In other news Conan O'Brian has announced his departure from NBC. His only comment was that his decision had nothing to do with his smart @ss comment to Bill Gates at CES.
Is this how it should be? No. Is this how it is? Yes.
Following the same logic. Since most people will only make it to the middle class, the schools should just teach them how to consume and be happy about living paycheck to paycheck. No need to fill their heads with dreams of starting their own business or other such nonsense.
You know, you are part of the problem. Sorry, couldn't think of a better phrase than that.
...at least not when you consider what ought to be the primary focus of any schoolsystem: to give the children knowledge and prepare them for a life in the real world.
Yeah, and we all know that the real world only runs Windows and will forever. And ever. And ever.
Sheesh. What will Johnny do when he runs into a Unix(R) box or a Mac in the "real world"?
Todays kids will leave school and be easy money for the anti-virus companies out there.
Let's say you sold bolt cutters directly to known criminals.You teach a class after work about how bolt cutters could be used to break locks off other people's sheds.
That is a real stretch. In relation to Napster, it should be more like: I teach a class after work about how bolt cutters are used to break off locks. The students could apply that knowlege to their own locks as well as other peoples.
And then you write a business memo to your business partner, Shawn Fenning, about how awesome it's going to be getting rich off this because you know how many people out there want to break into other people's sheds, and you're finally going to change the future of shedmaking. This is what the Shed Industry Association of America's lawyers will be bringing up during court.
I didn't see reference to any of the info. you just mentioned in the article on CNet. Is there somewhere I can read this memo?
What if I taught a class on how to send copyrighted music files, encoded as mp3s, via email using Outlook? Would Microsoft be liable? Or just the email protocol inventor?
It's like if VCs went to fund a chop shop knowing it was a chop shop. No protection from liability in that case.
Napster provided an easy way to trade files encoded in the mp3 format. Napster did not explicitly provide for the illegal swapping of copyrighted music.
Apache makes a web server that provides functionality for web browsers to download files. People most certainly have downloaded copyrighted files (in many different formats) involving Apache. Should Apache be held responsible, or any VCs, for this copyright violation?
How about this one. I make bolt cutters. A shady character buys a bolt cutter from me and cuts the padlock off someone elses shed and steals his lawn mower. Am I, the bolt cutter manufacturer, to be held responsible?
That is not the same as bundling it and making sure that it cannot be unbundled. IE and Media player cannot be uninstalled. VFP can.
Let me then coin a new term (you read it hear first folks;)). The new term is:
virtual-bundling
The EULA for VFP constitutes a "virtual-bundle" and follows the same idea as bundling software. The only difference is that a virtual-bundle can be un-installed.
MS decided to, at version 7, tie VFP to windows only. What good can come from that? Why the sudden change of heart?
Thank you for pointing out the difference though.
I would like to see some numbers of how many EULAs limit software to a particular OS.
When I said rh9 was almost as good as rh9, i clearly meant it as compliment. you are clearly trying to take what I said out of context.
Yeah. your are right. sorry:)
Its ALMOST from the point of view of a businessman who doesn't care about the politics of OSS vs. MS. I want to get stuff done is all. Its nice if I can do it with OSS, but MY job is to make money FIRST.
But don't forget that Microsoft's job is to lock you into their platform. It sounds very neat that you don't care about politics (OSS vs. MS) but you seem to forget that MS does and will do what it can to lock users in.
I don't preach the gospel of any OS. The fact is, GAMES that come with RH9 still crash (was trying them out last night). Very simple things.
Yeah. Games don't help you get your work done though.;)
You talk about auditing code. I DONT CARE. Others do, fine, but I don't. I buy software for purely capitalistic reasons. If the employees are going to bitch about it, I wont install it.
What? You just said that you buy software for purely capitalistic reasons. So why would you care if the employees bitch about it? Just make them use it and watch the money come pouring in.
Some of you need to realize that most of us in the business world want the best software for the $
Really? Maybe that's why linux is gaining ground?
but do not really care about puffing up our chest and ranting about one being better than the other. Nothing personal, but you might as well tell me how OpenBSD is better than FreeBSD. Same shit, just all TALK TALK TALK. We don't care. We know windows is not secure, we know all that shit, but its not the first priority, even if YOU think it should be. We are not stupid. We just don't care about your OS politics.
Insecure Operating systems is not OS politics. It is crap software that leaves it's users open to attacks that can cost you and/or your business money. Sure linux isn't perfectly secure, but at least you have a chance in hell to secure it.
And who is this "we"? I wasn't born running linux:) I was once a windows user too. I finally tired of paying my hard earned money for crap. At work I tired of rebooting my machine when I could have been writing code. I tired of having to update my virus protection software. I was tired of having to kill explorer on windows XP and restart it so the desktop would respond again.
Is a secure sytem even a priority for you? You have mentioned that you buy software to get things done and for purely capitalistic reasons. Can you get work done if your business data has been erased by an attacker? How much money can you make if you can't use your computers because they are busy with performing a DDoS attack? Banks care about making money yet they take security seriously.
Do you own a company that has customer data stored on your computers? I hope I'm not a customer of yours. My data would not be secure.
What planet are you from? Linux kicks ass over Windoze XP let alone Win 95.
If you mean you can play more games on windoze and more devices work with it, that is a different story. That has nothing to do with how good an OS is. It has to do with market domination that demands support from hardware/game vendors.
But linux is much more stable than XP (yes, i've used XP before) and much more secure. YES! MUCH MORE SECURE! You can't even argue with that. Don't even try. Oh. there you go. You are trying to argue with that statement in your mind right now.
STOP. Can you audit the windoze code and then show me how the code backs up your claim that windows is as secure as Linux? Think again.
By the way, by copying this message onto your computer (it has just been cached on your HD), you agree to pay me 1 Billion US dollars due on April 29 at 2 PM PST.
Sorry for the rant, but I've used windows. I've heard people try and tell me how secure, and how much better than linux it is. BS! Don't believe me? Pre-lease your pallidum box now...
I had a friend (yeah, that's it) that used to work for SCO when they were still in Santa Cruz, CA.
The executive team would get up in front of the employees at quarterly meetings and talk about how Linux was not a threat and that SCO UNIX on Intel was superior. Who's SCO's daddy now?
Also, this umm, friend of mine also reported rumors of the former SCO CEO being offered more money than SCO was worth back in 1999 from SUN for the company. SCO's CEO supposedly had harsh words for Mr. McNeely.
So, then Caldera buys SCO. Don't forget that SCO spun off Tarantella at the same time-another failing company.
Then Caldera changes name to SCO Group. Now they sue IBM.
What a bunch of losers!
I hope that I get another call from SCO's "partner" program people about developing software for their platform. It will be a lovely discussion.
I wonder if The SCO Groups head Lawyer is still the same one from SCO (pre-caldera). He was an ex-SUN lawyer.
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What innovation! Soon everyone will be jumping on the bandwagon.
In other news Conan O'Brian has announced his departure from NBC. His only comment was that his decision had nothing to do with his smart @ss comment to Bill Gates at CES.
Good grief man! Sounds like the people in Florida need to have a recall like California...
But, the recall votes would probably be miscounted.
Yeah. sorry for saying that in the first place.
Is this how it should be? No. Is this how it is? Yes.
Following the same logic. Since most people will only make it to the middle class, the schools should just teach them how to consume and be happy about living paycheck to paycheck. No need to fill their heads with dreams of starting their own business or other such nonsense.
Are you an idiot? Mac OS X and even linux are "compatable".
Unless you have something besides Office documents, networking, etc. in mind?
Oh, you mean extortion like licensing and innumerable viruses. No, Mac OS X and linux are not compatable with those. Sorry.
Nicely said!
Can I get a witness? Where are all the other people like you in the real world?
Yeah, and we all know that the real world only runs Windows and will forever. And ever. And ever.
Sheesh. What will Johnny do when he runs into a Unix(R) box or a Mac in the "real world"?
Todays kids will leave school and be easy money for the anti-virus companies out there.
Back in the old days when ummmm... a guy I know was at SCO, people were intalling linux on their systems without consulting IT. That was in 1999.
I don't have any figures for you though.
I think Microsoft is a major shareholder in SCO/Caldera. They use to be when SCO was still, ummm, SCO.
Isn't there a place we can find out who owns stock (major shares) in a company?
fuck them!
Wow. Your logic is flawless.
In other news MS is worth more than Ty(15982) ...
That is a real stretch. In relation to Napster, it should be more like: I teach a class after work about how bolt cutters are used to break off locks. The students could apply that knowlege to their own locks as well as other peoples.
And then you write a business memo to your business partner, Shawn Fenning, about how awesome it's going to be getting rich off this because you know how many people out there want to break into other people's sheds, and you're finally going to change the future of shedmaking. This is what the Shed Industry Association of America's lawyers will be bringing up during court.
I didn't see reference to any of the info. you just mentioned in the article on CNet. Is there somewhere I can read this memo?
What if I taught a class on how to send copyrighted music files, encoded as mp3s, via email using Outlook? Would Microsoft be liable? Or just the email protocol inventor?
Napster provided an easy way to trade files encoded in the mp3 format. Napster did not explicitly provide for the illegal swapping of copyrighted music.
Apache makes a web server that provides functionality for web browsers to download files. People most certainly have downloaded copyrighted files (in many different formats) involving Apache. Should Apache be held responsible, or any VCs, for this copyright violation?
How about this one. I make bolt cutters. A shady character buys a bolt cutter from me and cuts the padlock off someone elses shed and steals his lawn mower. Am I, the bolt cutter manufacturer, to be held responsible?
Let me then coin a new term (you read it hear first folks ;)). The new term is:
virtual-bundling
The EULA for VFP constitutes a "virtual-bundle" and follows the same idea as bundling software. The only difference is that a virtual-bundle can be un-installed.
MS decided to, at version 7, tie VFP to windows only. What good can come from that? Why the sudden change of heart?
Thank you for pointing out the difference though.
I would like to see some numbers of how many EULAs limit software to a particular OS.
Good thing MS was convicted of anti-trust violations. Now they can't tie thier software to the Windows OS...
I love justice! How about moving away from FoxPro and MS to send MS a message? Like "we won't bow to your oppresive EULAs anylonger".
The peeps at JavaOne(SM) used these things to shoot shirts into the crowds of developers. Real neat, but I fail to see why this is posted on /.
/.
Then again, I fail to see why a lot of things are posted on
Now maybe if some busty blondes were operating the shirt canons...
uh. how about a switched off linux box? ;)
Ummmm. How do you know she wasn't hired to do what we don't want?
Yeah. your are right. sorry :)
Its ALMOST from the point of view of a businessman who doesn't care about the politics of OSS vs. MS. I want to get stuff done is all. Its nice if I can do it with OSS, but MY job is to make money FIRST.
But don't forget that Microsoft's job is to lock you into their platform. It sounds very neat that you don't care about politics (OSS vs. MS) but you seem to forget that MS does and will do what it can to lock users in.
I don't preach the gospel of any OS. The fact is, GAMES that come with RH9 still crash (was trying them out last night). Very simple things.
Yeah. Games don't help you get your work done though. ;)
You talk about auditing code. I DONT CARE. Others do, fine, but I don't. I buy software for purely capitalistic reasons. If the employees are going to bitch about it, I wont install it.
What? You just said that you buy software for purely capitalistic reasons. So why would you care if the employees bitch about it? Just make them use it and watch the money come pouring in.
Some of you need to realize that most of us in the business world want the best software for the $
Really? Maybe that's why linux is gaining ground?
but do not really care about puffing up our chest and ranting about one being better than the other. Nothing personal, but you might as well tell me how OpenBSD is better than FreeBSD. Same shit, just all TALK TALK TALK. We don't care. We know windows is not secure, we know all that shit, but its not the first priority, even if YOU think it should be. We are not stupid. We just don't care about your OS politics.
Insecure Operating systems is not OS politics. It is crap software that leaves it's users open to attacks that can cost you and/or your business money. Sure linux isn't perfectly secure, but at least you have a chance in hell to secure it.
And who is this "we"? I wasn't born running linux :) I was once a windows user too. I finally tired of paying my hard earned money for crap. At work I tired of rebooting my machine when I could have been writing code. I tired of having to update my virus protection software. I was tired of having to kill explorer on windows XP and restart it so the desktop would respond again.
Is a secure sytem even a priority for you? You have mentioned that you buy software to get things done and for purely capitalistic reasons. Can you get work done if your business data has been erased by an attacker? How much money can you make if you can't use your computers because they are busy with performing a DDoS attack? Banks care about making money yet they take security seriously.
Do you own a company that has customer data stored on your computers? I hope I'm not a customer of yours. My data would not be secure.
ah yes. you are probably right. I had just read an article somewhere about how windows is just as secure as linux and was ticked.
Uh, "as good as windows 95"?
:)
What planet are you from? Linux kicks ass over Windoze XP let alone Win 95.
If you mean you can play more games on windoze and more devices work with it, that is a different story. That has nothing to do with how good an OS is. It has to do with market domination that demands support from hardware/game vendors.
But linux is much more stable than XP (yes, i've used XP before) and much more secure. YES! MUCH MORE SECURE! You can't even argue with that. Don't even try. Oh. there you go. You are trying to argue with that statement in your mind right now.
STOP. Can you audit the windoze code and then show me how the code backs up your claim that windows is as secure as Linux? Think again.
By the way, by copying this message onto your computer (it has just been cached on your HD), you agree to pay me 1 Billion US dollars due on April 29 at 2 PM PST.
Sorry for the rant, but I've used windows. I've heard people try and tell me how secure, and how much better than linux it is. BS! Don't believe me? Pre-lease your pallidum box now...
whew
I mock your gigaflops.
But, Apple has one good thing going for it. Al Gore, the Father of the Internet, is on the Board for Apple.
I had a friend (yeah, that's it) that used to work for SCO when they were still in Santa Cruz, CA.
The executive team would get up in front of the employees at quarterly meetings and talk about how Linux was not a threat and that SCO UNIX on Intel was superior. Who's SCO's daddy now?
Also, this umm, friend of mine also reported rumors of the former SCO CEO being offered more money than SCO was worth back in 1999 from SUN for the company. SCO's CEO supposedly had harsh words for Mr. McNeely.
So, then Caldera buys SCO.
Don't forget that SCO spun off Tarantella at the same time-another failing company.
Then Caldera changes name to SCO Group. Now they sue IBM.
What a bunch of losers!
I hope that I get another call from SCO's "partner" program people about developing software for their platform. It will be a lovely discussion.
I wonder if The SCO Groups head Lawyer is still the same one from SCO (pre-caldera). He was an ex-SUN lawyer.
MS is/was a substantial share holder in SCO. In fact, it wasn't until 1999/2000 that SCO removed MS's CFO from SCO's board of directors.
Maybe MS is using their position here to put some pressure on Linux?
can we get some people above the age of five around here?
please mod parent down.
Back to the topic. Wow. You mean people can make
money selling valued services via the web? Go figure.
I've never seen an adding machine that can download and view pr0n!