I agree, we don't automate live events at all and use good old fashioned fingers for that task. However, the playlist is autogenerated for the break and if there are more breaks then anticipated we simply roll the list over. Yeah, freebies are not the best in the world, but it's bad form to oversale an event.
Still, the point is, it would seem like much more work to chop up a show then to automate the playout with a multi-channel playout system.
I like the term moneyreel.... I'm going to start using that here now;)
Yes, the thread is old, but it's quite a good one.
You shouldn't even cut your show into chunks as that is just going to ad work to the beast. You want to worry about in's and out's and keep those on file. This can be done a couple different ways depending on how expensive you want to go. Embedded tones, automatic marking of black time, manual marking of ins and outs or simply rely on the format sheet. Unless you really want to get expensive someone is going to be checking the content anwyway and this function can be performed by them.
Whether you do multi output on a single box or use multiple systems the automation application simply has to activate your ad stream and send a control code to the switcher.
You could get by with a simple older hot punch to automate the switching via serial.
Note, the cheaper the solution the more painful it can get. (Lack of zero time inputs, down stream key and other frills)
Cheap TBCS make baby jesus cry:( (I have five sitting in storage I hate.)
I'm not familiar with novar, but dayparts shouldn't be tough. I say shouldn't because if they are... I wouldn't really want to use it. Autofill sounds a bit like everything would be a rotator which will definately not be the best bang for the buck. Some stations won't even sell them!
I wasn't aware of the one frame of black that would fix the artifacts. TY!
I still use mine today as it is really a nice signal and the onboard chip is/was just amazing. You can hack on external sync, RGB out, and a few other things I can't remember. It's in the archives somewhere with a nice summary by someone. However, it is not without caveats as sync would only work for so long before dropping out. The solution is of course to add a frame sync to the unit, but you have to watch for dropped frames. (Some good stuff elsewhere in this discussion post). Me, I use mine at the house and have an A/B auto switch in the mix so that the television cuts to the em830 on activation.
I'm going to be toying around with a stradis card soon, but it's bit of a pain as you have to get the original drivers from the manufacturer. The older ones are in the affordable range now, but not quite DXR3/Hollywood+ affordable.
Regarding automation...
Again, I see confusion here as to how the systems "can" work with regards to automation.
Playout/capture != Traffic management.
These can be two seperate systems with your playout hardware accepting an automation list from some other source. Yes, they need to communicate, but not so much as the two systems need to be integrated. Traffic needs to know what is on file. Automation needs to know what to play.
The traffic software isn't really so bad if you understand it all and once you do it can really leave you wondering "why is this a problem for them to implement." I'm going to sit down and hack out my own eventually. Granted, there are many gotchas and little things to worry about, but the base setup doesn't look to be that bad. (Gets a little crazy on paper sometimes, but I have my dream)
The problem of going back to tapes is not so much in the control part.
Most broadcast equipment has support for remote control. This ranges from decks, switchers to even satellite controllers. Some of it is bi-directional communication and some of it is simply sending a control code. You can wrestle control back fairly easily, but that is not where the problem lies.
If you switch to an automation setup for capturing feeds there may not even be tapes to go back to. It really depends on how they captured their feeds before and if that method still exists. Obviously, the main calling in automation is to save money.
Just to site an example (one I've said many times before).
A friend of mine was in a similar boat. Needed support contracts across the board for major software and licenses across the board for everything else. (ie, Winzip, office, etc).
Anyhow, so he picks up RedHat support and day one actually needs it.
Fairly quickly, the issue is resolved and they e-mail him a new binary and source for lilo to get his system to boot. (Newer chipset at the time). Later, the patch would be added back in and his update was included as a fix for an issue.
On the flip side, I did once have an issue with a IIS server and Compaq's Microsoft support division did a great job helping me through that. However, that was under a per incident cost, but it was good none the less.
In any event, I'm sure my friend has had some more stories to tell, but I always liked that one.
Me, support contracts would be nice on occassion, but generally I hammer the issue out all by myself.
At that level of systems it is fairly teady to log into a single system and in fact you really don't want to modify a single node.
Changes are generally rolled out to a cluster and through good design those are tested on a virtual cluster first.
So, if a single system fails to perform whatever checks are needed... it would be far easier to pull.
I'm not saying the connectivity doesn't exist or isn't plausible, but rather that it would be a bit of a waste in both time and resources. (Though resource wise we are speaking as very minor, but a waste none the less).
Think big, think how you would manage big and think about how you would maintain big.
Humanity has many more chances (infinite really) to destroy your faith in it!
I know the future seems glum now, but just wait a few more days and I promise it will be even worse.
Anyone who brings up that tired old argument that humanity has an equal number of chances to prove itself is just a silly troll and I won't hear it!
I know, I know, you are thinking, "But if humanity has a choice to prove itself wrong... there must be a postive choice!" To that I must offer a scenario. There is an extremely hot chick who you want to ask out for coffee or some other meaningless opportunity to delve into your senseless lives. You could say there are a number of ways to go about such an approach. However, no matter what method you choose, you will ultimately fail miserably. (Notice the parallel with humanity). There is a bit of light at the end of this dismal tunnel. If you would perhaps borrow a gun from a friend or store ( I mean... steal it) then you would have an excellent shot of achieving your goals. I should note, she probably won't be much of a conversationalist at gun point, but she probably didn't have much interesting to say anyway.
Me, I'm fairly picky when it comes to releasing details about anything online. I simply don't believe in posting information to a publicly available forum. I'm not speaking specifically about facebook, but the general web in itself. If I do share a story or something I think I do a fairly good job of keeping the details non-person specific regardless of the details.
Regarding facebook, I'm not even sure finer grained information controls are necessary.
To sum it up... this is a frying pan.... this is your information... this is your neighbor bob watching you cook breakfast and getting all the highlights on your life on his wide screen 21 foot plasma screen. Any questions?
This is all true unless a large number of the "community" is against you. Fairly quickly you can find yourself on the outside of the wall.
So here is what life has taught me, "Wikipedia hurts the underdog and there is Slittle you can do about it."
At least that is my experience with wiki-crap.
Me, I've given up on it and relegated it to the trash bin. For the longest time I didn't understand why so many people actually hated it, but then I started to realize there were issues.
My last effort to clean up some wiki entries specifically targeting my company were met with a roll back and a warning. (It's pretty much a joke at this point what is written there.) Look, the underlying issue happens to be this... if you are a minority voice in the community you will not be heard. It goes a step further and actually turns wikipedia into a mobilized war machine that can actually be used against you by the thousdan monkeys pushing from behind.
At least, those are my experiences...
Nope... not giving out the link... I don't need anymore headache.
It's also important to note there is no level cap.
Skills are constantly acquired and if you so choose you can begin in a new direction. Some new skills require previous skills at certain levels to acquire and thus begins a bit of a ladder.
It's a bit difficult choosing what you want to do, but the easiest path is to initially opt for a simpler fighter layout.
Eve is a great game, but with real time training there is no way to catch up to someone who started long before you. This doesn't mean as much as one might think, but rather requires a little more strategy when taking on a veteran opponent. A diverse and youthful skillset can be just as deadly as someone who has specialized very heavily.
I've never seen anyone scoff at the tools regardless of income.
In essence, people are different in many respects and it doesn't precisely matter how much pocket change they have. While I cannot speak for every individual that possess an overly moderate income, I can say that I have crossed paths with some wealthy individuals. (Oddly, I have managed to run into a few during online gaming that were quite well off. It's also not something that gets revealed on day one, but it's kinda odd to find out a year later you have become good friends with a trust fund babe.)
I've known people who have plenty and don't care for excessive expenditures. (I like those kind of people)
I've also known people who do have semi-nice toys and it's not that they don't understand the value, but rather it's not such a big deal if it breaks or ages.
However, to this day I have never met anyone who has so much unbelievable wealth or life style that they care not for meager possessions. I'm sure they are out there somewhere, but it all comes back to one of my friends best lines.
"They didn't get rich by wasting their money."
In case anyone is wondering... nope... sadly I am unfortunately not unbeilevable wealthy. Though just friday morning I acquired a second home even larger then my last! (The trick is to hang around the appliance stores when they get new shipments in. If you are lucky you can give the kids in the back a cigarette and they won't break down the refrigerator boxes.)
Attack the core of the issue instead of burning time for something that won't be entirely helpful to the people.
If you had planned on donating time to translating/writing content for the african language section then perhaps it would be better spent finding a way to help the people instead.
Maybe you want to do both? That is a very noble cause, but it is just that... noble. (Note, noble doesn't feed people, noble doesn't earn a pay check and noble isn't paying my rent. I hate this noble person already!)
I do hope people won't think me to be a troll because I don't feel it's a worthy cause to translate a wiki when there are greater needs. I'm quite sure I will get flamed for this and I'm still not going to post anonymous. (BTW, don't bother, I rarely check follow-ups)
I started noticing a few of the snakes/plane parodies, but I actually didn't see one that I felt was any good. For something that wasn't too terribly funny I did wonder why I was seeing the more then normal chatter.
In any event, I'm not passing around mass paranoia stories, but my gut reaction was this was fabricated crap. After the initial reaction... I moved on to other "funny" crap.
ESR is suggesting the open source movement concern itself with making sure GNU/Linux et al works out of the box, and if that means in the short term accepting some proprietary software, then that may be necessary.
If we do that, then the terrorists have already won.
As for those who do the reporting, I'd wager that anyone who spends years in an institution of higher learning so they can earn (yes, "earn") a degree in journalism has probably learned something during those years that the rest of us sitting on our couches didn't. I'd also wager that after graduating, most take up employment in an organisation that has a history and tradition that extends farther than recent memory. If you don't believe any of that counts for something, then I guess it's both fair and logical to assume you don't count for anything, either.
Welcome to the world of tomorrow where ideals have been beaten with a bloody claw hammer and your hopeful world really doesn't exist.
News reporting organizations don't exist for the common good of mankind in today's world as they have an agenda at hand. They exist to earn revenue or generate a larger audience. The latter form works on the basis of creating a ratings foot hold in order to bolster post and pre-ceeding programming.
Though after all has been said I wonder if you have actually worked in news/journalism. (I know I have!)
I was going to go after some other points, but really your post was just riddled with jabs and pokes at the previous poster. I'm not sure I've seen that many negative associations since last nights Fox broadcast. (Actually, I don't watch it, but I thought it was funny.)
In closing, I propose a new moderation tag be put in place after reading your recent post: eloquent troll.
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I agree, we don't automate live events at all and use good old fashioned fingers for that task. However, the playlist is autogenerated for the break and if there are more breaks then anticipated we simply roll the list over. Yeah, freebies are not the best in the world, but it's bad form to oversale an event.
;)
Still, the point is, it would seem like much more work to chop up a show then to automate the playout with a multi-channel playout system.
I like the term moneyreel.... I'm going to start using that here now
Yes, the thread is old, but it's quite a good one.
You shouldn't even cut your show into chunks as that is just going to ad work to the beast. You want to worry about in's and out's and keep those on file. This can be done a couple different ways depending on how expensive you want to go. Embedded tones, automatic marking of black time, manual marking of ins and outs or simply rely on the format sheet. Unless you really want to get expensive someone is going to be checking the content anwyway and this function can be performed by them.
:( (I have five sitting in storage I hate.)
Whether you do multi output on a single box or use multiple systems the automation application simply has to activate your ad stream and send a control code to the switcher.
You could get by with a simple older hot punch to automate the switching via serial.
Note, the cheaper the solution the more painful it can get. (Lack of zero time inputs, down stream key and other frills)
Cheap TBCS make baby jesus cry
I'm not familiar with novar, but dayparts shouldn't be tough. I say shouldn't because if they are... I wouldn't really want to use it. Autofill sounds a bit like everything would be a rotator which will definately not be the best bang for the buck. Some stations won't even sell them!
Ah!
I wasn't aware of the one frame of black that would fix the artifacts. TY!
I still use mine today as it is really a nice signal and the onboard chip is/was just amazing. You can hack on external sync, RGB out, and a few other things I can't remember. It's in the archives somewhere with a nice summary by someone. However, it is not without caveats as sync would only work for so long before dropping out. The solution is of course to add a frame sync to the unit, but you have to watch for dropped frames. (Some good stuff elsewhere in this discussion post). Me, I use mine at the house and have an A/B auto switch in the mix so that the television cuts to the em830 on activation.
I'm going to be toying around with a stradis card soon, but it's bit of a pain as you have to get the original drivers from the manufacturer. The older ones are in the affordable range now, but not quite DXR3/Hollywood+ affordable.
Regarding automation...
Again, I see confusion here as to how the systems "can" work with regards to automation.
Playout/capture != Traffic management.
These can be two seperate systems with your playout hardware accepting an automation list from some other source. Yes, they need to communicate, but not so much as the two systems need to be integrated. Traffic needs to know what is on file. Automation needs to know what to play.
The traffic software isn't really so bad if you understand it all and once you do it can really leave you wondering "why is this a problem for them to implement." I'm going to sit down and hack out my own eventually. Granted, there are many gotchas and little things to worry about, but the base setup doesn't look to be that bad. (Gets a little crazy on paper sometimes, but I have my dream)
The problem of going back to tapes is not so much in the control part.
Most broadcast equipment has support for remote control. This ranges from decks, switchers to even satellite controllers. Some of it is bi-directional communication and some of it is simply sending a control code. You can wrestle control back fairly easily, but that is not where the problem lies.
If you switch to an automation setup for capturing feeds there may not even be tapes to go back to. It really depends on how they captured their feeds before and if that method still exists. Obviously, the main calling in automation is to save money.
As far as setting up MythTV versus television...
I'm still debating that one.
We are all thinking...
;)
Maybe he is running XBMC...
Regarding the RedHat support...
Just to site an example (one I've said many times before).
A friend of mine was in a similar boat. Needed support contracts across the board for major software and licenses across the board for everything else. (ie, Winzip, office, etc).
Anyhow, so he picks up RedHat support and day one actually needs it.
Fairly quickly, the issue is resolved and they e-mail him a new binary and source for lilo to get his system to boot. (Newer chipset at the time). Later, the patch would be added back in and his update was included as a fix for an issue.
On the flip side, I did once have an issue with a IIS server and Compaq's Microsoft support division did a great job helping me through that. However, that was under a per incident cost, but it was good none the less.
In any event, I'm sure my friend has had some more stories to tell, but I always liked that one.
Me, support contracts would be nice on occassion, but generally I hammer the issue out all by myself.
Indeed...
Until Microsoft unleashes a torrent of pain upon your system...
Ah yes, the unspoken one known only as WGA!
The tormenter of souls has come and he knowns no end!
Seriously, that drove me crazy when it was installed and I was so pleased when they finally removed it.
Don't worry... the microsoft gnomes will bring you an even better treat in the future.... I guran'tee it.
Or at least drop prices :)
It's a feature, not a bug!
At that level of systems it is fairly teady to log into a single system and in fact you really don't want to modify a single node.
Changes are generally rolled out to a cluster and through good design those are tested on a virtual cluster first.
So, if a single system fails to perform whatever checks are needed... it would be far easier to pull.
I'm not saying the connectivity doesn't exist or isn't plausible, but rather that it would be a bit of a waste in both time and resources. (Though resource wise we are speaking as very minor, but a waste none the less).
Think big, think how you would manage big and think about how you would maintain big.
Don't worry!
Humanity has many more chances (infinite really) to destroy your faith in it!
I know the future seems glum now, but just wait a few more days and I promise it will be even worse.
Anyone who brings up that tired old argument that humanity has an equal number of chances to prove itself is just a silly troll and I won't hear it!
I know, I know, you are thinking, "But if humanity has a choice to prove itself wrong... there must be a postive choice!" To that I must offer a scenario. There is an extremely hot chick who you want to ask out for coffee or some other meaningless opportunity to delve into your senseless lives. You could say there are a number of ways to go about such an approach. However, no matter what method you choose, you will ultimately fail miserably. (Notice the parallel with humanity). There is a bit of light at the end of this dismal tunnel. If you would perhaps borrow a gun from a friend or store ( I mean... steal it) then you would have an excellent shot of achieving your goals. I should note, she probably won't be much of a conversationalist at gun point, but she probably didn't have much interesting to say anyway.
Ah... the futility of life...
Now, I must go "ask out" this terribly hot chick.
I use only mp3s on mine....
Not sure how that format lock in is stopping me from doing that, but it seems fairly broken.
Sure, it would be nice if I didn't use iTunes to load junk onto the unit, but at least that lets me keep good control over the menu/title display.
Nah,
He was just sloppy.
Me, I'm fairly picky when it comes to releasing details about anything online. I simply don't believe in posting information to a publicly available forum. I'm not speaking specifically about facebook, but the general web in itself. If I do share a story or something I think I do a fairly good job of keeping the details non-person specific regardless of the details.
Regarding facebook, I'm not even sure finer grained information controls are necessary.
To sum it up... this is a frying pan.... this is your information... this is your neighbor bob watching you cook breakfast and getting all the highlights on your life on his wide screen 21 foot plasma screen. Any questions?
Nods...
I never really thought of it that way.
I'm totally calling the cops on the guy who blew up my interceptor last week. (Those T2 ships are expensive!)
This is all true unless a large number of the "community" is against you. Fairly quickly you can find yourself on the outside of the wall.
So here is what life has taught me, "Wikipedia hurts the underdog and there is Slittle you can do about it."
At least that is my experience with wiki-crap.
Me, I've given up on it and relegated it to the trash bin. For the longest time I didn't understand why so many people actually hated it, but then I started to realize there were issues.
My last effort to clean up some wiki entries specifically targeting my company were met with a roll back and a warning. (It's pretty much a joke at this point what is written there.) Look, the underlying issue happens to be this... if you are a minority voice in the community you will not be heard. It goes a step further and actually turns wikipedia into a mobilized war machine that can actually be used against you by the thousdan monkeys pushing from behind.
At least, those are my experiences...
Nope... not giving out the link... I don't need anymore headache.
It's also important to note there is no level cap.
Skills are constantly acquired and if you so choose you can begin in a new direction. Some new skills require previous skills at certain levels to acquire and thus begins a bit of a ladder.
It's a bit difficult choosing what you want to do, but the easiest path is to initially opt for a simpler fighter layout.
Eve is a great game, but with real time training there is no way to catch up to someone who started long before you. This doesn't mean as much as one might think, but rather requires a little more strategy when taking on a veteran opponent. A diverse and youthful skillset can be just as deadly as someone who has specialized very heavily.
I've never seen anyone scoff at the tools regardless of income.
In essence, people are different in many respects and it doesn't precisely matter how much pocket change they have. While I cannot speak for every individual that possess an overly moderate income, I can say that I have crossed paths with some wealthy individuals. (Oddly, I have managed to run into a few during online gaming that were quite well off. It's also not something that gets revealed on day one, but it's kinda odd to find out a year later you have become good friends with a trust fund babe.)
I've known people who have plenty and don't care for excessive expenditures. (I like those kind of people)
I've also known people who do have semi-nice toys and it's not that they don't understand the value, but rather it's not such a big deal if it breaks or ages.
However, to this day I have never met anyone who has so much unbelievable wealth or life style that they care not for meager possessions. I'm sure they are out there somewhere, but it all comes back to one of my friends best lines.
"They didn't get rich by wasting their money."
In case anyone is wondering... nope... sadly I am unfortunately not unbeilevable wealthy. Though just friday morning I acquired a second home even larger then my last! (The trick is to hang around the appliance stores when they get new shipments in. If you are lucky you can give the kids in the back a cigarette and they won't break down the refrigerator boxes.)
Precisely my thoughts...
Attack the core of the issue instead of burning time for something that won't be entirely helpful to the people.
If you had planned on donating time to translating/writing content for the african language section then perhaps it would be better spent finding a way to help the people instead.
Maybe you want to do both? That is a very noble cause, but it is just that... noble. (Note, noble doesn't feed people, noble doesn't earn a pay check and noble isn't paying my rent. I hate this noble person already!)
I do hope people won't think me to be a troll because I don't feel it's a worthy cause to translate a wiki when there are greater needs. I'm quite sure I will get flamed for this and I'm still not going to post anonymous. (BTW, don't bother, I rarely check follow-ups)
Or perhaps my theory...
The hype was all fabricated!
I started noticing a few of the snakes/plane parodies, but I actually didn't see one that I felt was any good. For something that wasn't too terribly funny I did wonder why I was seeing the more then normal chatter.
In any event, I'm not passing around mass paranoia stories, but my gut reaction was this was fabricated crap. After the initial reaction... I moved on to other "funny" crap.
ESR is suggesting the open source movement concern itself with making sure GNU/Linux et al works out of the box, and if that means in the short term accepting some proprietary software, then that may be necessary.
If we do that, then the terrorists have already won.
Oh I couldn't resist!
Yeah, I think nature did a pretty good job of "packing up" the city.
The car pallets are designed not to allow this to happen.
So no drips or other such things falling onto your car.
Still, sounds like a safe place to sleep for the night...
As for those who do the reporting, I'd wager that anyone who spends years in an institution of higher learning so they can earn (yes, "earn") a degree in journalism has probably learned something during those years that the rest of us sitting on our couches didn't. I'd also wager that after graduating, most take up employment in an organisation that has a history and tradition that extends farther than recent memory. If you don't believe any of that counts for something, then I guess it's both fair and logical to assume you don't count for anything, either.
Welcome to the world of tomorrow where ideals have been beaten with a bloody claw hammer and your hopeful world really doesn't exist.
News reporting organizations don't exist for the common good of mankind in today's world as they have an agenda at hand. They exist to earn revenue or generate a larger audience. The latter form works on the basis of creating a ratings foot hold in order to bolster post and pre-ceeding programming.
Though after all has been said I wonder if you have actually worked in news/journalism. (I know I have!)
I was going to go after some other points, but really your post was just riddled with jabs and pokes at the previous poster. I'm not sure I've seen that many negative associations since last nights Fox broadcast. (Actually, I don't watch it, but I thought it was funny.)
In closing, I propose a new moderation tag be put in place after reading your recent post: eloquent troll.
So where do I sign up to be on the force?
Can't beat em, join em!
Yeah,
I replaced my tax software with a linux friendly version of "Accountant."
Damn, this human/program works wonders as I don't have to do any work myself. It's voice activated too!
ie, "Hey, Steve here is this and this and that, I want this and those and something else. See you later Steve!"
It's just like that folks...
Not sure if Steve is open source though, but I could ask him later!