If you're referring to the McCormick incident, as I recall, that violence (which was common during the "Gilded Age") was perpetuated by Pinkerton, not ordered by Carnegie. It was also two sided. One must remember that the unions of the time, like many today, weren't exactly on the side of the angels;
You may want to read this http://heritage.scotsman.com/cfm/heritagenews/head lines_specific.cfm?articleid=1343542002&subset=arc hive
Gates has a lot more reach than Carnegie ever did, however. When a corporation uses illegal tactics to crush the company you work for, and puts you and many others out of work, that's "violence" of another kind - just not as blatantly illegal. I don't recall Carnegie wanting to put all the little mills in the world (Linux) out of business, either.
I'm willing to bet that a hundred years from now, Gates is not remembered quite as fondly as A. Carnegie is...
There used to be a book available in the library, a couple decades ago, the official report of NASA on the Viking lander missions. It had tons of scientific data and hundreds of color and b/w photos. I spent many hours in the mid-80s pouring over that book, along with other such books.
I have been unable to find it in the last 5 years. If libraries were getting rid of it, I must have missed the book sales. Dangit!
The local librarian tells me they don't have the funding to buy such books anymore (I am sure they cost quite a bit to publish) ---
so...
DONATE to your local library. Please. Suggest the purchase of the book, and follow it up with some $$$. There are many kids who will not have the opportunity to read things like this unless the volumes are available (yeah, internet, blah blah - if you aren't aware it exists, you aren't going to read it. The internet is a big place. )
One unofficial way to donate is to check out rarely used books and pay the late fees:) They're not in demand, so you're not keeping someone else from reading them; but you *are* letting the library know that *someone* wants them (so they keep them on the shelves) and late fees are a form of donation....
Cheers SB
$349.34 donated to local libraries in 2003
Gates is a wannabee when it comes to volunteering.
That's the opinion amongst the local volunteer firemen, in case it matters. I asked.
Shove that crap about giving money away meaning something. Time is the *only* thing that one does not have limitless resources of. Money can be made, remade, and recovered. Time cannot.
So....just how much of his money does he really *need* to live on?
I'd be much more impressed if he gave away at least half his income (in one year, mind you, not over twenty years, per the figures given).
"World's Greatest Philanthropist".
Uh Huh. What about those who give selflessly for much lower salaries...like volunteer fireman, and many others? Just to keep it in my own experience, there are many people where I live who volunteer their time as local fireman; and they don't earn much more than I do (less than a tenth of a percent of Bill's "salary"), and that in addition to the full time work they already do?
You bastard. You have this habit of saying what I want to, but much clearer.:)
If you're ever in the area, the drinks are on me. You can find my email addy, if you want to dig far enough. I'm not clever enough ATM to dig up yours, and I don't have the time to spend on it. So be it.
Skol!
SB Still honor/SR left in the states/exbiker/hdwreman/amat-sci
In terms of earnings, I donate more to charity than he does. I earn less than 20k per year. I donate more than 20% of that to charity. That doesn't include the *time* I donate. How much time does Bill donate? Does he spend time talking to people at local nursing homes? Does he volunteer as a local fireman? Does he go to his neighbors houses and fix their plumbing when they need help doing so? (I'll bet he serves on political committees, tho:)
Where the fuck do you equate donating massive amounts of money to charity as anything worthwhile? Have you never just helped someone out because they needed help? Have you done an analysis on his charity that tells you just how much of that money is actually *used* wisely and not just swallowed by "administrative" costs?
Donating money to one's own foundation is no more than PR; especially when you make sure your company issues press releases about it. Don't forget that he can write that money off on his taxes. Well, I don't write my time off on my taxes. I couldn't, anyway - it's *given* time. That's something that Mr. Gates will never, ever understand.
If "running an incredibly successful 'company'" and giving small percentages of one's (somewhat/however illegaly obtained) fortune to charity could be considered serious contributions to the human race, than it could be argued that some Columbian cocaine Cartels would qualify.
How history "remembers" someone is a realistic comment on their life?
Eh?
Besides which, commenting on how history will remember someone fifty years from now....how do you know? Do you have a time machine? How do you know that Bill/Microsoft won't be reviled in the future? Maybe for the destruction they caused by pushing badly secured software for such a long period of time? Mind you, Microsoft has made the term "computer virus" a household term. How do you know that they won't be reviled for it?
I agree with your sentiments about Carnegie etc, but I'll also mention history spin....of which there is, always, much. What *really* matters is not what High School students are taught in the future, but what actually occurred. You might keep that in mind.
Besides which, comparing Gates to Carnegie is insulting to Carnegie. I won't explain my thinking about that here.
and, where competition is free, the rivalship of competitors, who are all endeavouring to justle one another out of employment, obliges every man to endeavour to execute his work with a certain degree of exactness... Rivalship and emulation render excellency, even in mean professions, an object of ambition, and frequently occasion the very greatest exertions.
Therein lies the difference between a craftsman and a salesman.
One does his work out of pride, another does his work out of greed.
That may be inflammatory, but as someone who does both jobs at the same time, I prefer the craftsman side. In any case, I'd get my ass kicked by those who know better to be bullshitted, if I was so foolish as to try.
In my work, it's a steep slope. I can't bullshit a contractor whom I am trying to sell something, when he knows more than I do. I know better than to do so, but I see colleagues try it every day. On the average, they don't last long. We have a saying at work: "We provide Service; our (local) competitors sell product".
It makes me sick to see all the crap in our environment that implies that being rich is being "successful". It's one of the worst and most persistent lies being perpetuated on our society....by...our society.
I once knew a shrink who said that he'd diagnose our society as "self-delusional". I disagreed with him at the time (20 yrsago) but I don't anymore.
Welcome to the law as a killing tool. Merit isn't the issue - it isn't even of interest. It's what can you say, how loud can you say it, and who will believe you.
Yes. I'll add:
and what is killing our country, our society, and our culture, slowly, methodically, and for no other reason than pure greed and the distorted belief that being rich somehow makes you a better person.
So open sourcers, until you're permitted to rid yourself of parasites (which unfortunately means both of your parties - and if you don't think your (D) or (R) friends
Won't happen. Not within our lifetimes, anyway. Things have gone too far for that. It'll take a violent revolution, or (probably) generations worth of reform (with attendant losses) for that to happen here.
I wish I could disagree with myself on that. I can't.
I agree. He came across to me as someone who thought SCO was pulling the worse kind of BS, yet he presented a fair and balanced article. This kind of reporting is exactly what this situation needs.
Kudos to the author; "Fair and Balanced" journalism is rarely an easy thing, and it *is* a rare thing. We all have our own beliefs. Presenting the other side is a hard thing to do.
With (apparently, from what I've seen) the gratuitous delay so the user doesn't miss it...:), but on my folks' new system, the amount of time that logo is displayed coupled with the lack of HD activity, makes me wonder...
Is it worth trying for slower systems (aka, my laptops, 200mhz and 233 mhz Pentium/PIIs)? Or does it only help in faster boxes?
I ask because my main systems stay up 24/7; but faster boot times on the laps would be nice:-) If I'm going to put time into setting it up, I'd like to know it'd actually save me something.
Agreed on NFS, but DHCP times can vary quite a bit. I get very fast DHCP resolution at home, but when I go LAN against a friend of mine, his router sometimes takes 15-20 seconds to DHCP lease.
I'm not a DHCP guru, like you; I just know what I'm observing. He's observed the same thing, and is looking into a different router (and different cable setup, we're agreed that Fibercom may be the problem - I'm on midco - when he comes and plays here, he says the DHCP times are a lot short than what he experiences at home). We've observed bootup differentials of 30 sec += 15 seconds...
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and with no debate.....that part saddened me. It also astonished me. Congress passed a measure with no debate? WTF?
SB
Bad Press? Heck, they do that to themselves.
From this;
Microsoft spokesman Jim Desler Friday. "It is in his best long-term interest to develop his own commercial reputation in his own name."
Mr. Desler, that *was* his own name, you sanctimonious asshole.
Sigh.
SB
Cool, thanks. I'm going to give it a whirl.
SB
If you're referring to the McCormick incident, as I recall, that violence (which was common during the "Gilded Age") was perpetuated by Pinkerton, not ordered by Carnegie. It was also two sided. One must remember that the unions of the time, like many today, weren't exactly on the side of the angels;
You may want to read this http://heritage.scotsman.com/cfm/heritagenews/hea
Gates has a lot more reach than Carnegie ever did, however. When a corporation uses illegal tactics to crush the company you work for, and puts you and many others out of work, that's "violence" of another kind - just not as blatantly illegal. I don't recall Carnegie wanting to put all the little mills in the world (Linux) out of business, either.
I'm willing to bet that a hundred years from now, Gates is not remembered quite as fondly as A. Carnegie is...
SB
There used to be a book available in the library, a couple decades ago, the official report of NASA on the Viking lander missions. It had tons of scientific data and hundreds of color and b/w photos. I spent many hours in the mid-80s pouring over that book, along with other such books.
:) They're not in demand, so you're not keeping someone else from reading them; but you *are* letting the library know that *someone* wants them (so they keep them on the shelves) and late fees are a form of donation....
I have been unable to find it in the last 5 years. If libraries were getting rid of it, I must have missed the book sales. Dangit!
The local librarian tells me they don't have the funding to buy such books anymore (I am sure they cost quite a bit to publish) ---
so...
DONATE to your local library. Please. Suggest the purchase of the book, and follow it up with some $$$. There are many kids who will not have the opportunity to read things like this unless the volumes are available (yeah, internet, blah blah - if you aren't aware it exists, you aren't going to read it. The internet is a big place. )
One unofficial way to donate is to check out rarely used books and pay the late fees
Cheers
SB
$349.34 donated to local libraries in 2003
Yeah, I thought of that after I hit submit. :)
:)
Here's to the totally energy efficient domicile
SB
20%+ of my income, and better than half my time.
Gates is a wannabee when it comes to volunteering.
That's the opinion amongst the local volunteer firemen, in case it matters. I asked.
Shove that crap about giving money away meaning something. Time is the *only* thing that one does not have limitless resources of. Money can be made, remade, and recovered. Time cannot.
SB
So....just how much of his money does he really *need* to live on?
I'd be much more impressed if he gave away at least half his income (in one year, mind you, not over twenty years, per the figures given).
"World's Greatest Philanthropist".
Uh Huh. What about those who give selflessly for much lower salaries...like volunteer fireman, and many others? Just to keep it in my own experience, there are many people where I live who volunteer their time as local fireman; and they don't earn much more than I do (less than a tenth of a percent of Bill's "salary"), and that in addition to the full time work they already do?
Philanthropist, my ass.
Sheeeeeeezzzuuzz.
SB
15th level Paldin: Alignment: Self/Evil
SB
You bastard. You have this habit of saying what I want to, but much clearer. :)
If you're ever in the area, the drinks are on me. You can find my email addy, if you want to dig far enough. I'm not clever enough ATM to dig up yours, and I don't have the time to spend on it. So be it.
Skol!
SB
Still honor/SR left in the states/exbiker/hdwreman/amat-sci
So what?
In terms of earnings, I donate more to charity than he does. I earn less than 20k per year. I donate more than 20% of that to charity. That doesn't include the *time* I donate. How much time does Bill donate? Does he spend time talking to people at local nursing homes? Does he volunteer as a local fireman? Does he go to his neighbors houses and fix their plumbing when they need help doing so? (I'll bet he serves on political committees, tho
Where the fuck do you equate donating massive amounts of money to charity as anything worthwhile? Have you never just helped someone out because they needed help? Have you done an analysis on his charity that tells you just how much of that money is actually *used* wisely and not just swallowed by "administrative" costs?
Donating money to one's own foundation is no more than PR; especially when you make sure your company issues press releases about it. Don't forget that he can write that money off on his taxes. Well, I don't write my time off on my taxes. I couldn't, anyway - it's *given* time. That's something that Mr. Gates will never, ever understand.
Your point is....what? I fail to see it.
SB
If "running an incredibly successful 'company'" and giving small percentages of one's (somewhat/however illegaly obtained) fortune to charity could be considered serious contributions to the human race, than it could be argued that some Columbian cocaine Cartels would qualify.
SB
You make some good points, but:
How history "remembers" someone is a realistic comment on their life?
Eh?
Besides which, commenting on how history will remember someone fifty years from now....how do you know? Do you have a time machine? How do you know that Bill/Microsoft won't be reviled in the future? Maybe for the destruction they caused by pushing badly secured software for such a long period of time? Mind you, Microsoft has made the term "computer virus" a household term. How do you know that they won't be reviled for it?
I agree with your sentiments about Carnegie etc, but I'll also mention history spin....of which there is, always, much. What *really* matters is not what High School students are taught in the future, but what actually occurred. You might keep that in mind.
Besides which, comparing Gates to Carnegie is insulting to Carnegie. I won't explain my thinking about that here.
SB
small portion. A portion he will not even notice.
and that he gets a tax break on.
Grandparent needs a slap from a Life Cluestick.
Sorry, alex_ant, but your post is an insult to those who provide the glue that holds "civilization" together. You know...the working stiffs.
alex_ant, Lord ALMIGHTY, but you're young. I hope your idealism survives the destruction of your ideals.
SB
Parent deserves a top mod.
and, where competition is free, the rivalship of competitors, who are all endeavouring to justle one another out of employment, obliges every man to endeavour to execute his work with a certain degree of exactness... Rivalship and emulation render excellency, even in mean professions, an object of ambition, and frequently occasion the very greatest exertions.
Therein lies the difference between a craftsman and a salesman.
One does his work out of pride, another does his work out of greed.
That may be inflammatory, but as someone who does both jobs at the same time, I prefer the craftsman side. In any case, I'd get my ass kicked by those who know better to be bullshitted, if I was so foolish as to try.
In my work, it's a steep slope. I can't bullshit a contractor whom I am trying to sell something, when he knows more than I do. I know better than to do so, but I see colleagues try it every day. On the average, they don't last long. We have a saying at work: "We provide Service; our (local) competitors sell product".
It makes me sick to see all the crap in our environment that implies that being rich is being "successful". It's one of the worst and most persistent lies being perpetuated on our society....by...our society.
I once knew a shrink who said that he'd diagnose our society as "self-delusional". I disagreed with him at the time (20 yrsago) but I don't anymore.
Pardon my preaching. Or don't.
SB
Welcome to the law as a killing tool. Merit isn't the issue - it isn't even of interest. It's what can you say, how loud can you say it, and who will believe you.
Yes. I'll add:
and what is killing our country, our society, and our culture, slowly, methodically, and for no other reason than pure greed and the distorted belief that being rich somehow makes you a better person.
Bastards.
SB
Yeah, verily :) Methinks the crack is affecting his memory.
;)
I am Sartre of the Borg. Existence is futile.
What a superb sig. May I use it (elsewhere), Colonel? (I'd subtract the "the"
SB
Just a lowly Private...
Well thought out, and well said.
So open sourcers, until you're permitted to rid yourself of parasites (which unfortunately means both of your parties - and if you don't think your (D) or (R) friends
Won't happen. Not within our lifetimes, anyway. Things have gone too far for that. It'll take a violent revolution, or (probably) generations worth of reform (with attendant losses) for that to happen here.
I wish I could disagree with myself on that. I can't.
SB
Pengiuns may be flightless, but they have thick skin and kick some serious ass on ski slopes.
:)
:)
s/ski/slippery/ ??
Hee hee....
SB
*Ow! Stop hitting me!*
I agree. He came across to me as someone who thought SCO was pulling the worse kind of BS, yet he presented a fair and balanced article. This kind of reporting is exactly what this situation needs.
Kudos to the author; "Fair and Balanced" journalism is rarely an easy thing, and it *is* a rare thing. We all have our own beliefs. Presenting the other side is a hard thing to do.
SB
"I agree that the more yarn you pull out the more you see,"
Darl sure has his metaphors confused.
What yarn, Darl? Is this invisible monomolecular yarn? Show me your yarn, or shut the fuck up...
What a putz.
SB
So....if Darl's grandmother switches to Linux....
Let the games begin.
SB
Displaying Microsoft logo.
With (apparently, from what I've seen) the gratuitous delay so the user doesn't miss it...
SB
Is it worth trying for slower systems (aka, my laptops, 200mhz and 233 mhz Pentium/PIIs)? Or does it only help in faster boxes?
I ask because my main systems stay up 24/7; but faster boot times on the laps would be nice
TIA
SB
Agreed on NFS, but DHCP times can vary quite a bit. I get very fast DHCP resolution at home, but when I go LAN against a friend of mine, his router sometimes takes 15-20 seconds to DHCP lease.
I'm not a DHCP guru, like you; I just know what I'm observing. He's observed the same thing, and is looking into a different router (and different cable setup, we're agreed that Fibercom may be the problem - I'm on midco - when he comes and plays here, he says the DHCP times are a lot short than what he experiences at home). We've observed bootup differentials of 30 sec += 15 seconds...
Any thoughts?
SB