So the system is working is proved by finding some random fool to pin a crime on? And its ok to violate due process and basic logic and reasoning just because the cops had a 1 in 1 billion shot at finding the suspect...?
I mean, this is a man that lives in New Orleans. Did they even check whether this person even came to Idaho? Has he ever been even close to Idaho?
Why did they come after him in the first place? Because they have no clue who did it and they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel. We all feel terrible about crimes like this and we all want to see the guilty suspect lynched, but I don't think finding people thousands of miles away who have never been to a certain locale are really suspects. They are the hail mary pass when every other option has been exhausted. How many times has this technique actually caught someone?
And that is the problem. There needs to be some probable cause to believe this guy could be a murderer. Not just an inkling that maybe its possible he might be.
95% of the public won't even remember this incident come election time. And odds are more people will end up voting for her since she has no records from when she was in Government service. Its kind of hard to paint the opposite side as bad or terrible when there is no absolutely zero record of what she actually did...and you can bet that her political operators will go out of the way to find embarassing stories about her opposition....
And so as most modern liberal candidates go, she will win simply because she voted present for long enough in the pillars of power.
That is what Obama has taught us anyway. The real route to power in this country is having no records except being present, and saying the right stuff while having a surplus of charisma....and than destroying your opposition through personal attack. The end result is that everyone who is elected is nothing short of a psychopath without any morality. Everyone else gets destroyed and has their friends and families targeted by political operators. What kind of normal person would knowingly subject such attacks to their own family and friends? Yep, you guessed it. Which is what we get as a country.
And so, while we think we have the right to select candidates and to elect who we want, the truth is that the media has already decided in most cases who will win based on what stories they publish and on which page.
The American experiment therefore is to see how well psychopaths can run a country. My guess is that it will last two generations before the people finally get fed up and string whoever is in power at that time up and we than have another revolution. It will happen eventually...
Maybe just maybe they think she should be punished for the laws that she broke as written above in the summary. Did you bother to read that before you started kissing the heck out of Hillary's backside?
You applaud Hillary for breaking the rules...good for you.
That is right, leaders shouldn't have to worry about rules like "accountability" and "morality" and "laws of the land" because that would get in the way of these tinpot dictators from doing what they wish. Couldn't have that in modern politics now, could we?
Nah, real leaders just break all the rules, murder their opposition and leave no trace to what they actually did. At least that is what you are saying. Maybe you used bad wording or such, but in the end the conclusion is the same...without accountability there is no way to make sure our leaders actually follow the same laws they put on the rest of us.
She is too powerful. Powerful people tend to dislike light shown on their actions, because than rational people will see how stupid they really are and pounce on their bad actions and their bad conclusions.
This is the same for politicians throughout history....
So yea, while there might be hidden emails on some Government server somewhere, do you really think they will ever see the light of day? She would have zero issues killing them in the streets to keep them from coming out if I had to guess and this is why this is the last time we will ever hear about "no emails and breaking the rules..."
Still no word to this day on the missing 6 billion from the state department during this time.
And good luck finding that. If its not in Switzerland under the account "H. Clinton" or "H. Rodnam" than its probably under the same accounts as numbers to her friends and family...
And yea, just like the Bush's and Obama's, the Clinton's are a rich political dynasty today where what really goes on will never be known and we can only guess based on evidence. More evidence is here that all of our politicians are nothing but psychopaths and would probably throw their own mothers under the bus for political power....
They should all be in jail. I don't think one person breaking the rules is excused by a third party doing the same. Unless you are trying to say that two wrongs do make a right?
You are glad that someone as seasoned at breaking the rules in technology is doing so? That sounds like a great thing to me. Here we go, here are more Government idiots who know how to use technology and will make sure that they have zero accountability! I am glad that the monkeys at the top finally learned the basics of interwebz 101 and know how to cover their tracks. We wouldn't want our Government officials to be held accountable now, would we?
Every scientist has ingrown bias. Someone pays their salary, and in order to keep their jobs, they have to make that person happy. Otherwise, that person is not by definition a professional scientist.
Just the same as anyone else. Whether its government grants or private funding, the money comes from an employer who is biased and wants certain results, and so the pressure is on the scientist to conform or wither away without funding. To think that any scientist is completely impartial is missing the most important part of being a professional scientist: that they are being paid. After that, what else is important? Attack the science itself if you call yourself a scientist, and if you are a political hack, attack the funding like is done here.
To say that one scientist who is funded by a private individual is anymore biased than scientists who are funded by Government is sloppy thinking at best that fails to recognize that science is a system without funding and without consensus in itself.
Agreement? not at all.
The only aspect in science we care about is logic and deduction, and 99.9% of the time when a scientist is not being attacked because of their actual science, its nothing but a political witch trial that cares only about its pound of flesh.
Real scientists for instance would never point to this guys source of funding as a form of bias. They would attack the science itself and go from there. But than again, this entire piece is a witch-hunt to destroy one man who disagrees with someone. Welcome to politics, where we do not follow the scientific method and where we insult others thinking we are doing the work of science.
You are correct, this will happen with or without Government involvement or not.
Political backing is only required in industries that can not win on their own and so require back-up funding to exist.
As for Google , I would suggest that self-driving 18 wheelers will probably be more useful than anything else, and so transportation for individuals other than the super rich will probably stay the same (as you say.) The people might see some taxi's in large cities that are self driving, as the cost for a 100k self driving car is roughly the same as a 30k car with a 70k human (benefits plus salary)....
I don't know personally, but it would seem fun to say bye bye to drinking and driving and never worry about that again. Just my two cents anyhow.
Here is the corollary to this for those who believe in CO2 catastrophe:
Never before in the history of our planet has CO2 increase lead to catastrophe or anything as bad as that is predicted by computer models. So in essence, my point is as follows:
If CO2 is not a driver of climate as suggested by paleo data going back millions and even billions of years, why do so many people believe that this "unprecedented" event is going to happen?
It takes a belief and faith that such a thing is going to happen. We can argue about computer models about the future climate and all sorts of things about them, but the main point I am trying to make is this:
What makes TODAY so special that the climate is suddenly going to go into an irreversitable tail-spin?
Yes, because this is obviously how science is done. You know, where beliefs trump empiricism and where instead of using the boring old scientific method we simply parrot what we believe as if it is sciency.
Ok, to be serious for just a moment, are you seriously telling us that its interesting what a bunch of idiot politicians believe? That idiot politicians beliefs on a science topic are actually relevant?
Probably, because the greens are nothing but modern day Amish in love with obsolete technology like wind power.
Nothing like being told by a hypocritical Amish idiot that I should "SACRIFICE" for their beliefs. Than again, why should I sacrifice today when the Amish themselves refuse to?
Sounds kind of funny that the fringe people who believe in the end of the world want everyone else to sacrifice first....
Kind of weird that such a doomsday cult exists today and that it consists mostly of atheists...kind of like humanity needs a belief system of some type and that if you take religion out of it, its just as nutty as religions are. Ironic perhaps.
Well than enlighten us about these "other studies" before you pontificate about the stupidity of others. Otherwise you look like a fool who has no clue.
I guess this "carbon problem" you talk about is not a big enough problem for you to personally inconvenience yourself, but you are more than happy to have Government inconvenience me for it? Sounds like someone who does not really think carbon is a problem after all.
Either that, or just another fascist who does not realize that he is one...
There are idiots in Government in every country. You need to do some more research on your own country and come up with your largest village idiots. I am willing to bet they are just as stupid as the morons we have in this country.
Yes, the NASA budget was increased for "climate change research" and other corrupt crap like that. For space exploration, not a penny was increased. Heck, NASA was given additional things like "make Muslims happy" because yes that is obviously what NASA should be doing.
Than, if you look at other Government agencies, you notice that 5 other Government agencies have their own climate change slush funds and that every agency that can get involved wants to. There is a lot of money up for grabs after all and what self-appreciating Government drone would NOT want billions in funding for something as comical as "climate change." Liberals lap that crap up like candy and will give away other people's money in a heartbeat to combat climate change. Just ask Al Gore who has made billions on climate change fear off of yes gullible liberals who believe his lies no matter how obtuse and irrational. Heck, most people can not even figure out who is crazier, whether its Al Gore or the unabomber...and yet look how close to the presidency that loon got? Pretty scary that it was hanging chads in the state of Florida that kept a bonified lunatic like Al Gore from being president.
Than again, the best question we should all be asking is : Why does our Government have five agencies all doing the same research on climate change? Perhaps because a large body like Government can not do things functionally well? Or that they can't do anything without repeating the work at five different locations so that slush funds can never be found?
Whichever it is, we should all recognize that NASA's budget is a joke that just never ends. Why should NOAA and NASA both repeat the same stupid ass research? And than you should realize that these organizations are not necesarily for the good of the people but rather for their own glory and for their own missions. Explore space? Screw that, what has NASA done that is truly phenomenal past the moon landings? The organization has become a joke and a slush fund for various fringe groups like greens who believe that the end of the world is nigh and these people are more than willing to use everyone else's money to solve that problem.
Funny ain't it? That the entire "lets have Government solve climate change" brigade never stops and realizes that instead of being rapid fascists who tell others what to do could go live like the Amish, live in a sustainable way and not use fossil fuels and they could honestly say they are part of the solution. But we never hear about that kind of nonsense either, because today half the country believes they have a right to tell others to pay more for electricity and to pay more in taxes so that Government can "solve a problem" that does not exist and which is ripe ground for billions and even trillions in public money to disappear down rat-holes of corrupt NGO's and into the pockets of every little bit con artist who just wants to make a buck on scaring the bejesus out of people.
Face it, we are all screwed because some genius *(American voters) decided years ago that the lunatics should be in charge of the asylum and while large systems like our Government will often grind forward through their own sheer momentum, this won't last and it won't last for long if the scandals keep pushing into the trillions of dollars like they are today. But yea, I am sure that the six billion that disappeared under Hillary Clinton's state department was money well spent, and we could all go on about both political parties and their sheer corruption, but the only thing that will stop it is the people themselves who will yes someday form a lynchmob and settle the problem once and for all. I just know one thing: I am glad I am no politician and that I am not the fool left holding the bag when the system collapses and the people institute a new Government themselves.
And may I ask how in the world you know how much oil and coal there is in this planet and how you know that the cheapest forms with new technology in 2500 are going to be exhausted?
Only a fool believes that New York City is going to be underwater by the year 2500. The only way that is even remotely possible is if humanity was to leave New York City and leave it to the oceans...and that is not going to happen.
The people who predict the big cities going underwater are uneducated idiots who have not looked at old historical photos of these same cities from 100 years ago. 100 years ago, the oceans and the rivers were much closer to the city center and somehow the land was expanded (especially in Manhatten). You see, man has this ability to move dirt around and change the elevation of low lying areas. The reason we typically build dams instead of doing that is that building dams is cheaper, but you never see that kind of discussion in "climate science" because that is an actual problem based in reality....
Or look at Miami...a swampland that was worthless until we dragged it.
No, its physically impossible for these cities to be left to the oceans even if ocean levels started rising faster than the slow crawl that is happening now. Look at New Orleans, or the Netherlands, you see man will adapt. It might be costly, but it will happen and those horror stories of the oceans smothering people to death are nothing but science fiction gone horribly wrong to scare gullible and stupid people alike into thinking there is a crisis.
Its all nonsense in the end.
Humans have adapted to changing sea levels for over 1000 years now. Yea, sea levels are increasing as to be expected during an interglacial. I am more scared personally of the end of the current interglacial when our planet goes back into an ice age and covers all of Canada and Russia and a good portion of other countries in glaciers. Try farming on a glacier. Try feeding a large industrialized civilization when icebergs are creeping closer to your big cities.
That is why I laugh at the horror stories caused by global warming. Rising seas? Please, at the rate its happening (not what the computer models tell us) is comically small and easily adapted to. Even the rising temperatures that we see from actual measurements are not scary and the last 15 years show us that warming has slowed down. Are we to be scared of "possibilities based on computer models"? Or do we look at the actual data and decide that this catastrophe is not going to happen and go back to adapting to changes in the climate system? I prefer adaptation because that is what humans are good at. Controlling the climate is just a fool's game and is something we are incapable of doing.
I am a troll because people do not agree with that point of view here.
Indeed, if we are going to teach children that "global warming is a fact" it would require something more substantial then, "Well we can not explain the warming we experienced from 1970 - 2000 and since we can not, it must have been due to man." And that is what they want to teach children in schools? That we can assume something without proof and just simple correlation and then tell children, well its caused by that when something we do not understand about our planet could just as likely be the reason for the warming from 1970-2000.
While you are at it, explain how CO2 levels went up from 1950-1970 and also from 2000-present and in both we did not warm...but heck we can not use that to teach children either...because that goes against the sham of a consensus...
The hockey stick is just the tip of the iceberg. What happened there is that certain tree rings were cherry picked to match up to what the scientists thought was the truth versus what actually happened. We have seen it with the yamal series and others. And posters below this obviously think that using the same faulty kind of science over and over confirms results? Nah, it just shows that if you do things the wrong way you will get the wrong result everytime.
-another logical fallacy on top of the one I was responding with, but that is neither here nor there.
There are a lot more Missouri towns then that which are pronounced differently. New Madrid is pronounced Mad rid and portageville, I won't even pronounce that here for ya, but there is hayti (hay TIE) but there is also blytheville (Arkansas) which is pronounced Blahville.
Heck, Rolla Missouri is pronounced like it sounds, but the town originally was supposed to be a copy of Raleigh, and see how they butchered both the spelling and how its pronounced....
But that is neither here nor there. The town of Peculiar for instance had its first two choices rejected because they already existed and if I remember correctly the postmaster told them they needed a more "Peculiar" name...and they took that.
The history of any state for that matter though is more about how people were just trying to figure out names for their towns and most of the time like the above people pronounced them differently due to cultural differences. (different accents) I mean think of it, who would name their town "Blytheville" in the first place? Every state has examples of that, and yes its stealing I guess, but isn't it said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?
Because stopping climate change requires rebuilding the energy infrastrcuture, which means that the oil and coal companies will lose money. Also, it will require either nuclear power or an absolutely enormous amounts of resources being permanently devoted to building and maintaining renewable power plants. Nuclear power is scary, and using enormous amounts of effort to maintain renewable power will mean far lowered quality of life for everyone (since that effort is removed from producing consumables).
Basically, climate change means that everyone who's in school now has nothing but misery to look forward to, either from trying to stop the change or from not stopping it. Also, fossil fuels are running out. Combine these two and there's precious little reason to bother graduating.
Are you seriously telling me that you have assumed all warming is going to be bad and will cause everyone to live in misery? And you are telling people to not bother graduating? Wow, that is quite pessimistic viewpoint. Since I do not claim to know the future, you might be right, but giving up on living now is probably going to ensure that you do not live that long....
Don't worry, the children will be fine, but if you keep listening to people preaching doom and gloom all the time with no science to back it up, you will probably just be depressed all the time. This is why we need to teach better science in schools and teach that facts are more important then emotional tirades on how the end of the world is coming. Stick to the facts and not emotional outbursts. The world will go on like it has regardless, and if we do warm, well we either adapt or die. That is evolution for you. (I guess I am assuming you believe in evolution...)
One person sees the glass half full, the other sees it half empty. You see a world that looks increasingly likely to be bleaker while I see a world that looks better and better with pollution levels going down and a world which looks better and is warming.
Its all a matter of perspective. But if we constantly tell children they are stupid and their parents are stupid, you are doing no good to helping matters. The children are neither stupid nor smart (same goes for parents.) (As GF says.) The problem is those who constantly tell people they are stupid and they have no hope in learning science. There is always hope to teach science, but the building blocks will never be there if people have this insane idea that they are smarter then anyone else and that most people are just stupid monkeys.
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I see you did not include actual figures. You just SPECULATE that the numbers are wrong.
So the system is working is proved by finding some random fool to pin a crime on? And its ok to violate due process and basic logic and reasoning just because the cops had a 1 in 1 billion shot at finding the suspect...?
I mean, this is a man that lives in New Orleans. Did they even check whether this person even came to Idaho? Has he ever been even close to Idaho?
Why did they come after him in the first place? Because they have no clue who did it and they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel. We all feel terrible about crimes like this and we all want to see the guilty suspect lynched, but I don't think finding people thousands of miles away who have never been to a certain locale are really suspects. They are the hail mary pass when every other option has been exhausted. How many times has this technique actually caught someone?
And that is the problem. There needs to be some probable cause to believe this guy could be a murderer. Not just an inkling that maybe its possible he might be.
What is truly said is how all of these topics are from actual "scientists".
i use that term loosely considering you can make bad assumptions anytime and not be a scientist, but go figure..
95% of the public won't even remember this incident come election time. And odds are more people will end up voting for her since she has no records from when she was in Government service. Its kind of hard to paint the opposite side as bad or terrible when there is no absolutely zero record of what she actually did...and you can bet that her political operators will go out of the way to find embarassing stories about her opposition....
And so as most modern liberal candidates go, she will win simply because she voted present for long enough in the pillars of power.
That is what Obama has taught us anyway. The real route to power in this country is having no records except being present, and saying the right stuff while having a surplus of charisma....and than destroying your opposition through personal attack. The end result is that everyone who is elected is nothing short of a psychopath without any morality. Everyone else gets destroyed and has their friends and families targeted by political operators. What kind of normal person would knowingly subject such attacks to their own family and friends? Yep, you guessed it. Which is what we get as a country.
And so, while we think we have the right to select candidates and to elect who we want, the truth is that the media has already decided in most cases who will win based on what stories they publish and on which page.
The American experiment therefore is to see how well psychopaths can run a country. My guess is that it will last two generations before the people finally get fed up and string whoever is in power at that time up and we than have another revolution. It will happen eventually...
Maybe just maybe they think she should be punished for the laws that she broke as written above in the summary. Did you bother to read that before you started kissing the heck out of Hillary's backside?
You applaud Hillary for breaking the rules...good for you.
That is right, leaders shouldn't have to worry about rules like "accountability" and "morality" and "laws of the land" because that would get in the way of these tinpot dictators from doing what they wish. Couldn't have that in modern politics now, could we?
Nah, real leaders just break all the rules, murder their opposition and leave no trace to what they actually did. At least that is what you are saying. Maybe you used bad wording or such, but in the end the conclusion is the same...without accountability there is no way to make sure our leaders actually follow the same laws they put on the rest of us.
She is too powerful. Powerful people tend to dislike light shown on their actions, because than rational people will see how stupid they really are and pounce on their bad actions and their bad conclusions.
This is the same for politicians throughout history....
So yea, while there might be hidden emails on some Government server somewhere, do you really think they will ever see the light of day? She would have zero issues killing them in the streets to keep them from coming out if I had to guess and this is why this is the last time we will ever hear about "no emails and breaking the rules..."
Still no word to this day on the missing 6 billion from the state department during this time.
And good luck finding that. If its not in Switzerland under the account "H. Clinton" or "H. Rodnam" than its probably under the same accounts as numbers to her friends and family...
And yea, just like the Bush's and Obama's, the Clinton's are a rich political dynasty today where what really goes on will never be known and we can only guess based on evidence. More evidence is here that all of our politicians are nothing but psychopaths and would probably throw their own mothers under the bus for political power....
They should all be in jail. I don't think one person breaking the rules is excused by a third party doing the same. Unless you are trying to say that two wrongs do make a right?
You are glad that someone as seasoned at breaking the rules in technology is doing so? That sounds like a great thing to me. Here we go, here are more Government idiots who know how to use technology and will make sure that they have zero accountability! I am glad that the monkeys at the top finally learned the basics of interwebz 101 and know how to cover their tracks. We wouldn't want our Government officials to be held accountable now, would we?
Every scientist has ingrown bias. Someone pays their salary, and in order to keep their jobs, they have to make that person happy. Otherwise, that person is not by definition a professional scientist.
Just the same as anyone else. Whether its government grants or private funding, the money comes from an employer who is biased and wants certain results, and so the pressure is on the scientist to conform or wither away without funding. To think that any scientist is completely impartial is missing the most important part of being a professional scientist: that they are being paid. After that, what else is important? Attack the science itself if you call yourself a scientist, and if you are a political hack, attack the funding like is done here.
To say that one scientist who is funded by a private individual is anymore biased than scientists who are funded by Government is sloppy thinking at best that fails to recognize that science is a system without funding and without consensus in itself.
Agreement? not at all.
The only aspect in science we care about is logic and deduction, and 99.9% of the time when a scientist is not being attacked because of their actual science, its nothing but a political witch trial that cares only about its pound of flesh.
Real scientists for instance would never point to this guys source of funding as a form of bias. They would attack the science itself and go from there. But than again, this entire piece is a witch-hunt to destroy one man who disagrees with someone. Welcome to politics, where we do not follow the scientific method and where we insult others thinking we are doing the work of science.
Is this the same Al Gore who goes around on his personal jet and has the carbon footprint of a small nation?
That is the same man we should listen to?
The man who tells us that the seas are going to rise and destroy our coastlines and than owns a beach-side mansion?
You are correct, this will happen with or without Government involvement or not.
Political backing is only required in industries that can not win on their own and so require back-up funding to exist.
As for Google , I would suggest that self-driving 18 wheelers will probably be more useful than anything else, and so transportation for individuals other than the super rich will probably stay the same (as you say.) The people might see some taxi's in large cities that are self driving, as the cost for a 100k self driving car is roughly the same as a 30k car with a 70k human (benefits plus salary)....
I don't know personally, but it would seem fun to say bye bye to drinking and driving and never worry about that again. Just my two cents anyhow.
Here is the corollary to this for those who believe in CO2 catastrophe:
Never before in the history of our planet has CO2 increase lead to catastrophe or anything as bad as that is predicted by computer models. So in essence, my point is as follows:
If CO2 is not a driver of climate as suggested by paleo data going back millions and even billions of years, why do so many people believe that this "unprecedented" event is going to happen?
It takes a belief and faith that such a thing is going to happen. We can argue about computer models about the future climate and all sorts of things about them, but the main point I am trying to make is this:
What makes TODAY so special that the climate is suddenly going to go into an irreversitable tail-spin?
Yes, because this is obviously how science is done. You know, where beliefs trump empiricism and where instead of using the boring old scientific method we simply parrot what we believe as if it is sciency.
Ok, to be serious for just a moment, are you seriously telling us that its interesting what a bunch of idiot politicians believe? That idiot politicians beliefs on a science topic are actually relevant?
Probably, because the greens are nothing but modern day Amish in love with obsolete technology like wind power.
Nothing like being told by a hypocritical Amish idiot that I should "SACRIFICE" for their beliefs. Than again, why should I sacrifice today when the Amish themselves refuse to?
Sounds kind of funny that the fringe people who believe in the end of the world want everyone else to sacrifice first....
Kind of weird that such a doomsday cult exists today and that it consists mostly of atheists...kind of like humanity needs a belief system of some type and that if you take religion out of it, its just as nutty as religions are. Ironic perhaps.
Well than enlighten us about these "other studies" before you pontificate about the stupidity of others. Otherwise you look like a fool who has no clue.
I guess this "carbon problem" you talk about is not a big enough problem for you to personally inconvenience yourself, but you are more than happy to have Government inconvenience me for it? Sounds like someone who does not really think carbon is a problem after all.
Either that, or just another fascist who does not realize that he is one...
There are idiots in Government in every country. You need to do some more research on your own country and come up with your largest village idiots. I am willing to bet they are just as stupid as the morons we have in this country.
Yes, the NASA budget was increased for "climate change research" and other corrupt crap like that. For space exploration, not a penny was increased. Heck, NASA was given additional things like "make Muslims happy" because yes that is obviously what NASA should be doing.
Than, if you look at other Government agencies, you notice that 5 other Government agencies have their own climate change slush funds and that every agency that can get involved wants to. There is a lot of money up for grabs after all and what self-appreciating Government drone would NOT want billions in funding for something as comical as "climate change." Liberals lap that crap up like candy and will give away other people's money in a heartbeat to combat climate change. Just ask Al Gore who has made billions on climate change fear off of yes gullible liberals who believe his lies no matter how obtuse and irrational. Heck, most people can not even figure out who is crazier, whether its Al Gore or the unabomber...and yet look how close to the presidency that loon got? Pretty scary that it was hanging chads in the state of Florida that kept a bonified lunatic like Al Gore from being president.
Than again, the best question we should all be asking is : Why does our Government have five agencies all doing the same research on climate change? Perhaps because a large body like Government can not do things functionally well? Or that they can't do anything without repeating the work at five different locations so that slush funds can never be found?
Whichever it is, we should all recognize that NASA's budget is a joke that just never ends. Why should NOAA and NASA both repeat the same stupid ass research? And than you should realize that these organizations are not necesarily for the good of the people but rather for their own glory and for their own missions. Explore space? Screw that, what has NASA done that is truly phenomenal past the moon landings? The organization has become a joke and a slush fund for various fringe groups like greens who believe that the end of the world is nigh and these people are more than willing to use everyone else's money to solve that problem.
Funny ain't it? That the entire "lets have Government solve climate change" brigade never stops and realizes that instead of being rapid fascists who tell others what to do could go live like the Amish, live in a sustainable way and not use fossil fuels and they could honestly say they are part of the solution. But we never hear about that kind of nonsense either, because today half the country believes they have a right to tell others to pay more for electricity and to pay more in taxes so that Government can "solve a problem" that does not exist and which is ripe ground for billions and even trillions in public money to disappear down rat-holes of corrupt NGO's and into the pockets of every little bit con artist who just wants to make a buck on scaring the bejesus out of people.
Face it, we are all screwed because some genius *(American voters) decided years ago that the lunatics should be in charge of the asylum and while large systems like our Government will often grind forward through their own sheer momentum, this won't last and it won't last for long if the scandals keep pushing into the trillions of dollars like they are today. But yea, I am sure that the six billion that disappeared under Hillary Clinton's state department was money well spent, and we could all go on about both political parties and their sheer corruption, but the only thing that will stop it is the people themselves who will yes someday form a lynchmob and settle the problem once and for all. I just know one thing: I am glad I am no politician and that I am not the fool left holding the bag when the system collapses and the people institute a new Government themselves.
And may I ask how in the world you know how much oil and coal there is in this planet and how you know that the cheapest forms with new technology in 2500 are going to be exhausted?
Guessing out of your backside you are.
Only a fool believes that New York City is going to be underwater by the year 2500. The only way that is even remotely possible is if humanity was to leave New York City and leave it to the oceans...and that is not going to happen.
The people who predict the big cities going underwater are uneducated idiots who have not looked at old historical photos of these same cities from 100 years ago. 100 years ago, the oceans and the rivers were much closer to the city center and somehow the land was expanded (especially in Manhatten). You see, man has this ability to move dirt around and change the elevation of low lying areas. The reason we typically build dams instead of doing that is that building dams is cheaper, but you never see that kind of discussion in "climate science" because that is an actual problem based in reality....
Or look at Miami...a swampland that was worthless until we dragged it.
No, its physically impossible for these cities to be left to the oceans even if ocean levels started rising faster than the slow crawl that is happening now. Look at New Orleans, or the Netherlands, you see man will adapt. It might be costly, but it will happen and those horror stories of the oceans smothering people to death are nothing but science fiction gone horribly wrong to scare gullible and stupid people alike into thinking there is a crisis.
Its all nonsense in the end.
Humans have adapted to changing sea levels for over 1000 years now. Yea, sea levels are increasing as to be expected during an interglacial. I am more scared personally of the end of the current interglacial when our planet goes back into an ice age and covers all of Canada and Russia and a good portion of other countries in glaciers. Try farming on a glacier. Try feeding a large industrialized civilization when icebergs are creeping closer to your big cities.
That is why I laugh at the horror stories caused by global warming. Rising seas? Please, at the rate its happening (not what the computer models tell us) is comically small and easily adapted to. Even the rising temperatures that we see from actual measurements are not scary and the last 15 years show us that warming has slowed down. Are we to be scared of "possibilities based on computer models"? Or do we look at the actual data and decide that this catastrophe is not going to happen and go back to adapting to changes in the climate system? I prefer adaptation because that is what humans are good at. Controlling the climate is just a fool's game and is something we are incapable of doing.
I am a troll because people do not agree with that point of view here.
Indeed, if we are going to teach children that "global warming is a fact" it would require something more substantial then, "Well we can not explain the warming we experienced from 1970 - 2000 and since we can not, it must have been due to man." And that is what they want to teach children in schools? That we can assume something without proof and just simple correlation and then tell children, well its caused by that when something we do not understand about our planet could just as likely be the reason for the warming from 1970-2000.
While you are at it, explain how CO2 levels went up from 1950-1970 and also from 2000-present and in both we did not warm...but heck we can not use that to teach children either...because that goes against the sham of a consensus...
The hockey stick is just the tip of the iceberg. What happened there is that certain tree rings were cherry picked to match up to what the scientists thought was the truth versus what actually happened. We have seen it with the yamal series and others. And posters below this obviously think that using the same faulty kind of science over and over confirms results? Nah, it just shows that if you do things the wrong way you will get the wrong result everytime.
-another logical fallacy on top of the one I was responding with, but that is neither here nor there.
There are a lot more Missouri towns then that which are pronounced differently. New Madrid is pronounced Mad rid and portageville, I won't even pronounce that here for ya, but there is hayti (hay TIE) but there is also blytheville (Arkansas) which is pronounced Blahville.
Heck, Rolla Missouri is pronounced like it sounds, but the town originally was supposed to be a copy of Raleigh, and see how they butchered both the spelling and how its pronounced....
But that is neither here nor there. The town of Peculiar for instance had its first two choices rejected because they already existed and if I remember correctly the postmaster told them they needed a more "Peculiar" name...and they took that.
The history of any state for that matter though is more about how people were just trying to figure out names for their towns and most of the time like the above people pronounced them differently due to cultural differences. (different accents) I mean think of it, who would name their town "Blytheville" in the first place? Every state has examples of that, and yes its stealing I guess, but isn't it said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?
Because stopping climate change requires rebuilding the energy infrastrcuture, which means that the oil and coal companies will lose money. Also, it will require either nuclear power or an absolutely enormous amounts of resources being permanently devoted to building and maintaining renewable power plants. Nuclear power is scary, and using enormous amounts of effort to maintain renewable power will mean far lowered quality of life for everyone (since that effort is removed from producing consumables).
Basically, climate change means that everyone who's in school now has nothing but misery to look forward to, either from trying to stop the change or from not stopping it. Also, fossil fuels are running out. Combine these two and there's precious little reason to bother graduating.
Are you seriously telling me that you have assumed all warming is going to be bad and will cause everyone to live in misery? And you are telling people to not bother graduating? Wow, that is quite pessimistic viewpoint. Since I do not claim to know the future, you might be right, but giving up on living now is probably going to ensure that you do not live that long....
As for the science, I guess you read a little too much of Bill McGuire: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/9312347/Hay-Festival-2012-Government-adviser-Bill-McGuire-says-global-warming-is-causing-earthquakes-and-landslides.html
Don't worry, the children will be fine, but if you keep listening to people preaching doom and gloom all the time with no science to back it up, you will probably just be depressed all the time. This is why we need to teach better science in schools and teach that facts are more important then emotional tirades on how the end of the world is coming. Stick to the facts and not emotional outbursts. The world will go on like it has regardless, and if we do warm, well we either adapt or die. That is evolution for you. (I guess I am assuming you believe in evolution...)
One person sees the glass half full, the other sees it half empty. You see a world that looks increasingly likely to be bleaker while I see a world that looks better and better with pollution levels going down and a world which looks better and is warming.
Its all a matter of perspective. But if we constantly tell children they are stupid and their parents are stupid, you are doing no good to helping matters. The children are neither stupid nor smart (same goes for parents.) (As GF says.) The problem is those who constantly tell people they are stupid and they have no hope in learning science. There is always hope to teach science, but the building blocks will never be there if people have this insane idea that they are smarter then anyone else and that most people are just stupid monkeys.