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Nokia 3650 Symbian Imaging-phone
Ch_Omega writes "Nokia have announced a new cameraphone in the, traditionally low-cost, 3xxx-series. Surprisingly enough, it seems to have the same functionality as the Nokia 7650, as well as tri-band, MMC-expansion slot, and abillity to capture video as well as still images. The new smartphone has been given the name Nokia 3650, which, according to this article indicates that it will be much cheaper than the 7650, while actually being superior feature-wise!"
...what's with the funky number pad? Are they going for the retro-dial look?
looks like everyone is jumping on the bandwagon, and why not nokia? they are king of the cheap product? Why is it that the low-quality devices become so popular?
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This is the kind of Sybian Phone that I want.
Symbian doesn't just make a rock-solid OS for phones, they also have a slew of other high-tech products.
Oh, wait a sec'. Sy-M-bian. Never mind.
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Consumer electronics becoming cheaper and more featureful as time advances? Unheard of!
Seriously, this product is doomed to fail. Nobody needs or wants a camera, PDA, mp3 player, or web browser on their phone. 10-number speed-dial was the last useful feature to be added to cellular phones. In 10 years all of these Uberphonen will seem silly and ridiculous. "What were we thinking?" we'll all ask, in much the same tone as someone remembering the days of disco, when big pants and cocaine ruled the night.
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it says that it runs realONE for video playback
never seen that application of real's coftware yet
I still don't get this. It's like combining a nose hair trimmer with a toothbrush - sure you could combine those, but why would anyone want to?
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why are we going back to rotary?
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I have the 8890 right now and while I like it, I would like something new.
I like the look of this phone if it is going to look like what the link showed.
There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
1. Don't get the 7650: it's huge and ugly.
2. The Register had this story on the 6th September.
It's like combining a nose hair trimmer with a toothbrush
Do you meant to say that you carry a nose hair trimmer and a toothbrush with you at all times?
Kinky.
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First release a tech-version with all-new features, then trim it down and re-relase it as a new product.
The even/odd scheme with linux kernels work in a similar way, but that's only about bugfixes..
How about a first mainstream linux version without added-on bloat?
It should work because its tri-band (1900 Mhz was listed)...
Anyone else notice that this Nokia 3650 looks a like like a Palm M130.
Get the color schemes right and the two could match...
Kinda like my '00 era Nokia 8890 and my Palm V.
--Al
So, if this camera phone is so great, it should fit right into my bow tie...
So be careful!
For folks who really want to mod me up (*grin*) that was a Simon and Garfunkel joke...
"I garfunkeled your mother!"
The one in the corner looking clueless at most everything, but enjoying it, nonetheless.
Forget the camera, I want the polyphonic ringtones!
What's the deal on the phone from the Matrix? I know they built one where a piece of plastic covers the mouth part and you slide it down by hand, but did they ever make a spring-loaded one?
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My digital cam works fine. It has superiour picture quality. Why would I want a phone that takes crappy pictures and can only be sent to other people who have an MMS-capable phone?
(btw it should read MMS not MMC).
Is this truly useful? Methinks not.
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I realize I am bucking the trend here, but what I really want to see is less of this combo crap and more SINGLE FUNCTION devices (and software apps, for that matter) that do one major thing and do it extremely well.
For example:
Internet suites suck. I want a stand alone email program that just does email and does an amazing job of it. I want a stand alone newsreader for usenet. I want a stand alone browser. I want a stand alone IM program (which, incidentally, talks to anyone on any IM network of course).
I want a PDA that does an amazing job at being a PDA. It doesn't need to do MP3s. It doesn't need to take (or show) pictures. It doesn't need to operate as my TV remote or my garage door opener.
I want a printer that just PRINTS. Has anyone noticed the complete LACK of innovation in the printer space? Why haven't color LASER printers at 10+ page per minute speed come to the consumer level ($200 and under). All we get are a variety of inkjet printers with various extra features tacked on (fax, scan, etc). They do a crappy job of scanning and a crappy job of faxing (of course, fax machines are all crap and it is a technology that needs to die, but that is a whole different matter).
I want my scanner to scan. I want my fax to fax (I actually want it to die, but I really shouldn't keep getting distracted by my fax hatred). I want my printer to PRINT.
Is this too much to ask? Combo devices generally do everything poorly. I would rather have devices that do ONE thing and do it GREAT.
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They english translation says that it's targeted at European, Asian and North American markets however, being a 3-band GSM it means that it'll work quite everywhere in the world except in Japan: all across Africa for example, and in South America too.
As in the original article it'll be initially marketed in those 3 continents, but nothing prevents it from being sold and used anywhere else.
Curiously enough, non-GSM users are left out for now. Hopefully, at least in the North-American continent, the (late) conversion to GSM by AT&T will speed up the conversion of the last 30% of the world maket to the dominant global standard.
is the dial nonintuitive for those who have actually used a rotary phone? i would be looking for the "1" on the other side.
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Sounds like I'll be telecommuting.
I think I need a product that will wash the taste of Cmd Tuna Taco's pee sprout out of my mouth. What knob slobbers we are!
And they are pretty nice in real life. One of my friend's dad works at Nokia and now has one of these phones and boy is it nice. The keypad is weird at first, but apparently a represtative sample of text-messagers in the UK said that the keypad was better than the regular style once you get the hang of it. The one strange thing, though, is that there's no cover over the lense (well there is but it's transparant and perminantly there and permenantly open to scratches). At first I was a little paranoid about this but apparently they tested it by literally scrubbing it with sandpaper for half an hour and not a scratch! It's also impervious to keys and change in your pocket - the only way to seriously damage it is to take a scalpal to it! The software on the phone was all development/old versions but it's going to have RealOne and, apparently, real internet browsing (Has God answered the prayer's of millions? Is W@P dead?) and other goodies. The phone has the usual Nokia tactile feel, though perhaps a little more plasticy than previous phones (think transition from Palm III to M100 without the shambolic hardware issues). And generally is pretty sweet. I can't wait to see the polished production version!!!
"Why would I want a phone that takes crappy pictures and can only be sent to other people who have an MMS-capable phone?"
.jpg format.
Actually, you are wrong. The pictures(640x480x24bit) can be mailed to any e-mail adress, transfered to your box via bluetooth and more, in
"(btw it should read MMS not MMC)."
It should read MMS if it was MMS i was talking about. However, it was not. I was actually talking about a Multi Media Card, a removable memory-chip.
Nokia makes the best phones on the market. Period. I've owned Siemens, Motorola and four Nokias - I've tried the Sony Ericsson T68i, Ericsson (old ones) and a few others (like Bosch etc) - NONE of them are as good as the Nokia - they simply have the best user interface - menu system - of them all. On advanced phones the menu system is very important - And none beats the nokias.
The only thing that I regret about the new phones, is that they no longer have the "IntelliKey" - that was a good!
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OK, I've seen this posted on Slashdot a lot. I don't get it. Is there a joke somewhere in these postings that I am missing?
if the number pad is semi-circular, how the heck will i play snake ????
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
Wouldn't the ultimate convergence appliance be a combination toilet/refrigerator? Imagine the multitasking capabilities!
Also, about your comment, Nobody needs or wants a camera, PDA, mp3 player, or web browser on their phone -- I find it absolutely untrue. Perhaps you cannot "think outside the box" but I would welcome anything that can do all these things. I own a digital camera, a PDA, two mp3 players, a laptop and a desktop. Now, if you can create one product that can do all of these things even remotely competent, but most importantly, fit in ONE pocket... you have your first customer right here.
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The phone looks really cool, but PLEASE give it a regular phone keypad!!! If I want a rotary dial, I'll go get some old pulse dialing phone.
The least they could have done is arranged the circular buttons in clockwise order so that they'd be layed out in a way similar to the old rotary-dial phones.
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Who the hell named that thing? Someone that doesn't have the internet, obviously!
Yow! I just set my phone to vibrate! Call me!
Who modded this down? It's actually pretty funny.
Let me explain for the idiots who don't get his joke... He's saying you can take a picture just like Goatse.cx with your cellphone.. Get it?
Isn't this advance in technology wonderful???
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It's just one of the ongoing jokes that is posted here, like all the beowulf cluster and goatse jokes. Unless I'm missing something too. :)
Is this the phone you mean? Cover slides down to reveal the keypad.
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Soon, we here at Monsanto will close the loop. And you will pay for the privelege!
They bust ass in america. we get all the cool shit last. :(
That would be kinda neat... Low cost Video cell phones... what's the cost on this?
- phone
- mp3 player
- stereo headphone jack
- bluetooth
- GPRS
- tri-band (for usage in USA)
- expansion (MMC)
- simple camera
I don't want an all-in-one device. I can not see this replacing my PDA. The screen is too small for email, ebooks, web surfing. This is why I need the bluetooth to connect to my PDA or laptop so I can use the GPRS data connection. The built-in camera will not replace my digital camera, but it would be fun at parties or other events when I just want to send a MMS or email to someone to show them what they are missing.
A Sybian phone fot the ladies :D
I wonder if the original "Symbian" company will sue Nokia for stealing the name. I mean, I'll be really confused now when I see popups for "Hot XXX girls RIDE THE SYMBIAN"... Hmmm, have they created a new fetish niche?
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I still don't see a market for these phones. Most people that want to carry a camera around with them want *usuable* pictures from it.
Just buy an elph.
You don't sound like a habitual cellphone user. I am one, and I can tell you that I have developed a scary reliance on a number of features (SMS messaging, the built in alarm clock, caller-ID-associative ringtones, tetris, etc) - all developed after your 10 number speed dial. There is nothing I wish for more than a completely integrated PDA/phone/camera/mp3 player/web browser, etc.
;-). Ericsson's P800 is due out early next year (revised date), with all those features - and MPEG4, Java, everything crammable into a 150mhz ARM processor with 16mb memory.
And guess what - it's coming soon (RSN
Check it out
I know it's what I've dreamed of, and I bet you that many other (geek and non-geek) people have dreamt of it too.
Let's say you want 5" x 7" prints of your photos. At 640 x 480, the pixels per inch will be 640/7 or 91 ppi horizontal, 480/5 or 96 ppi vertical.
With my Nikkon 775 which was around $300, I get 1600 x 1200 resolution. This gives me 228 ppi horizontal, 240 ppi vertical.
You approach photorealistic quality at 300 ppi. If I were to get 5 by 7 prints, the photos your camera would produce wouldn't be tolerable. Not even talking about the fact that my camera uses 32 bit color.
Add in the fact that it probably doesn't have flash and other nice camera features like red eye, etc... you'll have to conclude that it's no replacement for a digital camera.
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You need a good old motorola 3688, had mine in my pocket when I fell into the Canal du Midi, 5 days later it was working as good as new.
Only 83g as well, carry a 130g telephone? Those Nokia guys think I'm an elephant?
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Yes, but that would require giving money to Apple for their overpriced hardware, and I have sworn a solemn oath to NEVER support Apple and their proprietary "lock you in and never let go" hardware.
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That most sci-fi writers in the seventies, sixties
and earlier forecasted creation of videotelephones
but usually they mean desk-mounted ones,
not mobile ones...
Here are the preliminary prices of the new Nokia models including 3650 (625).
http://www.idesan.pp.fi/nokia.html
numbers when in someone's pocket or bag. Sometimes this occurs
during incriminating or embarrassing situations, and typically
the number on the other end will be a friend or relative since
they are going to be the last dialed number, or someone on a
speed dial entry.
Now pause for a moment, and imagine the implications of a
video-cellphone accidently dialing your parents at a bad
time...
On a more serious note, I've also read about cell phones being
used intentionally for this sort of spying. Ones that can
auto-answer calls silently are inconspicuously left in a board
room or someone's office, and then later, can be called in order
to eavesdrop.
They typcially dont raise any concerns because, hey "Its just a
cell phone, someone probably forgot it, and will come back to get
it".
Now... adding video to the technique may prove to be interesting
or problematic (depending on which side you are on).
Yes, but what I commented was your claim that it could only send pictures to other MMS compatible phones, which was wrong. I also commented on your belief that I didn't know the difference between MMS and MMC, and merly misspelled MMS, something I certainly did not.
:)
When talking about image-quality, I agree with you that 640x480 is not good enough, but the old VGA-resolution seems to be current top resolution among (the few available) imaging phones at the market. Anyway, this phone is probaly not meant as a competitor to dedicated digital cameras, but more as something to have handy, should a interesting/fun situation arise.
Sprint makes a camerphone that just utterly blows this one out of the water, if for nothing more than it doesn't look like a fisher price toy.
I've begun to notice that gadgets are either going the "look ultra futuristic" or "look like something only a 2 year old or a raver would want" paths. I for one want all my gadgets chrome or black.
Finally, math books without any of that base 6 crap in them.
A cell phone named "Symbian".. Small enough to fit you-know-where, and vibrate.
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And there, in a nutshell, you have the reason why this phone exists.
Basically, my Ericsson T39m (to take a random example) is everything I could possibly need in a phone. It works as a phone, all over the world. It talks to my Palm or my PC, and I can use it for data. GPRS if I want hi speed data. Simple games too for boring moments. Very sophisticated memory; I could use it as my contact manager if I didn't prefer my Palm. SMS make it a sper alpha pager too. It's tiny. It looks nice.
So, what can the company offer me to make me buy a different new phone? Well, technically, all they can add is battery life, but we're at the technological limit for that. So, all they can do to persuade me to get a new phone is to put fancy crap into it, such as a camera + MMS so i can send crappy photos about. Or a mp3 player, or a radio, or a thumbboard so I can type messages faster, anything to persuade me that I need a new phone.
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When you first use this phone you are able to dial numbers. Why? because the digits are on each buttons, and you just hunt-and-peck your way along. But the real beauty of this UI is for expert users, and everyone is an expert user of their cellphone. By arranging the buttons radially, you have a much easier time dialing blindly. Check out the keypad, there's a nice buttonless space for your thumb to go when you grab the phone in your pocket. From there, each button is easily naviagble. In fact, it's somewhat similar to mozilla's pie menus. They're going for ease of use while dialing blindly, and they know that whoever get's this as their phone will have more than enough time to become an expert at using it. That's because people use it every day. Handspring made the mistake of not enabling blind dialing in their Treo phone. Because the touch screen has no texture, it's impossible to find the buttons without looking.
So don't look at the nokia layout as an attmpt to be retro or to emulate a rotary phone, they're trying to make it easy for people to effortlessly use thier phone without looking. And there's no reason to stick to the 3x4 layout. Most cellphones' buttons are so different in size anyways that it's impossible to blind dial one after constantly using another. Therefore, they might as well rearrange them completely.
I mean, you guys are bitching about phones that take pictures. You want a camera that takes a good picture. You want an MP3 player that holds tens of gigs. You want a phone that goes for a week with a single charge and is very light.
Umm. You can buy these things right now. I have.
But do I carry my Nomad jukebox in my pocket all the time? Hell no. Do I have my Olympus Camedia hanging in my neck all the time? Nope.
I picked up a Nokia 7650 recently. I've been a Nokia person for ages (save for an odd Motorola or Ericcsson here and there, only to be disgusted by their lack of user-friendliness).
It's a bit bulky. It does not play MP3s. It can only take pretty lousy pictures with its fixed focus VGA-res camera. It's short on memory and is a bit slow. The built-in PIM is OK, but it does not have a spreadsheet. I would be happier with a small keyboard or a touchscreen for text entry.
But... doesn't it just cry out the possibility of an ultra pocket device? Isn't it where we're headed? There are very small cameras out there that take very nice pictures. There are very small MP3 players. There are very small phones. Combine them without trade-offs, and you got my $2000.
I don't know what's this "I like my scanner to scan" attitude. (And I have no idea what's +4, Interesting about it at all.) I like my scanner to scan too - I just don't mind if it's the same machine as my fax and printer, conveniently hooked up to my PC with a USB cable.
I actually don't like the fact that they did not integrate an ISDN phone into it.
Nokia is making a Sybiancellphone?? WTF??
I think he means a person that installs ducts. Personally, I wouldn't do business with a duct installer that had access to anthrax.
How about a cellphone on a pcmcia card. Maybe with an optional bluetooth interface for the head set. Then I could plug it into a PDA, a laptop, or mabe a plain phone chassis.
yeah, like the fact that someone with a low,low UID of 1610 would just now be slumming around reading below (score : 1) at this late a date.
Er. The "linux release" version is the "trimmed down" version. Check out redhat or mandrake distro kernels sometime - the amount of add-on doohickeys they include is astounding.
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is it me or are the /. editors repeating themselves?
9 720 thread and article talk about this phone from like 2 weeks ago
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=39800&cid=424
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When I first read the subject of this, I thought it said Simian Imaging phone. I thought this was one of those fancy phones for picture taking monkeys and I knew that this had to be part of the evil Ximian conspiracy for the advancement of all apes and ape-like creatures.
You know, the one where they help shape Gnome into a desktop so easy to use that a spidermonkey could take over my job. I thought with a phone for that same monkey, he could soon take over a CxO (where x = E,T,F,O,etc.) position. But then I guess things like Enron would be a little bit easier to catch early on.
Hear that screaming from upstairs?
Yeah, sounds like Pooky the CFO is shredding documents again.
Bah. It's something extra they can throw on top of the existing product. It's not like they are looking to replace digital cameras, but it can put them into the hands of folks who might not otherwise buy one, and it will be useful for lesser tasks. You might imagine your cell phone will go places with you, but you'd have to go to extra effort to carry your (dedicated) camera everywhere...
Umm...it's pretty easy to "blind dial" on my existing Nokia 3somethingorother that has the traditional (ok, non-rotary!) layout. Top left key is 1, the rest follows from there. It works the same as your average TV remote -- they may be in different places but you are going to find a similar number layout. Easy to work in the dark.
I just got a 3410, and to my grief, I shortly figured the only way to transfer apps to the 3xxx series is through WAP. Unlike the 7xxx series or even the 6xxx series. That is a real drawback for us midlet java programmers :(.
...and more Americans complaining about convergence/too many mobile phone features. "I want a phone to TALK on, dammit!" Open your eyes, embrace the march of mobile technology (we are nerds, right?)
You have your phone on you all the time - taking snapshots of nights out clubbing and sending them to people who didn't make it out will be COOL!
Complain at your operators preventing the SMS phenomenon kicking in, not at the handset capabilities.
8890 is only dual band - GSM900 and GSM1900 - no GSM1800 support.
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anyone else see this as nokia/sybian phone?
i mean, there's always been jokes about getting calls on a phone set to vibrate in your pants pocket, but that would be taking it one step further...
I wish I had more hands so I could give this post 4 thumbs down!
Oh wait...um, that was another device I was thinking of... ;)
(let's just see who gets this)
-JT
Add in the fact that it probably doesn't have flash and other nice camera features like red eye, etc... you'll have to conclude that it's no replacement for a digital camera.
Do even understand that red eye comes from flash? Of course it's not replacement to digi, but it's better than nuffin, and it's always there.
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There are some good previews of the Nokia 3650 over on GSMBOX and Howard Chui's site. I'd still vote for the 7210 though, integrated cam or not.
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By cramming everything into one phone, the 3650 becomes too big and heavy at least for me. I still want to be able to send digital pictures on the fly, though. So why don't the digicamera manufacturers start putting bluetooth chips in their cameras??
That way I can have my tiny T68 in the pocket and use my top quality digital camera to take pictures which I can send wirelessly using the phone.
The 3650 is more like a poor PDA, a poor camera and a poor (and big) mobile phone.
Get your facts right....
its 900 and 1800. 1900 is in the states
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The fotofone (or whatever) is more than just a gadget.
Adding MP3 players to GSMs does not create revenue.
But digital cameras might.
The hope of Nokia and SonyEricsson is that fotofones
will drive new network usage, like SMS did.
If this fails, like WAP did, Nokia and SonyEricsson are in deeeep trouble.
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Er.. my personal favourite is debian. It's gnu and all, but my point is that none of the current linux distros are something the Joe Average could grasp. And the add-on doohickeys are baad.. The vga text mode shell is also very lame, it should seriously be replaced with something graphical that fits on a floppy and includes all the basic /bin functions.
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1-year contracts (high penalties if you quit earlier), or
- too high per-minute charges and expiration periods too shorton pre-paid cards
there is, therefore, very little incentive to just have a couple of SIM chips around, as it can be conveniently done in other countries.I was hoping for the non-US companies to change things once they start buying the scattered North-American ones, but apparently it has not happened yet. Oh well, a few years to catch up with more mature markets...
If you read my post, you'll see that I said I have seen this posted a lot, so yeah, I read down in the depths below "score:1" sometimes (lately I have been reading at a higher level because I get sick of the "page widening" posts though). I have always just read it, wondered what the joke was and went on with life. I just figured after all this time, it keeps getting posted, maybe there was some "inside joke" I was missing. No biggie!
Huh? What are you talking about? Get YOUR facts straight
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