Okay, I have a few minutes, so there are a few little things that need clearing:
1) "Notification of crime before investigation" is not in the Constitution. You're thinking of notification of crime upon arrest.
2) Somebody else posted about Habeas Corpus - not what you thought.
3) "No one has a right to listen to the conversation" is nothing to do with anything. Any public conversation is free game, wiretaps, searches etc. are normally supposed to be the result of a warrant from a judge.
4) You are not free from "penalty of self-incrimination," you cannot be _required_ to self-incriminate. A galaxy apart, those two.
5) Wiretapping (illegal or legal) violates the right to jury trial or reasonable bail? Where did you get THAT from?
Personally I think a lot of the "Patriot Act" paranoia is just that - paranoid. While, like all big legislation, it has a lot of cruft, pork, and Stupid in it, most of it is either codifying existing practice (already subject to constitutional review but inconsistent with regulation) or trying to fix the barriers to communication between intelligence/enforcement agencies.
The roving wiretaps may seem scary, but there's hardly any point in having wiretaps if they can't follow people (at least these days). It needs to be subject to review (and it is, or we wouldn't be talking about it now). I think sneak-peek searches need to be got rid of, and hopefully will the next time it comes to the S.C.
I think on the balance Mars is of more use as an alternate or additional habitat than as raw material, unless you're assuming that by then we'll already be working on a Dyson sphere (or ring).
Mercury, Venus, the moons of Jupiter all seem better candidates for raw materials than Mars... though the Asteroid belt is obviously the first choice.
Of course, afore we go removing any planets, we might want to spend a little time on Gravity and Resonance first, just to comfort ourselves.
I'm sorry you're not comfortable with your position at the top of the food chain.
But this really is something you have to deal with yourself. You could go swimming with sharks or play with a tiger, for example.
The rest of us have work to do, you know, like ensuring our survival. Sometimes that means skipping over things that we'd like to do to get things we need to do done.
If it makes you feel any better, think of these plants as a new place for Martian microbes to live and feed.
"Oooh, you got one o' dem new-fangled inetegrated electronic engines. That mysterious low voltage will be $200 to diagnose, and if it's the integrated alternator, we'll have to have the engine apart... and that'll be $1000 to remove and replace the engine, $400 labor on the engine, $250 in seals and bearings, and $280 for the alternator."
I think I'm going to start buying really old cars, actually.....bolted directly to the crank... I hope you meant a gear interface with the crank, otherwise just assume a $5000 engine replacement if the alternator fails.
Technology integration only makes sense if it makes the "package" cheap enough to replace that you can "recycle" or throw away the old one if one part fails.
First it was "no one could afford a computer, we'll all have terminals."
Then it was "distributed computing will allow people who really need the resources (i.e. me) to use them."
Then it was "it's more economically (viable, fair, responsible, blah) to have central computers and distributed terminals."
Now it's the "smarter networks will benefit users by anticipating demand etc. blah blah" argument. Which isn't entirely new.
Seems like once a decade the "religion of centralization" rears its beady little head and roars. It doesn't know its dead.
Decentralization became the rule as soon as it was affordable because networks aren't perfectly reliable, and humans are individuals with distinct needs and desires and a desire for privacy.
I know some people don't like that, but they need to suck it up and stop trying to make the world fit their vision instead of of making their visions fit the world.
1) It's fiction. And a movie. 20 minutes of silent space battle would be boring. It works in Firefly because it's not 30% of the screen time. Maybe they have little AIs in the spaceships that make Surround Sound representations of the events around the ship to aid in navigation. Who knows?
2) What's with the sociology? Repulsorlifts! Lightsabers! Blasters! FTL! That's what we want.
3) It's become amusing how rapidly the "we don't know that yet so it's impossible" crowd jumps out. Sure, it may be the case that we eventually conclude that none of these "effects" are possible in the real world. But what kind of a world can be made in a place where people never research antigravity or FTL or "force fields" 'cause it's all just presumed to be "impossible?"
A certain company I worked for created massive bureaucratic procedures that didn't increase security and all.
The problem with a law like SOX is that the theory is to introduce new procedures to improve security and accountability, the practice is to introduce new procedures to comply with the law and fend off lawsuits.
I suddenly had a ton of useless paperwork and busywork to do and I heard "Sarbaines-Oxley" about 20 times a day, to no improvement in security or accountability.
In addition, in full accordance with the Vice-President Syndrome, every new Dumb Administrative Idea was implemented because you were not allowed to argue with any policy that was justified with the Magic Words "Sarbaines-Oxley."
I can't wait until until the election is over and the Kerry Campaign hands Slashdot back to the old editors and posters. If I want rampant political posturing I'll go to LGF or Kos.
This place used to be full of people who could see through the posturing but it sure seems like a large number of posters are just toeing the whatever-party line here.
The problem is that increasingly, the D Party has viewed Originalists as "ideologues" or "right-wing."
In other words, if a judge says that the Constitution means what it says, and not whetever "penumbras" or "interpretations" current fashion implies, the D party filibusters them.
Falling back on the Constitution when you're working to subvert it is poor taste.
I'm not saying the R party doesn't have its ideologues and poor taste as well. But the fight is basically two people hitting each other with sticks and then declaring each other cheaters because the other guy is using a weapon.
I don't have the energy to dig up old links (try google) but isn't this essentially old news?
Weren't both kooks and serious people yahooing 4-5-8 years ago about secret tunnelling and hidden chambers, both the "air shaft/star shaft" group and the "echolocation/GPR" people back then? Or am I mixing and matching paleocliology?
Do we all have such short attention spans?
Though if this ends up being a room holding a statue of Osiris holding an Ankh, I'm giving money to the kooks, same day.
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Anything Can Happen, but...
I'm not sure this question sounds legit - it's too vague, in the sense that there seems to be more than one good answer for it. There are a lot of seasonal industries, and there appear (on minimal research) to be several groups that fit the description, though I'm not sure how many of them are "companies."
I haven't watched Jeopardy in many years, but I seem to recall the answers were not very ambiguous.
Read the book to find more examples? Read the other books mentioned here? Listen to all the people posting who are saying "hey, sounds like my experience!"
You might also want to check the references in the book about long-term large-scale planning by the groups and institutions that "founded" and continue to guide our system of education through government departments, textbook publishers, unions, and education departments at colleges.
Sound is generally included with the motherboard now. Which means you have to choose based on all of the features of the motherboard (processor support, memory support, SATA etc.), and sound then becomes "part of the equation" instead of its own calculation.
Pretty much musicians and audiophiles choose their sound chipsets (or cards) carefully, most people buy the Fry's special or just make sure it says "sound included" on the motherboard box.
Not to mention people who buy prebuilt PCs, in which case the manufacturer chooses the cheapest (integrated) chipset.
Since relatively few people pick sound chipsets carefully, the "demand" is effectively "low," and that drives the supply down (and into specialization).
That and the registration tax is based on engine size. A surprising number of cars with 1-liter engines, for tax purposes. What seems to be a majority under 2-liters displacement.
If it makes you feel better, in Britain (with points-tickets for 2-3 mph above the speed limit and speed cameras practically everywhere), there are auto insurance companies that specialize in performance and modified cars. It ain't cheap, but it is available.
Just get 10 old clunkers, drive them less than 2000 miles a year each, and insure them as classics.:)
Will require GPS to be effective, and that means they know where you're driving. If your work happens to be near a "bad" intersection for accidents, your rate goes up, even if you have a perfect record.
Now, that's good for the insurance company, as they charge more for higher risk areas (or drivers). But it's bad for the pool, i.e. us.
It will be encouraged, it will be used, it will create profit and reduce "losses" (i.e. compensation), and it will spread like wildfire until it is effectively or actually mandatory.
In addition, how many minutes do you figure it will be before "recorded speed and GPS data" becomes "remotely reported speed and GPS data" becomes "transmitted directly to the nearest CHP car," without, of course, the context that a police officer observing the scene would see. Just numbers.
You know, swerving and accelerating to avoid an accident becomes a speeding ticket. Running a red light to avoid an accident could cost you your license. Running a broken red light at 4am with no traffic could do the same. No one will care about your story, the computer shows just what you did. Heck, it probably won't even require (allow) a court appearance.
I'm getting tired of even debating these points, which is why the bad guys always seem to win. They have an inexhaustible drive to control everyone else all the time that keeps them awake at night. They never seem to run out of energy and they never seem to run out of recruits.
And its always the same argument, over and over, every time. You can win the argument ("know your customer" banking laws) and while you're sleeping off the effort they pass the same damned thing again.
The utility argument is a loss, you can justify ANY incursion for that one. Mandatory diet and exercise, 24-hour monitoring, there can be no dividing line from the POV of utility.
The "license" argument isn't an argument for monitoring, it's an argument against public roads.
Just remember, those of you who think it can't hurt you, when it's your turn, the rest of us sure as heck aren't going to speak up for you.
I share the same dream. You and I should be working on it as we can, and not funding 100,000 bureaucrats to do what THEY want, which at this point seems to be cozy up to contractors to keep rebuilding downed probes.
The public service model of space exploration has failed. Let's try the profit model.
There's money out there, people. Lots and lots of money. Let's go mine some asteroids!
We're still sensible. It's just obvious to us that:
a) it _is_ the smallest chance. b) the requested expenditures / changes are massive. c) the requested changes are haphazard d) the requestors are likely to profit from the changes (research grants, tech development) e) the requested changes are the same, no matter what the threat (ice age, warming, 3-headed frogs)
Doesn't mean you're wrong. Also doesn't mean you're right.
Last time I checked we're in the middle of a long-term warming trend after the "little ice age" of the 16th-18th centuries (which followed the "medieval maximum" of c. 1200).
Which basically means that our modern media-school-TV history has been built in below-average temperatures. So now that it's returning to normal it's time to PANIC!!!
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Okay, I have a few minutes, so there are a few little things that need clearing:
1) "Notification of crime before investigation" is not in the Constitution. You're thinking of notification of crime upon arrest.
2) Somebody else posted about Habeas Corpus - not what you thought.
3) "No one has a right to listen to the conversation" is nothing to do with anything. Any public conversation is free game, wiretaps, searches etc. are normally supposed to be the result of a warrant from a judge.
4) You are not free from "penalty of self-incrimination," you cannot be _required_ to self-incriminate. A galaxy apart, those two.
5) Wiretapping (illegal or legal) violates the right to jury trial or reasonable bail? Where did you get THAT from?
Personally I think a lot of the "Patriot Act" paranoia is just that - paranoid. While, like all big legislation, it has a lot of cruft, pork, and Stupid in it, most of it is either codifying existing practice (already subject to constitutional review but inconsistent with regulation) or trying to fix the barriers to communication between intelligence/enforcement agencies.
The roving wiretaps may seem scary, but there's hardly any point in having wiretaps if they can't follow people (at least these days). It needs to be subject to review (and it is, or we wouldn't be talking about it now). I think sneak-peek searches need to be got rid of, and hopefully will the next time it comes to the S.C.
Time's up, sorry I kept ya...
The "anti-space weapons" people are probably alien spies anyway.
"Oh, no, it's REEEAAAALLLL safe up here, no need for weapons at all!"
I think on the balance Mars is of more use as an alternate or additional habitat than as raw material, unless you're assuming that by then we'll already be working on a Dyson sphere (or ring).
Mercury, Venus, the moons of Jupiter all seem better candidates for raw materials than Mars... though the Asteroid belt is obviously the first choice.
Of course, afore we go removing any planets, we might want to spend a little time on Gravity and Resonance first, just to comfort ourselves.
I'm sorry you're not comfortable with your position at the top of the food chain.
But this really is something you have to deal with yourself. You could go swimming with sharks or play with a tiger, for example.
The rest of us have work to do, you know, like ensuring our survival. Sometimes that means skipping over things that we'd like to do to get things we need to do done.
If it makes you feel any better, think of these plants as a new place for Martian microbes to live and feed.
Somebody sure has a boner for getting programs away from users.
And it's not the users.
Look, it didn't work 30 years ago because it was a bad idea.
It didn't work 20 years ago because it was a bad idea.
It didn't work ten years ago because it was a bad idea.
What makes you think the idea's "time has come?" What, is there some new trend to accepting bad ideas that's changed recently?
Sure, it's a fine (and old) idea for corporate intranets, where one owner owns and maintains it all. Similar systems have been in place for years.
But it's not fine as a business model for the whole industry, but some people keep trying to make it so. Usually the people who own the servers.
I really have to get into auto repair.
....bolted directly to the crank... I hope you meant a gear interface with the crank, otherwise just assume a $5000 engine replacement if the alternator fails.
"Oooh, you got one o' dem new-fangled inetegrated electronic engines. That mysterious low voltage will be $200 to diagnose, and if it's the integrated alternator, we'll have to have the engine apart... and that'll be $1000 to remove and replace the engine, $400 labor on the engine, $250 in seals and bearings, and $280 for the alternator."
I think I'm going to start buying really old cars, actually.
Technology integration only makes sense if it makes the "package" cheap enough to replace that you can "recycle" or throw away the old one if one part fails.
The last time I looked I couldn't find anything... is there any observational data on the Oort cloud or is it just a "non-controversial" hypothesis?
And twenty years ago.
And thirty years ago.
Same shit, different decade.
First it was "no one could afford a computer, we'll all have terminals."
Then it was "distributed computing will allow people who really need the resources (i.e. me) to use them."
Then it was "it's more economically (viable, fair, responsible, blah) to have central computers and distributed terminals."
Now it's the "smarter networks will benefit users by anticipating demand etc. blah blah" argument. Which isn't entirely new.
Seems like once a decade the "religion of centralization" rears its beady little head and roars. It doesn't know its dead.
Decentralization became the rule as soon as it was affordable because networks aren't perfectly reliable, and humans are individuals with distinct needs and desires and a desire for privacy.
I know some people don't like that, but they need to suck it up and stop trying to make the world fit their vision instead of of making their visions fit the world.
1) It's fiction. And a movie. 20 minutes of silent space battle would be boring. It works in Firefly because it's not 30% of the screen time. Maybe they have little AIs in the spaceships that make Surround Sound representations of the events around the ship to aid in navigation. Who knows?
2) What's with the sociology? Repulsorlifts! Lightsabers! Blasters! FTL! That's what we want.
3) It's become amusing how rapidly the "we don't know that yet so it's impossible" crowd jumps out. Sure, it may be the case that we eventually conclude that none of these "effects" are possible in the real world. But what kind of a world can be made in a place where people never research antigravity or FTL or "force fields" 'cause it's all just presumed to be "impossible?"
The "anti-explorers," we'll call them.
A certain company I worked for created massive bureaucratic procedures that didn't increase security and all.
The problem with a law like SOX is that the theory is to introduce new procedures to improve security and accountability, the practice is to introduce new procedures to comply with the law and fend off lawsuits.
I suddenly had a ton of useless paperwork and busywork to do and I heard "Sarbaines-Oxley" about 20 times a day, to no improvement in security or accountability.
In addition, in full accordance with the Vice-President Syndrome, every new Dumb Administrative Idea was implemented because you were not allowed to argue with any policy that was justified with the Magic Words "Sarbaines-Oxley."
I can't wait until until the election is over and the Kerry Campaign hands Slashdot back to the old editors and posters. If I want rampant political posturing I'll go to LGF or Kos.
This place used to be full of people who could see through the posturing but it sure seems like a large number of posters are just toeing the whatever-party line here.
Let's get back to geekdom for five minutes, OK?
Spot the looney lefty: If you don't let me take the product of your labor and let me use it as _I_ see fit, you're GREEDY!
Hypocrit.
No wonder the sane feel so lonely.
The problem is that increasingly, the D Party has viewed Originalists as "ideologues" or "right-wing."
In other words, if a judge says that the Constitution means what it says, and not whetever "penumbras" or "interpretations" current fashion implies, the D party filibusters them.
Falling back on the Constitution when you're working to subvert it is poor taste.
I'm not saying the R party doesn't have its ideologues and poor taste as well. But the fight is basically two people hitting each other with sticks and then declaring each other cheaters because the other guy is using a weapon.
I don't have the energy to dig up old links (try google) but isn't this essentially old news?
Weren't both kooks and serious people yahooing 4-5-8 years ago about secret tunnelling and hidden chambers, both the "air shaft/star shaft" group and the "echolocation/GPR" people back then? Or am I mixing and matching paleocliology?
Do we all have such short attention spans?
Though if this ends up being a room holding a statue of Osiris holding an Ankh, I'm giving money to the kooks, same day.
Anything Can Happen, but...
I'm not sure this question sounds legit - it's too vague, in the sense that there seems to be more than one good answer for it. There are a lot of seasonal industries, and there appear (on minimal research) to be several groups that fit the description, though I'm not sure how many of them are "companies."
I haven't watched Jeopardy in many years, but I seem to recall the answers were not very ambiguous.
Of course, after all those years...
Dialogue:
"Don't Jump!"
"He's Got it!"
"Oooo! Owww! Hot! Oww! Oooo!"
Read the book to find more examples? Read the other books mentioned here? Listen to all the people posting who are saying "hey, sounds like my experience!"
You might also want to check the references in the book about long-term large-scale planning by the groups and institutions that "founded" and continue to guide our system of education through government departments, textbook publishers, unions, and education departments at colleges.
Somebody needs to slap this guy and scream "TAKE THE MILLION BUCKS!!!!"
I cannot stand people who rub a lamp, get a genie, and then can't think of anything they want.*
It's like buying the last orange cream soda in the Gobi Desert Gift Shop, deciding you don't want it, and pouring it out.
If you think the money can be put to better uses, well then DO THAT.
* I'm not implying that this was luck. This behavior is worse than when it's luck and you're unprepared.
Sound is generally included with the motherboard now. Which means you have to choose based on all of the features of the motherboard (processor support, memory support, SATA etc.), and sound then becomes "part of the equation" instead of its own calculation.
Pretty much musicians and audiophiles choose their sound chipsets (or cards) carefully, most people buy the Fry's special or just make sure it says "sound included" on the motherboard box.
Not to mention people who buy prebuilt PCs, in which case the manufacturer chooses the cheapest (integrated) chipset.
Since relatively few people pick sound chipsets carefully, the "demand" is effectively "low," and that drives the supply down (and into specialization).
That and the registration tax is based on engine size. A surprising number of cars with 1-liter engines, for tax purposes. What seems to be a majority under 2-liters displacement.
More proof that science is becoming politics.
If it makes you feel better, in Britain (with points-tickets for 2-3 mph above the speed limit and speed cameras practically everywhere), there are auto insurance companies that specialize in performance and modified cars. It ain't cheap, but it is available.
Just get 10 old clunkers, drive them less than 2000 miles a year each, and insure them as classics.
Will require GPS to be effective, and that means they know where you're driving. If your work happens to be near a "bad" intersection for accidents, your rate goes up, even if you have a perfect record.
Now, that's good for the insurance company, as they charge more for higher risk areas (or drivers). But it's bad for the pool, i.e. us.
It will be encouraged, it will be used, it will create profit and reduce "losses" (i.e. compensation), and it will spread like wildfire until it is effectively or actually mandatory.
In addition, how many minutes do you figure it will be before "recorded speed and GPS data" becomes "remotely reported speed and GPS data" becomes "transmitted directly to the nearest CHP car," without, of course, the context that a police officer observing the scene would see. Just numbers.
You know, swerving and accelerating to avoid an accident becomes a speeding ticket. Running a red light to avoid an accident could cost you your license. Running a broken red light at 4am with no traffic could do the same. No one will care about your story, the computer shows just what you did. Heck, it probably won't even require (allow) a court appearance.
I'm getting tired of even debating these points, which is why the bad guys always seem to win. They have an inexhaustible drive to control everyone else all the time that keeps them awake at night. They never seem to run out of energy and they never seem to run out of recruits.
And its always the same argument, over and over, every time. You can win the argument ("know your customer" banking laws) and while you're sleeping off the effort they pass the same damned thing again.
The utility argument is a loss, you can justify ANY incursion for that one. Mandatory diet and exercise, 24-hour monitoring, there can be no dividing line from the POV of utility.
The "license" argument isn't an argument for monitoring, it's an argument against public roads.
Just remember, those of you who think it can't hurt you, when it's your turn, the rest of us sure as heck aren't going to speak up for you.
I share the same dream. You and I should be working on it as we can, and not funding 100,000 bureaucrats to do what THEY want, which at this point seems to be cozy up to contractors to keep rebuilding downed probes.
The public service model of space exploration has failed. Let's try the profit model.
There's money out there, people. Lots and lots of money. Let's go mine some asteroids!
We're still sensible. It's just obvious to us that:
a) it _is_ the smallest chance.
b) the requested expenditures / changes are massive.
c) the requested changes are haphazard
d) the requestors are likely to profit from the changes (research grants, tech development)
e) the requested changes are the same, no matter what the threat (ice age, warming, 3-headed frogs)
Doesn't mean you're wrong. Also doesn't mean you're right.
Last time I checked we're in the middle of a long-term warming trend after the "little ice age" of the 16th-18th centuries (which followed the "medieval maximum" of c. 1200).
Which basically means that our modern media-school-TV history has been built in below-average temperatures. So now that it's returning to normal it's time to PANIC!!!