-> debian for the important server (file, web, auth)
-> fedora on all other (workstation, little server)
Fedora is enought for me, I'm just afraid about it's stability (in both term of life-time and uptime)
Free people dont want ( or need ) government intervention...
free people don' need roads, hospitals or schools. Free people are enough rich to pay for that, and don't have to pay for people not enough rich to be "free", hey ?
I don't agree with a gouvernment regulation for software. Not because I'm a rich anarchist, but just because free softwares are already what a social thinking would ask for : software reachable and usable by all.
just note you can write very well formated code in perl. Really. It just give you the liberty to write oscured code, but you have the choice.
and at least, you can write *short* code that is well formated too - unlike programing languages like java who force you to write long code - but long doesn't mean "clean"...
I hate to say it, but someone coming from Fedora is still not a user - they're a Red Hat user,
I hate to say this, but Debian users are not users, they are Debian users ! Hey, I don't "comes from Redhat". I use Solaris, Redhat, Windows, freeBSD and unfortunatelly sometimes MacOSX. So, I'm not a user, I am a solaris-redhat-windows-freebsd-mac user ? I can't understand your definitions. Maybe you should use the same definitions as you find them in dictionary, because else it were difficult to communicate.
If you don't expect anything of Debian,
I *expect* something from an operating system. I expect it will help me to manage a lot of stuff I don't want to manage myself. If I install nfs, I expect it will work, and if the mount list oddly display thousand of unmounted directories, I don't want to pass the whole day to understand why the mount list is not cleaned. If I remove a package I expect the whole system will not becomes unusable for some mysterious reasons.
Amazing. A former Fedora user
Amazing. A former Debian user...
don't play this stupid games, please.
they're avoiding software because they're lazy.
You got one point : I'm lazy. I have a limited time in one day, and I choose the system that works. (I know, "no system works blablabla", but I think we don't live on the same planet).
What you want is a system that "just works" for you.
Right again ! And I found a lot of such systems. Windows is one. Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, Mac-OSX are also enought for me to.
You love OSs which need days or weeks to learn how they work ? Fine. I personnaly don't like to spare my time in configuration problems. I want to **use** it, not to configure it. You understand the difference ?
Don't defend Debian like that. It's certainly a good system, it will not exist else.
I know my english is really poor, but I hope you understand what I want to say here. I don't attack Debian (really) but can't agree whith your vision of "user-friendly". As sysadmin, I found OSs that do the jobs I want and don't require I read pages and pages of documentation to be able to understand what are this curious side-effect on the system.
Just ask why some people choose Windows or MacOSX and not linux for their home computer - even by skilled unix people. If you can't understand why, you will never understand what I try to say here.
Note: Don't reply to this if you just want to defend Red Hat/Fedora. Fedora's a good distribution, and it aims to be a lot like Debian.
You are a little bit immature - or embittered defending Debian. I'm neither a member of the Fedora fan-club, nor a Debian ennemy.
Two weeks ago I tried to switch a server to Debian due to the arguments of two Debian fanatics friends (ok, to be honnest I tried Debian because Fedora kernel crash on all my SMP systems, but that's another story). I took two days to do that. I don't want to describe all technical problems I had, but this morning, seeing that the system was not usable (apt-get don't work anymore and login take 30 minutes to let me in, I never had such trouble with a unix system), I re-install Fedora on it. It takes exactly 45 minutes and all work perfectly.
Debian IS NOT user friendly. Or maybe it is if you have only debian systems and if you are ready to lose your stability if you don't follow the Debian Way to configure something, I don't know.
Guys, a system is user-friendly if it help you. Debian really don't help me. A system that install itself without problem and *just work* is friendly.
there *is* a full backward compatibility : Parrot will run your Perl5 code. And if you don't want to run old perl5 code, there will be a script to convert your code.
and you don't have to care about migration for now - not until the next two years. Perl6 is not ready.
the "lunatics", as you said, seem to be very serious and competant...
Freesoftware isn't under corporate control. Microsoft software is.
Nobody can demiss the right to anybody to use free software, but Microsoft can control it sales. I guess it's two very different thinks to let a country develop a repressive politic or to sell them software that help them to do it - and make profit with it.
A programmer who chose Java to implement serious projects is probably not a serious programmer.
I don't want a search engine thaht use 80% of my CPU/RAM.
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most of your comment show your lack of knowledge for both PHP and Perl, and
You should not post if you don't know anything about what you speak. Sorry for trolling, but there is a lot of errors in your post.
Please learn more about web programming before posting such messages. I'm shoked to read such messages on Slashdot.
If the base is GPL, all futher developpements are GPL.
what they can do is: - re-write Gnomemeeting from scratch, and it will not be Gnomemeeting anymore - keep the main dev tree, but write some modules in closed source. But so the Gnomemeeting core will still GPL.
What i'm doing here is to store my datas on a 2.5 tb IDE raid-5 with a spare disk, so i can change disks when crash appens. But I must not keep the data for a long time. It can be a good idea if you keep your system up 24/24, but it seems that's not the case for you.
Sorry for my poor english but I must respond to the insanity I read here.
First : There is *no* law that forbid any ads in all media. Ads in newspaper is allowed. TV ads is forbidden - no to restrained the free speech, but to disallow a rich group to make enough noise so that all other cannot explain their ideas.
Second : for all respons to this message, to people speaking about swiss and nazism : You have no idea of what you speking. Anyway, this/. article try to discuss about a structural problem about the US political system. Somebody respond with a (good or bad) structural alternativ. Your hates against switzerland are off-topic. Should I critic the daily international US politic ? No, this off-topic.
Third : the problem is not limited to a free-speaking problem. The problem comes from the fact that some peoples have enough money to make enough noise to shut down all other speak. All democratics systems have the some problem. Switzerland has no magic solution. But in any case, copiing a little part of the swiss system will not implies thaht you will act exactly like swiss people... some comments here are stupids and very poored documented.
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-> debian for the important server (file, web, auth) -> fedora on all other (workstation, little server) Fedora is enought for me, I'm just afraid about it's stability (in both term of life-time and uptime)
free people don' need roads, hospitals or schools. Free people are enough rich to pay for that, and don't have to pay for people not enough rich to be "free", hey ?
I don't agree with a gouvernment regulation for software. Not because I'm a rich anarchist, but just because free softwares are already what a social thinking would ask for : software reachable and usable by all.
and at least, you can write *short* code that is well formated too - unlike programing languages like java who force you to write long code - but long doesn't mean "clean"...
there is no more telecom monopoly here since 7 or 8 years...
Thing is it's been possible to buy totally anonymous GSM cards here for ages (8 years or so)
that's no more the case since years (but I can't say since when exactly, not so long, maybe 3 years ago).
Note that other countries offer pre-paid cards, the only difference is that you have to send an anonymous people bought it for you :)
I hate to say this, but Debian users are not users, they are Debian users ! Hey, I don't "comes from Redhat". I use Solaris, Redhat, Windows, freeBSD and unfortunatelly sometimes MacOSX. So, I'm not a user, I am a solaris-redhat-windows-freebsd-mac user ? I can't understand your definitions. Maybe you should use the same definitions as you find them in dictionary, because else it were difficult to communicate.
If you don't expect anything of Debian,
I *expect* something from an operating system. I expect it will help me to manage a lot of stuff I don't want to manage myself. If I install nfs, I expect it will work, and if the mount list oddly display thousand of unmounted directories, I don't want to pass the whole day to understand why the mount list is not cleaned. If I remove a package I expect the whole system will not becomes unusable for some mysterious reasons.
Amazing. A former Fedora user
Amazing. A former Debian user...
don't play this stupid games, please.
they're avoiding software because they're lazy.
You got one point : I'm lazy. I have a limited time in one day, and I choose the system that works. (I know, "no system works blablabla", but I think we don't live on the same planet).
What you want is a system that "just works" for you.
Right again ! And I found a lot of such systems. Windows is one. Redhat, Mandrake, Suse, Mac-OSX are also enought for me to. You love OSs which need days or weeks to learn how they work ? Fine. I personnaly don't like to spare my time in configuration problems. I want to **use** it, not to configure it. You understand the difference ?
Don't defend Debian like that. It's certainly a good system, it will not exist else.
I know my english is really poor, but I hope you understand what I want to say here. I don't attack Debian (really) but can't agree whith your vision of "user-friendly". As sysadmin, I found OSs that do the jobs I want and don't require I read pages and pages of documentation to be able to understand what are this curious side-effect on the system.
Just ask why some people choose Windows or MacOSX and not linux for their home computer - even by skilled unix people. If you can't understand why, you will never understand what I try to say here.
Note: Don't reply to this if you just want to defend Red Hat/Fedora. Fedora's a good distribution, and it aims to be a lot like Debian.
You are a little bit immature - or embittered defending Debian. I'm neither a member of the Fedora fan-club, nor a Debian ennemy.
Debian IS NOT user friendly. Or maybe it is if you have only debian systems and if you are ready to lose your stability if you don't follow the Debian Way to configure something, I don't know.
Guys, a system is user-friendly if it help you. Debian really don't help me. A system that install itself without problem and *just work* is friendly.
there *is* a full backward compatibility : Parrot will run your Perl5 code. And if you don't want to run old perl5 code, there will be a script to convert your code.
and you don't have to care about migration for now - not until the next two years. Perl6 is not ready.
the "lunatics", as you said, seem to be very serious and competant...
didn't guess some slashdot users could be so stupid.
We spoke here about enterprise relationships, not about your personnal problems or about what you said when ou where 4-year old.
lying is could be usefull in a very short-term view. If you don't care about losing your credibility, of course.
Nobody can demiss the right to anybody to use free software, but Microsoft can control it sales. I guess it's two very different thinks to let a country develop a repressive politic or to sell them software that help them to do it - and make profit with it.
Fedora is easy to maintain/patch, with yum and apt-get.
Debian is a good distrib, but please stop this fanatism. Other than Debian could be viable solution.
I've heard the name will be "VisualSMTP.NET".
I don't want a search engine thaht use 80% of my CPU/RAM.
most of your comment show your lack of knowledge for both PHP and Perl, and You should not post if you don't know anything about what you speak. Sorry for trolling, but there is a lot of errors in your post. Please learn more about web programming before posting such messages. I'm shoked to read such messages on Slashdot.
If the base is GPL, all futher developpements are GPL.
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what they can do is
- re-write Gnomemeeting from scratch, and it will not be Gnomemeeting anymore
- keep the main dev tree, but write some modules in closed source. But so the Gnomemeeting core will still GPL.
So the title of this article is wrong.
disks time life is short.
What i'm doing here is to store my datas on a 2.5 tb IDE raid-5 with a spare disk, so i can change disks when crash appens. But I must not keep the data for a long time. It can be a good idea if you keep your system up 24/24, but it seems that's not the case for you.
a very, very good document, thaht answer to your question. And a funny story :)
First : There is *no* law that forbid any ads in all media. Ads in newspaper is allowed. TV ads is forbidden - no to restrained the free speech, but to disallow a rich group to make enough noise so that all other cannot explain their ideas.
Second : for all respons to this message, to people speaking about swiss and nazism : You have no idea of what you speking. Anyway, this /. article try to discuss about a structural problem about the US political system. Somebody respond with a (good or bad) structural alternativ. Your hates against switzerland are off-topic. Should I critic the daily international US politic ? No, this off-topic.
Third : the problem is not limited to a free-speaking problem. The problem comes from the fact that some peoples have enough money to make enough noise to shut down all other speak. All democratics systems have the some problem. Switzerland has no magic solution. But in any case, copiing a little part of the swiss system will not implies thaht you will act exactly like swiss people... some comments here are stupids and very poored documented.
a stupid theory. I'm curious to heard a valid argument.
This is a installtion problem, your post has nothing to do with the RedHaT Desktop Flamming War.
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