"and show no signs of stopping or even slowing down." Really? Because last time I checked every year the birth rate has gone down in the US and other developed countries.
"The largest wild population of large mammals besides humans is the wildebeest" We are talking in the last 20 years right? Because buffalo do not seem to factor into your decisions. Or other mammals which failed to over-run the "carrying capacity of the environment". I put that in quotes because that is a theory, never proven that its possible.
"When my nephew was born it was said that there were so many fish that humans would never be able to endanger any common species, now many fisheries have had to be limited or closed to keep them from total collapse." And so we have to start farms for fish so that they do not go extinct, and so we may continue to eat them? Whats your point again?
"When my dad was young he was told that there was so much fresh water that we would never make a dent in the supplies. A few years later the Cuyahoga River caught fire and Lake Erie was declared dead."
One word: Desalination. Since water never leaves our planet, we now have an infinite supply of fresh water. You can thank me by mailing me a check for solving water conservation issues with one word. Now the only problem we have with fresh water, is getting it to where its needed...
"Two years after my teacher told us that the dangers of CFCs to the ozone layer was discovered." Really, you are going to bring a dead issue up to support your conclusions? Ozone layer is last decade's news. But I will bring it up again later just for you.
"When my grandfather was young he was told that the forests were inexhaustible."
And so they are. Today all of our paper is made from lumber farms which are regrown so that there is basically an infinite supply of lumber. Although, I have no issues with recycling if you want to. Aluminum is very cost-efficient in this regard, and other rares metals might someday become rare and cost-efficient as well. If not, I am sure the owners of land-fills will make a tidy profit when we start mining those. You see, you forget about humanity and our accomplishments when you simply look at the negative. Whenever we reach a difficult point in our history, there are those who cry about how terrible things are, and there are those who face reality and do what is needed to solve the problems.
But let me tell you my story:
I was told by my mother...that the world was supposed to suffer severe hunger, disease, and wars in the late 1980's because of over-population that would make the world's population reach over four billion which would result in calamity.
My teachers in the early 90's told me that the Earth could not sustain five billion and if we reached that magical number our world would suffer hunger, disease and wars which would decimate our world. In the late 90's my high school teachers told me the Earth could not sustain six billion people and if we reached that number humanity would suffer from hunger, disease, wars AND skin cancer because of the ozone layer being destroyed.
Today, I hear from you talking about how the Earth can not sustain any more humans. Why should I believe you?
Your heritage seems to be oh Woe is ME! How terrible humanity is. I for one am proud of my heritage and humanity. We solve our environmental problems as best as we can. Is there any other way to do it? Why aren't you proud of this fact? We have to face our past, learn from those mistakes and move on in order to accomplish anything worthwhile in this life. By calling anyone stupid who disagrees with your beliefs, you are making the same mistakes as your ancestors. They also had their religious beliefs and called anyone who didn't believe like them pagans, witches, or worse. Move past that, and face reality.
One issue, after 100 years or so (it depends on type of tree, the ecosystem of the area, etc)...the tree you plant will reach equilibrium with its ecosystem and will stop sequestering carbon so to speak. This doesn't mean this is a terrible idea, but at best its a stop-gap until better technology comes along. Take the amazon for example. The virgin rain forests are no longer sequestering more carbon then the local ecosystem is putting back into the system. Its in equilibrium.
Denialists huh? Well I have a term for people who BELIEVE in global warming...its called religion. Anyone not believing is a heretic and should be tried for war crimes. Don't believe me? Go look up some documentation on Dr. Hansen.
If anything, the SKEPTICS are for increased funding of climate and weather data. If you even spent 10 minutes on any web page that told you the other side of the story instead of sprouting rhetoric you would know skeptics believe in further scientific study of the climate (done right) as opposed to a peer review process that is broken as according to the climate-gate emails. Not to mention the throwing anyone who doesn't believe out of climate science, broken models, bad tricks to cover up anything contrary to the religion...just spend 10 minute researching and you will find out that its not the skeptics who don't want funding for climate study. We want funding for climate studies that do not suck Mr. Gores Penis.
TFA says they simply banned them from google adds. Don't worry, you can still surf for pron on google and such. Just don't go do illegal searching now!
"And even then there was little fear of that: the Northern government established a fort, with clear intent to threaten the South militarily, before the South did anything but talk. "
You should really get your history straight.
For one:
Fort Sumter was built after the War of 1812, not to antagonize the South, and the battle erupted over resupplying the fort. To top that off, the South fired first...... And to set the record straight, the MAIN cause of the Civil War might have been state's rights, but slavery was still an issue no matter what you want to say. If it was a non-issue like you claim, why would the election of an abolitionist set the South off?
Slavery was the straw that broke the camel's back.
And for your results, you forget what this did to state's rights. This is where a lot of people today argue that in order to prevent secession in the future, the federal government took too much power away from the states...balance of power was inherent in the Constitution...
And no matter what you want to claim, the Supreme Court has always been made to trump EVERY other court even state's decisions. Of course they can say something is constitutional. That is what they do every-time they rule that something is not un-constitutional. Double negative there... I know its confusing...
And when China beats us to Mars because they don't squabble and turn their version of NASA into a political game ran by lawyers (Obama and such)..?
And when they beat us to making a permanent colony on the moon, Mars, and in the asteroid belt and start profiting from it?
When does the politics end and the science begin? All I hear is lofty idealism from Obama on going to Mars, with no clear path on how to do it. We can sit here on Earth for all he cares because as a politician all he knows is how to talk rhetoric.
I want to hear your ideas on how China's R&D will benefit us....because frankly I am confused on how that will work. Will they simply hand us over their rocket designs for us to use? I seriously doubt that. You think their technology is going to be released to us?
What, you mean flying on my own personal jet, buying beachfront property and telling people that the sea is going to rise above my new villa, and telling everyone how they HAVE to live for the Earth to survive is being a hypocrite?
But I bought indulgances man...its gotta be good.
Can I go hug some trees, I don't want to chop anymore down for proxies because we all know the sky is falling, no need to further study something that will disrupt up to 20% of the economy...science is settled I tell ya.
Also, we shouldn't nuke, because we might kill one fish or something, and cause cancer in everyone worldwide because nukes are bad and the science tells us that cancer increases due to everything we do. Sky is falling man...
What revenue for Slashdot? Some of us turned off those ads a long time ago. If you actually contributed to slashdot, you wouldn't be giving them ad revenue! (-;
Now I do have to agree on the flame war, what would slashdot be without flamewars?
All of us guys are screwed. We already have problems with blood-flow to one brain when a sexy women walks into the room. What happens to both of our heads when the two-headed women walks into the room and we randomly have the thought "what could she do with TWO mouths..."
Peer-review is not supposed to be the end of science. But in global warming we hear "Consensus! Peer-reviewed!" But that is besides the point.
Even saying that, the IPCC WG4 has only 70% of its references from peer-reviewed sources. And even if that is not enough...
Science is supposed to be duplicated and experimented with and replicated before its set in stone as solid. Global warming from greenhouse gases is set in stone. The amount this is warming the Earth is NOT. Feedback effects and factors are not set in stone. This is still being studied.
And when this science is making decisions that will effect every nation in the world, the litmus test must be that much higher. Even one mistake is cause to look it over in detail simply because so much money is involved in the end. Did you know that Al Gore's company that sells carbon credits is worth 3 billion dollars? Propaganda exists on both sides of this argument whether you want to believe it or not.
I will take the leftovers and leave you with the actual chemicals and munitions. Obviously judging from your apparent lack of common sense you have already suffered from those diseases.....Sorry about that, guess we got a little carried away in the Great War....
Can you blame us Yanks? After all, we saved your asses twice from those evil German Rulers and liberated you in the name of Spain..err I mean US!! I swear, we 'liberated' you..
Ares/Constellation was attempting to create a new 'modern' rocket versus 1970's technology. You can't simply take new technology, strap it together with a rocket and watch it fly to space and back. This takes time and money. The fact that Neil Armstrong rarely speaks out should say more about what he thinks then anything else. Maybe he does have some support for his employer, but that is besides the point when he very rarely speaks out.
Rocket science is difficult for a reason....and the reason we won't get to the asteroid belt in our lifetimes is because we have politicians who are not visionary and can only think up to 3 months in the future. We do not have a JFK in office to make goals and follow through on them. Say what you want about our current president and previous presidents, none of them has invested what is required to have NASA seriously content to explore like it is intended.
I am not arguing that commercial is not the way to go...its just that any commercial venture will have the same issues with rockets that NASA does. Until we have the technology to escape the gravity well of Earth reliably, space flight is an expensive luxury at best...and more then likely we will end up sinking just as much money in some commercial company as we would into NASA.
you can kill yourself on 9 volts believe it or not, its not the voltage, but the amperage which does the damage.
voltage is often higher in higher amperage delivery systems, and therefore that is why this confusion generally exists. I know you aren't saying otherwise, but shrug, it can't be said enough in my opinion.
If someone did "lick the connectors" on this baby when it was fully charged, well use your imagination, but it could very well just shock them to the ground, but that is the best case scenario. As a rule, its a very bad idea to complete a circuit on batteries larger then D's. Your laptop battery will probably just shock you badly, or maybe just make you twitch and let go (I am just guessing because I wouldn't try it...)....the car battery...well we all know how that can kill people and how it does indeed kill a number of people every year.
Sodium and water true, but that would require the battery to shed its compartment or no longer be sealed, which more then likely would happen on the inside and would release all the energy at once, which to me would probably cause more problems then water getting in there...
1) You do the same thing in automatics, automatics have gears that you can change just without the clutch. I lost traction in a brand new dealer loaner because the traction control would not let me accelerate when I was stuck in ice (I know how to drive in ice) Instead of just sitting there like an idiot, I downshifted, turned off the traction control and pulled out onto the street without causing an accident to people on the street I was turning into, or behind me on the hill watching as I slid backwards because of the nice traction control.
2) Same thing if you really want to....But I don't see the point. I did drive a car with OD for a bit (When I was a little younger) and it was nice to engage that and just watch the RPM's rip upwards and have some fun.
3) I had the brakes fail once on my car (That is auto) and I used the downshifting technique to slow myself down and gradual usage of the parking break to stop. I use engine breaking a lot just to practice in case something like that ever happens again.
4) That is up to debate, I rather enjoy being able to drive an auto like a manual and at the same time not have to worry about sliding backwards into someone because I am not paying attention at a stoplight. I have seen lots of people in manuals do this, and it just irks me that these people drive cars they don't know how to use.
In the end, you can do a lot of the same things in an automatic...I just prefer automatic because if I am out with friends and I want to get drunk and I was driving, I can ask someone else to DD and not worry about him not being able to drive my car and perhaps ruin the clutch... Also I can let others borrow my cars if they need to without worrying about the clutch or the car...
Lets face it, I do agree more people who drive manuals are better at driving, but that does not mean all of us automatic drivers are terrible at driving...
Everyone throws out the term "natural" like it means anything. There are plenty of "natural" stuff in the environment that will kill you if you ingest it....and there are plenty of artificial things that are healthy for you.
I don't even think this is an argument someone can really make, its all in what the food actually does for you that means anything.
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OK, here are your peer-reviewed science papers.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html
What is wrong with teachers using that science for their classrooms?
"and show no signs of stopping or even slowing down." Really? Because last time I checked every year the birth rate has gone down in the US and other developed countries.
"The largest wild population of large mammals besides humans is the wildebeest" We are talking in the last 20 years right? Because buffalo do not seem to factor into your decisions. Or other mammals which failed to over-run the "carrying capacity of the environment". I put that in quotes because that is a theory, never proven that its possible.
"When my nephew was born it was said that there were so many fish that humans would never be able to endanger any common species, now many fisheries have had to be limited or closed to keep them from total collapse." And so we have to start farms for fish so that they do not go extinct, and so we may continue to eat them? Whats your point again?
"When my dad was young he was told that there was so much fresh water that we would never make a dent in the supplies. A few years later the Cuyahoga River caught fire and Lake Erie was declared dead."
One word: Desalination. Since water never leaves our planet, we now have an infinite supply of fresh water. You can thank me by mailing me a check for solving water conservation issues with one word. Now the only problem we have with fresh water, is getting it to where its needed...
"Two years after my teacher told us that the dangers of CFCs to the ozone layer was discovered."
Really, you are going to bring a dead issue up to support your conclusions? Ozone layer is last decade's news. But I will bring it up again later just for you.
"When my grandfather was young he was told that the forests were inexhaustible."
And so they are. Today all of our paper is made from lumber farms which are regrown so that there is basically an infinite supply of lumber. Although, I have no issues with recycling if you want to. Aluminum is very cost-efficient in this regard, and other rares metals might someday become rare and cost-efficient as well. If not, I am sure the owners of land-fills will make a tidy profit when we start mining those. You see, you forget about humanity and our accomplishments when you simply look at the negative. Whenever we reach a difficult point in our history, there are those who cry about how terrible things are, and there are those who face reality and do what is needed to solve the problems.
But let me tell you my story:
I was told by my mother...that the world was supposed to suffer severe hunger, disease, and wars in the late 1980's because of over-population that would make the world's population reach over four billion which would result in calamity.
My teachers in the early 90's told me that the Earth could not sustain five billion and if we reached that magical number our world would suffer hunger, disease and wars which would decimate our world. In the late 90's my high school teachers told me the Earth could not sustain six billion people and if we reached that number humanity would suffer from hunger, disease, wars AND skin cancer because of the ozone layer being destroyed.
Today, I hear from you talking about how the Earth can not sustain any more humans. Why should I believe you?
Your heritage seems to be oh Woe is ME! How terrible humanity is. I for one am proud of my heritage and humanity. We solve our environmental problems as best as we can. Is there any other way to do it? Why aren't you proud of this fact? We have to face our past, learn from those mistakes and move on in order to accomplish anything worthwhile in this life. By calling anyone stupid who disagrees with your beliefs, you are making the same mistakes as your ancestors. They also had their religious beliefs and called anyone who didn't believe like them pagans, witches, or worse. Move past that, and face reality.
One issue, after 100 years or so (it depends on type of tree, the ecosystem of the area, etc)...the tree you plant will reach equilibrium with its ecosystem and will stop sequestering carbon so to speak. This doesn't mean this is a terrible idea, but at best its a stop-gap until better technology comes along. Take the amazon for example. The virgin rain forests are no longer sequestering more carbon then the local ecosystem is putting back into the system. Its in equilibrium.
Denialists huh? Well I have a term for people who BELIEVE in global warming...its called religion. Anyone not believing is a heretic and should be tried for war crimes. Don't believe me? Go look up some documentation on Dr. Hansen.
If anything, the SKEPTICS are for increased funding of climate and weather data. If you even spent 10 minutes on any web page that told you the other side of the story instead of sprouting rhetoric you would know skeptics believe in further scientific study of the climate (done right) as opposed to a peer review process that is broken as according to the climate-gate emails. Not to mention the throwing anyone who doesn't believe out of climate science, broken models, bad tricks to cover up anything contrary to the religion...just spend 10 minute researching and you will find out that its not the skeptics who don't want funding for climate study. We want funding for climate studies that do not suck Mr. Gores Penis.
TFA says they simply banned them from google adds. Don't worry, you can still surf for pron on google and such. Just don't go do illegal searching now!
hey, if your daddy passed away or left you, even your mommy needs love...think of her happiness you insensitive clod!
"And even then there was little fear of that: the Northern government established a fort, with clear intent to threaten the South militarily, before the South did anything but talk. "
You should really get your history straight.
For one:
Fort Sumter was built after the War of 1812, not to antagonize the South, and the battle erupted over resupplying the fort. To top that off, the South fired first...... And to set the record straight, the MAIN cause of the Civil War might have been state's rights, but slavery was still an issue no matter what you want to say. If it was a non-issue like you claim, why would the election of an abolitionist set the South off?
Slavery was the straw that broke the camel's back.
And for your results, you forget what this did to state's rights. This is where a lot of people today argue that in order to prevent secession in the future, the federal government took too much power away from the states...balance of power was inherent in the Constitution...
And no matter what you want to claim, the Supreme Court has always been made to trump EVERY other court even state's decisions. Of course they can say something is constitutional. That is what they do every-time they rule that something is not un-constitutional. Double negative there... I know its confusing...
aye, Grand Theft Auto allows you to do most of those things, although in GTA you would just have to guess who the grieving widow is.
"He used to"
Key words. K thanks.
And when China beats us to Mars because they don't squabble and turn their version of NASA into a political game ran by lawyers (Obama and such)..?
And when they beat us to making a permanent colony on the moon, Mars, and in the asteroid belt and start profiting from it?
When does the politics end and the science begin? All I hear is lofty idealism from Obama on going to Mars, with no clear path on how to do it. We can sit here on Earth for all he cares because as a politician all he knows is how to talk rhetoric.
I want to hear your ideas on how China's R&D will benefit us....because frankly I am confused on how that will work. Will they simply hand us over their rocket designs for us to use? I seriously doubt that. You think their technology is going to be released to us?
What, you mean flying on my own personal jet, buying beachfront property and telling people that the sea is going to rise above my new villa, and telling everyone how they HAVE to live for the Earth to survive is being a hypocrite?
But I bought indulgances man...its gotta be good.
Can I go hug some trees, I don't want to chop anymore down for proxies because we all know the sky is falling, no need to further study something that will disrupt up to 20% of the economy...science is settled I tell ya.
Also, we shouldn't nuke, because we might kill one fish or something, and cause cancer in everyone worldwide because nukes are bad and the science tells us that cancer increases due to everything we do. Sky is falling man...
That means nothing, what are her "positions" on vibrator technology? This is what is important and what is news for nerds.
What revenue for Slashdot? Some of us turned off those ads a long time ago. If you actually contributed to slashdot, you wouldn't be giving them ad revenue! (-;
Now I do have to agree on the flame war, what would slashdot be without flamewars?
girls in bikinis is porn....
Lets get it right at least.
I will say it out loud! NO
All of us guys are screwed. We already have problems with blood-flow to one brain when a sexy women walks into the room. What happens to both of our heads when the two-headed women walks into the room and we randomly have the thought "what could she do with TWO mouths..."
We are screwed...
slash-dotters won't admit it, but a majority of them second your comment.
Peer-review is not supposed to be the end of science. But in global warming we hear "Consensus! Peer-reviewed!" But that is besides the point.
Even saying that, the IPCC WG4 has only 70% of its references from peer-reviewed sources. And even if that is not enough...
Science is supposed to be duplicated and experimented with and replicated before its set in stone as solid. Global warming from greenhouse gases is set in stone. The amount this is warming the Earth is NOT. Feedback effects and factors are not set in stone. This is still being studied.
And when this science is making decisions that will effect every nation in the world, the litmus test must be that much higher. Even one mistake is cause to look it over in detail simply because so much money is involved in the end. Did you know that Al Gore's company that sells carbon credits is worth 3 billion dollars? Propaganda exists on both sides of this argument whether you want to believe it or not.
I will take the leftovers and leave you with the actual chemicals and munitions. Obviously judging from your apparent lack of common sense you have already suffered from those diseases.....Sorry about that, guess we got a little carried away in the Great War....
Can you blame us Yanks? After all, we saved your asses twice from those evil German Rulers and liberated you in the name of Spain..err I mean US!! I swear, we 'liberated' you..
Ares/Constellation was attempting to create a new 'modern' rocket versus 1970's technology. You can't simply take new technology, strap it together with a rocket and watch it fly to space and back. This takes time and money. The fact that Neil Armstrong rarely speaks out should say more about what he thinks then anything else. Maybe he does have some support for his employer, but that is besides the point when he very rarely speaks out.
Rocket science is difficult for a reason....and the reason we won't get to the asteroid belt in our lifetimes is because we have politicians who are not visionary and can only think up to 3 months in the future. We do not have a JFK in office to make goals and follow through on them. Say what you want about our current president and previous presidents, none of them has invested what is required to have NASA seriously content to explore like it is intended.
I am not arguing that commercial is not the way to go...its just that any commercial venture will have the same issues with rockets that NASA does. Until we have the technology to escape the gravity well of Earth reliably, space flight is an expensive luxury at best...and more then likely we will end up sinking just as much money in some commercial company as we would into NASA.
It was called "oops" in the original...
I mean really, what could go wrong when sending massive amounts of energy through the air?
you can kill yourself on 9 volts believe it or not, its not the voltage, but the amperage which does the damage.
voltage is often higher in higher amperage delivery systems, and therefore that is why this confusion generally exists. I know you aren't saying otherwise, but shrug, it can't be said enough in my opinion.
If someone did "lick the connectors" on this baby when it was fully charged, well use your imagination, but it could very well just shock them to the ground, but that is the best case scenario. As a rule, its a very bad idea to complete a circuit on batteries larger then D's. Your laptop battery will probably just shock you badly, or maybe just make you twitch and let go (I am just guessing because I wouldn't try it...)....the car battery...well we all know how that can kill people and how it does indeed kill a number of people every year.
Sodium and water true, but that would require the battery to shed its compartment or no longer be sealed, which more then likely would happen on the inside and would release all the energy at once, which to me would probably cause more problems then water getting in there...
1) You do the same thing in automatics, automatics have gears that you can change just without the clutch. I lost traction in a brand new dealer loaner because the traction control would not let me accelerate when I was stuck in ice (I know how to drive in ice) Instead of just sitting there like an idiot, I downshifted, turned off the traction control and pulled out onto the street without causing an accident to people on the street I was turning into, or behind me on the hill watching as I slid backwards because of the nice traction control.
2) Same thing if you really want to....But I don't see the point. I did drive a car with OD for a bit (When I was a little younger) and it was nice to engage that and just watch the RPM's rip upwards and have some fun.
3) I had the brakes fail once on my car (That is auto) and I used the downshifting technique to slow myself down and gradual usage of the parking break to stop. I use engine breaking a lot just to practice in case something like that ever happens again.
4) That is up to debate, I rather enjoy being able to drive an auto like a manual and at the same time not have to worry about sliding backwards into someone because I am not paying attention at a stoplight. I have seen lots of people in manuals do this, and it just irks me that these people drive cars they don't know how to use.
In the end, you can do a lot of the same things in an automatic...I just prefer automatic because if I am out with friends and I want to get drunk and I was driving, I can ask someone else to DD and not worry about him not being able to drive my car and perhaps ruin the clutch... Also I can let others borrow my cars if they need to without worrying about the clutch or the car...
Lets face it, I do agree more people who drive manuals are better at driving, but that does not mean all of us automatic drivers are terrible at driving...
Everyone throws out the term "natural" like it means anything. There are plenty of "natural" stuff in the environment that will kill you if you ingest it....and there are plenty of artificial things that are healthy for you.
I don't even think this is an argument someone can really make, its all in what the food actually does for you that means anything.
That changes nothing! Eat the damn cheese or the nanny state will come get you!
"they are coming to take me away ahhahaha...."
Oh BAM, our country can't talk about bad policy anywhere now because of ONE NUT...you got us good there AC.