I worked for a time at the 'Center for Instructional Technology' at UNC-Chapel Hill (as a student consultant) - this same program was instituted in 1999. Since, then at least 5+ public universities have instituted similiar programs. Another example of PR departments run amok... Unbelievable
"What platform are you running on? If your answer is Windoze, well, you have your problem identified."
Bull pucky... I see these problems on a much larger scale than mentioned in the parent post across every platform I have run FFox - OS X, Windows, Linux...
Great, another wireless standard whose lack of *nix Driver support will undoubtedly make my machine act all twitchy...
How about out-of-the-box *nix support that doesn't involve me devoting my spare time, work hours and waking moments getting it to run, or run as it should...
Ran with NDISWrapper for a long time on my laptop, gave up after my last upgrade when Ubuntu dicked me. Now I've just got this really long, really sad cat5 cable that follows me around the house... My dog thinks it's his pal...
Just what I need, another extension to improve my browsing experience; I would prefer quicker page loads, someone to plug the freakin' memory leak and for FireFox to either:
- run (without issue) for > 12 hours without requiring a restart
*OR*
-load more than whatever the magic number of pages that causes FireFox to crap on my relatively zippy machine
I love the 'Fox too, but the bitch has been testing my patience as of late. As for this rather unrevolutionary extension - I wouldn't install it on your machine...
While I'm no fan of the M$ machine, I think you are doing at least 2 really dumb things:
1.it sounds like you are evaluating a piece of software solely on a screenshot
2.it's the first public beta you are looking at - at least a year ( by my guess ) from production.
You give me a full year to work on anything - I'll have a monkey speaking Japanese.
"it's the app taking advantage of available memory"
Bingo, and that folks is why we don't let "web architects" design software - if we did, my text editor would be flash enabled and my web browser would be giving me a reach-around azs I type.
But you are right - no, I do not have any empirical evidence that there are resource leaks in Firefox - it could be the Flash plugin... it could be java and/or javascript...
And no, I haven't built from source and profiled it - I have plenty of neglected code of my own that needs this kind of tlc.
What I do know: -when Firefox starts, it occupies ~ 14MB memory, spwans a reasonable # of threads and user objects -I surf around for a bit, system resources(RAM/Threads) increase, but not alarmingly -I begin to open new windows, new tabs and in 2 or 3 hours the amount of RAM/# of threads used by Firefox has increased dramatically -upon closing the afore mentioned windows and tabs, the usage stats remain alarmingly high and the majority stay resident until firefox is shutdown -in a couple more hours, just getting a un-minimizing a browser window is preceeded by a hang - soon after, either I restart Firefox or Firefox restarts itself.
Maybe it's as simple as doing without the shady midget-porn websites, but I don't think so, I know a dog when I see one.
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Please - take the gloves off just because it's an OSS project. My personal experiences with the fox have been rapidly going downhill. I have it running on three machines right now, it's eating up 56MB, 98MB and 100+MB of system memory on each of the machines. I was hoping that they would have the resource leaks fixed in the upcoming release, but if I have to wait much longer - I am jumping ship.
The lack of progress made since 1.0 is really dissapointing. It seems like they put everything they had into getting that release out (apparently a little hastily as my frequent crap-outs attest to) and they don't have much left.
Oh - and don't give me that song and dance about how it's some rogue plugin causing all my headaches - two are fresh installs and the one topping out at 100MB is stripped down to just the Google toolbar plugin.
Maybe the delay will give them time to get this release right...
Yes - there was a recent study that concluded that TV shows are heavily traded on P2P networks (also concluded that Limey's jones for 24 episodes), but the regulation providing for this "Broadcast Flag" was passed in November of 2003. It just took some time ( and urgency of it's adoption ) for the EFF ( and other like-minded associations ) to mount a legal challenge. At least it doesn't look like I will need to stock up on flag-less components, at least for the time being - I am sure one of Hollywood's in-pocket Congressmen will be quick to try and push a bill through with the same provisions.
Correct - this isn't a fault of the app - but is a fault of the browser - if Safari had gone with Gecko, this ( and the numerous previously mentioned incompatibilities ) wouldn't be an issue. Granted, hindsight is 20/20, I didn't think that mozilla would have the traction it does now... Personally, I still get pissy when CapitalOne says that Firefox is not a secure "trusted" platform to log into my account with.
That I will be alotted an absolutely reasonable and appropriate amount of time to actually to complete a project. I have a dream that my ptototypes will not be scattered around the country in various states of "production". I have a dream that I will someday be able to look at a project in CVS and proclaim - that is the damn freaking good code - I am proud that my name is on this application ( and mean it ).
I have learned to live with disapointment this long - back to the next fire...
Gee - that was "insightful". It kinda sounds like your talking out of your @ss as well. From what little I can find about the patent (most articles are biz chronicle snippets) - he's closer to the truth.
"Streaming audio is not worth burning up a CPU (not meant literally) or hardware nearby (this part is meant literally, as many a harddrive has died due to CPU heat)."
Yeah - I had to stop using my CPU to steam shrimp because it got in the way of using my hard drive to crack walnuts. If you risk hardware damage by running any software then you need to either quit duct taping your own machines together or stop mounting your harddrive to your heatsink - dude - apperently, you need to get a Dell.
Rating this dribble as flamebait is an insult to all the great flamebait out there.
"Those of you that have seen the CD-tray exploit or have been lastmeasured are familiar with the results of allowing javascript."
The simple fact that you do not grasp the difference between Java and Javascript hints at just how much of a jerk@ss you really are.
"My assertion is that this codec, ingenious as it may be, is worthless. Breaking security, risking hardware damage, and simply bogging down a machine are not acceptable just to be able to view streaming content."
Decoding compressed video regardless of whether or not it is streamed eats up more CPU time then most other types of operations on the majority of machines out there. The fact that it is streaming has little effect on your CPU load - it results in higher network traffic. Maybe your network card is the gremlin causing your alleged meltdowns...
If it's the chance for extra-terrestrial life your after, the many moons of Jupiter are our best best. For example, Europa is thought to be quite seismically active and possibly sports an oxygen based atmosphere. Io and Ganymede might harbor E.T.'s as well.
I remember getting a distinct feeling of schadenfreude (Germans have a word for everything) when SCO(Caldera) purchased DrDos from Novell in 1996 only so they could revive an old patent dispute with Microsoft and sue for $$$. In reality, this is just latest atrocity perpetrated by these jack@sses on the community at large.
Personally, I would rather get robbed at gunpoint, then fork over any of my companies' hard-earned cash for these trumped up infringments. If folks start getting complacent as SCO pulls this crap, they will profit, others will follow their example. It almost pisses me off as much as the patent lottery that is currently going on.
No one is forcing you to listen... Free speech doesn't really obey property lines, nor is your mis-guided theory a tenet of libertarianism. Most of all, libertarians don't say when or where free-speach is allowed. This spam is my spam, this spam is your spam...
I don't enjoy starting my Sat's off turning down offers for whatever it is these jerk@sses are peddling either, but is there any need for a piece of federal legislation restricting this practice???
First off, this law will effectively destroy an entire industry which does produce quite a bit of revenue and provides employment to many americans.
More importantly, does the government have any real business legislating yet another means of which to curb the pursuits of commerce. Every time a topic galvanizes the public, the politicians rally bekhind the flavor of the month, and a new law restricting our freedoms is passed. Once this privilge is outlawed, the feds will never give it back; IT'S GONE. I half expect to be goose stepping to work within a decade.
Math ended up being my sixth major - so after being one month away from an English Lit degree, I had to re-learn all of the basics, I had my mom track down all my old texts, but one of the best flat-out ref's were the series put out by Cliff's, yes as in Cliff's notes. The books are about 300 pgs long and cover Euclidean Geomotry, Calculus, Advanced Calculus, Algebra etc... and are pretty good. Good luck.
Kind of sounding off late - I have been in on vacation across the pond for a week and a half, so i just caught this poking around 'older stuff'. So I will sound off, and be done with it. I work for a company that develops open source software on platforms that are friendly to this type of endeavor (Solaris, Linux...). We have built a line of products that commodotize equally incompatible hardware and software solutions that serve a traditionally closed-source industry. The standard we have developed in conjunction TW/AOL is as open as our software ( no fooling - source is freely availible ). Our angle, we sell the software/hardware solutions we produce at cost and have developed our biz strategy around a service model. So far, the $$$ have beaten out our most liberal projections.The author of the ZDNet article is just sticking to safe ground, or gunning for a job in Redmond ( I would imagine in PR) - there is more than one business model out there.
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I worked for a time at the 'Center for Instructional Technology' at UNC-Chapel Hill (as a student consultant) - this same program was instituted in 1999. Since, then at least 5+ public universities have instituted similiar programs. Another example of PR departments run amok ... Unbelievable
"What platform are you running on? If your answer is Windoze, well, you have your problem identified."
... I see these problems on a much larger scale than mentioned in the parent post across every platform I have run FFox - OS X, Windows, Linux ...
Bull pucky
The only stats impacting my life are the % of CPU and Physical Memory the latest FireFox release is hogging/whoring on my system ...
Great, another wireless standard whose lack of *nix Driver support will undoubtedly make my machine act all twitchy ...
...
...
How about out-of-the-box *nix support that doesn't involve me devoting my spare time, work hours and waking moments getting it to run, or run as it should
Ran with NDISWrapper for a long time on my laptop, gave up after my last upgrade when Ubuntu dicked me. Now I've just got this really long, really sad cat5 cable that follows me around the house... My dog thinks it's his pal
Just what I need, another extension to improve my browsing experience; I would prefer quicker page loads, someone to plug the freakin' memory leak and for FireFox to either:
...
- run (without issue) for > 12 hours without requiring a restart
*OR*
-load more than whatever the magic number of pages that causes FireFox to crap on my relatively zippy machine
I love the 'Fox too, but the bitch has been testing my patience as of late. As for this rather unrevolutionary extension - I wouldn't install it on your machine
While I'm no fan of the M$ machine, I think you are doing at least 2 really dumb things: 1.it sounds like you are evaluating a piece of software solely on a screenshot 2.it's the first public beta you are looking at - at least a year ( by my guess ) from production. You give me a full year to work on anything - I'll have a monkey speaking Japanese.
There is some tweaking you can do in the preferences - it did nothing for my problem ...
http://www.cs.ust.hk/~yalding/blog/2005/03/firefox -memory-leak.html
"it's the app taking advantage of available memory"
... ...
Bingo, and that folks is why we don't let "web architects" design software - if we did, my text editor would be flash enabled and my web browser would be giving me a reach-around azs I type.
But you are right - no, I do not have any empirical evidence that there are resource leaks in Firefox -
it could be the Flash plugin
it could be java and/or javascript
And no, I haven't built from source and profiled it - I have plenty of neglected code of my own that needs this kind of tlc.
What I do know:
-when Firefox starts, it occupies ~ 14MB memory, spwans a reasonable # of threads and user objects
-I surf around for a bit, system resources(RAM/Threads) increase, but not alarmingly
-I begin to open new windows, new tabs and in 2 or 3 hours the amount of RAM/# of threads used by Firefox has increased dramatically
-upon closing the afore mentioned windows and tabs, the usage stats remain alarmingly high and the majority stay resident until firefox is shutdown
-in a couple more hours, just getting a un-minimizing a browser window is preceeded by a hang - soon after, either I restart Firefox or Firefox restarts itself.
Maybe it's as simple as doing without the shady midget-porn websites, but I don't think so, I know a dog when I see one.
Please - take the gloves off just because it's an OSS project. My personal experiences with the fox have been rapidly going downhill. I have it running on three machines right now, it's eating up 56MB, 98MB and 100+MB of system memory on each of the machines. I was hoping that they would have the resource leaks fixed in the upcoming release, but if I have to wait much longer - I am jumping ship.
...
The lack of progress made since 1.0 is really dissapointing. It seems like they put everything they had into getting that release out (apparently a little hastily as my frequent crap-outs attest to) and they don't have much left.
Oh - and don't give me that song and dance about how it's some rogue plugin causing all my headaches - two are fresh installs and the one topping out at 100MB is stripped down to just the Google toolbar plugin.
Maybe the delay will give them time to get this release right
Yes - there was a recent study that concluded that TV shows are heavily traded on P2P networks (also concluded that Limey's jones for 24 episodes), but the regulation providing for this "Broadcast Flag" was passed in November of 2003. It just took some time ( and urgency of it's adoption ) for the EFF ( and other like-minded associations ) to mount a legal challenge. At least it doesn't look like I will need to stock up on flag-less components, at least for the time being - I am sure one of Hollywood's in-pocket Congressmen will be quick to try and push a bill through with the same provisions.
Correct - this isn't a fault of the app - but is a fault of the browser - if Safari had gone with Gecko, this ( and the numerous previously mentioned incompatibilities ) wouldn't be an issue. Granted, hindsight is 20/20, I didn't think that mozilla would have the traction it does now ... Personally, I still get pissy when CapitalOne says that Firefox is not a secure "trusted" platform to log into my account with.
That I will be alotted an absolutely reasonable and appropriate amount of time to actually to complete a project. I have a dream that my ptototypes will not be scattered around the country in various states of "production". I have a dream that I will someday be able to look at a project in CVS and proclaim - that is the damn freaking good code - I am proud that my name is on this application ( and mean it ).
...
I have learned to live with disapointment this long - back to the next fire
Gee - that was "insightful". It kinda sounds like your talking out of your @ss as well. From what little I can find about the patent (most articles are biz chronicle snippets) - he's closer to the truth.
...
MOD points are coming cheap these days
"Streaming audio is not worth burning up a CPU (not meant literally) or hardware nearby (this part is meant literally, as many a harddrive has died due to CPU heat)."
...
Yeah - I had to stop using my CPU to steam shrimp because it got in the way of using my hard drive to crack walnuts. If you risk hardware damage by running any software then you need to either quit duct taping your own machines together or stop mounting your harddrive to your heatsink - dude - apperently, you need to get a Dell.
Rating this dribble as flamebait is an insult to all the great flamebait out there.
"Those of you that have seen the CD-tray exploit or have been lastmeasured are familiar with the results of allowing javascript."
The simple fact that you do not grasp the difference between Java and Javascript hints at just how much of a jerk@ss you really are.
"My assertion is that this codec, ingenious as it may be, is worthless. Breaking security, risking hardware damage, and simply bogging down a machine are not acceptable just to be able to view streaming content."
Decoding compressed video regardless of whether or not it is streamed eats up more CPU time then most other types of operations on the majority of machines out there. The fact that it is streaming has little effect on your CPU load - it results in higher network traffic. Maybe your network card is the gremlin causing your alleged meltdowns
wtf are "long, live formats". Speak any english ?
If it's the chance for extra-terrestrial life your after, the many moons of Jupiter are our best best. For example, Europa is thought to be quite seismically active and possibly sports an oxygen based atmosphere. Io and Ganymede might harbor E.T.'s as well.
I remember getting a distinct feeling of schadenfreude (Germans have a word for everything) when SCO(Caldera) purchased DrDos from Novell in 1996 only so they could revive an old patent dispute with Microsoft and sue for $$$. In reality, this is just latest atrocity perpetrated by these jack@sses on the community at large.
Personally, I would rather get robbed at gunpoint, then fork over any of my companies' hard-earned cash for these trumped up infringments. If folks start getting complacent as SCO pulls this crap, they will profit, others will follow their example. It almost pisses me off as much as the patent lottery that is currently going on.
No one is forcing you to listen ... Free speech doesn't really obey property lines, nor is your mis-guided theory a tenet of libertarianism. Most of all, libertarians don't say when or where free-speach is allowed. This spam is my spam, this spam is your spam ...
I don't enjoy starting my Sat's off turning down offers for whatever it is these jerk@sses are peddling either, but is there any need for a piece of federal legislation restricting this practice???
First off, this law will effectively destroy an entire industry which does produce quite a bit of revenue and provides employment to many americans.
More importantly, does the government have any real business legislating yet another means of which to curb the pursuits of commerce. Every time a topic galvanizes the public, the politicians rally bekhind the flavor of the month, and a new law restricting our freedoms is passed. Once this privilge is outlawed, the feds will never give it back; IT'S GONE. I half expect to be goose stepping to work within a decade.
Math ended up being my sixth major - so after being one month away from an English Lit degree, I had to re-learn all of the basics, I had my mom track down all my old texts, but one of the best flat-out ref's were the series put out by Cliff's, yes as in Cliff's notes. The books are about 300 pgs long and cover Euclidean Geomotry, Calculus, Advanced Calculus, Algebra etc... and are pretty good. Good luck.
Kind of sounding off late - I have been in on vacation across the pond for a week and a half, so i just caught this poking around 'older stuff'. So I will sound off, and be done with it. I work for a company that develops open source software on platforms that are friendly to this type of endeavor (Solaris, Linux ...). We have built a line of products that commodotize equally incompatible hardware and software solutions that serve a traditionally closed-source industry. The standard we have developed in conjunction TW/AOL is as open as our software ( no fooling - source is freely availible ). Our angle, we sell the software/hardware solutions we produce at cost and have developed our biz strategy around a service model. So far, the $$$ have beaten out our most liberal projections.The author of the ZDNet article is just sticking to safe ground, or gunning for a job in Redmond ( I would imagine in PR) - there is more than one business model out there.