Oh my....too much to believe. I told him the next comment would be something calling us pathetic or something about not having a life. I must admit that I missed the part about the juvenile, though I shoulda thought about that. The last refuge of Slashdotters is to imply that someone is either young or won't grow up. Like I haven't seen that in a million near-the-end-of-the-thread commens here.
After you of course. I did challenge the veracity of your assertions first. The answer to that cannot be for me to account for mine. Rules of debate and all you know.
A shame you bought so easily into this propaganda. I am betting you pride yourself on your "intellectual" bent too. It happened because someone convinced them, rather easily, to hate.
Preventing somebody from blowing himself up is done by taking away the need for such an act.
What is your answer? Or do you just have empty generalities to spout?
Alright. Last time for those who followed my (unintentional) red herring down this thread:
I don't think the cost of a call is the issue here. Your call center can be in Timbuktu but if your company is in the US I am betting that the FTC doesn't care where the call originated.
I graduated with a degree in Education. The "internships" are called Student Teaching and you damn sure didn't get paid. You became some lazy POS teacher's little go-fer with the threat that if you messed up even slightly they would give you a bad review, dooming your job chances once you did graduate.
So there I sat, a wife and two kids to support, babysitting sh1thead public skool punks for no pay for a whole damn semester. And they wonder why they can't get people to teach.
Yeah, in case you didn't get the idea that it sucked.....IT SUCKED!
I soon took my EDU degree and got a job in the IT industry and got paid for my labor.
Be thankful that you can get an internship 'cause in my day we had to walk uphill both ways in a snowstorm....on our hands.
What should be obvious to anyone with half a brain cell, is that one of the many differences between the sex industry and child abuse is that one is an industry who's participants have consented to participate (except where lack of regulation of the industry, or overregulation of the consumers of it's product, have created conditions for abuse) and the other is a crime commited uppon helpless non-consenting children.
I challenge your assumption that the sex industry is composed of individuals that are there of their own free will
Anyone with a quarter of a brain cell knows otherwise
As I told another gentleman:
I don't think the FTC really cares where the call comes from, if the company is a US company they're toast.
So, we are wasting our energy talking about call costs. It appears we all got caught up in a red herring.
If you insist on taking "The world sucks 'cause companies are gonna find another way to screw us" feel free. I'll take the more positive view and see this as a Good Thing(tm)
I guess the point that I shoulda made in the beginning is that I don't think the FTC gives a goat's ass where the call center is if the company is a US company.
"Looking at porn is only "wrong" in your opinion, and I disagree with it.
I actually put that word in there to see if you were paying attention. Knowing what your reaction to it would be was almost too easy. You just helped me win $20 from my cube-mate.
but what if the call originates in... say... Tijuana? Ottowa? Bombay?
If some company is stupid enough to make an international telemarketing call, have at it. That business model will soon drive them bankrupt.
One of the reasons that we currently get telemarketing calls is the pricing structure of local and toll calls is low enough to support that model. This crap didn't happen back when a phone call actuall cost something.
Except if you had RTFA instead of trying to get first post you would know that they collect fees for the administration of the program and those fees aren't necessarily fines.
On another note, is it not the sweetest irony that GW is going to make them pay for their own destruction? Is that lovely or what?
Gratuituous plug or not, I really have difficulty figuring out how the situation you describe is even remotely related to the "current situation in the U.S."
You imply that one party has taken over..
That happens every four years...maybe, if the Presidential party and congressional party happens to be the same. This is certainly not like what you imply to be a power grab.
Block access to public records? The US has a FOI act just like most civilized countries. Admittedly it is abused, but by both parties here in the US. This, by the way, is nothing new.
..and started a war.
That happens from time to time and has never had anything to do with blocking government records.
I am not sure if you are propagandizing or just stupidly unaware of what you are talking about.
All right. I usually don't waste my time on people like you but since you seem particularly strident, I will.
I understand that you *claim* to be interested in the truth but in actuality you are not. My experience with those who spout the garbage you spout is that they are interested solely in propagandizing but when pressed will claim to be interested in facts and truth.
Point by Point:
How about giving Democracy a try? It has a severe dampening effect on concentration of power.
Prove this
Why do you guys always bring up socialism any time someone criticizes capitalism? Is your thinking that narrow-minded?
Ad Hominem
Has your world been reduced to only those two options? Are you trying to live up to the reputation that Americans have for being uneducated and ill-informed?
More Ad Hominem. I'll start responding when you stop with the personal attacks.
A good question to ask yourself is why the people in control of our society have reduced the choice between economic systems down to two,
Just who are these 'People In Control of our Society'? The fact of the matter is that in free socities such as ours, the market determines the choices. Those who claim to fight for the little guy are the only ones claiming unfair amount of choices
and now that socialism has self-destructed, cheered about the fact that there is supposedly only one? Are you dumb enough to believe that people in big business push the present form of capitalism because it is good for you?
More Ad Hominem
Do you really think they are looking out for your interests?
I am looking out for my interests. I am not hung up on some supposedly all-powerful Corporation. I do not blame others either my failures or my successes. I do not need anyone to 'protect' me from the big, bad meanies. In other words, I take responsibility for my actions and the results. Blaming others for your (or those 'unfortunates' that you 'represent' 'cause they 'have no voice') problems will get you nowhere.
What you misunderstand about power laws is that they only describe systems of pure anarchy.
Really? Please substantiate this statement
The problem with systems that have no regulation is that eventually people start getting extremely pissed off as a disproportionate amount of power leaves their hands.
What you are failing to understand is that they *are* regulated. Just not in the manner you wish- some authority overseeing the system based on 'scientific methods'. Power shifts and a self-regulating system changes.
Since you are referring to history, you will understand that if power becomes statified enough, eventually a revolution will occur and leave people hanging from lamp posts.
I do understand this. However, revolution is not the inevtiable result. Self-regulating systems generally revert back to a stasis if left unmolested by individuals who are interested in using the temporary disequillibrium to their advantage. Remove the idealouges such as Kerensky and even Russian survives.
And, since you are such a student of economics, you probably already know that wealth concentration is occuring in the US at an alarming rate. The top 1% of the US population owned 33% of the total wealth of the nation in the 1980s, and that has shot up to over 40% by the late 90s, and it's still rising.
These numbers are thrown around like the truth. I think that the numbers even get worse with every successive manipulation. Before you know it, someone will claim with absolute certainty that "1% of the population has 100% of the wealth..." I challenge you here and now to either substantiate them are accept the fact that they are lies. Do it or your credibility goes to zero pal. Just 'cause Chomsky says it don't make it true. I can provide proof that Capitalism is working better than any other economic system ever invented. Can you prove otherwise?
By contrast, the bottom 40% only own 1% of the wealth. This is where many revolutions start.
Revolutions start? Then how come it ain't happening? No matter how much you feel it should be occurring it isn't....not even close. Just goes to show that no matter how much you seek to destroy the system with your false propaganda, people are generally pretty damn satisfied.
The function of Democracy is to prevent this from happening.
The function of Democracy is self-government. The function of a Democracy is not to ensure that nobody gets their feelings (or wallet) hurt. Imbedded in the Democratic Ideal is self-reliance.
Unforutnately, we have a very limited form of Democracy that is being drowned out by our economic system.
Can you substantiate this claim? Or is it just another unthinking "Big Business runs everything" line
There...happy? I can't believe that I just wasted ten minutes of my valuable time with you.
Slashdot Mirror
How does it feel to be so damned predictable?
You are a dipshit.
After you of course. I did challenge the veracity of your assertions first. The answer to that cannot be for me to account for mine. Rules of debate and all you know.
Close enough, I won more bucks.
Thanks for providing my buds and I with entertainment.
A shame you bought so easily into this propaganda. I am betting you pride yourself on your "intellectual" bent too. It happened because someone convinced them, rather easily, to hate.
Preventing somebody from blowing himself up is done by taking away the need for such an act.
What is your answer? Or do you just have empty generalities to spout?
I don't think the cost of a call is the issue here. Your call center can be in Timbuktu but if your company is in the US I am betting that the FTC doesn't care where the call originated.
Yeah, but therapy has taken all my anger away to a more beautiful place.
I must say that you HAD to see all this coming.
I was blinded by idealism. *That* won't happen again.
"but I wouldn't trade them for the world" disclaimer in there ;)
Absolutely, thanks friend.
So there I sat, a wife and two kids to support, babysitting sh1thead public skool punks for no pay for a whole damn semester. And they wonder why they can't get people to teach.
Yeah, in case you didn't get the idea that it sucked.....IT SUCKED!
I soon took my EDU degree and got a job in the IT industry and got paid for my labor.
Be thankful that you can get an internship 'cause in my day we had to walk uphill both ways in a snowstorm....on our hands.
Paid internships? Bah...
I challenge your assumption that the sex industry is composed of individuals that are there of their own free will
Anyone with a quarter of a brain cell knows otherwise
Uh..... I couldn't think of the opposite of uptight-god-fearing-christian on such short notice.
I don't think the FTC really cares where the call comes from, if the company is a US company they're toast.
So, we are wasting our energy talking about call costs. It appears we all got caught up in a red herring.
If you insist on taking "The world sucks 'cause companies are gonna find another way to screw us" feel free. I'll take the more positive view and see this as a Good Thing(tm)
I guess the point that I shoulda made in the beginning is that I don't think the FTC gives a goat's ass where the call center is if the company is a US company.
I actually put that word in there to see if you were paying attention. Knowing what your reaction to it would be was almost too easy. You just helped me win $20 from my cube-mate.
Do you know Bakunin?
Ok...fine. You go ahead and have all five Canadian companies call us if you want.
Would you think it fair if I said you made some good points.......for a whacked-out, heathen....
You get the picture?
I find it one of the funniest ironies on the planet that those who preach (pardon the pun) tolerance are among the *least* tolerant people alive.
Peace friend...
Sure, if you are only calling a few people...
Okay, now apply the concept of scale to your numbers. If you are calling 10,000 people a week you cannot support those kinds of prices.
What's your answer to child abuse? Applying Six Sigma techniques to leather belt manufacturing?
Marz would be so proud....
Society imposes those restraints for a reason. Are you saying that *everyone* should be free to do *whatever* their body tells them feels good?
Surely you aren't recommending anarchy are you?
Blaming "society" when someone who does something wrong feels bad is a logical dead-end.
Calling someone a bigot because they disagree with you makes you a bigot.
Damn, now I'm a bigot.....see what you started?
If some company is stupid enough to make an international telemarketing call, have at it. That business model will soon drive them bankrupt.
One of the reasons that we currently get telemarketing calls is the pricing structure of local and toll calls is low enough to support that model. This crap didn't happen back when a phone call actuall cost something.
Except if you had RTFA instead of trying to get first post you would know that they collect fees for the administration of the program and those fees aren't necessarily fines.
On another note, is it not the sweetest irony that GW is going to make them pay for their own destruction? Is that lovely or what?
You imply that one party has taken over..
That happens every four years...maybe, if the Presidential party and congressional party happens to be the same. This is certainly not like what you imply to be a power grab.
Block access to public records? The US has a FOI act just like most civilized countries. Admittedly it is abused, but by both parties here in the US. This, by the way, is nothing new.
That happens from time to time and has never had anything to do with blocking government records.
I am not sure if you are propagandizing or just stupidly unaware of what you are talking about.
I understand that you *claim* to be interested in the truth but in actuality you are not. My experience with those who spout the garbage you spout is that they are interested solely in propagandizing but when pressed will claim to be interested in facts and truth.
Point by Point:
How about giving Democracy a try? It has a severe dampening effect on concentration of power.
Prove this
Why do you guys always bring up socialism any time someone criticizes capitalism? Is your thinking that narrow-minded?
Ad Hominem
Has your world been reduced to only those two options? Are you trying to live up to the reputation that Americans have for being uneducated and ill-informed?
More Ad Hominem. I'll start responding when you stop with the personal attacks.
A good question to ask yourself is why the people in control of our society have reduced the choice between economic systems down to two,
Just who are these 'People In Control of our Society'? The fact of the matter is that in free socities such as ours, the market determines the choices. Those who claim to fight for the little guy are the only ones claiming unfair amount of choices
and now that socialism has self-destructed, cheered about the fact that there is supposedly only one? Are you dumb enough to believe that people in big business push the present form of capitalism because it is good for you?
More Ad Hominem
Do you really think they are looking out for your interests?
I am looking out for my interests. I am not hung up on some supposedly all-powerful Corporation. I do not blame others either my failures or my successes. I do not need anyone to 'protect' me from the big, bad meanies. In other words, I take responsibility for my actions and the results. Blaming others for your (or those 'unfortunates' that you 'represent' 'cause they 'have no voice') problems will get you nowhere.
What you misunderstand about power laws is that they only describe systems of pure anarchy.
Really? Please substantiate this statement
The problem with systems that have no regulation is that eventually people start getting extremely pissed off as a disproportionate amount of power leaves their hands.
What you are failing to understand is that they *are* regulated. Just not in the manner you wish- some authority overseeing the system based on 'scientific methods'. Power shifts and a self-regulating system changes.
Since you are referring to history, you will understand that if power becomes statified enough, eventually a revolution will occur and leave people hanging from lamp posts.
I do understand this. However, revolution is not the inevtiable result. Self-regulating systems generally revert back to a stasis if left unmolested by individuals who are interested in using the temporary disequillibrium to their advantage. Remove the idealouges such as Kerensky and even Russian survives.
And, since you are such a student of economics, you probably already know that wealth concentration is occuring in the US at an alarming rate. The top 1% of the US population owned 33% of the total wealth of the nation in the 1980s, and that has shot up to over 40% by the late 90s, and it's still rising.
These numbers are thrown around like the truth. I think that the numbers even get worse with every successive manipulation. Before you know it, someone will claim with absolute certainty that "1% of the population has 100% of the wealth..." I challenge you here and now to either substantiate them are accept the fact that they are lies. Do it or your credibility goes to zero pal. Just 'cause Chomsky says it don't make it true. I can provide proof that Capitalism is working better than any other economic system ever invented. Can you prove otherwise?
By contrast, the bottom 40% only own 1% of the wealth. This is where many revolutions start.
Revolutions start? Then how come it ain't happening? No matter how much you feel it should be occurring it isn't....not even close. Just goes to show that no matter how much you seek to destroy the system with your false propaganda, people are generally pretty damn satisfied.
The function of Democracy is to prevent this from happening.
The function of Democracy is self-government. The function of a Democracy is not to ensure that nobody gets their feelings (or wallet) hurt. Imbedded in the Democratic Ideal is self-reliance.
Unforutnately, we have a very limited form of Democracy that is being drowned out by our economic system.
Can you substantiate this claim? Or is it just another unthinking "Big Business runs everything" line
There...happy? I can't believe that I just wasted ten minutes of my valuable time with you.
Bah, Socialists.....