The Constitution says "...right to free speech", not "....right to profane speech". If you want to make an argument that there is a separation of church and state somewhere in there as well then my argument is perfectly valid for this purpose.
I assume you don't mind if u are sitting at McDonald's with your kids and some group of kids (or even adults) who don't care what people think of them or dont care at all about other people start getting loud and you start to hear them use profanity. Sure, there is free speech but do you just sit there and pretend not to hear them or do you kindly ask them that there are children around and they need to be aware of that? Some things you just can't help. At some point is the source of the problem and sometimes you just can't turn it off but you can slow the flow by making society have a decency level. Eventually people get the picture and going to McDonald's can be a family event once again w/o the local high school kids ruining it. Turning tv/radio off only can help those particular sources of the problem. The FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over people in McDonald's but it's the principle of the situation.
we don't need some beauracratic (sp) entity to give moral guideance to our children
We also dont need some asshole on radio swearing when it adds nothing to the conversation. He could easily go w/o it and the show would just as good. If it wouldn't be just as good then maybe he isn't that good to begin with if he has to swear to make his show "good". There are many other shows on tv and radio that ARE good, why get rid of the medium just b/c a show on that medium is bad? Get rid of the show, much more sensible.
Someone tell me why if parents did their job it would mean that the media have full rein over what is said on the airwaves. If parents did their job (some do, some dont) doesn't remove any responsibility from other people in society. I don't see why some people think it does. Many many years ago whole villages would raise children. Nowadays it may just be a single parent or 2 parents, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the "village" doesn't affect the child.
Why must all people who are religious have to be nuts? Ever think for a second that it could be offensive? You know, there are actually people out there who are religious who aren't nuts or extremists.
No one wants to take your personal ability away from cursing. Do it all you want. Just don't get on the public airwaves and curse. Cursing has no useful purpose but at least saying religious phrases has a useful purpose. If you simply want to take away the ability for people to talk for fear of offending someone then no one would talk at all. The point is to not just say ANYTHING over the public airwaves. Using curse words offend far more people than using religious sayings. Using religious words over the public airwaves may offend you but the general consensus is that they are not profane (contrary to your personal beliefs). The point of the FCC here is to accommodate the greater good and the society as a whole.
I'd much rather my kid was exposed to a handful of swearwords and see the occasional brest, then be shown TV shows that makes them think everyone's a criminal so it must be OK.
You must turn the tv off or tell your children to leave the room once the 2nd half of Law and Order comes around where they actually prosecute those who committed the crime. Only by doing that would they get the idea that being a criminal is okay. If you are worried about other tv shows then maybe you need to *start* letting your kids watch Law and Order as that show definitely shows that it doesn't pay to be a criminal.
You give these government assholes an inch, and they take a mile. Our basic freedoms are being eroded here and you're complaining about a hypothetical event. Howard has never waved his genitals in front of children and you're an idiot for saying such.
First off, you are an idiot, not the other person. The genital waving example was just that, an example. Are you offended by it? That would be ironic. Second, what exactly is in your head that you actually prefer to hear people who talk like that? Some people just don't like hearing that but still may want to listen to the show but instead they turn the dial because they are offended by the words Stern uses. Using those words, especially if you don't use the "f" word in a sexual context, add nothing, NOTHING, to the conversation. It's the same thing with R rated movies when they are rated for the language. The screenplay writers could very well leave out all the "f" words and the movie's ability to hold an audience would still be there. (Not to mention the movie would make more money as more people (kids) would be allowed to see the movie. Are screenplay writers that stupid to not see that?) Those things add nothing useful to a conversation. I say "useful" because those words do add the ability to offend people who just like to listen to the REAL content that Stern or anyone else may have to say. If the profanity added something to the conversation your argument might have had a chance. As it is, don't blame the gov't for trying to hold a level of decency for the public at large. If profanity is something you need to satisfy whatever is in your head then go swear to yourself in the mirror. There have to be some limits to everything or you have chaos because nothing would be disallowed. Do you complain about speed limits by chance as well?
then maybe we will start getting free windows server 2003 cds in the mail? It would be more useful than the aol software. Try for 45 days, if u don't cancel your CC gets billed for $2000 plus $25 * the number of people in your family.
That's a given because you are getting into technical details at that point when asking about CPU/system specs. However, I highly doubt when asked what kind of car you have that you respond with "blue". I would think you respond with the model or the manufacturer. Ask a person what kind of computer they have and you will get "beige". I find it sad and annoying that people can spend $2k to $3k on a computer and not know what brand they bought. You just don't go out and buy a car and not even know if Ford or GM made it. A little bit of knowledge is expected since people fork out a lot of money for computers. I dont' think it's too much to ask for.
whereas a man might research his purchase beforehand just to avoid looking clueless in the store.
Or, as with cars and stereo equipment, a man does research to know what he wants and/or to find the best there is so as to always outdo the neighbor, or brother, or father, or whatever. A woman just wants the thing to work.
This is a GOOD thing, we could break the stranglehold our current scumbags-in-charge have on the system.
Maybe we could but for some reason you assume that this can't bring any disadvantages and I'm not sure why you think that. of course, if you don't believe in some person being able to take power of the world gov't and doing what Hitler did to the Jews then I guess there wouldn't be any disadvantages would there? Then again, you don't have to believe in the anti-christ or the Bible or anything religious to realize that it's very well possible that a world leader with that much power could inflict tremendous harm on those who he/she wishes. Obviously Hitler was not the anti-christ but yet he still came to power and murdered millions.
If it weren't for the recent Bush/Rumsfeld/PNAC/Iraq shenanigans I might give the government the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm dubious about this whole concept.
Well if it was a democract in office (for example, clinton) we would have to first answer th question of what the defintion of WMD is before anything would be done. At least Bush went and got something done instead of just talking about it and bombing an aspirin factory (in the Sudan) to make it look like he did something useful.
Gallows humor aside, I'm sorry to say it but: why should we realistically expect an end to famine, disease, war? They've been with us throughout history. Man has always wished to eliminate these woes -- yes they keep getting worse and worse.
Tell the US gov't to quit giving NASA billions of dollars to use within their budget and the famine problem might actually go away. The famine and disease problems keep getting bigger b/c people for some reason think that we need to find if there is life on Mars when there some of the lives that we already have on Earth are dwindling away. So more and more money is spent on stupid things instead of on what is needed.
because there won't be anyone left to be on welfare.
That is not a guarantee. Just b/c an asteroid hits us does not mean it is going to be one big enough to kill everyone. The odds of that are even bigger than asteroid hitting us altogether.
Except that famine, disease, and war are being experienced right now by the world population. We do not currently have an asteroid that is wreaking havoc on the planet do we? Therefore the odds of famine, disease, and war affecting us are 1 in 1 (and they have always affected the earth) when the odds of an asteroid hitting us are 1 in millions maybe (and an asteriod only affects us once every million years possibly)?
And what is so bad about believing in the Bible? Everyone needs something to believe in, that's what faith is. Just b/c u don't believe it doesn't mean I can't. You obviously seem to care that I believe it though or u wouldn't have made the comment. You believe in all the textbooks (including history) that you read so why not believe in teh Bible? Oh I know, b/c you are afraid of religion for one reason or another. I suppose you think that all the Muslims who believe in the Koran are gullible too?
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The Constitution says "...right to free speech", not "....right to profane speech". If you want to make an argument that there is a separation of church and state somewhere in there as well then my argument is perfectly valid for this purpose.
I go on faith everyday that Windows won't crash. It's good that Linux now comes with faith and I don't have to add my own.
I assume you don't mind if u are sitting at McDonald's with your kids and some group of kids (or even adults) who don't care what people think of them or dont care at all about other people start getting loud and you start to hear them use profanity. Sure, there is free speech but do you just sit there and pretend not to hear them or do you kindly ask them that there are children around and they need to be aware of that? Some things you just can't help. At some point is the source of the problem and sometimes you just can't turn it off but you can slow the flow by making society have a decency level. Eventually people get the picture and going to McDonald's can be a family event once again w/o the local high school kids ruining it. Turning tv/radio off only can help those particular sources of the problem. The FCC doesn't have jurisdiction over people in McDonald's but it's the principle of the situation.
we don't need some beauracratic (sp) entity to give moral guideance to our children
We also dont need some asshole on radio swearing when it adds nothing to the conversation. He could easily go w/o it and the show would just as good. If it wouldn't be just as good then maybe he isn't that good to begin with if he has to swear to make his show "good". There are many other shows on tv and radio that ARE good, why get rid of the medium just b/c a show on that medium is bad? Get rid of the show, much more sensible.
If you don't like the decency level that society tries to uphold then move to another country.
Someone tell me why if parents did their job it would mean that the media have full rein over what is said on the airwaves. If parents did their job (some do, some dont) doesn't remove any responsibility from other people in society. I don't see why some people think it does. Many many years ago whole villages would raise children. Nowadays it may just be a single parent or 2 parents, but that doesn't mean that the rest of the "village" doesn't affect the child.
Why must all people who are religious have to be nuts? Ever think for a second that it could be offensive? You know, there are actually people out there who are religious who aren't nuts or extremists.
No one wants to take your personal ability away from cursing. Do it all you want. Just don't get on the public airwaves and curse. Cursing has no useful purpose but at least saying religious phrases has a useful purpose. If you simply want to take away the ability for people to talk for fear of offending someone then no one would talk at all. The point is to not just say ANYTHING over the public airwaves. Using curse words offend far more people than using religious sayings. Using religious words over the public airwaves may offend you but the general consensus is that they are not profane (contrary to your personal beliefs). The point of the FCC here is to accommodate the greater good and the society as a whole.
I'd much rather my kid was exposed to a handful of swearwords and see the occasional brest, then be shown TV shows that makes them think everyone's a criminal so it must be OK.
You must turn the tv off or tell your children to leave the room once the 2nd half of Law and Order comes around where they actually prosecute those who committed the crime. Only by doing that would they get the idea that being a criminal is okay. If you are worried about other tv shows then maybe you need to *start* letting your kids watch Law and Order as that show definitely shows that it doesn't pay to be a criminal.
You give these government assholes an inch, and they take a mile. Our basic freedoms are being eroded here and you're complaining about a hypothetical event. Howard has never waved his genitals in front of children and you're an idiot for saying such.
First off, you are an idiot, not the other person. The genital waving example was just that, an example. Are you offended by it? That would be ironic. Second, what exactly is in your head that you actually prefer to hear people who talk like that? Some people just don't like hearing that but still may want to listen to the show but instead they turn the dial because they are offended by the words Stern uses. Using those words, especially if you don't use the "f" word in a sexual context, add nothing, NOTHING, to the conversation. It's the same thing with R rated movies when they are rated for the language. The screenplay writers could very well leave out all the "f" words and the movie's ability to hold an audience would still be there. (Not to mention the movie would make more money as more people (kids) would be allowed to see the movie. Are screenplay writers that stupid to not see that?) Those things add nothing useful to a conversation. I say "useful" because those words do add the ability to offend people who just like to listen to the REAL content that Stern or anyone else may have to say. If the profanity added something to the conversation your argument might have had a chance. As it is, don't blame the gov't for trying to hold a level of decency for the public at large. If profanity is something you need to satisfy whatever is in your head then go swear to yourself in the mirror. There have to be some limits to everything or you have chaos because nothing would be disallowed. Do you complain about speed limits by chance as well?
then maybe we will start getting free windows server 2003 cds in the mail? It would be more useful than the aol software. Try for 45 days, if u don't cancel your CC gets billed for $2000 plus $25 * the number of people in your family.
That's a given because you are getting into technical details at that point when asking about CPU/system specs. However, I highly doubt when asked what kind of car you have that you respond with "blue". I would think you respond with the model or the manufacturer. Ask a person what kind of computer they have and you will get "beige". I find it sad and annoying that people can spend $2k to $3k on a computer and not know what brand they bought. You just don't go out and buy a car and not even know if Ford or GM made it. A little bit of knowledge is expected since people fork out a lot of money for computers. I dont' think it's too much to ask for.
3 out of 4 people won't even know what percentage 3 out of 4 is.
I've recently dropped my phone line at home therefore dropping my home Internet access as well. ....I wonder how many others are in similar situations?
I'd tell you but I don't have a connection anymore to the Internet...oh wait...
You've increased the percentage of women on the Internet by 1% just by making so many posts to this article. Good job.
The last war in the US we had was around 1863. What war are you talking about?
So she has a name? hmm, it never occurred to me. oh well.
whereas a man might research his purchase beforehand just to avoid looking clueless in the store.
Or, as with cars and stereo equipment, a man does research to know what he wants and/or to find the best there is so as to always outdo the neighbor, or brother, or father, or whatever. A woman just wants the thing to work.
Out of curiousity, where in WV are you? Im in north central and I'm using RoadRunner but I know some people who could use the service you have.
This is a GOOD thing, we could break the stranglehold our current scumbags-in-charge have on the system.
Maybe we could but for some reason you assume that this can't bring any disadvantages and I'm not sure why you think that. of course, if you don't believe in some person being able to take power of the world gov't and doing what Hitler did to the Jews then I guess there wouldn't be any disadvantages would there? Then again, you don't have to believe in the anti-christ or the Bible or anything religious to realize that it's very well possible that a world leader with that much power could inflict tremendous harm on those who he/she wishes. Obviously Hitler was not the anti-christ but yet he still came to power and murdered millions.
If it weren't for the recent Bush/Rumsfeld/PNAC/Iraq shenanigans I might give the government the benefit of the doubt. However, I'm dubious about this whole concept.
Well if it was a democract in office (for example, clinton) we would have to first answer th question of what the defintion of WMD is before anything would be done. At least Bush went and got something done instead of just talking about it and bombing an aspirin factory (in the Sudan) to make it look like he did something useful.
Gallows humor aside, I'm sorry to say it but: why should we realistically expect an end to famine, disease, war? They've been with us throughout history. Man has always wished to eliminate these woes -- yes they keep getting worse and worse.
Tell the US gov't to quit giving NASA billions of dollars to use within their budget and the famine problem might actually go away. The famine and disease problems keep getting bigger b/c people for some reason think that we need to find if there is life on Mars when there some of the lives that we already have on Earth are dwindling away. So more and more money is spent on stupid things instead of on what is needed.
because there won't be anyone left to be on welfare.
That is not a guarantee. Just b/c an asteroid hits us does not mean it is going to be one big enough to kill everyone. The odds of that are even bigger than asteroid hitting us altogether.
Except that famine, disease, and war are being experienced right now by the world population. We do not currently have an asteroid that is wreaking havoc on the planet do we? Therefore the odds of famine, disease, and war affecting us are 1 in 1 (and they have always affected the earth) when the odds of an asteroid hitting us are 1 in millions maybe (and an asteriod only affects us once every million years possibly)?
That has never stoppped the US gov't from giving NASA billions of dollars to use for their budget.
And what is so bad about believing in the Bible? Everyone needs something to believe in, that's what faith is. Just b/c u don't believe it doesn't mean I can't. You obviously seem to care that I believe it though or u wouldn't have made the comment. You believe in all the textbooks (including history) that you read so why not believe in teh Bible? Oh I know, b/c you are afraid of religion for one reason or another. I suppose you think that all the Muslims who believe in the Koran are gullible too?