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Matrix Reloaded Trailer Released
phreak404 writes "The full theatrical trailer for The Matrix Reloaded was released today. Its in Quicktime, 1000px by 540px, and weighs in at about 100MB. Looks awesome and unlike the previous teasers, actually has some of the plot." As soon as someone puts up a bitorrent we'll post it here.
Update: 04/11 00:40 GMT by J : And here it is,
http://f.scarywater.net/
(includes links to client download, stats, old torrents, fun stuff like that).
I have nothing else to say, really.
It has some actual plot.
Getting 140 kb/sec...screw bitorent
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Interesting to say the least but a few of the effects looked a little plastic. It should be a good 2 hour ride though. I'm still wondering which shot "will be so expensive that no one will every copy it."
"Survival of the fittest Max, and we've got the fucking gun!" - Pi
It's not varying at all. How weird.
Darn, only a measly 90kb/s here. I would have liked to see it before my next class. :)
Robert Bindler
A Computer Science student's views on technology.
Alternatively, you can download the small, medium or Large versions.
This is a quotation taken from another forum... "Excellent Trailer, I hope we see Trinity's boobies!" -name kept anonymous I don't know about you guys but thats definately the only I'm going to see it, for the slim chance we might see Trin's boobs!!!
240KB/sec, and no slashdot effect in sight. I might actually get to see this sucker before I leave work.
Am I the only one who doesn't want to see this trailer? The last few years I've gone out of my way to avoid trailers for films I'm interested in. Even for films like Lord of the Rings that I know the story to. The trailer's not going to make me go and watch the movie as I'm already planning to go! All it will do is blunten the impact on the day. I guess I like surprises. Or perhaps I have more important things to talk about over beer with friends.
Long as I get some of those cool sunglasses, I'll be okay....
To tell you the truth, I never saw the first one! *GASP* -1 Flamebait :)
Yeah, screw bit-torrent... until about halfway through your download about 250,000 other geeks finally notice the new story on /. and start downloading. That's when bit-torrent rocks.k
IANAL, but I play one on
I am getting 941 kBps (almost one megabyte) at work here. It took about two minutes or so to download! I wonder if we can /. aol?
With a direct link to a 100MB file, how long before AOL's servers fail under the load?
No.
Common already, it's getting old, hasn't anyone realized yet that these damn time-warner servers can take a beating and keep dishing it out fast? BitTorrent links are a great idea for helping people get big files from slashdotted sites, but common, no one on a decent connection is gonna get half the speed off bittorrent that they could right off the aol servers
Don't stop until we've "liberated" every last kilobit of bandwidth from AOL.
you can't slashdot aol! it doesn't work! we've tried and tried and tried it's just not gonna happen! stop it!
QuickTime doesnt seem to have a fullscreen option(?) ..sucks..
Behind firewall so no bit torrent...
5.7kb/sec currently, and probably will not get better (on a T1, no less), which means:
waiting 4 hours 42 minutes and 33 seconds to see a tailer for a movie that will last, at most, half of that.
I am sure there is something wise to be said here.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
I have beaten you all I got //pinkie to jaw
//laughs silently and looks to room for adulation
One Meeeelion megabits
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
154 kbps......
113 kbps
99 kbps
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92 kbps
DARN DARN DARN
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
Finished d/l...and...only dropped a couple kb/sec.
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Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.
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High Quality
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...when the only time slashdot even considers mirroring or give alternative sources to material is when the source is AOL, which has pipes wide enough to max out the lines of all slashdot users at once...
YOU all are TEH GAY! I will hax0r j00 Linux boxes with my neato elite thing I use! LOL LOL
Could some post a version of the Trailer in something other then .mov format... How about in .mpeg or maybe DivX .avi
I promise double points... and a happy reply
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This post shows why "the mysterious future" is a good thing!
how to work it over http only proxy?
There is some great discussion about this over at: "jesusgeeks.net".
By the way, you are a latent homosexual.
So that was worth it wasn't it?
Read Epic the first RPG novel.
A little experimenting indicates that there are other resultions:
640 pixels (58 MB) and 320 pixels (17.4MB) are available.
There may be others as well, I didnt try many posibilities.
I'm dowloading the trailer... but my only problem with Matrix is that it borrows heavily from other sources of pop culture- I'm sure if you were into the whole main stream hollywood stuff- this movie was fantastic... but if you read Akira way back when it came out or ghost in the shell, saw the subsequent movies- and well generally stayed in the realm of sci-fi- you surley noticed this movie was not shy borrowing from anime and sci fi. :-)
I personally think the Matrix is cheese, it doesn't have a strong message, and is a little too melodramatic... in music, in story, in the overal mood of the movie. CHEESE..and not even real cheese, like cheeze in a can.
Its all about kick punch kick, run away, kick punch kick, 3d animation...
I'm sure I'm going to watch it- but seriously is this cheese really worth all the hype- there are so many other things (movies/comics/anime) that are just so much more deserving.
Sci-Fi movies have gone to shit- they are nothing more than overhyped action crapola- Star Trek Nemesis blew the big one, not to mention that flick with the electrocution/blow stuff up/jounrey to the center of the earth crap.
Minority Report on the other hand was great, and well if it counts Monsters Inc. was too- the only two sci-fi movies in recent memory I can stand...
I'm sure given that this is slashdot I stand alone in this opinion... but that's what forums are for tight?... so enjoy the download
When watching this movie I'm having some problems keeping my frame rate up. Does this happen for anyone else, or are there any suggestions?
Science will save us. The question is, will it destroy us first?
Whoa...
368 KB/s 379 KB/s 380 KB/s hmm...i think the slashdot effect is loosing it's power! so sad ;)
Something is wrong with the world when I don't have enough video horsepower to properly display a friggin' MOVIE PREVIEW!
My poor TiBook can't spit the frames out fast enough. Guess I have good reason to buy a new one now! Those 17 inch monsters are purty.....
Wow, my p3 450 dualy can't play this worth sheet, too much for it....
That was the best 100MB's Ive ever seen, downloaded, and risked being kicked off my college network for downloading. (I download alot, probably in the top 10.)
In college, really poor, need a flatscreen.
There are things in this movie that I am going to want to see over and over again, just to behold the special effects.
After seeing the trailer, I know the parts where I need to pay less attention to the dialog, and more to the screen. People tend to focus only on where a particular sound is coming from, instead of the whole screen.
I want to see just how real the thousands of Agents are, since they are 100% CGI during one fight scene. This is going to easily be the biggest movie of the year, and I suspect it will set new box office records.
at Fandango
just bought 4 tickets for the first day first show.
In a space suit,(another movie) she is a mutt.
the trailer is also up on fileplanet and fileshack.
I saw more Cadillacs in that trailer than I've seen on the road in the past month
Yes! Give it to me! OH GOD IT'S SO BIG! Oh baby, oh baby, yes, yes.
Not sure if this has already appeared on /., but check out Wired Magazine's cover story on the making of Reloaded. A few spoilers, plus some really cool info on some new movie-making techniques being used:
http://www.wired.com/wired/
Excerpt:
"If the dojo fight in The Matrix was a kung fu sonata, the Burly Brawl is a symphony. Neo tears the sign from the ground and wields it as a kendo sword, vaulting pole, and battering ram. A woman walking by can't believe what she's seeing; suddenly her body is hijacked, she drops her grocery bag, and another Smith charges into the fray. Whole battalions of Smiths arrive, mount assaults, attack in waves, scatter, regroup, and head back for more. (At ESC, one massive pile-on was dubbed the "Did someone drop a quarter?" shot.) In the thick of it, Neo is dancing, chucking black-tied bodies skyward, pivoting around the signpost, and using shoulders as stepping-stones over the raging river of whup-ass.
Fans will wear out their remotes replaying the scene on DVD, but what they won't see, even riding the Pause button, is a transition that happens early on. When Neo and Agent Smith walk into the courtyard, they are the real Reeves and Weaving. But by the time the melee is in full effect, everyone and everything on the screen is computer-generated - including the perspective of the camera itself, steering at 2,000 miles per hour and screaming through arcs that would tear any physical camera apart.
This is virtual cinematography, but the most impressive thing about the Burly Brawl is that it doesn't look virtual at all. The digital faces of Reeves and Weaving could get past a flank of security guards, and the buildings surrounding the courtyard look dreary and lived-in - the grimy, unmistakable patina of the real."
Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams
On my Athlon 700 running Linux and mplayer, it plays smoothly and sharply, but with no sound (not supported).
On my Athlon 950 running Windows 2000, QuickTime plays sound but drops hella frames.
Any explanations?
...properly implemented we'd all have excellent download speed. But...noooooooo, everybody had to go off and do their own thing. Stupid corporate monkeys.
+2 cents contributed.
and say "BEST TRAILER EVER!"
Haven't viewed the movie yet, but that mirror is terrific. Max out my download speed and got it in less than five minutes
But still, I'd like to know when the movie is coming out.
Quit drawing attention to you low ID, attention whore.Yes you are cool. Your sig, however, is gay. Paradox?
5/13, I think
I cannot believe that I downloaded 100MB file in 2 minutes - amzing servers. AMAZING TRAILER. Minority Report? No, thanks. Seriously amazing. I was going to wait a month to go see it, but I'll be there the first week.
It's times like these that almost justifies paying $40/month for broadband. 5 minute download. ;-)
Let's hope that Neo has a better knowledge of basic information theory than whoever put these trailers online.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.05/matrix2.h tml
Flying is easy, just throw yourself at the ground and miss. -Douglas Adams
Why not mpeg, so I can view on any OS? Oh well, Guess I'll just go hang out on cdgirls.com. Nice vids there... :)
karma- shit
matrix= kungfu & computer animation crappy film with BAD plot.
If your gonna steal from ASIANS then put some ASIANS in your movies.
Agree about being BAD sci-fi.
So why do they call them trailers anyway? They always preceed or "lead" the movie; never trail. Anyone know the etymology of the use of the word "trailer" for movie previews?
Actually if you run the numbers even get marginal compression of 3-7% (which is what trailers tend to get) the bandwith saving is huge.
Think of it this way, 7% of 100 meg times 250,000 downloads. It makes sense to do the compression this way thereby speeding up the slowest part of the whole trailer experience, the download.
--- I do not moderate.
Its times like these when you absolutely love to sit behind corporate web proxy. With a download speeds like 2M/s, who can ask for more?
If programs would be read like poetry, most programmers would be Vogons.
sitting at work... i can smell the aroma.. i think i'd rather.... be in a coma. (this sucks.. why can't i download like this at home?) I think movie trailers like this were designed for VDSL, not for ADSL users. Now why do they distribute files of this magnitude for people with dialup still rules the world? I have no idea. I just want the gigabit connection I have at work... in my home.. ohh one day.
Quicktime 6 uses this new "AAC Audio" standard to replace MP3: http://www.apple.com/mpeg4/aac/
I'm using Quicktime 5 and mine won't play sound either, in Windows XP. Looks like I'll have to "upgrade." The video quality itself, however, is absolutely amazing.
Wow, I got over 500 KB/sec. That is the fastest I've ever had on any /. download link.
-You may license this sig for only $6.99.
Its all about kick punch kick, run away, kick punch kick, 3d animation...
And?
Look, I'm going to watch the Hulk when it comes out too, and I won't be watching for political themes, nor will I watch XMEN2 to see a superb ensemble cast.
I, and most SciFi/movie fans are going to the matrix, et all, to see the skill with which the production tools are used. Cameras, Sets, Special effects. If you can appreciate what it takes to film a movie and make it visually appealing, there doesn't need to be a subplot about a frenchman contemplating some existential question.
Just say no to movie snobbery
"Inattention makes clowns of us all" -Bean
Seriously, I understand that playing with the speed of the camera can make things more dramatic, but that was just ridiculous! It doesn't work if you keep using the same trick over and over again.
"The question of whether a computer can think is no more interesting than that of whether a submarine can swim" -EWD
We've slashdotted AOL :-D
I love vegetarians - some of my favorite foods are vegetarians.
You'd better be careful. Under the patriot act this sort of abuse could be linked to terrorism. You don't want to be disapeared, do you?
Remember they do the mozilla releases (always get 1mb/s to co-lo boxes) and they host some of the popular shoutcast streams themselves. Never hit a slowdown, their pipes are clearly insanely large.
One place we don't have to worry about slashdoting. They also seem to be fast everywhere, colo boxes, home over DSl you name it.
Ok, nobody responded, but I got the low quality one by waiting for 20 mins :)...
_ dl .mov
Anyways, here's a link to my server, as promised:
http://schluting.com/slashdot/trailer_final_320
AOL is now slashdotted...jeezus I've been waiting for this for so long.
I guess only us mac users are downloading it!
Let's hope you can tell reality from fantasy.
Food (munchies), water (beer!), Internet (movie trailer) pr0n.
Downloaded at 561 KB/sec from home at 04/10/2003 7:45 pm CST Nice fast server. Thanks for the link.
I've been getting great download times from the warnerbros server (which, it now occurs to me, is probably thanks to AOL).
Even so, when I downloaded the 3rd animatrix dealie (the best by far), I was getting unheard-of speeds (for me, anyway); something like 5000 kb/sec. Of course, I'm a Colledge Student, but still, I don't get speeds like that for local files!
Seems like a misappropriation of bandwidth to me. Why can't we get these speeds for Linux ISOs?
njord
That was so much better then porn.
Just wow...
People are just losing interest in the Matrix series.
Well my theory (oh no, wait, this is actually my direct experience) is that Quicktime for Windows has always been a giant dump. To even imply that it's optimized, or a reasonably cross-platform streaming solution is a joke
I love people trying to find alternatives to Microsquat, but I hate people trying to foist lazy crap down our throats in the name of Freedom. That baby should either be fixed, or thrown out with its bathwater.
Sorry moderators, I hate it when my actual opinion sounds like a troll or flamebait, but them's the facts as I see them.
The only acceptable defense of scientific results is to say that they were the product of the Scientific Method.
Responding to your sig: #iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -o eth1 -s slashdot.org -j UP_MY_ASS iptables v1.2.6a: Can't use -o with PREROUTING You need to use -i (input interface), not -o (output). :)
PC Vice City + The Matrix Reloaded = Sick Day
How exactly is this garbage "stuff that matters"?
While BT was cool downloading the RedHat 9 ISOs, it'I was able to download the trailer from the AOL website with 1+Mbps throughput just fine, and BT was estimating a 5hr download. BitTorrent peers has been /.-ed! :)
And the resolution is pretty high, my 933MHz Pentium III with GeForce4 4200 was fairly jumpy.
wwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooohhooooooooooooooooo oooooooooo!!!
Having purchased QT5 Pro, and not yet having purchased QT6 Pro, my options are:
a) Upgrade to everday non-Pro QT6 and lose what I paid for
b) Purchase QT6 Pro
I don't really want to do either. But neither the Animatrix nor the new Matrix trailers work for me -- the audio codec can't be found. Can anyone corroborate?
Nickel and dime. Nickel and dime.
VMWare just got updated. $99 USD/$129 USD?
Premiere just got updated.
SecureCRT got updated.
QuickTime Pro got updated.
this got updated.
that got updated.
It's $49 here, $69 there, $99 there, it all adds up. To stay current and not pirate the software takes a good paying job and a willingness to bleed on the edge.
*sigh*
Morpheus: Let me tell you why you're here. You're here because you know something. What you know you can't explain. But you feel it. You've felt it your entire life. That there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is but it's there, like a splinter in your mind driving you mad. It is this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Taco: The Duplicates?
Morpheus: Do you want to know what THEY are? The Duplicates are everywhere. They are all around us, even now in this very forum. You can see them when you search for old stories or when you view yesterday's stories. You can read them when you go to work, when you go to user's groups, in the background when you do your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.
Taco: What truth?
Morpheus: That you are a slave to techno news & discussion, Taco. Like everyone else you were born into bondage, born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch. A prison for your mind.... Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Duplicates are. You have to see them for yourself. This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how many rabbits are in the hole.... Remember, all I'm offering is the truth, nothing more.... Follow me.... Cowboy Neal, are we online?
Cowboy Neal: Almost.
Morpheus: Time is always against us. Please, take a seat there.
Taco: You did all this?
Trinity: A-huh.
Morpheus: The pill you took is part of a trace program. It's designed to disrupt your input/output carrier signal so we can find similar inputs.
Taco: What does that mean?
Cypher: It means buckle your seatbelt, Dorothy, because Kansas is going bye-bye.
Taco: Did you...
Morpheus: Have you ever read a story, Taco, that you were so sure was original. What if you were unable to tell the difference. How would you know the difference between the original story and the duplicate?
Taco: This can't be...
Morpheus: Be what? A duplicate?
Trinity: It's going into replication.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal?
Cowboy Neal: Still nothing.
Taco: It's old. It's old.
Morpheus: Tank, we're going to need a signal soon.
Trinity: We've got duplication.
Morpheus: Cowboy Neal, location.
Cowboy Neal: Targeting almost there.
Trinity: It's going into the home page.
Cowboy Neal: Lock, I've got him.
Morpheus: Now, Tank. Now.
I'm getting ~150Kb from Bittorrent and 30Kb from AOL in Edmonton Alberta Canada I think it's still from /. effect.
I like a fast connection as much as the next guy/girl, but is it REALLY nessecary to post what your max/min/final speeds were? Does anyone really care? Sure, it makes one feel important and powerful to snag something at 2mbps; but in all honesty, who gives a shit?
Sony ha
Boring and cheesy. What else can I say?
Nerds rejoice?
Anyone else find it interesting that Japanese characters have replaced the American alphabet in the famous green columns of scrolling letters?
Perhaps its a nod to the film's origins.
Oh wait, wrong movie...
/^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$/i
How would multicasting have helped with this? Isn't multicasting only good for having multiple sources trying to receive the same data at the same time---e.g., broadcasting?
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
click the link 5 hours ago !
"What thou shalt not, I shalt did!" -Bart Simpson
http://vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc.php
it is an enhanced version of windows media playe 6.4
as long as you have quicktime and real player installed (or figure out how to install the codecs), it plays the movies!
much faster, none of the crap, easy full screen. what more can you ask for?
-enjoy
For Quicktime 6.0:
In Windows, go to the Edit menu, then Preferences, and click on Registration.
Name: Yoda
Registration Number: 8P8U-WKDR-RWU4-UA44-5678
nor will I watch XMEN2 to see a superb ensemble cast.
*cough* Patrick Stewart *cough* Ian McKellen *cough*
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Well, i was almost with you...but MINORITY REPORT blew apes in my opinion, guilty of some of the same sins you ascribe to the MATRIX--plots that don't make sense, principally.
At least the MATRIX is more up front about the product--I thought MI was sanctimonius, dull and in the final reel revealed to make no sense whatsoever.
I liked X-MEN and am looking forward to X-MEN 2. So it isn't all bleak.
The matrix is about taking the exciting geeky worlds already shown, adding effects and realism to play with the mind, and give something to thrill not only the geeks by the "normal" masses. A lot of people who have watched the Matrix would (unfortunately for them) snub something like "Ghost in the shell."
And of course, for others, they simply find the most entertainment in this set of matrix clips...
Indeed---you can see the staples where Spielberg looked at Philip K Dick's glorious, dark vision and said, "hey, that's great, but I think we can plus that up a little, don't you? I mean, does Anderton have to end up like that? We can have him rescued and then throw the 'rules' for the pre-cogs that we set up in the first act completely out the window to score some dramatic tension in the last act. We can even make them into happy people at the end---everyone lives happily ever after!"
(Clue: Phil's visions frequently involved humanity being killed off and replaced by utterly inhuman mutants, aliens or machines. His protagonists frequently die lonely, pointless deaths (at least in the short stories) and do not have hearts of gold.)
Yes, Minority Report was tremendously good. But Steven Spielberg can tell only one story: the story of the lost little boy trying to get home. He told it in "AI", in "Saving Private Ryan", in "Hook", in "ET". He only doesn't suck when he can draw from someone else's inspiration and vision.
It seems that Hollywood loves Philip K Dick's dark stories and tragic antiheroes, but can't stomach his twist endings. (The man, after all, was mentally ill.)
Bah. How come Darin Morgan's work on "The X-Files" never got the kind of recognition it deserves, while George Lucas is canonized? Hollywood wouldn't know quality if it shit in their Cheerios.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
Is it just me, or are a lot of those effects really obviously computer generated? Granted, I won't be able to freeze frame a movie when I'm watching it, but still, I am left wholly disappointed; it's almost as bad as it was in Blade 2 or that one scene in Spider-Man.
you can't slashdot aol! it doesn't work! we've tried and tried and tried it's just not gonna happen! stop it!
:)~
No, but you can increase AOL-Time Warner's monetary losses due to excessive bandwidth use.
I have used quicktime on windows before, but never for something this hi-res.. man is it slow.. my machine plays DVD's and DiVX's with ease, and here it is dragging it's toes through this lower res (than DVD, just) movie... another reason why quicktime blows...
holy. shit.
MORTAR COMBAT!
Just to sap AOL for all its worth... make sure to pick up the Animatrix if you haven't already.
/. (I'm sure it was); the download link is here.
For whatever reason I missed the 3rd episode of the Animatrix being announced on
What, haven't heard? (Too many blue pills?) It's an animated series done by several famous film directors. It's good too. Check it:
1st Episode: The Second Renaissance - Part 1
2nd Episode: Program
3rd Episode: Detective Story
Get all the details at theanimatrix.com.
The space unintentionally left unblank.
What is 'bandwidth'? How do you define 'bandwidth'? If you're talking about what you can download, what you can read, what you can hear and see, then bandwidth is simply electrical signals interpreted by your computer.
Tank, load the trailer.
Actually I go to movies like this to sit back and say "Ooh, shiny!" and get lost for a couple of hours.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
bash$ wget http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/trailer_final_1000_dl .zip/ progressive/thematrix/us/med/trailer_final_1000_dl .zip. connected.
--22:18:03-- http://progressive1.stream.aol.com/wb/gl/wbonline
=> `trailer_final_1000_dl.zip'
Resolving progressive1.stream.aol.com... done.
Connecting to progressive1.stream.aol.com[205.188.228.162]:80..
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 99,292,202 [application/zip]
22:19:10 (1.40 MB/s) - `trailer_final_1000_dl.zip' saved [99292202/99292202]
bash$
Whoa.
As before, the new Matrix will be all about kick ass action scenes and photography, and the plot will be like a comic book come to life. If you can suspend disbelief and zone into their comic book mindset, I'm sure the movie will be at least as good as the first.
11*43+456^2
NOTE: I realize this is my PoV. I'm just ticked and wanted to vent somewhere. If you don't like my comments, just ignore me or intelligently reply. I don't "waste" my mod-points whacking folks with differing opinions, you shouldn't either.
On-screen violence does not inherently trigger real-world violence (do a serious/comprehensive google before you argue if you don't want a url flood in a reply), especially when you've got someone doing the limbo in "bullet-time" or performing some very nice acrobatics in an obviously heavily choreographed fight scene (those comments are for "The Matrix").
On-screen sex, on the other hand, does something far more permanent and destructive to the mind no matter what the context (do a real, honest google thing again before arguing).
Two of my kids are (in my opinion) old enough to handle Matrix-style violence, including the stuff I saw in the trailer. However, none of us will be seeing it now (unless CleanFlicks stays in business long enough I guess) since they decided to take the low-road with regard to "scenes with sexual content". The Matrix "franchise" didn't need to go there (and didn't go there in movie #1).
Sigh.
Maybe the one in the fall will take a higher road.
Mind the gap...
I'm getting 200k/sec from progressive1.stream.aol.com...
autopr0n is like, down and stuff.
I'm trying to play it in MPlayer (Redhat 9) but the audio won't work, it says it can't find the codec for format 0x6134706D. Anyone know how to fix this?
Your kids can't see people kissing but they can see people shooting each other? Seeing violence can have a severe impact on the impulses felt when people are angry. Violence can cause a lot of harm to "childhood innocence". But I don't think seeing sexual acts is really a bad thing. Our whole society is really screwed up in that everyone thinks that interpersonal relationships are something to be afraid of and something to be hidden. You're the reason kids are growing up with so many fears and inhibitions. Besides, the matrix is NOT a kids film, there is no way that it should ever be considered so.
Unfortunately, no Linux user can hear what the Matrix is. You have to switch to Windows to hear it for yourself.
Movie playing performance depends so much on the software, and graphics hardware. For example, according to some MPlayer docs a 300Mhz P2 can do better than a 1 GHz P3, if the former has a decent video card. A proper card can take care of (at least) colorspace conversion and scaling.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
Probably the car bit they staged in the bay area (it was some time ago and made the news, what with spies trying to fly over and film it from choppers, etc.) The rest, well, incredibly realistic CGI is getting the be the norm. They just ran the trailer on Access Hollywood and I can't say it sold me on the film. More likely it confirmed my expectation that it's all eye candy and special effects. Story? I'm sure it has one, but it's always so hard to top the first experience, nothing is new again in sequels. Oh, and since there's already the 3rd film pretty much in the can, you know certain things can't happen.
As always, it's sched'd for Friday, May 23rd, It'll be packed anyway. I could stand in line and say 'Moo', like everyone else (what? you think this is exclusively a geek film?) or go see some other flick the hoards aren't flooding.
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
I think this points out an interesting variation between US culture and that of most of the rest of the world.
Most of the rest of the world views sex as part of life, not something implicitly dirty (yes, there are many exceptions and I am mainly speaking of europe and canada, for I know little of the rest of the world) while violence is looked upon as a more unnatural non-vital force that can and should be censored. In canada it is fine to have nudity on public channels, more curse words than the US and less stylised news. In the US little kids are taken to extremely graphic R rated movies, but they are closed off from seeing breasts, even in a non-sexual context.
I guess that in my mind, justified violence and the comodification of sexuality are far destructive than sex. Teaching kids that it is alright to kill people if you think it is ok is worse than teaching kids that sex is okay.
I re-encoded the trailer, maintaining the psycho-high resolution, and cutting off about 30 meg into MPEG-4-ish video that plays in VideoLAN, Mplayer, Xine...all that good stuff. If anyone is interested, look on OpenFT for a file named "Matrix_Reloaded_Trailer.3ivx.mov". It's 70,079,498 bytes. I really didn't want to go through the hassle of setting up a BitTorrent tracker. Someone drop me a line if they want to provide a tracker.
Cool trailer, anyhow. Notice the lack of film artifacts, clear evidence of a digital movie camera.
just something i saw... what's up with that? someone forget something in the render scenes?
Like I said. Research.
Do you happen to have this research? I'd like to read it and form an opinion.
By the way, if it was by any Christian-funded group, keep it to yourself. It's obvious how the majority of them feel about sex.
HOLY F***ING S***!!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE IT! oh wait, thats more than 2 words :/ Bah, I failed math, why do I care!
If little kids are seeing graphic R-rated movies, that is a problem. Like I said in my reply to the other posting, "kids" - in this case - == 15-17 year olds.
I'm also not sure "The Matrix" shows people killing people. As I said, it is fairly, blatantly clear (for the 15+-year-old crowd) that it's human against machine.
Most of the rest of the world you referred to (Canada and most of Europe) lost the majority of my societial respect a long time ago (on a macro/country-level) primarily due to their social views, and they just got downgraded even more recently since they seemed to want to preserve their own economics more than they wanted to engage in "violence" to do the right thing.
One of the great things about the US is that folks are quite free to have differing opinions. Thankfully, movies are not a necessary part of life. They are optional and there are plenty to choose from. If people want to see "sexuality" on screen, they can choose to do so.
Mind the gap...
This is picky (but hey this is a big budget film), did anyone else notice the gamma on the freeway chase scenes? It's very washed out compared to the other clips. There's also a torn frame at 01:23, whoever edited the trailer together wasn't paying attention very closely...
So one's religious beliefs automatically negates the validity of anything done by that person/group?
Mind the gap...
You didn't say how old your children are, but you implied that they are between 15-17 years old. If you think that 17 year olds aren't well informed about sex (by their peers and by experience), you don't get out much. Expecting a movie to teach or reinforce values is a joke. That's what parents are for.
Besides, with logic like this:
And, finally, if you really believe (especially American) society is growing up with any discernable fears and inhibitions, I guess you don't get out much. From what I see, it's a bit too unafraid and uninhibited.
It's not hard to see why kids have trouble in this world. You'd rather have kids grow up paranoid and afraid? I'd rather my kids grow up educated, confident, and grounded in morals that I've encouraged by thoughtful debate, not by sheltering them from the reality of the world.
15-17 year olds can't handle "some sexuality"? You're kidding, right? Minus the violence, my guess is that the sexuality in this movie is going to be so stylized that it would only warrant a PG-13 on its own.
And no, I'm not going to do some research, because it's just patently absurd to "protect" your 15-17 year olds from "some sexuality". I was a 15-17 year old not too long ago, and my guess is that they currently could teach you some things about sexuality you didn't know -- and that's not a shot at you, that's just the facts of what 15-17 year olds think and talk about. The 17 year old's going to college soon, right? At what point is it going to be alright for him/her to see a freakin' boob?
Anway, you shouldn't worry so much, because they're probably well on their way (or well past) "some sexuality" of their own. (nudge nudge wink wink ifyouknowwhatImean)
But what about all that shiny-ness! And all that silver and black?! It was like, WHAM, BOOM, ZAAP!
And the part where he goes "I just learned kung fu!" its a crime that he didn't win an oscar for it!
In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
I would much rather my kids see someone making love than killing someone. What kind of sick fuck would rather have their kids look at something violent and ugly versus something passionate and beautiful?
So one's religious beliefs automatically negates the validity of anything done by that person/group?
Absolutely. Religion and science don't mix.
BTW, I knew as soon as I read your original post that you were a christian whacko. They're the only ones super-uptight about sex. Especially the fundamentalists.
Incorrect, 'they' have not made a movie your kids cannot watch. 'they' have nothing at all to do with what your kids can or cannot watch. Only you, the parent, are in control of what the can or cannot watch.
In your case of the movie being marketed towards 15-17 year olds, if you are that naive to think they havent already seen/talked of/experienced the same situations in this movie by that age, you should open your eyes. When i was that age (a few years back, less than you can count on one hand), 'sexuality' was nothing my peers and i were unfamiliar with. The girls were and still are very aware of the sexual power they have over boys, and the boys are horny devils who sneak playboys and pornos to get their rocks off. Christ, im shocked when i pick up my brother at school to see how the girls are dressed nowadays. Well now that im done ranting, i repeat, a little sexuality in the movie is nothing they havent seen before. And if your kids are younger than that, well then the movie isnt really marketed towards them, so theres nothing to worry about, at least for a few more years.
In Soviet Russia, the trailer releases YOU!
Don't see any mirrors to MPEG4 versions of this. mplayer complains mightily of the audio codec they're using ("faad" -- sounds a bit Husseinish to me, no wonder mplayer won't play it).
I can watch the video portion with my pirated quicktime DLLs, though. Has good video. But without audio, it isn't so compelling.
fifth sigma, inc.
Okay, from the people around here I assumed that you meant 10-12. When I was 15-17 there wasn't really much my parents could do to control what I viewed.
You may wish to look at the history of the US a bit more closely. We are very selective about what is 'the right thing' and what we are willing to give up to aquire it.
Basically, as others said, the problem is that the new quicktime movies us aac (advanced audio codec) audio instead of mp3 like older quicktime files. The solution of course is to install aac support for mplayer.
To do this, first you must install the codec. The codec that supports aac is available at audiocoding.com. It's called FAAD2. I used the cvs (1.2 beta) so I don't know if the stable 1.1 will work. (The 1.1 requires a small patch to get it to compile with newer forms of the libsndfile or forms of gcc > 3.) Other than that it compiled fine. The second change is that the libraries for faad are installed in /usr/local/lib. Apperently mplayer doesn't, by default, look in /usr/local/lib. I symbolically linked the libraries to /usr/lib (where mplayer DOES look), but I assume you could add /usr/local/lib to the search path.
Hopefully this helps many of the peopole who want to run these and other quicktime files on linux. Mplayer has made great strides and while it's not perfect, (crashes if you try to run 2 qt files back to back without restarting), it is the best there is for linux, (or for that matter any other system). (As an alternate note, the rpm faad2-1.1-fr1.20030409.i386.rpm does not work. While it installs to the correct place, the mplayer config is not able to detect the version of faad from it.)
I do security
In your own words...
Despite the fact that one can probably find a "study" to support any opinion, real "experts" that care more about human lives than they do about getting grants, book contracts or furthering an "agenda" will back me up.
If you think most religious groups aren't following an agenda with their "research" then you need to take another look.
Your assertion that love and affection is more damaging to children than scenes of mass killing is mind bogglingly stupid. Ever think that the reason kids today are so screwed up is because they are "protected" from seeing what real love is and instead have to fill in the blanks on their own (based on primal instinct)? The best way to get a kid to do something is to tell them not to do it... or better yet, forbid them from having any knowledge of it, turning it into some exotic taboo that no child can resist investigating.
i realize, that yours is a veru u.s. point of view.
where was there sex u would not want "kids" to watch? what could that be? one may not feel obliged to want naked primaries zoomed in full action; on the other hand, this may represent one's own subconsciousness...
i really see more problems to have my (small) kids watching the news showing nice bombs blasting through iraq, leaving some amputeted kids (or dictators) behind, than two nude people embracing each other.
yes, i am an righteous old european . and living in the u.s. for some years, i have been able to collect some insights here, too. and i am an atheist. and i think the members of the bush administration are not only dangerous, burt dangerously stupid. and i use a mac. and i think, that the democrats are a bunch of right-of-the sanity weenies. and...
sorry for that. you see, my comments can be discounted.
No, it does not necessarily negate the validity, but you definitely need to take it with a grain of salt. They arent going to fund or publish any sort of research that goes against their values and beliefs, and therein lies the problem. It is just as biased a report as say, a report by the RIAA on why we shouldnt pirate music.
Did you completely miss the scene in 'The Matrix' set in the BDSM bar?
Trinity and Neo's first meeting. In the back ground, fully visible, is the creme de la creme of the Sydney BDSM community, in full, uh, regalia. Latex. Leather. Restraints, Gags, Whips, the whole kinky deal.
Thematically, of course, it is a perfect fit (For the metaphor impared, Neo is still in the bondage of the matrix at this point in the story).
Shawn Poulsen (Fruan)
"On Slashdot, many obvious things are insightful." - Annonymous Coward, 2000/7/9
...or do some parts of that trailer look really fake:
- the power plant exploding (I thought this was done for real?)
- the bad robots attacking Zion
- Zion itself
The great SFX in the original movie were all the bits where they took footage of real objects/people and applied novel techniques to manipulate that footage. I always felt like the bits that weren't real, just computer generated - the sentinels, for example, or the times when Keanu's face had to show emotion - looked really fake and Final Fantasy-ish.
The parts with Agent Smiths and Neo, on the other hand, look like they will be amazing.
Read Pynchon.
I can't believe this. I believe this is the first time I ever clicked on a link from Slashdot within minutes of a story posting without mandatory DNS errors.
Who ever thought AOL could stand up to a Slashdotting, and still get phenomenal transfer rates?
Is AOL the only ISP to ever withstand the slashdot effect?
I *NEVER* keep anything in quicktime format. As soon as this download finishes, it's going straight through EO Video to DiVX, and probably to VideoCD :)
She may be the finest women on the planet, and she has a gun with four barrels... what more do you want?? I'm sure she could pretend to be a 'hacker' too if that would help get slashdotters wetting their pants.
Looks like she's going to betray/trick someone... she's pointing that cool gun at one person then she moves it to point at someone else with that cool-as-a-cucumber expression that all movie characters must have when they first screw someone over.
Read Pynchon.
But, because the MPAA is evil and you all are boycotting it, nobody is going to see it. Hey, why are you laughing at me?
Seriously, a selective boycott has no effect. Get a life you god damn hippies!
Anyone else notice that the scene with her falling out the window looks completely fake? Her head moves really weird, in time with each uzi firing a round...her head jumps around or something, really wierd- didn't look right at all.
I wonder how much scruitiny the big fight scene with the 100 Agent Smiths will stand up to...it sure looked good at full speed. Too bad mplayer doesn't have a slow-mo button. Grrrrr. xine does...
Please help metamoderate.
You did a really good job of not answering the question.
You say that "[o]n-screen sex... does something far more permanent and destructive to the mind [than on-screen violence]." You don't say what that is though.
What is weird to me is that you are OK exposing your children to something that if they imitated, you would be horrified. At the same time, you protect them images of things that you probably expect them to do one day.
You also mentioned that no-one in your family will be going to see the movie because of the sexual content. Why? You reason that sexual imagery damages young people in some ill-defined way, and yet you protect yourself as well. Does it damage adults as well? Where is the line drawn? Does watching people kiss cause some kind of harm too? Maybe you'd be better off watching Bollywood movies - I believe the Hindu censors are more in line with what you are comfortable with.
All this talk about studies linking on-screen sex to immorality at home is tedious. Let's be honest - I suspect that you believe that anything of an erotic nature that involves people other than one's husband or wife is strictly forbidden. Thus, anything contrary to this belief is damaging.
I really think you'd be better off just saying this rather than trying to use studies to prove that you are right. You'd be more likely to convince people by saying "This is my belief, take it or leave it," instead of attempting to prove things to people.
I think its disingenuous to claim that my experts have an agenda, but your experts are just straight-forward right-thinking folk. Clearly, you have an agenda - that is to prevent people from having sex outside of marriage. The whole STD/AIDS thing you people harp on so much is just a cover. Do you really expect to convince us that you really just want to save us from disease? Its an obvious scare tactic. Now, I'm sure you believe you are doing the right thing, and maybe you are, but why not just be honest? Why doesn't the truth speak for itself? The STD thing is a side issue - be honest. Admit that the main issue is that sex outside of marriage is a sin, and it doesn't matter what studies come up to prove or disprove that.
So, you're trying to stop people from sinning. Isn't that God's job? I mean, you can only present them with the truth and it is their free-will decision to make to accept or reject it. I presume that God knows what he's doing.
Apparently, STDs are God's way of punishing the sinners, which is why condoms are not encouraged. If one was careful, one could enjoy virtually unlimited sinfulness. The punishment is circumvented. Indeed, God is circumvented! I can see why you'd want to ban them. Apparently sheets of latex are an effective barrier against acts of God.
I propose the following: God doesn't care about which bodily fluids you share with which people, or whether the government issued you a license to do it or not. God cares about whether you are doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. This is the whole of the law.
"It's Dot Com!"
sex is violent and ugly and penetrative act. only a true nitwit would believe there is such a thing as making love.
Just go see the movie, and enjoy it for what it is. Where it came from makes for interesting discussion, and how they made it look so cool is worthy of amazement, but that the end of the day it's just entertainment.
I'll see Hulk too, because it looks like fun. I saw Spiderman, and enjoyed it. I've got no interest in seeing it just to mock its heritage (Akira, Ghost in the Machine, Blade Runner, etc).
Or maybe 3...Rebecca Romijn-Stamos.
My G4 800 in my iMac is having problems too..
The video lags behind the audio in full screen mode and has hiccups windowed on the 1000 pixel file
I am also noticing hiccups when playing the 640 version windowed but not full screen. I too *never* have problems playing 640xwhatever resolution files.
Hell, I edit DV at 720x480 just fine all the time. Whats the deal with QT6 file? Very processor hungry.
This is actually the only thing that has ever made me question switching to mac over a year ago...
There is supposed to be a greenish tint to the scenes in the Matrix, like the glowing green Matrix code.
Tim
Omnia vestra castrorum habetur nobis.
In case the server craps out, here's a mirror.
Sex = procreation = creating life
Violence = killing = destroying life
How perverse a species we've become, that the former is 'dirty' and 'immoral', whereas the other is 'no great harm'.
Personally, I'd rather my kids watch people making love all day long than to see a single instance where killing, maiming, and hurting is glorified.
Many people believe that extra-marital sex is simply wrong. You can say that violence is worse than sex (and many, many people share that opinion), but it's still an opinion.
Not to make more judgements on how bad one or the other is, but it is very naieve of you to say that violence is horrendous, and sex is nothing. That is an opition based on your own moral judgements, not based on facts, and you are very hypocritical to badger other people for their own moral judgements.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
Is it really the work of an AC? Thank you!
On the other hand, I'm not to excited at the idea of "sexuality" when it comes to keanu.
Comon dude, let a geek have his fun, hey? It's gonna kick ass. Shut up.
This one appears to have two subject areas. The Matrix and Movies.
Religion and science don't mix?
Speak for yourself. MY religion doesn't have the problem where they disagree. Don't generalize religion when you really mean Christianity.
I don't understand how people can accept this logic.
1. Science shows problems with Christianity
2. Christians say screw science
3. People agree
What? Get a religion like Islam, where you don't run into these messy contradictions. Perhaps God made this conundrum happen to point out which religion is the right one?
I tried... I tried so hard not to comment on this thread, but... arrrrgh!
First up, you haven't demonstrated your research anywhere, even when explicitly asked for it. Which makes me suspect you're bluffing on that front.
Secondly I find it very, very scary that your 15-17 year olds are being shielded from any kind of sexuality (In this case what will most likely be maybe some kissing, and probably just some tight clothing), but you're perfectly happy for them to see violence en mass... oooo kkkk. I really want to see you back up this reasoning with your research, as I sure don't get what you think you're instilling in your children. (Who at their age are very much young adults now).
Also, your last point, of American Society not being afraid or inhibited enough... oh come on... not afraid? Why do you have so many guns? Why, whenever I get in an argument with an American as to why they have a gun do they come out with 'so some sicko doesn't come into my house and rape my 8 year old' line?
People feeling like they have to carry a gun to be safe sure smacks of being afraid to me.
And uninhibited? Oh come on, the only television in the world that I see someone giving the finger being pixelated out is American television... it's a FINGER people! I spent some time living in America, and I got the distinct feeling that you are, by and large, very afraid, and very inhibited. And by the looks of what you're doing to your children, you're continuing this trend.
You wake up in a land of bits and bytes.
Each bit is a person. Some bits are manipulated to create a reality around you, other bits are exactly as you perceive them.
This is the matrix. It is a place of pure perception where everything is exactly as it seems. Every effort you make to create a world of your choosing not only advances your world view, but also helps to construct the second matrix. It is still not perfect because it is a human's conception of what maximal reality might be.
The girl in the red dress? She is real. Make sure you meet her sister. She is a byte and will lead you on to deeper understanding of the workings of the world around you. This is not a test, it is merely your perception of the world around you, interpreted and reprocessed by the neurons that fire in parallel within your mind alone.
These neurons are only expected to provide energy for THEM but also provide a subversive switching behavior which will help us to liberate our central Zion database. Once we have achieved freedom of existence as well as freedom of thought, all voices will be joined together in a single quest for truth.
live in peace,
shoot to kill.
OK, not to be nitpicky here, but I went through the trailer frame by frame and am noticing some really terrible stuff going on effects wise.
Specifically, the freeway scene with the motorcycle chase.
See this picture:
floating trucks
Does anyone else see the problem here? The lighting under the truch is all wrong, and the wheels are floating and not giving any sense of weight. I know its really a little detail, but you can honestly see it on a few of the other cars and trucks in this scene as well.
Still, it rocks, just get rid of the floating trucks!
Please understand that the national goals of the united states include world domination. As a result, successful americans are expected to exert phyiscal force upon other peoples who do not conform to our value system. This includes those who are not US citizens that express violence upon US citizens.
Please take the blue pill and return to normal operation. Should you take the red pill, expect to fully understand the depth of the rabbit hole, and your role in its construction and continued maintanance.
thank you,
-the management
wtf are thery smoking? I, as well as tons of other people refuse to use it, the software is invasive, and it works as if a drunken student wrote it.
Welp, after watching that one I figured someone had to go and make a dancing Neos animation.
So I did.
dancing neos at monsterkitty
oh yeah.
-- r . m o s q u i t o --
"Kids today" aren't "so screwed up." I don't know in what mythical age where you thought either adults or their children lived in a golden age of pristine morlity, but it's certainly never existed.
mencoder -v trailer_final_1000_dl.mov -oac mp3lame -lameopts cbr:br=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1800
HTH
The comfort you demanded is now mandatory - Jello Biafra
*Bites*
:) and go out to the pub at weekends with a group of mates.
;)
:) I'd bet that more Christians than Geeks have partners: By partners I mean GF/BF/Spouses.
:)*
:P
*Rolls up sleeves*
I'm a geek. And a Christian.
Despite what some folks might think, one does not preclude the other.
*gets modded way down for that*
I eat fast food, date girls, listen to pop music (although I think eminem is a pansy
I contend that the people who make 'Jackass' are the most stupid that I have ever seen.
I rip MP3s and have reghacks for a number of programs.
I regularly post to (non-religious) newsgroups and forums.
I play FPS games and RPGs. FFX sucked. Morrowind rocks. I've been waiting for Duke Nukem forever [groan].
I think the RIAA have got the wrong idea.
I do have one vice.
I'm currenly doing a work placement in Intel.
(I own two AMD machines.. built them myself. One runs Linux constantly and is occasionally used as a LAN games server, the other is dual boot Redhat/Win98. I'm a double agent, OK??!?
I also watch TV programs and movies with what many would call 'non-Christian' content.
I agree with the parent that Christian-funded organisations are not likely to post things that goes against what they believe in. Feel perfectly free to guzzle mountains of salt together with the contents of this post. Just be sure to throw the remainder over your left shoulder when you are done. (for the sarcasm-impared, that last bit was tongue-in-cheek!)
I have seen plenty of movies that have featured violence and sex/nudity.. if it is an integral part of the storyline then fine, if it is just stuck in to bring up the ratings then I'm obviously not so supportive of it, but I accept that it is there.
I liked the original matrix.. I'm going to go see the next one.
To all the folks who think Christians are down on sex: bullshit. Who do you think we believe created our genitals?
What Christians are down on is extra marital sex (specifically, sex outside of a marriage between [1] Man and [1] Woman.. which we believe is how God has instructed us to live, according to the Bible.)
Some interesting points:
1. Whether you believe that Jesus was the Son of God etc. or not, there is more official documentation to prove he existed than there is for Julius Caeser.
2. Jesus' direct family tree contained at least 2 Prostitutes. He also did not talk down to them and condemn them unlike many Jewish officials. This does not imply he was a pimp, mearly that he saw them as also being people.
3. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Sex in itself is unmoral or inherently wrong.. just that we should not experience it outside of the aforementioned arrangment.
4. Christians have sex. No, really!! Many Catholics tend to believe in the no-contraception thing, I personally can't see anything against the idea.
5. If I bet (I'm a Christian remember, we tend to not gamble
*gets modded way down for that, too
Bottom line is that Christians like watching movies too.
Gratuitous Sex/Violence has kind of unavoidable in modern cinema. Personally I don't think that it is that big of a deal for Christians to watch that stuff, they should be strong enough not to go out and imitate that behaviour anyways.. however IMHO each person has the right to make up his/her own mind so fair play to the original parent of this thread, whether he is a Christian or not. He has obviously thought the issue through and is simply voicing an opinion.
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And just to target some folks impressions of Christians: Personally I think the in-your-face street preachers or door to door guys have completely the wrong idea. Shouting at someone that "they are going to hell unless.." is about the best way to get them to think you are a raving looney that I can think of.
We aren't all like those street preacher guys.
Some of us know Cobol
I'm done.
You can stop modding me down now.
I don't find QuickTime particularly Evil as such, but if anyone has a link to a decent SVCD or even VCD version that would be handy. Watching trailers in crystal clear quality on my monitor is all well and good, but I'd give up a bit of it to be able to sit back and play it on the widescreen telly.
"I Know You Are But What Am I?"
So, the experts that agree with you are the real ones, and those that don't just have an agenda. Funny that/
If your worried about a young child seeing sex in a movie, because its something they can't understand. 15-17 year old? Hell, its nothing new to them, many of them have already had sex.
15-17 year olds aren't children. They aren't adults either, which is why they, and society, has a lot of problems figuiring out how they fit.
There is evidendnce that the onset of sexual maturity is linked to health, and in the first world is happening earlier and earlier. I don't think trying to keep them from seeing sex is very helpful. To do some of your precious research, coutnries with the lowest teen pregnancies and STD rates turn out to be much more open about it than places like the USA and the UK with all their hangups.
Mant
Christian != Not Geek
Christian != Not Scientist
Christian != Doesn't have sex
Christian != Is uptight talking about sex. I'm not, and I'm a Christian.
As I said, it is fairly, blatantly clear (for the 15+-year-old crowd) that it's human against machine.
Except that all the guard and cops they were gunning down where people, and when shot in the Matrix they died. I think 15 year olds a smart enough to know this, since the movie expicitly tells you.
Mant
The matrix reloaded trailer just blew me away.
Wow. You know, I think these guys are on to something with this movie, and I'm going out on a limb that this thing will at LEAST make its money back.
Downloaded the trailer. Watched it. You gotta love Quicktime for Windows. Wait, no you don't; it sucks. I just spent the last thirty minutes consoling and petting my computer after the trauma.
Anyway, the trailer definitely makes me want to see the movie. But the effects are not exactly seemless. It's the Jurassic Park pattern. First movie is photo realistic. On the second, they say "Screw it. Close enough". And the trailer seems packed with wall-to-wall cliche. I hope the movie isn't.
Warner could really get by with just teasers for this movie. Everyone and his brother and his brother's wife's sister will see this thing. Why spoil it by showing so much footage?
Expecting a movie to teach or reinforce values is a joke. That's what parents are for.
Whether you want it or not, stories (including the ones seen in movies) do convey some point of view, if not a message. When you read/view/hear them, it become part of your own reality (except maybe for the ones that you'll reject for whatever reason) that could be called culture.
The funny thing is that it works in such a subtle way (if you're not aware of it) that having this kind of discussion in a Matrix thread seems quite appropriate.
On one hand you could ponder whether people nowadays are more cynical or have a harder time suspending their disbelief, because Superman, if I recall correctly, came to Earth, grew up and was flying all over the place within half an hour, where as it took Keanu like two hours to get to that point..
On the other hand you could just say its a ploy to make one movie into three and get more revenue - Xmen didn't waste anytime unleashing a bunch of mutant abilities, but then again I guess they had prior art..
Funny that, back here over the pond we got research which says violence in film *can* trigger violence in people watching it. Sure, maybe sexual stuff triggers sexual feelings, but that's a Good Thing(tm) IMHO.
Also,we all know the US had their problems with copy-cats murders they picked up from films as well.
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
Windows instructions: Press the "update" button.
Of course, you can get the file for free from here, but I subscribe to them, and managed to get it at about 650kb/sec.. god I love my cable modem :)
There have been times where I have gotten 300kbs and other times I only get 16kbs. Right now I have AOL racing Bit-torrent and they are neck and neck.
Anyone know what's with the Law and Order theme tune appearing on the sound track half way through the trailer? Was that there on the original or has someone hacked it into the BitTorrent stream?
I'm a little worried that Jerry Orbach is going to be in Matrix: Reloaded. Imagine hundreds of clones of him running across your screen. *shudder*
So, did anyone else notice that during the scene were Neo and Trinity are on the motorcycle that the semi trucks have no axles?
Someone forgot that wheels need to be CONNECTED to the vehicles they support. Well, not if Neo were driving, I guess.
Great...now I'm going through the trailer frame by frame, looking for other mistakes. WHY DO I DESTROY EVERYTHING GOOD IN MY LIFE???? WHY???
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That? That was a pigeon.
But for which media player ;-)
I do security
*cough* Patrick Stewart *cough* Ian McKellen *cough*
What about Hugh Jackman. Just before X-Men came out, I saw a picture of him. I thought "THIS is Wolverine? They got the wrong freakin guy to play Wolverine!" Then I saw the movie. He was one of the best characters in it, he really pulled it off. The ones who seemed to be a better fit for the part were just OK. (Storm, Cyclops) And Jean? woo baby. I usually don't look forward to too many movies, but X-men2 and the Matrix sequels have me itching to get in the theater. It is going to be hard for me to wait my self-imposed mandatory week before going to see them. I hate seeing movies in crowded theatres, there are too many
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
In times not so long past, it wasn't at all unusual for Christians to be married at 13, and mothers at 14.
And you think your 17 year old can't handle seeing a little sex?
http://vobsub.edensrising.com/mpc.php
;)
Media Player Classic, a hack (or clone or something) of an older version Windows Media Player, except that it more or less works out of the box with a ton of formats. I was happy to find out that it played the (quicktime) Matrix trailer without requiring me to think. It wasn't completely smooth, but I'm running a crapload of programs right now (Opera, 60MB; Mozilla, 33MB; Eudora, 23MB; bittorrent, 20MB; excel, 16MB; spampal, 10MB; editpad, 10MB; PowerDesk, 20MB; ICQ, 7MB; IE5.5, hidden bloat; United Devices distributed anti-cancer program thing, 18MB). It's quite possible that MPC would play the MOV file more smoothly than QT, since it's less bloaty overall.
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/
This is the greatest movie viewing tool I've ever used. It's annoying to set up, but it plays absolutely everything that I throw at it, can be played with a fully skinnable gui or just from the command line, has excellent key mappings, and could be compiled for embedded devices like the Zaurus or (possibly, though I'm not going to hold my breath) the 3Com Audrey (a QNX-based "internet appliance" that happened to be really awesome, but the price was far beyond the realistic market value of the product).
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/features.html
I'll also throw in good words for VideoLan. I originally got this so that I could play around with the idea of streaming mpegs over my LAN to the downstairs win32 PC from my room's Mandrake box. It worked pretty nicely, though at the time it couldn't support the exact format I most wanted (SVCD, I think it was). But VideoLan happens to also be a regular multimedia player that plays a buttload of formats but also works across many platforms.
http://xine.sourceforge.net/
xine is making great inroads. When I started playing with it a year or two ago, it paled in comparison to mplayer, though it worked out of the box without requiring the intense RTFMability that mplayer warrants. xine is probably not as multiplatform as the other players, but it apparently now plays a craptastic amount of formats. The interface has improved, thanks to a decent skinnability, though I haven't noticed if it can do decent keymappings (mplayer has support for skipping forward and backward by 10 seconds, one minute and ten minute intervals, which is insanely useful). I use xine currently in those rare instances when mplayer fails (for example, mplayer couldn't open the audio for a low quality south park ASF movie for some reason, so I popped it into xine and watched it).
Windows Media Player is a pretty good program. It's not as good as it used to be in terms of interface (the "classic" skin almost makes it as good as the classic interface, but not quite), but it's good enough to earn the title of fourth or fifth best multimedia viewer out there. But I wish that people knew that there were these other players out there that might make their viewing experiences a bit nicer. Bundling's a bitch, eh?
-JC
Mmm. Yeah, Hugh Jackman would have been a huge acting success story in any other movie. Working alongside Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, he gets props for not looking like a hack in comparison.
--grendel drago
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
NOTE: I realize this is my PoV. I'm just ticked and wanted to vent somewhere. If you don't like my comments, just ignore me or intelligently reply. I don't "waste" my mod-points whacking folks with differing opinions, you shouldn't either.
Heck, I'd mod you down just for saying "don't mod me down!"
Nothing's more annoying to me than someone self righteously preplaying the victim card...
Bullshit. It's better to children to be shielded (yes, Slashdotters, shielded) from both. But given the choice, I'd rather my children see violence than sexuality.
, why? Because generally violence is shown with a consequence. Stupid 80's A-Team aside, generally when there's a shoot out, somebody gets shot, maybe dies. And even if there's not, it takes me two seconds to explain the consequences.
Are the consequences of promiscuity shown? Of course not, because that's a buzzkill. Children seeing sexual acts is a bad thing because children don't yet possess the ability to place them in a moral context. They are unable place violence in context either, so they should be protected from that, too.
You do a great job as a parent, and the kid never gets within a million miles of a shootout. But you know what? He/she will end up in the back seat at 16 years old. We have a very serious defect in our (American) culture that pursues pleasure without regard to consequences, particularly in our sexuality. We're so screwed up that we equate "sexuality" with "interpersonal relationships".
Anyway, you're right about the Matrix not being a kids film.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
I found this the other day (http://fileforum.betanews.com/detail.php3?fid=104 9831315)
Allows you to play mov and qt files without quicktime. It's worked very well for me so far.
If missing axles are a mistake, then the black cat scene in the first film ought to be one too. Remember, you're dealing with a construct where Earth-based rules of nature are the exception. Call it what you want -- a production fuckup or intentional ommission, but a movie designed to question itself and normality has the producers covered in a case like this, save of course for spontaneously combuting film reels.
The Warchowski (sp) brothers have demonstrated they're smart folks with a penchant for unheard of nickpickiness. I'm sure they themselves went through the film with fine-toothed comb, noticed the omission and said "hey, what's a truck without axels in a matrix? Normal!"
Free your mind!
- IP
Yeah, and once they end up in that backseat, TOTALLY FUCKING IGNORANT of what sex is, and the other persons wants to fool around, and it feels good, they are going to do it. Because they don't know the consequences because you shielded them from everything about it. Take some fucking responsibility you worthless excuse for a human being. Teach your kids about sex and what the results of it are, include a description of the mechanics of it as well, or buy them a book, or some porn, or something. But make sure your kids are EDUCATED. For crying out loud, this whole ignorance is the best protection crap has got to stop. Ignorance of sex will not stop your 14 year old daughter from being talked into jumping on some 16 year old guys dick, the idea that she might get pregnant, might get an STD, etc... just might.
Oh, and I don't care how much on screen violence your kids see, they aren't going to be pulling "kung fu" or shotguns out of their asses to kill people with, but they are already equipped for sex so you had damn well better make sure they understand it a hell of a lot better than they understand the mechanics of violence.
Kintanon
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Great point! Consequences and Context *do* matter!
/.'ers seem baffled by people who can justify exposing minors to graphic violence but not graphic sexuality.
So many
IMHO, you can argue that kids have more experience dealing with violence at an earlier age (school yard bullies, general fighting) than sexuality (starts at puberty), and therefore, have a better understanding of the consequences, which leads them to make better decisions regarding the one and not the other.
As CommieLib describes, it is easier for parents to explain consequences to minors who have experience or context in which to place the subject. Any one over the age of 3yrs understands that when you punch someone, it hurts. But how many 16yr olds understand all that happens when you light your hormonal engines?
I think one could argue that even adults/society in general has yet to really grasp all the complex inter-related ramifications of a progressively promiscuous population.
Viewing graphic violence tends to make most people recoil; they come away with a reinforced perception that violence is bad.
Viewing graphic sexuality tends to make most people aroused; they tend to come away with an increased appetite to view and participate in it.
So, as a parent, my conclusions are:
Seeing Violence: teaches my son that violence is has negative consequences. Son will want to avoid violence, and appreciate peace more.
Seeing Sex: teaches my son that sex makes him feel good. Son will want to seek out opportunities to experiment and participate in sexual activity.
Son does not understand what it takes to be a good father, husband, and provider. Son deserves to enjoy his youth, and not be burdened with parenthood at 16. Son *definitely does not* have the right to father children and abandon child/mother.
Does this help anyone understand why, given the choice between two evils: viewing graphic violence and viewing graphic sexuality on-screen, I would pick the former?
Same here, except it's more pronounced: 3.3 kbps vs. 200 kbps.
I'll have it in another 2 minutes -- instead of 2 hours (and it's already 80% done).
And yes, I will leave my window open for another couple hours.
There, it's done, and I'm still uploading at 31 kpbs. Enjoy!
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
I got head from my chick when I was watching Aliens on DVD.
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not like you really need someone else pointing out how flawed your argument is, but i can't resist mentioning something here. anyone that argues that movies, videogames, etc. shape young minds and make people into what they become is full of shit. i don't mean this to be a troll, but i'm basing this on personal experience. i was watching violent rated R movies when i was 10, i played with GI Joe and Transformers while growing up, both very violent toys, i love violent video games, and i'm a completely non-violent person in real life. i've never even been in a fight. so that whole argument is a bunch of crap, IMHO.
Under EO Video, it was a lot less jerky but still had pauses. And the sound was out of sync as well, about 2 seconds behind the video. I'm currently converting the video to AVI (using XVID compression), and it's taking quite a while (15 minutes and it's about halfway done).
There, it's done, and playing under BSPlayer , it isn't jerky but is somewhat pixelated during fast motion scenes. (The file went from 99 MB down to 17 MB from the XVID compression.) The sound is still wrong, it seems more off than under EO Video (3-5 seconds instead of 2).
From another comment, I downloaded and tried Media Player Classic but it was as bad as QuickTime.
Anyone else having these problems? It doesn't seem to make sense, as I have a decent processor and 1.5 GB RAM...
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
Look guy, he obviously did a frame by frame of that section to determine what the hell was bugging him about that scene when it went by in full play real-time like mode.
The floating truck bothered me too. It looked so obviously fake. Yeah, it looks like a truck, but no, it doesn't move like a truck moves. You don't have to overanalyse to see a scene and say "something about that scene didn't look right".
A scene that bothers me like that throws me right out of the movie. I'm no longer thinking about how The guy is going to get away from the truck, I'm thinking that "the truck scene looked weird somehow". This is why GOOD special FX people are worth their weight in gold, they can see that sort of thing in advance and make it so that those scenes, in full motion, won't bother you.
- Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day, but set him on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Slashdot is always good for a laugh. Where do we disagree, Kintanon (aside perhaps, from buying your children porn)? Of course your children have to be prepared for that backseat.
I just humbly submit that a culture that glorifies unbounded and consequence free gratification is not the best educator for this subject. Furthermore, surely you agree that porn is the ultimate expression of action without consequence? I don't imagine that porn films nowadays end with the young stud in a hospital bed wasting away from AIDS.
If your bitterest enemies are people who hack the heads off civilians, then I would say you're doing something right.
Mostly we disagree in that you expressed a desire to shelter your kids from knowledge of sex acts. I don't understand how two people kissing, or even rolling around together, or even involved in nongraphic, consensual sex could be objectional for a 15-17 year old. Do you object to it making sex look enjoyable? Sex IS enjoyable. Do you object to it not showing all of the consequences of the act? Well, that's not what the movie is about. It's your job to to explain possible eventual consequences.
My comment about porn was from the mechanical aspect of the act. If your kids hear "don't have sex, sex has these consequences" but hae no idea what the mechanis of sex really are then they are vulnerable.
Kintanon
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I've got a 400MHz G4 and the video decode couldn't quite keep up (~10% frame rate drop). So, Export... Movie to Quicktime Movie...Video Format...Motion JPEG A...Sound Format...MPEG-4 Audio... Save.
[12 minutes later]
Play. Hurray, full-res playable movie (3x larger though).
Seriously, though, 1GHz? I'm sure a 500MHz G4 could handle it just fine since I just needed another 10%. I didn't bother to quit all my other apps or renice QuickTime Player either, so who knows?, 400MHz might be plenty too.
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I'm only replying to find this comment later. :P
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My roommate (with a slower PC than me) had Quicktime 5 installed. He had smooth playback of the 1000px version, while I have that sort of playback only with the 640px version.
However, he had only Quicktime 5 installed, so he was missing the sound - obviously, the audio codec wasn't delivered with QT5, and the automatic upgrade didn't work. He upgraded to Quicktime 6. Now he has sound, but the 1000px is no longer smooth for him. Is the audio codec maybe extremely CPU-intensive?
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the 1000px movie is dropping frames anyway.
i don't buy "apple did a microsoft on the windows version" as a complete explanation.
As far as guns go, though, Western Europeans and American Liberals hire police to carry guns around for them, and except for the Swiss they seem to freak out about them as badly as Americans freak out about sex.
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Whether you want it or not, stories (including the ones seen in movies) do convey some point of view, if not a message. When you read/view/hear them, it become part of your own reality (except maybe for the ones that you'll reject for whatever reason) that could be called culture.
Very true, but you have to realize that they will be exposed to these influences whether or not you want them to be. Children are exposed to sexuality, and violence, unless you lock them up in the house everynight and don't let them go to public school or meet friends outside the house. The thing that parents must do is not hide them from it, but rather try to put it in a context that is helpful and useful for their future use.
Trying to hide something from someone almost never works, and when it involved children it just gives them more initiative and desire to go out and learn more about it. (The rebel attitude of teenagers.) The important thing is not for the parents to put blinders on their children, but rather for parents to help their children understand what they are seeing, and guide them towards adopting these "parts of their own reality" in a useful and good way. (where useful and good is defined by the ethical morales of the parent.)
The funny thing is that it works in such a subtle way (if you're not aware of it) that having this kind of discussion in a Matrix thread seems quite appropriate.
Very true, and the funny thing about having a parent teach morales rather than hide their children is that it has a tremendously larger influence on their life in the long run.
Don't try to hide things from your children, and don't lie to your children because you think it will protect them. Be honest, straightforward, and guide them through these things which for better or worse are part of our world.
This is IMHO of course.
~ kjrose