1. I did not stay up all night documenting US abuses.
Too bad, maybe you should have.
2. The US has a very good system for arguing violation of laws. It may be slow, but it works.
When your laws are unjust, who cares if they are enforced.
4. The US does not filter the word "freedom" at any level.
No, but they would love to filter out other things, such as 'deviant smut'. Or even some boobs! When "The history channel." is being censored, there is a problem.
5. The Constitution is so important to US Citizens that it is required memorization in school, and is constantly used in Supreme Court decisions to strike down unconstitutional laws.
Really. It's a shame then that people seem to care less about violations of the constitution these days. These people seem to disagree with you
6. The US people are not oppressed. If we were, we wouldn't be having conversations like this, would we?
Just because you are not as oppresssed as China, does not mean you are not being oppressed. Christ, your government is trying to force the teaching of non-science in science class. Any citizen can be arrested without reason by the military. Any information about you can be siezed without notice by your government. Your media is censored. Really. Your country is NOT the bastion of freedom and good values you seem to think it is.
And the worst problem is not so much now, but the future. The trends your government are setting are truley frightening. I would not be surprised if it DID become illegal to critizise your government in the future. Already some people have been arrested for being at a protest. Sure, this is done under the guise of some other law. But it never used to be that way.
Your country is a frightening place these days. All great nations fall eventually, and it looks like it's the USA's turn.
Holy wow have YOU been brainwashed. I'm glad you see injustice in China, but maybe you should look closer at your own country. Also, you do realize that there are FAR more countries in the world than China right? And the UN does not cater to single countries right? You also realize that the UN routinely denounces unjust laws, including in China, and even in places like Canada!
Really, please fix your broken country before you start worrying about the rest of the world.
I never suggested anything of the sort, but the Joe Sixpack term is even more stupid. Not only does the 'average joe' have no sixpack, but these days they are also fatasses. Plus, having a sixpack does not make one stupid and unable to operate a computer. So I think my description hits the 'average' person quite well, saying nothing about computer geeks.
There are independant companies that have access to the source code actually. And it's unlikely that they will be able to easily prevent them. This is not a matter of source availability. Rootkits plauge Linux as well, and the source being available has not made them go away.
The availablitiy of the source code has nothing to do with it. Joe Beerbelly is not going to be looking at the source code of his operating system. You'd be lucky if he understands that a thing called an operating system exists and has something called source code associated with it.
If your solution is to fix it yourself, you've already lost. It needs to be fixed by the *official* software vendor so that the changes can be pushed automatically to all the Beerbellies and Flabbyasses out there.
And besides, even for those who can understand the source code, it's not like the changes required are simple. If you DO manage to understand the system enough to make some usefull changes, a vendor will not just blindly accept them. They will themselves have to review the changes and completely understand them anyways. So why not do it themselves the first time? And to the person spending all that time doing the vendors work for them, do you not have a life or a job or something?
On the Mac every program in inheirently MDI. Having all menus on the top and having the tool windows dissapear when an application is not the active one makes MDI work nicely.
The problem with GIMP is precisely that there IS no unified menu, and that the tool windows are hard to manage and get in the way or get lost, unlike on the Mac. Make Gimp work like photoshop on mac, and you will have a winning interface.
Well, considering 4,000,000 x 5 = 20,000,000, it would by quite the coincidence if they meant it any other way. Especially with the "either or" type wording.
But hey, whatever, us arguing about it won't make the studios try the non-block buster route.
Mach is indeed a kernel by itself. It is a microkernel. The definition of a kernel is NOT to provide all UNIX services.
It's true that the freebsd services run in kernel space though. Also as I understand it, the services are not exclusivly from FreeBSD anyways. They were originally from NetBSD I think, then later had most/some of the NetBSD mixed or replaced with FreeBSD code. So it truly is niether FreeBSD, nor NetBSD. It is Mach with some BSD based kernel services running in kernel space.
NT uses the same model by the way. It it a microkernel with other services running in kernel space.
There is a BIG difference between the US haveing some controlling interest as in the UN and having ALL control. Please get a reality check.
Besides, if history teaches you anything, it's that empires fall. We should be VERY worried about the current insanity in the US.
Other countries don't have nearly as much control over things as the US does. China would not get far trying to get some sort of censorship implemented in the UN for instance. In my country China has no influence over our laws. On the other hand, the US has immense influence and continually tries to bully my country into implementing US style laws and policies. To me, the US is the immediate threat to freedom.
I seem to remember an article about the US not relenquishing control of the root DNS servers to an international body of some sort.
I seem to remember a large number of US citizens saying things like, "the US has never abused it's power (over domain names)", "the US would not impose its views on other countries by interferring with the domain names", and so on.
Some of us who posted that we didn't want the US to have controll over the domain names because we didn't trust the US administration got flamed to a crisp.
Well. This is exactly the kind of tampering that we didn't want. Top level domains should be controlled by an international group that does not let one country impose its views on the rest. I hope people now see why some of us want this.
RMS's philosophy is clear. However, the fact that some people see it as some moral bible of software does *not* in fact make it such.
People are entitled to their opinion. Some people don't think open source software is the way to go at all. Some thing the BSD license is a better way to go than the GPL.
Since you have no more proof that the GPL is better than proprietary or BSD code, than supporters of those philiosphies, I don't see how you feel you can get off talking about 'lecturing' others.
I do agree that Darl and Jeremy are idiots though. And Jeff seems a sleazy considering that he tried to steal stuff from Novell, but wanting a BSD license kernel is NOT wrong in any way. Of course, it would be much better just to extend an existing BSD kernel of course and leave the GPL people to their vices.
If people don't want to give up their freedoms to proprietary software, they can simply choose to use open software. The GPL does nothing to protect this choice.
What it does do is try to entice programmers into being forced to write GPL code and hence support the philosophy. This is fine, but it is not protection, but rather advocation and leverage. It
If the choice is free with ads, or pay without ads, yes I'd pay. But that is not the choice. Planetside has had no ads. Now it has ads. The price did not go down. Many ads are simple greed.
If I could pay a couple dollars extra at the theater to skip ads. I would.
Same goes for games. I DO NOT WANT ADS IN MY LIFE. Clear?
I just fucking dont want anyone to restrict people access to my own code.
But modifying your code or adding to it and relicensing it does not restrict any freedoms to your code, the code you released. You are attempting to impose your will on others. Which is fine, but that is what you are doing. Your code is not free. People have to share their modifications in return for using it in their application. That is a form of payment. Sorry.
If their only way to "make money" is to restrict the access and the freedoms of the code, they can write their shit from scratch.
Code does not have freedom. Code is. Just like a log does not have freedom.
The GPL restircts the freedoms of people who use it. Not as much as other licenses, but none the less it does.
The GPL ultimately talks to the selfish in us. Remember, a BSD project can be relicensed as any other license. So in fact more people are likely to use your code since they can relicense their changed version under whatever license they want.
There is no way whatsoever that licensing under the BSD is worse than the GPL, unless of course the real reason you want to give away code is not to help others, but rather to benifit yourself.
How do you benifit yourself? You force others to put changed under YOUR license of choice. This means you get access to their changes whether they want to be nice or not, and it may also push your political agenda by forcing people to use your particular philosophy bound license.
Then, there is always the spitefullness aspect of the GPL. "If *I* can't make money off the code, you sure as hell won't either!"
So what is your motive? Greed, Power, or Spitefullness?
I totally agree with you, but seriously doubt we'll ever see the greedy content producers figure this out. According to their *projections*, selling at a high price to a few people is more profitable than selling at a low price to lots of people.:(
I can't think of anything off the top of my head as GUI's are not my area of research. I have come across many a failed GUI though, which is why I asked if you'd done a good background check.
It not entirely clear from your description what your goals are, but it sounds maybe something like the GCG web interface (Wisconson Package). That program is not open source, and I think EMBOSS is essentially an open source versoin of the GCG command line programs. A quick search reveals at least a few projects attempting to put a front end on EMBOSS.
Also, I remember an old project at sourceforge that was attempting to do a bioinformatics workspace type GUI. I forget the name now, and it probably died as that was many years ago.
At any rate, good luck with your project. GUIs are fickle things. It's difficult to hit the nail on the head (probably because there are so many different types of nails!).
Did you do a literature search? There are many such applications that already exist, or are in development. It would be wise look up existing solutions so that you don't unintentially repeat the same mistakes.
I wish we had that here in Canada. In addition to getting an ass raping on your insurance, you can also get points on your license. Enough points and you get your license suspended.
Approximately 50% of your population agreed with those artists. There was no time to gauge if 'people stopped listening to the stations' as they were pulled immediately.
The US snubs the world court because, among other things, they were accused of international terrorism. The US has done many despicible things. They brought mass murdering dictators such as Pol-pot, Saddam, even Osama bin Laden, into power. You may not know these things because they are not talked about in your media. But read some of Chomsky's documents. He is a US academic that looks into the truth of these things.
High horse is a common modern statement meaning 'stop thinking that you are all powerfull'. I'm glad you read up on its origins, but that has nothing to do with modern reality. Sorry.
Slashdot Mirror
1. I did not stay up all night documenting US abuses.
= 291
Too bad, maybe you should have.
2. The US has a very good system for arguing violation of laws. It may be slow, but it works.
When your laws are unjust, who cares if they are enforced.
4. The US does not filter the word "freedom" at any level.
No, but they would love to filter out other things, such as 'deviant smut'. Or even some boobs! When "The history channel." is being censored, there is a problem.
5. The Constitution is so important to US Citizens that it is required memorization in school, and is constantly used in Supreme Court decisions to strike down unconstitutional laws.
Really. It's a shame then that people seem to care less about violations of the constitution these days. These people seem to disagree with you
http://www.aclu.org/campaigns/campaignslist.cfm?c
6. The US people are not oppressed. If we were, we wouldn't be having conversations like this, would we?
Just because you are not as oppresssed as China, does not mean you are not being oppressed. Christ, your government is trying to force the teaching of non-science in science class. Any citizen can be arrested without reason by the military. Any information about you can be siezed without notice by your government. Your media is censored. Really. Your country is NOT the bastion of freedom and good values you seem to think it is.
And the worst problem is not so much now, but the future. The trends your government are setting are truley frightening. I would not be surprised if it DID become illegal to critizise your government in the future. Already some people have been arrested for being at a protest. Sure, this is done under the guise of some other law. But it never used to be that way.
Your country is a frightening place these days. All great nations fall eventually, and it looks like it's the USA's turn.
Holy wow have YOU been brainwashed. I'm glad you see injustice in China, but maybe you should look closer at your own country. Also, you do realize that there are FAR more countries in the world than China right? And the UN does not cater to single countries right? You also realize that the UN routinely denounces unjust laws, including in China, and even in places like Canada!
Really, please fix your broken country before you start worrying about the rest of the world.
From the 24 pack obviously!
I never suggested anything of the sort, but the Joe Sixpack term is even more stupid. Not only does the 'average joe' have no sixpack, but these days they are also fatasses. Plus, having a sixpack does not make one stupid and unable to operate a computer. So I think my description hits the 'average' person quite well, saying nothing about computer geeks.
There are independant companies that have access to the source code actually. And it's unlikely that they will be able to easily prevent them. This is not a matter of source availability. Rootkits plauge Linux as well, and the source being available has not made them go away.
The availablitiy of the source code has nothing to do with it. Joe Beerbelly is not going to be looking at the source code of his operating system. You'd be lucky if he understands that a thing called an operating system exists and has something called source code associated with it.
If your solution is to fix it yourself, you've already lost. It needs to be fixed by the *official* software vendor so that the changes can be pushed automatically to all the Beerbellies and Flabbyasses out there.
And besides, even for those who can understand the source code, it's not like the changes required are simple. If you DO manage to understand the system enough to make some usefull changes, a vendor will not just blindly accept them. They will themselves have to review the changes and completely understand them anyways. So why not do it themselves the first time? And to the person spending all that time doing the vendors work for them, do you not have a life or a job or something?
On the Mac every program in inheirently MDI. Having all menus on the top and having the tool windows dissapear when an application is not the active one makes MDI work nicely.
The problem with GIMP is precisely that there IS no unified menu, and that the tool windows are hard to manage and get in the way or get lost, unlike on the Mac. Make Gimp work like photoshop on mac, and you will have a winning interface.
Well, considering 4,000,000 x 5 = 20,000,000, it would by quite the coincidence if they meant it any other way. Especially with the "either or" type wording.
But hey, whatever, us arguing about it won't make the studios try the non-block buster route.
Except for the fact that the investment in BOTH cases is 20 million. Either 20 millino on one game, or 4 million on each of five games.
Mach is indeed a kernel by itself. It is a microkernel. The definition of a kernel is NOT to provide all UNIX services.
It's true that the freebsd services run in kernel space though. Also as I understand it, the services are not exclusivly from FreeBSD anyways. They were originally from NetBSD I think, then later had most/some of the NetBSD mixed or replaced with FreeBSD code. So it truly is niether FreeBSD, nor NetBSD. It is Mach with some BSD based kernel services running in kernel space.
NT uses the same model by the way. It it a microkernel with other services running in kernel space.
You can ignore it. I'm tired of hearing Linux diatrib. I ignore that.
There is a BIG difference between the US haveing some controlling interest as in the UN and having ALL control. Please get a reality check.
Besides, if history teaches you anything, it's that empires fall. We should be VERY worried about the current insanity in the US.
Other countries don't have nearly as much control over things as the US does. China would not get far trying to get some sort of censorship implemented in the UN for instance. In my country China has no influence over our laws. On the other hand, the US has immense influence and continually tries to bully my country into implementing US style laws and policies. To me, the US is the immediate threat to freedom.
I seem to remember an article about the US not relenquishing control of the root DNS servers to an international body of some sort.
I seem to remember a large number of US citizens saying things like, "the US has never abused it's power (over domain names)", "the US would not impose its views on other countries by interferring with the domain names", and so on.
Some of us who posted that we didn't want the US to have controll over the domain names because we didn't trust the US administration got flamed to a crisp.
Well. This is exactly the kind of tampering that we didn't want. Top level domains should be controlled by an international group that does not let one country impose its views on the rest. I hope people now see why some of us want this.
RMS's philosophy is clear. However, the fact that some people see it as some moral bible of software does *not* in fact make it such.
People are entitled to their opinion. Some people don't think open source software is the way to go at all. Some thing the BSD license is a better way to go than the GPL.
Since you have no more proof that the GPL is better than proprietary or BSD code, than supporters of those philiosphies, I don't see how you feel you can get off talking about 'lecturing' others.
I do agree that Darl and Jeremy are idiots though. And Jeff seems a sleazy considering that he tried to steal stuff from Novell, but wanting a BSD license kernel is NOT wrong in any way. Of course, it would be much better just to extend an existing BSD kernel of course and leave the GPL people to their vices.
Not according to 90% of the GPL supporters here, but I'm glad you see that.
If people don't want to give up their freedoms to proprietary software, they can simply choose to use open software. The GPL does nothing to protect this choice.
What it does do is try to entice programmers into being forced to write GPL code and hence support the philosophy. This is fine, but it is not protection, but rather advocation and leverage. It
If the choice is free with ads, or pay without ads, yes I'd pay. But that is not the choice. Planetside has had no ads. Now it has ads. The price did not go down. Many ads are simple greed.
If I could pay a couple dollars extra at the theater to skip ads. I would.
Same goes for games. I DO NOT WANT ADS IN MY LIFE. Clear?
I just fucking dont want anyone to restrict people access to my own code.
But modifying your code or adding to it and relicensing it does not restrict any freedoms to your code, the code you released. You are attempting to impose your will on others. Which is fine, but that is what you are doing. Your code is not free. People have to share their modifications in return for using it in their application. That is a form of payment. Sorry.
If their only way to "make money" is to restrict the access and the freedoms of the code, they can write their shit from scratch.
Code does not have freedom. Code is. Just like a log does not have freedom.
The GPL restircts the freedoms of people who use it. Not as much as other licenses, but none the less it does.
The GPL ultimately talks to the selfish in us. Remember, a BSD project can be relicensed as any other license. So in fact more people are likely to use your code since they can relicense their changed version under whatever license they want.
There is no way whatsoever that licensing under the BSD is worse than the GPL, unless of course the real reason you want to give away code is not to help others, but rather to benifit yourself.
How do you benifit yourself? You force others to put changed under YOUR license of choice. This means you get access to their changes whether they want to be nice or not, and it may also push your political agenda by forcing people to use your particular philosophy bound license.
Then, there is always the spitefullness aspect of the GPL. "If *I* can't make money off the code, you sure as hell won't either!"
So what is your motive? Greed, Power, or Spitefullness?
Speak for yourself.
I don't have cable tv because of ads.
I don't listen to the radio because of ads.
I go to movies, if I go at all, 20 minutes late to skip the ads.
I will not buy games with ads.
I aggressively filter my internet.
I hate ads and do not want them to be a part of my life, at all.
I totally agree with you, but seriously doubt we'll ever see the greedy content producers figure this out. According to their *projections*, selling at a high price to a few people is more profitable than selling at a low price to lots of people. :(
I can't think of anything off the top of my head as GUI's are not my area of research. I have come across many a failed GUI though, which is why I asked if you'd done a good background check.
It not entirely clear from your description what your goals are, but it sounds maybe something like the GCG web interface (Wisconson Package). That program is not open source, and I think EMBOSS is essentially an open source versoin of the GCG command line programs. A quick search reveals at least a few projects attempting to put a front end on EMBOSS.
Also, I remember an old project at sourceforge that was attempting to do a bioinformatics workspace type GUI. I forget the name now, and it probably died as that was many years ago.
At any rate, good luck with your project. GUIs are fickle things. It's difficult to hit the nail on the head (probably because there are so many different types of nails!).
Did you do a literature search? There are many such applications that already exist, or are in development. It would be wise look up existing solutions so that you don't unintentially repeat the same mistakes.
I wish we had that here in Canada. In addition to getting an ass raping on your insurance, you can also get points on your license. Enough points and you get your license suspended.
Approximately 50% of your population agreed with those artists. There was no time to gauge if 'people stopped listening to the stations' as they were pulled immediately.
The US snubs the world court because, among other things, they were accused of international terrorism. The US has done many despicible things. They brought mass murdering dictators such as Pol-pot, Saddam, even Osama bin Laden, into power. You may not know these things because they are not talked about in your media. But read some of Chomsky's documents. He is a US academic that looks into the truth of these things.
High horse is a common modern statement meaning 'stop thinking that you are all powerfull'. I'm glad you read up on its origins, but that has nothing to do with modern reality. Sorry.