if the French wouldn't have screwed things up, our national debt would have eventually been cut in half... [Later that day]... You're right. Guantanamo is my fault, I take full responsibility
The budget problems began prior to 9/11 in your country. This has nothing to do with the French and everything to do with your government not knowing how to balance its books.
how many decades has it been since Europe has had consistent economic equal to that of the USA?
Way to set the bar nice and low. What's your deficit this year? You guys are planning to pay that back right, its not stage 3 of the world liberation is it?
until you find a way to stop people from choosing to be total fucktards
Just gas 'em like Texas does. Pretty hard to be a fucktard when you're dead. At least I assume so, without a formal definition it's hard to say though.
I don't think his comments have much to do with Uli being a RedHat employee or not.
What is concerning though, is that Uli is (I believe) largely the person in charge of commits to glibc CVS. glibc is and should be very portable. Anyone know why the glibc port to Solaris is so neglected? Wouldn't glibc be very very important to a truely free Solaris distro? How come Sun's proprietary libc is the only option for Solaris 10, or am I mistaken? When Sun talks about openning Solaris, are they talking about just the kernel, or libc as well?
I didn't mean that our allies took action against the US rather that they didn't support the actions the US took
That's just common sense though. If the actions that the U.S. takes aren't even in the best interest of the U.S., then it doesn't make sense to follow. Saddam was cooperating, it was the U.S. that said it had definitive proof that Iraq had biological weapons and the inspectors were incompetent because they couldn't find them. Well look who's incompetent now. Not only that, but look who made things much, much, much worse.
I don't understand were your getting the frightend bully at? please elaborate.
Certainly. If you've never seen the phenomenon before, what happens is the bully relies on fear and intimidation to keep the others subservient to him. Then when the others eventually stand up against him, the bully begins making examples of the weakest of the others, and talking about how everybody is picking on him.
It is the primary means of defense for south korea.
So why is Israel the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid then? Do they really need a few billion dollars every year to buy helicopters and missiles to fight an enemy that is equiped with rocks and primitive explosives? There's more starving children in North America than in Israel. And why isn't that aid going to the Palestinians who are in very much the same situation as the South Koreans, in having to stand up against a unjust aggressor.
Sending troops to kosovo or yugoslavia to stop ethnic clensing or all the stuff we do at the whim of the UN is kind of important too.
Yes, that is important. But not how the U.S. usually does it. Like in Central and South America. The U.S. just loves to pick sides in other people's battles, not because of which side the majority of the population is on, but which side best serves U.S. interests. Its those things that the U.N. was designed to do. Invading Iraq as well, was not in the best interest of Iraq, or the U.S.. The only people who benefit are defense contractors, and CNN.
Maybe these ignorant "lets attack civilians because the american militery would kick our asses in a real fight" pussy terrorist should have made thier point clearer when doing what they did.
As opposed to the "lets attack any journalists that aren't directly embedded with our troups", or the "we're not really sure who the enemy is, so we better nuke 'em all" forms of pussyism?
Maybe the most disturbing part here is that your suggesting that we pay attention to a group of extreamist over the government of the areas in question.
No, the most disturbing thing is that you refuse to look at the problem at all. Terrorism doesn't work but nothing else does either. We have free trade agreements with your country and we can't even get you guys to play fair. I can't even imagine how it feels to live in poverty, have absolutely nothing and watch the U.S. cause such destruction in my part of the world. We grew up with western ideas, and wealth but imagine if you had nothing. What would you have to lose, your honor? If you don't afford the Arab people any honor to begin with then why should you expect noble actions from them? This attitude is exemplified perfectly by the AC post below yours which I don't think I'll even respond to, it speaks for itself. Again you're letting fear and outrage of 9/11 blind you from the easiest, and best solution. Push for U.N. reform or whatever it takes, but the world isn't going to sit by and watch you tell us what to do. It doesn't have to have anything to do with placating the terrorists (whoever they may be), but in the interest
Our allies we alienated went against the US in action because of thier own greed. This isn't some supper high ground.
See that's the problem right there. Not getting involved in Iraq doesn't necessarily mean we are going against the U.S. It is a conflict that the U.S. has no hope of ever resolving. Afghanistan is still in chaos and you just move on to cause destruction elsewhere. The goal should be to bring peace and stability to the region. The U.S. is acting like a frightened bully, and just making things much worse. It's like how your government loves to talk about the amount of foreign aid given out each year. What they don't like to mention is how much of that is weapons, and money to buy weapons. That's not aid, it's a huge part of the problem.
9/11 was intended to be a statement of warning about American foreign policy. In continuing to act this way, you give that justification. That is very sad.
the best interest of the country can harbor several other reasons including a percieved threat that isn't actualy there
The best interest of the country isn't being serverd. Yours or mine. Since September 11th, the U.S. has managed to marginalize a great many of its allies, and fueled outrage in the Muslim world. You think the world is a safer place today than it was three and a half years ago? If so, you can hardly call me naive.
What's going on right now isn't justice, it's blind racist vigilantism.
This has all been made public and the point that we all were wrong about thier location doesnh't make anythign ilegal.
The U.S. invading foreign countries that had never even threatened to attack the U.S. is illegal. If it's not then the U.S. had no right to intervene when Iraq did it to Kuwait.
seems to cost more up in the Canada store than down in the US stores
I assume you mean in the non-Apple Canada store. (Since the story is that this is the first Canadian Apple store)... Maybe this is the problem they are addressing.
That sounds reasonable enough.. Much like including an nVidia or ATI binary driver with a Linux distro. Much as I dislike it, it's perfectly legal. I guess it's best we don't give them too much flack for a bad choice of words. I think this device is on the whole a great thing. Hopefully it won't be too long before some hackers create free replacements for the proprietary parts.
Who's trolling? You can't speak about "The Army" unless its clear which army you're talking about. When I read the original reply to me, I read it as the army being like a proverbial army, as in an army of followers. I'm don't live in the U.S., so why the hell would I assume you mean the U.S. Army?
But now that you mention it. Why would the U.S. Army using OS 9 be of any significance to me whatsoever? They also advocate humiliating and murdering people, at the same time their chief in command claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ. Those aren't things I would aspire to do either. I'd be more inclined to burn my copy of OS 9 now that I know this.
Sorry, I assumed a degree of familiarity with the backstory
No problem, I'm surprised there wasn't a link myself.
I'm just curious how they claim that you cannot build the software without the proprietary bits, and still be compliant with the GPL. That's their words, not mine.
You cannot create a working DISH 921 DVR software build without the additional proprietary code
Sorry, didn't mean to make a statement there, it was a question. I know the GPL has a clause that makes exemptions for operating systems. Maybe they plan to exercise that.
You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program?
Yes.
I thought this was what the LGPL was created to allow people to do.
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if the French wouldn't have screwed things up, our national debt would have eventually been cut in half ... [Later that day] ... You're right. Guantanamo is my fault, I take full responsibility
The budget problems began prior to 9/11 in your country. This has nothing to do with the French and everything to do with your government not knowing how to balance its books.
if the French wouldn't have screwed things up
Oh yeah.. France is the problem now is it. Nothing to do with having elected a madman for president.. Twice.
Just amazing how the most powerful nation in the world can be manipulated by a small country on the other side of it.
You guys fucked it up all on your own. Just deal with it, and stop blaming everyone else.
Well, it ain't UNIX that runs on those things
Of course its not Unix. But Pttttbbbttttppphhhttthh anyway.
Hahahahaha.. Good one.
Okay, so the hard drive is made of pixie dust.. Next thing you'll be telling me they have a genie in there too.
Fuck. Maybe I should have thought this through first.
how many decades has it been since Europe has had consistent economic equal to that of the USA?
Way to set the bar nice and low. What's your deficit this year? You guys are planning to pay that back right, its not stage 3 of the world liberation is it?
IBM mainframes
What do you think they run, pixie dust? IBM has several flavours of Unix of its own, as well pushing Linux quite hard these days.
Fining Microsoft millions means lots of needed cash for some of the EU members whose economies aren't doing too hot.
The American is now telling us about how the economy sucks elsewhere. Great material man. Keep it up, you'll have your own show on Fox in no time.
until you find a way to stop people from choosing to be total fucktards
Just gas 'em like Texas does. Pretty hard to be a fucktard when you're dead. At least I assume so, without a formal definition it's hard to say though.
What is concerning though, is that Uli is (I believe) largely the person in charge of commits to glibc CVS. glibc is and should be very portable. Anyone know why the glibc port to Solaris is so neglected? Wouldn't glibc be very very important to a truely free Solaris distro? How come Sun's proprietary libc is the only option for Solaris 10, or am I mistaken? When Sun talks about openning Solaris, are they talking about just the kernel, or libc as well?
That's just common sense though. If the actions that the U.S. takes aren't even in the best interest of the U.S., then it doesn't make sense to follow. Saddam was cooperating, it was the U.S. that said it had definitive proof that Iraq had biological weapons and the inspectors were incompetent because they couldn't find them. Well look who's incompetent now. Not only that, but look who made things much, much, much worse.
Certainly. If you've never seen the phenomenon before, what happens is the bully relies on fear and intimidation to keep the others subservient to him. Then when the others eventually stand up against him, the bully begins making examples of the weakest of the others, and talking about how everybody is picking on him.
So why is Israel the largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid then? Do they really need a few billion dollars every year to buy helicopters and missiles to fight an enemy that is equiped with rocks and primitive explosives? There's more starving children in North America than in Israel. And why isn't that aid going to the Palestinians who are in very much the same situation as the South Koreans, in having to stand up against a unjust aggressor.
Yes, that is important. But not how the U.S. usually does it. Like in Central and South America. The U.S. just loves to pick sides in other people's battles, not because of which side the majority of the population is on, but which side best serves U.S. interests. Its those things that the U.N. was designed to do. Invading Iraq as well, was not in the best interest of Iraq, or the U.S.. The only people who benefit are defense contractors, and CNN.
As opposed to the "lets attack any journalists that aren't directly embedded with our troups", or the "we're not really sure who the enemy is, so we better nuke 'em all" forms of pussyism?
No, the most disturbing thing is that you refuse to look at the problem at all. Terrorism doesn't work but nothing else does either. We have free trade agreements with your country and we can't even get you guys to play fair. I can't even imagine how it feels to live in poverty, have absolutely nothing and watch the U.S. cause such destruction in my part of the world. We grew up with western ideas, and wealth but imagine if you had nothing. What would you have to lose, your honor? If you don't afford the Arab people any honor to begin with then why should you expect noble actions from them? This attitude is exemplified perfectly by the AC post below yours which I don't think I'll even respond to, it speaks for itself. Again you're letting fear and outrage of 9/11 blind you from the easiest, and best solution. Push for U.N. reform or whatever it takes, but the world isn't going to sit by and watch you tell us what to do. It doesn't have to have anything to do with placating the terrorists (whoever they may be), but in the interest
Our allies we alienated went against the US in action because of thier own greed. This isn't some supper high ground.
See that's the problem right there. Not getting involved in Iraq doesn't necessarily mean we are going against the U.S. It is a conflict that the U.S. has no hope of ever resolving. Afghanistan is still in chaos and you just move on to cause destruction elsewhere. The goal should be to bring peace and stability to the region. The U.S. is acting like a frightened bully, and just making things much worse. It's like how your government loves to talk about the amount of foreign aid given out each year. What they don't like to mention is how much of that is weapons, and money to buy weapons. That's not aid, it's a huge part of the problem.
9/11 was intended to be a statement of warning about American foreign policy. In continuing to act this way, you give that justification. That is very sad.
the best interest of the country can harbor several other reasons including a percieved threat that isn't actualy there
The best interest of the country isn't being serverd. Yours or mine. Since September 11th, the U.S. has managed to marginalize a great many of its allies, and fueled outrage in the Muslim world. You think the world is a safer place today than it was three and a half years ago? If so, you can hardly call me naive.
What's going on right now isn't justice, it's blind racist vigilantism.
This has all been made public and the point that we all were wrong about thier location doesnh't make anythign ilegal.
The U.S. invading foreign countries that had never even threatened to attack the U.S. is illegal. If it's not then the U.S. had no right to intervene when Iraq did it to Kuwait.
when he lied in court about a key piece of evidence
I think of a few more recent examples of a (republican) president lying about some key evidence.
just a simple hardware substitution in the middle of a presentation.
They teach you that on the first day of MCSE training. Always blame the hardware.
seems to cost more up in the Canada store than down in the US stores
I assume you mean in the non-Apple Canada store. (Since the story is that this is the first Canadian Apple store)... Maybe this is the problem they are addressing.
Why do they hate Canadians like that?
Oh.. You're just trolling.
Alt-3 is pretty good too.
(Note to mods: It's not redundant if he posts within a minute of the previous similar answer.)
That sounds reasonable enough.. Much like including an nVidia or ATI binary driver with a Linux distro. Much as I dislike it, it's perfectly legal. I guess it's best we don't give them too much flack for a bad choice of words. I think this device is on the whole a great thing. Hopefully it won't be too long before some hackers create free replacements for the proprietary parts.
Go troll somewhere else.
Who's trolling? You can't speak about "The Army" unless its clear which army you're talking about. When I read the original reply to me, I read it as the army being like a proverbial army, as in an army of followers. I'm don't live in the U.S., so why the hell would I assume you mean the U.S. Army?
But now that you mention it. Why would the U.S. Army using OS 9 be of any significance to me whatsoever? They also advocate humiliating and murdering people, at the same time their chief in command claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ. Those aren't things I would aspire to do either. I'd be more inclined to burn my copy of OS 9 now that I know this.
Sorry, I assumed a degree of familiarity with the backstory
No problem, I'm surprised there wasn't a link myself.
I'm just curious how they claim that you cannot build the software without the proprietary bits, and still be compliant with the GPL. That's their words, not mine.
You cannot create a working DISH 921 DVR software build without the additional proprietary code
Maybe you ought to actually read...
Same to you buddy
if they are not binary linking
Thats what isn't clear. How they claim you cannot build the software without the proprietary bits, without linking.
Perhaps you should RTFA before commenting
Which FA?
Otherwise, IE users wouldn't be allowed to access an Apache website, for instance
;)
That sounds like a great idea. Lets see how many IE fanboys are left when they can only talk to IIS servers.
NOTE: This post is not to be taken seriously.
hmmm, touché
Sorry, didn't mean to make a statement there, it was a question. I know the GPL has a clause that makes exemptions for operating systems. Maybe they plan to exercise that.
A larger media conglomerate fulfilling their end of the bargain?
... go directly against this:
Are they though? I don't care to RTFA to find out, but doesn't this:
You cannot create a working DISH 921 DVR software build without the additional proprietary code.
You have a GPL'ed program that I'd like to link with my code to build a proprietary program. Does the fact that I link with your program mean I have to GPL my program?
Yes.
I thought this was what the LGPL was created to allow people to do.