why people buy new computers is futile. People buy new things constantly. Don't forget that people buying and upgrading new computers is what keeps our industry afloat, as well. Not only does it make hardware prices go down, thus benefiting more of us, but we get the added benefit of easier tech support (for the most part, computers have dramatically improved in this area since Windows 95 first hit the shelves) and better software. (My personal favorite is finally dragging those last few holdouts off of Netscape 4.7 so I can make great-looking dynamic websites that actually work with their browser.)
Next time, instead of wringing your hands and saying "Why?!", encourage those who are upgrading to spend their money in the wisest way possible. The more people who enjoy using their computers, the more successful the industry will be as a whole, and the more jobs we will all have as a result.
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Oh good, a 4.7GHZ P4 should really help with my dirty bomb detonation studies, they'll run way faste... Terrorist? What!? Where!?
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Actually, I think the original i8088 was spec to run at 6MHz.... It was only clocked at 4.77MHz on the original IBM model 5150 because of some issue to do with NTSC timing - CGA graphics was to work with American TV sets.
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but for some odd reason, Intel Museum and many other history sites refer to it as 5MHz
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I knew that number rang a bell. So they are now 1000
times faster.
Business as usual, I suppose. Once everyone has their 1.whatever GHz processors, they have to go and show off something faster. People need to realize that, despite all these newer, faster processors, we don't need them. The Space Shuttle still launches, performs missions, and lands without too many failures, and they're not running much more than a 486 equivalent. We don't need 4.7 GHz. 2 GHz is more than sufficient for everyday use.
/.ers. They won't be trying to scan, edit and compress 10 gigs of high quality video/audio data. They won't be compiling an insanely huge Linux Kernel. They won't be dabbeling in Voice Over IP. Hell, they probably mindlessly rely on MS apps to do the work for them, using Outlook, IE, and others.
When you think about it, the average user (AKA Joe and Jane Sixpack) do three basic things with computers: Internet (including e-mail, browsing and the occasional Multimedia site), Music, and Games. That's it. They're not ubergeeks like most of us
They'll get all wide-eyed and tickled pink at the thought of that kind of power, but all they'll really notice is windows opening faster. It's a huge waste of money, and they'd be too blinded by the thought of "this will make everything so much better" to notice.
It won't make MP3s play any clearer, it won't filter out the spam that clogs 90% of their inbox, and it sure won't make "HotChicksPorn.com" load any faster. Unless the Sixpack's are running SETI@Home, they wouldn't notice much of a difference and feel ripped off. Those FFTs would render rather quickly on a 4.7 GHz machine, though, which I wouldn't mind.
Production people like me would kill for a machine that fast. I do alot of digital video and audio work, and that kind of processing power would be most welcome. But people like me (and you, the ubergeeks of the world) are a relative rare breed. Maybe it's time for Intel and friends (or is it enemies) to start splitting demographics a little better and targeting specific types of "Joe and Jane Sixpacks" with different processors instead of just offering up the same two processors (Pentium and Celeron) to everyone as if we're all the same. The need to upgrade constantly isn't that big a deal, or at least it shouldn't be treated as such...
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So, in ~20 years (1983 - 2003, assuming it would take at least a year until you could buy one of these), CPU speeds have increased by a factor of ~2^10, giving us a nice doubling every 2 years. Neat.
Fast forward to 20 years from now, CPU speeds would be 4 TERA-Hertz. So that thing would be radiating, what, X-rays, and computer casing would be made out of lead? Give it 20 years more and you'll get to the PETA-Hertz and Gamma ray land...
Either we'd be switching to Quantum or optical computer or something in the next few decades of Moor's law will grind to a halt. This is going to be interesting...
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Pokey: WHY MR. NUTTY, WHATEVER DO YOU HAVE THERE?!?!
Mr. Nutty: WHY OLD BEAN, IT IS MY NEW PENTIUM FOUR 4.7GHZ MICROCOMPUTER PROCESSOR!!!
Pokey: MR. NUTTY. YOUR NEW COMPUTER IS CAUSING UNDUE HEAT STRESS ON THE ARCTIC ICE PACK. WE WILL SOON ALL DIE AS OUR PRECIOUS ARCTIC CIRCLE CANDY CANNOT GROW IN THIS UNSEASONABLE WARMTH.
Little Girl: POKEY! THE ITALIANS ARE ON THE HORIZON! THEY ARE PIRATES AND OUT TO STEAL OUR ARCTIC CIRCLE CANDY.
Pokey and Mr. Nutty, In Unison: OH NO!
Pokey: WE SHOULD MUSTER A DEFENSE!
Mr. Nutty: SMASHING!
All: ITALIANS!!!
Little Girl: QUICK POKEY, THE ITALIANS ARE APPROACHING RAPIDLY!
Pokey: QUICK MR. NUTTY, USE YOUR AWESOME UPPER-BODY FORTITUDE, HURL YOUR PENTIUM AT THE ITALIAN VESSLE!
Everybody: HOORAY! THE ITALIANS HAVE BEEN DEFEATED AND THE ARCTIC CIRCLE CANDY IS SAFE! ARCTIC CIRCLE CANDY FOR EVERYBODY!
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No, the frequency is 1000 times higher. the processor itself is a lot faster because it executes more than one instruction per clock-cycle.
And by "northern section of Finland", he meant your bedroom, and by "run" he meant ram up your ass.
As opposed to their 4.7-GHz chip for low-end desktop PCs?
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Ahhh... "Technology demo".
This reminds me of the Intel presentation at the International Solid State Circuits Conference (ISSCC) 1997. They had a paper describing a 300 MHz Pentium II. Quite an accomplishment at the time - AMD was describing a 275 MHz K6.
Only, the slide presentation was titled "A 433 MHz Out-of-Order Execution Microprocessor". 433? 433!?!?! (Remember: 1997)
The PR flack then proceeded to say "this is an Intel technology demo. This is not a product" and then presented the paper. Things got wierd during the Q&A:
Q: What is the operating temperature?
A: "Colder than ice".
Q: What is the power dissipation?
A: As a "technology demo" it is not appropriate to disclose such numbers as they are likely to change with actual product release.
Yeah, sure.
Vaporware? That's old hat.
If the cooling system on that puppy breaks down, we're talking _smokeware_ here!
Kinda wish they had managed to eke out a few more cycles and produced a 4.77 gHz model.
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Software engineers need faster CPUs to bring you better software. They use the extra GHz to use technologies like garbage collection and virtual machines to allow them to bring you more reliable software in less time. A 1-2 GHz machine would be noticably slower if all your software was written in Java or C# instead of C/C++, but a faster machine with faster subsystems will run it all with no sweat.
Beyond that, with more power we can bring you more interesting GUIs, better voice recognition, and better AI. AI doesn't just mean a virtual assistant that you talk to about your day (10-1000GHz?). It comes in the form of expert systems that you can ask questions in English and get back useful answers. The faster your computer, the better and quicker the answers. As hard drives grow ever more massive, imagine a Google search engine on your PC to sift through all the files you've ever created in your lifetime.
And there are a lot of other things software engineering is being enabled to do but hasn't discovered yet, because it's just becoming useful to research in that direction.
Why don't make it water cooled, then you just put a paper filter and some coffer, and tada... your computer makes coffe. If want hotter coffe, just overclock it a litte. :-)
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Would it have a 'turbo' button?
If so, what would it clock the PC down to when deselected?
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Anandtech recently went "backstage" at Intel and got pictures of a 10 GHz ALU running at Intel with air cooling. Pics here
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The Space shuttle uses much less than a 486 in terms of processing power.
The Stealth Bomber, a much newer craft, has a computer in it not much more powerful than an Amiga 1000.
The Shuttle is working more like an Apple II -- it's just that there are 7 Apple II's working in parallel, with redundancies all over the place.
In a previous Slashdot story (I won't bother linking, you go find it yourself!) NASA was looking for old chips which aren't made anymore -- chips that are so old, they might as well have come from those Radio Shack 100 in 1 experimenter kits.
The 486 is circa 1990. The shuttle first flew in 1980, ten years previous, and was designed 20 years previous and built in the 70's. Your wristwatch probably has a more advanced CPU than the shuttle.
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I suppose this means my P166 obsolete :-)
My first IBM-PC MS-DOS v1.0 back in the early 80s ran a CPU clock speed of 4.77Mhz. Exactly 1000 times slower than this test chip. Pretty impressive. In everyone's zeal to slay the Microsoft monster I wonder why everyone misses the real monopoly in computing? Intel. After all, for every copy of windows there is an Intel CPU. For ever X-Box there is an Intel CPU. For every instance of Linux there is an Intel CPU. It's really Intel's processors that are a threat to Sun and HP not Microsoft's OS.
Even running full-bore, the fastest x86 CPU available uses no more power than an incandescent light bulb. (Now, please don't tell me you're one of those freaks who have replaced all their bulbs with white LEDs...)
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I care for power consumption because it is/will be the main limiting factor. A light bulb can take far more heat than a CPU. If otherwise, why do everyone use cooling for the CPU. I do not think that it is because it is cool to have a humming fan running inside the chassis.
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so far every platform that has tried to emulate x86 processors in software has dismally failed to make inroads into the PC market
What about Athlon processors and late Pentium processors? They devote half their silicon to what amounts to an emulator that translates x86 bytecode into instructions for a RISC backend.
Why keep x86 bytecode? Two words: Code density.
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The speed of light limits latency, but it doesn't necessarily limit throughput or clock speed.
And latency combined with branch misprediction will kill performance.
Once we begin to approach the light speed limit, the best way to achieve more performance on a chip will probably be chip multiprocessing (compare IBM's Power4) rather than cranking up the clock frequency.
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Now that Beowulf clusters are commonplace - hell even my mom runs one now - aren't Intel just too late with this baby?
I'm running a 10000 node cluster based on old XT machines that smokes Intel's offering. And it was free! Hell, people pay you to take away their old PCs!!
and I still don't really feel the need to upgrade my 350mHz.
(Now, please don't tell me you're one of those freaks who have replaced all their bulbs with white LEDs...)
Nope. I've replaced my incandescent bulbs with fluorescent bulbs. I get the same amount of light with 1/3 the power consumption.
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I should point out that Windows XP was released a year or two ago, too. Maybe next time we can have some current news.
Sun Microsystems is already planning this for their UltraSPARC IIIi CPU
IIIi? I thought the Roman numeral for 4 was "Iv" not "IIIi". I guess Sun isn't too bright anymore.
Intel went optical with the P4?
No. All electromagnetic radiation, not just visible light, moves at the "speed of light" in a vacuum. Electric charges move through a processor at about half the speed of light. Therefore, once chips start getting too big, it takes a while for charges to get from one side of a chip to the other.
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So, when I said two out of three ain't bad, I meant there is no way in hell an anniversary PC would give you a choice of OSes. Microsoft just wouldn't permit it.
Even if the top-secret OEM contract with Microsoft rules out selling PCs without an operating system or with anything other than Windows pre-installed, what stops a PC vendor from including FreeDOS with the machine, along with a voucher for a CD of FreeBSD or Red Hat Linux?
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Tenebrae is an opensource game engine based on the Quake source code. However, this free engine has many of the same features as the upcoming Doom 3 engine. Stencil shadows, bump maps, per-pixel lighting, reflective water, etc... this game engine has it! Thing is it costs you, and even on a 2ghz Geforce4 setup, it runs under 72 frames per second. Note that for several reasons 72 FPS is optimal for Quake play. A 5ghz CPU with a Geforce4 could probably chrank out 72 FPS in Tenebrae at 1280x1024x32.
Though I haven't read the article and don't really understand a lot about computers 4.7 is more than twice my 2.0 ghz so I must get one to browse the web twice as fast.
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What, so now it will spend 95% of its time re-fetching items from memory rather than 50%?
you guys are all crazy. 4.7ghz is NOTHING.
it's all good and that with whatever fsb is might have. even if it was 800. the problem here is HARD DRIVES. right now, the limiting factor ANYWHERE is the harddrive. standard hard drives are 7200rpm, and are as slow as shit for loading games and other programs. so that's not good. the fastest hard drive available is a 15,000rpm scsi drive which is not only about 20x more expensive than normal drives, but is still a limiting factor for 5ghz processors.
as far as processors go, 4.7ghz isn't much. in about a year, sony will introduce it's "cell". a multi-level cpu that is rated as being around 250ghz. it is being developed by sony, ibm, and toshiba. it will be used for the ps2.
for people asking what will it be used for, let's see, heavy multitasking. for 3d rendering, true-3d final fantasy movie graphics will be renderable on the fly. making the computer a completely different thing. just imagine it. (btw, yes, i know you're thinking it's a video card thing, but this is a multi-level cpu, that handles graphics, processing, and networking. it will be used in the PS3)
another dull thing about computers are monitors. you still get the same flat screen. talk about STUDY HOLOGRAPHIC TECHNOLOGY!!!! then the computer would start to be fun.
well, that is if the mouse and keyboard were done away with. what is with all of this physical interactions? with further studies of the brain and the way it interacts, we will be able to control games and applications with our brain. simply by CHOOSING to do something, it will happen. you won't have to look around for it or anything. spam will also not exist then since your brain would constantly be sending "ah, spam, destroy" and the window would shut down. the cpu is so fast, it would happen instantaneously.
anyways, hope you have fun. we are quite behind in terms of technology. if you are sexed up about the 4.7ghz, just think of a dual cpu p4 2.8ghz system to be able to kick its ass.
Dude, it's WAY more than that. I would venture to say its more like 100,000x. Take into account cache size and speed (did the 8088 even HAVE SRAM, if it did it was on the motherboard), memory speed (5ns vs. 70ns). And in general the overall efficiancy of the cpu (superscalar, speculative execution, etc).
I would post the link to CPUScoreCard.com comparing the 8088 and the P4 2.6GHZ, but they went pay for access to older benchmarks.
Jeezus, I just realized my CPU ranking is considered "historical". Damnit. What 800Mhz isn't good enough anymore? pfft!
The OEM contract prohibits dual boot arrangements too.
The OEM contract prohibits dual-boot systems from being pre-installed. I don't think even Microsoft could prohibit OEMs from including a FreeBSD CD with every computer.
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...how fast they get in the processor speeds. Nothing will make me give up my 286. It's still running and at this point worth every cent I spent on it and more.
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OK, so there's about a 2 year lag from "we don't have this" to "here's a demo".
Check out the post from the linux-kernel list to see the proof.
Honestly, is bloat really that big of a problem for a typical computer, anyway?
A "typical computer" is not a PC. A typical computer is an embedded system in a microwave oven with a 0.5 MHz processor, 1 KB of ROM, and 256 bytes of RAM, if that.
Next step up from an embedded system is a handheld device such as the Palm or the Game Boy Advance. You get a processor in double-digit MHz, only about 384 KB of work RAM, and storage measured in single or double digit MB.
Then you have the typical six-year-old Pentium computers in public schools. 100 MHz, 24 MB of RAM, unaccelerated video, 800 MB hard drive, 4x CD-ROM (if that).
Then you get to DVD-based game consoles, which have 32 to 64 MB of RAM. Bloat begins to disappear, but the less bloat you have, the more triangles you can push, and the faster your game will load. That was one of Mr. Shigeru Miyamoto's biggest complaints about the Sega CD and the old Nintendo Playstation project[1], that disc technology wasn't fast enough to provide a seamless experience. Only recently have engineers developed the hardware to load data faster and the software tricks to cover up loading time.
Only after all those do you get to a relatively modern PC.
[1] The Nintendo Playstation was originally a project between Sony and Nintendo to develop a 32-bit CD-ROM system that connected to the Super NES. When Nintendo dropped the project in favor of the Nintendo 64 console, Sony finished it up and released it as a stand-alone game console.
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Don't worry. One of the designers of the new Pentium IV told me that they will definitely release a Pentium IV of 5 GHz or more.
Nowadays it would be pure madness to even attempt to optimize a program the same way as 'back then'. Programs simply have become too large (size and features) and too complex to begin optimizing them in the same manner.
Most of a modern GUI program is I/O handling. Such programs still have inner-loops that can be optimized to waste few CPU cycles. Use a profiler to see where to concentrate your attention.
Not to mention the fact that the average system in use today
Is not a PC. It's the embedded computer in a toaster.
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If PCs are getting faster it means programmers can write easily readable, super-maintainable but slower apps instead of convoluted crap that inevitably fall out of existance because "oh, the guys who knew how that work left"
Ever heard of commenting your code? When worse comes to worst and even comments don't help, I still aim for maintainability: when I heavily optimize a piece of code, such as when I write it in assembly language, I keep an equivalent C reference version and compare the two in regression testing. This way, I can keep up frame rate for my 3D engine that runs on a handheld device while maintaining maintainability.
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right now there is simply no need for creative coding w.r.t. efficiency.
Not even for portable devices that are battery drain bound? Read some of the comments that yerricde has made nearby.
Nowadays, we're so completely divorced from the actual computer, what with APIs and hardware-abstraction-layers, why would you bother trying to squeeze every MHz out of a machine when how well the machine operates is really up to the OS maker?
Because not all computers are PCs. Ever tried programming for a handheld computer? Or for an embedded computer in a refrigerator?
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I read somewhere else that Intel delayed the release of the 3 GHz chip to early next year.
They don't have to push as hard because of the delays at AMD with the Bartons and the Hammers. No SOI for you.
Given the palladium implementation, we'll be lucky if [MPEG audio files] play at all.
Microsoft Palladium technology does not take anything away from the user. Windows won't refuse to load an app just because it doesn't import palladium.dll. Palladium is just a way to support computer state attestation, sealed storage, and stricter process separation.
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..... the bottleneck will exist in other areas. Internet bandwidth seems to be the most likely case -- the technology industry seems pretty motivated to keep improving its wares, but the telecoms seem to be digging their heels in, ratcheting down speeds for the same amount of money. Which could then turn around and bite the techies in the ass, because there won't be any killers apps for their products.
The only people I ever hear saying that "No one needs a processor over 1ghz" are Apple users. Gotta rationalize Apple's failure to deliver current hardware, I guess.
The Pentium Pro 200 was 1000 times as fast. These things are about 15-20 times that speed. The current line of CPU's are about 10,000 times as fast as an 8086.
If I remember correctly, the jump between a 8086 and a 8286 was about 10x in speed with only a doubling of clock speed. The 286 was 5 times as fast per clock cycle as a 8086. The 386 was about 1.5 times as fast per clock cycle as 286. Same with 486 over 386 and I think with Pentium over 486, both 1.5x. I'm pretty sure that's where it stopped. Speed/clock on the new P4's is now slower than the P3's. I think the P4's are about the same speed/clock as a 486 or maybe a Pentium. It's somewhere around ther. Does anyone know?
We need to have a unit of measure which is speed/clock.
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If you read the article it says that multi-thread aware software will run faster. If you don't use this software(and how many pieces of software really are multi-thread or processor aware) then how much does it really speed you up. The speed of the processor hasn't really increased - they're just using a software layer to trick your system
Processor insidors are predicting 1 terahertz within 10 years. Why does this not seem possible? 10 or so years ago, we had only around 1 megahertz.
I really think the terahertz will be right around the corner.
Same with the terabyte, that will be really soon.
Doesn't faster and faster processors coupled with better and better compilers free the engineer from the drudgery and time sink of squeezing every last cpu cycle out of their button pressing code and leave them with more time to look at engineering better solutions to more complex issues?
Having lived through the last 15 years of processor/compiler advancement I can attest that the answer is a sreaming "YES"!
That's not to say that you shouldn't TOTALLY ignore the speed/bloat issue, but these days, REASONABLE attention to these things in the high level language is plenty for all but the few truly demanding tasks such as streaming data compression/encryption/transformation. And even then we may pass a poitn in time where that is even necessary. We've pretty much passed it with audio. Video is still a ways off. Real time 3d rendering with 5 mile horizons and 10 billion spline models with realistic lighting and physics on a $500 PC is still decades off (Just look at the latest computer game, then go outside and look at the forest or canyon and compare the two).
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
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this if it doesnt fail where current intels do, or a 4.7 ghz AMD
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...I've already seen a P4 running at 4.5GHz in the real world, how far could this one be pushed? 8GHz and up? *drool*
It takes 5 clocks for a particular instruction to execute on a 5-stage pipeline, yet throughput is more than 1 instruction/5 clocks.
Long pipelines are not always a Good Thing. If you have a lot of branches, and the branches are hard to predict (50% taken, 50% not), then mispredictions cause pipeline flushes that will kill you. That is, unless you can execute both sides simultaneously (speculative execution using the CMOV instruction), but that possibly has its own speed penalties. I'm predicting that MIMD (multiple instruction multiple data) technologies such as CMP (chip multiprocessing; multiple cores on one die, each with its own set of registers; IBM Power4 CPU) and SMT (two sets of ISA registers on one core) will speed up computation without speeding up clock frequencies.
Electric charges move slowly. Much more slowly. It's the electric signals that propagate with about c/2.
Electric signals lie in the changes in the voltages, which in turn lie in the movement of charges (i.e. the differences between + and - in any given location). You're thinking of the snail's pace drift of the electrons themselves, right?
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That's interesting. Intel's marketing is terrible. I think there are a lot of good things that could be said, but no one is saying them so that people in the industry be aware.
So, according to the title of this article, Intel is actually still doing R & D work with their Pentium core? Guess the whole P6 line (PPro through P4 Xeon) didn't work out after all.
Inquiring minds want to know. Is it the original Pentium or the Pentium MMX? And did they ever fix the F00F bug?
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Windows 2004, without Service Pack 1, otherwise you have use a fast CPU.
I could care less how much power my desktop PC's processor consumes... my mother's paying the electric bill at the moment anyway.
In a laptop, battery life = power available / power consumption. I want that processor to run on 4 milliwatts... so that my display and harddrive can eat the battery in 8 hours, not 2.5 hours like current Intel compatible laptops.
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High Priest: Armaments Chapter One, verses nine through twenty-seven:
Bro. Maynard: And Saint Attila raised the Holy Hand Grenade up on high
saying, "Oh Lord, Bless us this Holy Hand Grenade, and with it
smash our enemies to tiny bits." And the Lord did grin, and the
people did feast upon the lambs, and stoats, and orangutans, and
breakfast cereals, and lima bean-
High Priest: Skip a bit, brother.
Bro. Maynard: And then the Lord spake, saying: "First, shalt thou take
out the holy pin. Then shalt thou count to three. No more, no less.
*Three* shall be the number of the counting, and the number of the
counting shall be three. *Four* shalt thou not count, and neither
count thou two, excepting that thou then goest on to three. Five is
RIGHT OUT. Once the number three, being the third number be reached,
then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade towards thy foe, who, being
naughty in my sight, shall snuff it. Amen.
All: Amen.
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