...sit-ins tended to violate more than the law in question as well. Not too mention that a lot of us object to draconian enforcement of traditional copyright, anyway. I see this battle as a test run--if two people want to exchange information that the government disapproves of, can the government stop them? Can they stop 10 million? 100 million? Whatever course this battle takes will likely be the same course censorship of information online in China takes in the future.
According to download.com, there have been more than 124 million downloads of KaZaA Media Desktop 2.0. And that's just one of the p2p programs. (One that I don't use). Admittedly there are some multiple downloads and international downloads. And merely the newest version of that program. But it's still a damn big number. Make no mistake--the efforts of te ACLU and the EFF on this issue (wait, has the ACLU done anything about this issue?) would be completely meaningless were it not for these multitudes.
When people break the speed limit, they don't go to the nearest police station and give them photographs of their spedometer as they passed a low speed limit. It doesn't have to be this big self-sacrificing submission to authority--just plain old breaking the law, such as Prohibition or speed-limits, is Civil Disobedience done the effective, fun, and American way.
Which is why shiny things will win. Everyone else is doing it--why don't I start? Downloading stuff for free is fun! The United States of America is a very powerful government, but when it challenges the fun of it's own people it always loses. Eventually the government will have to either cave in like with Prohibiton, limit enforcement to the biggest offenders as with speeding, or fight a perpetual losing war as with drug policy.
You know, your sig seems somehow appropriate...
But seriously, is 375,000 really that big? Think of how many millions of copies of FFX got sold. It wouldn't take too many of them to get hooked on XI to beat 375,000...
Da, comrade! Soon we have put all capitalist scum in space! EXPLODO_SPACE, that is! (-; --that's a russki smiley because Russia faces are the oppsoite of America faces!!!!!!
Sites like that are very good for finding new types of music/artists to listen to, but they only seem to have a few songs for any artist, while emusic tends to have entire albums available, to download with a single click. emusic isn't for everyone, but I looked at it and seemed like a way to acquire music I like really quickly.
I've used Emusic. I've had no problems with download speed--usually maxing out my DSL, certainly faster than any p2p networks I've used. The downloaded songs are just mp3s, so you keep them forever. Selection doesn't rival audiogalaxy, alas, but they certainly have a lot outside of the mainstream. Of course you don't need to subscribe to see what songs/artists they have available--look at www.emusic.com.
ICE BEAM!!!!!!
yeah, that's right, after reading this post, you will now associate marvel vs. capcom (specifically Ice Man) with Carpel Tunnel Treatment (cold laser)!
OPTIC BLAST!
Let's say, for instance, SomeCompany took Microsoft's Windows 2000 Server product, changed a few things around, messed with some settings, and re-sold it as "Clean Windows". Would they not deserve to be sued out of existence?
Yeah, I'm sure the government would sure shut these guys down immediately.
Eh, my preferences flip around once you move to the portable arena. When I'm deciding to take a device or not, the total weight and number of devices I've got is a big factor. If reducing that weight and number means I'm twice as likely to be carrying my PDA or cell phone at any given point, that just makes the PDA or cell phone twice as valuable.
Look kids, there is a fallacy here, but you're bread analogy's got nothing to do with it, because there is no correllation between bread and molestors (a molestor is not MORE likely to eat bread. He is more likely to have kiddy porn, supposedly). Can any of you find the true fallacy?
They probe the Internet for people doing what they or their customer's don't like, so they can incarcerate people in the real world. Do they not fear they shall be brought into harm in the real world for doing what people don't like on the Internet?
Surely, if vigilante/mob justice (well-known to be the least corruptable justice system of all) is to retain any respect, THIS COMPANY MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE! I plead to the Vigilante Security Council and all member nations of the United Mob to hold BayTSP accountable for flouting our prudent resolutions on the DMCA issue!
Anyone making a game without a serious advertising push would do well to make their game as easy to pirate as possible. The more users of your product, the more word of mouth spreads for a game. Some users will find it more convenient to buy than steal a game (I know I generally do. It's been a long time since I've stolen any games, not because I'm an honest fellow, but because it' just easier to pay some dollars rather than waste time looking around p2p/irc networks for the one game I'm interested in playing.). So as pirates download and tell their friends about the game, legal consumers purchase more copies of the game.
Besides, it's generally most convenient to steal the most popular games that have no chance of losing money anyway. It's a matter of network effects--easier to steal what everyone else is stealing.
Two points: I didn't say anything about what you should have to pay, just about cost. And cost due to piracy ISN'T equal to the retail value of every copy. This statement has nothing to do with ethics or law or morality--just dollars and math.
Now as far as rights go, it's my damn computer, I get to run any damn string of numbers as a program I get my grubby little hands on. That's the de facto law, sorry if you don't like it.
How can you justify piracy when so few titles break even on their development costs?
Have you noticed that most titles are crap? I mean, go to a retail store, look at the available games, count the crap vs. non-crap games, and then ask yourself why so few titles break even.
Yeah, but you still have to pay for the bandwidth whether or not your user chooses to register the product, right? So if they decide to steal it instead of deleting it from their hard drive, it doesn't effect you at all. Maybe you aren't giving enough information here to make your post logical.
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...sit-ins tended to violate more than the law in question as well. Not too mention that a lot of us object to draconian enforcement of traditional copyright, anyway. I see this battle as a test run--if two people want to exchange information that the government disapproves of, can the government stop them? Can they stop 10 million? 100 million? Whatever course this battle takes will likely be the same course censorship of information online in China takes in the future.
According to download.com, there have been more than 124 million downloads of KaZaA Media Desktop 2.0. And that's just one of the p2p programs. (One that I don't use). Admittedly there are some multiple downloads and international downloads. And merely the newest version of that program. But it's still a damn big number. Make no mistake--the efforts of te ACLU and the EFF on this issue (wait, has the ACLU done anything about this issue?) would be completely meaningless were it not for these multitudes.
Which is why shiny things will win. Everyone else is doing it--why don't I start? Downloading stuff for free is fun! The United States of America is a very powerful government, but when it challenges the fun of it's own people it always loses. Eventually the government will have to either cave in like with Prohibiton, limit enforcement to the biggest offenders as with speeding, or fight a perpetual losing war as with drug policy.
Oh, Square claims FFXI already has 140,000 subscribers.
You know, your sig seems somehow appropriate... But seriously, is 375,000 really that big? Think of how many millions of copies of FFX got sold. It wouldn't take too many of them to get hooked on XI to beat 375,000...
Da, comrade! Soon we have put all capitalist scum in space! EXPLODO_SPACE, that is! (-; --that's a russki smiley because Russia faces are the oppsoite of America faces!!!!!!
Sites like that are very good for finding new types of music/artists to listen to, but they only seem to have a few songs for any artist, while emusic tends to have entire albums available, to download with a single click. emusic isn't for everyone, but I looked at it and seemed like a way to acquire music I like really quickly.
I've used Emusic. I've had no problems with download speed--usually maxing out my DSL, certainly faster than any p2p networks I've used. The downloaded songs are just mp3s, so you keep them forever. Selection doesn't rival audiogalaxy, alas, but they certainly have a lot outside of the mainstream. Of course you don't need to subscribe to see what songs/artists they have available--look at www.emusic.com.
ICE BEAM!!!!!! yeah, that's right, after reading this post, you will now associate marvel vs. capcom (specifically Ice Man) with Carpel Tunnel Treatment (cold laser)! OPTIC BLAST!
Yeah, I'm sure the government would sure shut these guys down immediately.
Eh, my preferences flip around once you move to the portable arena. When I'm deciding to take a device or not, the total weight and number of devices I've got is a big factor. If reducing that weight and number means I'm twice as likely to be carrying my PDA or cell phone at any given point, that just makes the PDA or cell phone twice as valuable.
Slow down, space cowboy!
Every moment of my life the universe asks "Would you like to die now? It's free!" And the correct answer/reaction to give the universe is always NO.
Blue would be associated with police/law enforcement. The very opposite of aliens.
Oh and don't worry I'll let you know.
Look kids, there is a fallacy here, but you're bread analogy's got nothing to do with it, because there is no correllation between bread and molestors (a molestor is not MORE likely to eat bread. He is more likely to have kiddy porn, supposedly). Can any of you find the true fallacy?
Yeah it's not like it's ridiculous or anything!
TRACK-YOUR-POSITION has never sponsored the BayTSP regime!!!
Surely, if vigilante/mob justice (well-known to be the least corruptable justice system of all) is to retain any respect, THIS COMPANY MUST BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE! I plead to the Vigilante Security Council and all member nations of the United Mob to hold BayTSP accountable for flouting our prudent resolutions on the DMCA issue!
i dont understand how do i point my AOL to the free doctoral thesis channel.
hello dr. pat i am looking for communicative chats have i found it?!!!
Anyone making a game without a serious advertising push would do well to make their game as easy to pirate as possible. The more users of your product, the more word of mouth spreads for a game. Some users will find it more convenient to buy than steal a game (I know I generally do. It's been a long time since I've stolen any games, not because I'm an honest fellow, but because it' just easier to pay some dollars rather than waste time looking around p2p/irc networks for the one game I'm interested in playing.). So as pirates download and tell their friends about the game, legal consumers purchase more copies of the game. Besides, it's generally most convenient to steal the most popular games that have no chance of losing money anyway. It's a matter of network effects--easier to steal what everyone else is stealing.
Two points: I didn't say anything about what you should have to pay, just about cost. And cost due to piracy ISN'T equal to the retail value of every copy. This statement has nothing to do with ethics or law or morality--just dollars and math. Now as far as rights go, it's my damn computer, I get to run any damn string of numbers as a program I get my grubby little hands on. That's the de facto law, sorry if you don't like it.
Have you noticed that most titles are crap? I mean, go to a retail store, look at the available games, count the crap vs. non-crap games, and then ask yourself why so few titles break even.
Yeah, but you still have to pay for the bandwidth whether or not your user chooses to register the product, right? So if they decide to steal it instead of deleting it from their hard drive, it doesn't effect you at all. Maybe you aren't giving enough information here to make your post logical.