My problem is not with the copyrights/fareuse etc. The thing I have problems with is the tendency to see the availablity of a service as a god given right. Who ones the tools, makes the rules. It's a network of volunteers who provide the bandwide, machines and knowlegge to provide that service. It THEIR net. If you don't like it, use something else.
For me it's comparable to the discussion on refusing to accept email from blacklisted servers or the non-availability of alt.* newsgroups etc. If you don't like it, do it better or find a service provider who agrees with you. There are more than enough IRC networks and it takes just two servers and an connection between them to start your own.
To put this newsarticle under the same header as the loss of fairuse, free speech or other treaths to personal freedom and democracy is giving the subject far more weight than it's worth.
It's not about the copyrights.. as I see it dalnet has a functionality which they offered. Then came along a DoS attack and they lost a lot of hosts who couldn't or didn't want to offer the bandwide used. I assume that filesharing is an other bandwide hog and as such they stopped offering this specific functionality. My remark was "since when is filesharing a right?". It isn't. Like some many things on internet it is something that's allowed by the owner of the system and NOT a right of the user. (compare email, newsgroups, ftpaccess etc. etc. You don't have a right (an no, free speech doesn't have anything to do with it either), you use a service payed for and offered by someone else.
Hence, since when is filesharing over IRC a right..
But the problem is not if they give it or not.. The problem is that they don't want to be clear on the subject. A clear NO gets the point across. It's not the refusal, but the lack of communication which is the problem.
value-added contains the important word "value". What's the value of adding linux for free? And this is only value if it actualy works.
Where linux could be seen as a steppingstone to Solaris, openBSD could be seen as real competition especialy since openBSD is considered very secure and stable. Again, it's all the impression it makes on me, but never the less, it is an line of thought..
The whole story leaves me with the idea that sun hopes to get most of the expensive development done by the OS community as they are preparing their own linux distro. As such nothing wrong with that..
For OpenBSD they couldn't care less other than to keep them waiting and to keep possible competition at a distance.
And how do we know you're not part of a meta-plot, who's job it is to bring discredit to the plot and as a result make it more believable by the easy impressionable loonies?
(no, I can tell yo about my meta-meta plot, but I would have to kill you..)
> just like Barnes and Noble still sells Public Domain > books.
Maybe, but is it.. The pressure to do R&D and to come up with new ideas is much bigger if you don't know you can lean back and get money till kingdom come on the one or two bright moments you had.
I think this is more a matter of shortterm (next election and what jobs are there after my term in the goverment) vs. longterm (what's good for the future of the country) thinking..
Well, she would run the risk that the people would tell her that her version is donkey dung and go for the free version of granddad.. Afterall, his was the original creative work, she just added some whisles and bells. Now she can make double money and as it seems more and more, money talks..
> just like Barnes and Noble still sells Public Domain > books.
Well, there IS a difference between a download and a nicely bounded and will printed book.. Afterall, the companies publishing openbook (or whatever openxxx the name was again) pdfs still expect to sell printed version too for the same reason..
Anyhow, not that I disagree, but that was a bad example..
Sure, but support is something more than basic documentation and installation instructions. After the documentation there's often enough left: examples, tutorials, intergration with other products, implementation services, helpdesk, to get things running on exotic hardware etc.
Of course this doesn't go for every piece of software, but still..
First of all goverments already regulate the use of media. Frequencies, the decency of what can be shown etc. Not to mention obligatory filtering of websites using badly constructed black-box software.
Seconds, here I don't see regulation. I see a system where joe sixpack can register that he doesn't want to be disturbed AND a stick to hit back ($11K) if his wish is ignored.
Personaly I think it's still a little low tech. Afterall, if one can have callerid and distinctive ringtone it should also be possible to give a call an identifier "marketing opertunity" and the owner of the telephone a way to auto-ignore these calls..
Ofcourse the lazy designers of those systems could easily create a cross-reference between pagenumbers and paragraph numbers so nobody has to get out of their comfy chair. Of course this could easily evolve into virtual pagenumbers which don't exist in real life since the publications are never printed anymore. But he, why change something that works and everybody seems to be comfortable with..;)
Well, not realy. If I recall correctly they lose money on the hardware which should be made up for by the games.. and since an xbox running mandrake will not run xbox games they lose..
Yeah, besides, I still fail to see what they try to accomplise. Who they try to make happy. Newbies don't realy care what they use. The use what you use because that means they have help at hand. Companies can standarize on one or the other. Again, just take your pick. (as RedHat basicly did with Gnome) Old hands made their choise for a reason and are not going to like it when a distro screws up "their" gnome/kde. Changing the picture doesn't make the programs inter-operatable either.. I wish them all the luck, but I guess it's time to pick an other distro once again here too..
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My problem is not with the copyrights/fareuse etc. The thing I have problems with is the tendency to see the availablity of a service as a god given right.
Who ones the tools, makes the rules. It's a network of volunteers who provide the bandwide, machines and knowlegge to provide that service. It THEIR net. If you don't like it, use something else.
For me it's comparable to the discussion on refusing to accept email from blacklisted servers or the non-availability of alt.* newsgroups etc.
If you don't like it, do it better or find a service provider who agrees with you. There are more than enough IRC networks and it takes just two servers and an connection between them to start your own.
To put this newsarticle under the same header as the loss of fairuse, free speech or other treaths to personal freedom and democracy is giving the subject far more weight than it's worth.
All this of course in my humble opinion..
I stand corrected..
They offered you a service, you happily used their offer. The terminated their service, you will have to find an other serviceprovider.
A right is something noone can take from me and as such there are very few rights..
> Microsoft can no longer afford losing millions
> over millions on it?
How many billions did they have on their account? They can afford it for many years to come. If it's smart, that's something else..
"between themself" is the keyword here. Do what you want, but don't bother us with it..
compare: "freedom of speech" but not using my newspaper/magazine/website/resources..
It's not about the copyrights.. as I see it dalnet has a functionality which they offered. Then came along a DoS attack and they lost a lot of hosts who couldn't or didn't want to offer the bandwide used. I assume that filesharing is an other bandwide hog and as such they stopped offering this specific functionality.
My remark was "since when is filesharing a right?". It isn't. Like some many things on internet it is something that's allowed by the owner of the system and NOT a right of the user. (compare email, newsgroups, ftpaccess etc. etc. You don't have a right (an no, free speech doesn't have anything to do with it either), you use a service payed for and offered by someone else.
Hence, since when is filesharing over IRC a right..
Since when does anyone has the "right" on filesharing over IRC??
But the problem is not if they give it or not.. The problem is that they don't want to be clear on the subject.
A clear NO gets the point across. It's not the refusal, but the lack of communication which is the problem.
value-added contains the important word "value".
What's the value of adding linux for free? And this is only value if it actualy works.
Where linux could be seen as a steppingstone to Solaris, openBSD could be seen as real competition especialy since openBSD is considered very secure and stable.
Again, it's all the impression it makes on me, but never the less, it is an line of thought..
The whole story leaves me with the idea that sun hopes to get most of the expensive development done by the OS community as they are preparing their own linux distro. As such nothing wrong with that..
For OpenBSD they couldn't care less other than to keep them waiting and to keep possible competition at a distance.
Just my first, uninformed, impression..
And how do we know you're not part of a meta-plot, who's job it is to bring discredit to the plot and as a result make it more believable by the easy impressionable loonies?
(no, I can tell yo about my meta-meta plot, but I would have to kill you..)
> just like Barnes and Noble still sells Public Domain
> books.
Maybe, but is it.. The pressure to do R&D and to come up with new ideas is much bigger if you don't know you can lean back and get money till kingdom come on the one or two bright moments you had.
I think this is more a matter of shortterm (next election and what jobs are there after my term in the goverment) vs. longterm (what's good for the future of the country) thinking..
Well, she would run the risk that the people would tell her that her version is donkey dung and go for the free version of granddad.. Afterall, his was the original creative work, she just added some whisles and bells.
Now she can make double money and as it seems more and more, money talks..
> just like Barnes and Noble still sells Public Domain
> books.
Well, there IS a difference between a download and a nicely bounded and will printed book.. Afterall, the companies publishing openbook (or whatever openxxx the name was again) pdfs still expect to sell printed version too for the same reason..
Anyhow, not that I disagree, but that was a bad example..
Sure, but support is something more than basic documentation and installation instructions. After the documentation there's often enough left: examples, tutorials, intergration with other products, implementation services, helpdesk, to get things running on exotic hardware etc.
Of course this doesn't go for every piece of software, but still..
Besides, who cares.. as long as they control the dtd they can make everybodies life as miserable as before..
First of all goverments already regulate the use of media. Frequencies, the decency of what can be shown etc. Not to mention obligatory filtering of websites using badly constructed black-box software.
Seconds, here I don't see regulation. I see a system where joe sixpack can register that he doesn't want to be disturbed AND a stick to hit back ($11K) if his wish is ignored.
Personaly I think it's still a little low tech. Afterall, if one can have callerid and distinctive ringtone it should also be possible to give a call an identifier "marketing opertunity" and the owner of the telephone a way to auto-ignore these calls..
Yeah! Don't you love that image search? Family filter off and lets search for boopers!
Actualy a wrong name.
It whould have been a wanaBeOs..
Ofcourse the lazy designers of those systems could easily create a cross-reference between pagenumbers and paragraph numbers so nobody has to get out of their comfy chair.
Of course this could easily evolve into virtual pagenumbers which don't exist in real life since the publications are never printed anymore. But he, why change something that works and everybody seems to be comfortable with..;)
Americans?
so it simply makes sure it IS death and it stays that way..
Well, not realy. If I recall correctly they lose money on the hardware which should be made up for by the games.. and since an xbox running mandrake will not run xbox games they lose..
Yeah, besides, I still fail to see what they try to accomplise. Who they try to make happy.
Newbies don't realy care what they use. The use what you use because that means they have help at hand. Companies can standarize on one or the other. Again, just take your pick. (as RedHat basicly did with Gnome)
Old hands made their choise for a reason and are not going to like it when a distro screws up "their" gnome/kde.
Changing the picture doesn't make the programs inter-operatable either.. I wish them all the luck, but I guess it's time to pick an other distro once again here too..
oh sure, but mouses and keyboards usualy don't have big security-consequenses.