I tried posting an article about AIM installing spyware the other day - had no visible flaws, etc - and it get's rejected - and than this dribble get's posted.
What is going on here?! Sensationalization over real stories? What is happening to/.
Bring on the DMCA lawsuits when people mod their HTDV's hardware and firmware to ignore the broadcast flag - EVERYONE DO IT so that it become civil disobiendience.
I was listening to the broadcast - these are sedimentary rocks -- notice how they kept pointing out the layering? Also talking about laying down chemicals - also concretions, etc
that entire region is sementary
I understand your point completely, and you are quite correct.
Now to dabble into the subject which I hadn't expressed an opinion on before: Whether AV makers are right to do so
If Microsoft were simply to write AV software and sell it I would see _no_ problem with this. This is fair comptetition - nothing should bar them from writing the software.
However, including it with their operating system is walking on, if not walking across, the line. When they include it with the operating system many users will be happy to just leave it alone in the belief that they have an adequate antivirus software. This is same as the belief the Outlook and Internet Explorer and "sufficient and secure" because they're with the operating system. This is not even taking into consideration possible code taints from intermingling the AV and OS code and thereby weakining the AV software, possibly to the point of being ineffective.
If microsoft were to offer Windows itself, then with Internet Explorer, Outlook, Microsoft AV, etc as OPTIONAL addons - not bundled, then that would be completely fair - even if they were available as free downloads of Microsofts site (putting them in Add/Remove programs apt-get/yum-style, or in Windows Update would be pushing it) Why is this fare? - It requires user intervention, and therefore user thought they are more likely to ask questions, consider their alternatives ratehr than thinking that just because microsoft put one there that it is sufficient.
There have been some attempts to say that if Open Source did that it would be similiary underhanded -- which is completely untrue and unfounded. Why? This is due to the fact that open source operating systems are not made by a single vendor - they may be ASSEMBLED by one and that is called a distrobution. Red hat may bundle OS-AV1 and Debian may dunble OS-AVB. Not to mention to linux kernel code may or may not be written by the same guys as one of those antivirus programs. Just like most of the daemons, libraries, compilers, media players, web browsers, etc are written by people that don't dabble in the kernel. The very nature of Open course fosters competition - If Red hat or Debian are bundling one app (like AV software) with their distro and you're turns out to be better they are highly likely to switch to bundling yours, thus competetion is encouraged.
I did not say whether or not they're right to do so - I am not expressing an opinion about that -- I am simply posing the question.
I am [obviously] also saying microsoft should spend less time on a anti-virus program and more-time making it so those vulnerabilities are not there in the first place
I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the Morning.
I bet the anti-virus software companies are really going to like this one.
How long do you think it will take for Symantic, etc to file antitrust against microsoft. 6 months? 12 Months?
How about not making it so easily vulnerable to viruses in the first place. This is like putting a band-aid on a arterial wound. Microsoft needs to get a clue.
You've been listening to Interplay and EA -- that opinion was a self fullfilling prophecy.
Gameing Publishers: "We don't think there is an audience" so they didn't spend enough of advertising to promot the game
There are still people who stubmle across FreeSpace 2 and are like "This game is awesome! why didn't I ever hear about it"
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FYI I am a member of the following projects: FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project FreeSpace 2: The Babylon Project (B5 total conversion) Ferrium (founder, project leader -- in the forseeable future we will not be able to continue upgrading that spagetti code nightmare that is the fs2 engine - so we're starting to write a new one to take up the torch)
When EA bought up Origin I groaned because I knew it was the death of a good company, just like with THQ bought up Volition (not that Interplay was much better in that case).
After EA bought up Origion Wing Commander went into it's declining stages ending up with the catasrophe that was Privateer 2 on Erin's part and the nuclear holocaust that was the movie (On Chris' part). Thus died one of the finest and most groundbreaking gaming series in history.
I never paid much attention to Ultima but I knew it was a matter of time till EA did the same thing to it, I just read an article about after the success of EverQuest EA starting forcing Origin to make Ultima more Everquest-ish and less Ultima-like and thus removing and in forcing those changes it involved making Ultima un-Ultima-like thereby alienating Ultimas fans.
WAY TO GO ELECTRONIC ARTS - You have sucessfully killed two of the longest run and best gaming series there ever were. May you continue to spoon feed people things like Madden ever year with miminal changes and another $50 price tag.
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To the Origin Guys: Look to the community, we are with you, many would help you start anew to become what you once were. Weh ave confident in you guys.
You deserve a +5 "Stand up chap" for being so good as the check out what i said and admitting I was right despite my poor memory. It's really nice finding intellectually honest people:D
(about half the day i deal with the worst debators and mosti mmature out there.. it's... tiring)
you have me on those two - like i said my memory is not clear on which ones -- i remember reading that there were several but i do not remember which ones -- perhaps my memory is outdated and im thinking about 9x's and not win2k on those services
I said that some of the deamons are linked into the core and cannot be removed from the operating system, not that the core depends on them.
In other words poor design on microsoft's part on making non-critical componants irremovable
[offhand i don't remember exact ones, but SMB and what ever they call the remote control they embedded in XP come to mind (though that remote control can _supposedly_ be turned off)]
There is one flaw in your attempted reversal - typically there actually is a security patch for linux, typicall there is not one for windows
Add on to that the fact that windows [security] flaws are systemic and linux flaws tend to be in indvidual daemons which may or may not have system level security (See apache running in it's own user/group, same with mysql, etc).
Besides the fact you show you're a flaming conversative you also show you are unable to draw parallels between laws and events. I suggesting you read up on the history of the Nazi Regime in the prewar years in germany and then compare and contrast many of the laws and some of the events against the occurances in the US in the last three years.
BTW: A liberal must be someone who A) supports the constitution and the rights of all people B) disagrees with bush
Excuse me, just because something the german's do is something you don't agree with you call them Nazi's? EXCUSE ME?
Right now our own [US] government is a lot more like the Dritten Reich than the current german government.
As far as many europeans I know this doesn't bother them, because it's not more invasive than many other things that happen over there.
Be careful about throwing around the "Nazi" term - it may offend some of us around for many reasons, especially when it's inappropraitely and racistly used like you just did.
We've senn this over and over and it get refuted over and over. WE're used to living in magnetic fields, we evolved inside of ahuge magentic field that is prone to very large fluxes. Ever heard of a Class 5 Geomagnetic Storm? When you can see the Aurora Borealis at my latitude? (42 Degrees, [52 Magnetic]).
I was still in elementry school when I first heard about this kind of worry warting and even then I was sufficiently skilled in the scientific method to look at the data, and find some show stopping flaw with the expiriment.
[I'm probably going to get modded troll for this part].
The whole "magnetic fields harm you" concept is bad science, just like global warming is very wobbly science. These two issues are getting to about the level of "Creation Science" in my book when it comes to credibility.
>I'm convinced that Microsoft must not practice peer review, so most of their code has only been seen by one pair of eyes. Any Microsofties lurking out their care to correct me on this?
I doubt they would be allowed to - microsoft probably forbids them from commenting on microsoft's developement processes
I don't use STDLIB normally though - i use C++ classes --- this is still not a weakness of the language - but of someone's implementation of the standard library
New languages the give you less ability over good programmers is never the solution - and im cases like mine it's not even an option. I need to be able to tinker with to low level stuff, etc. I have to OPTIMIZE my code - C#, Java, etc. preclude code optimization.
implying that not having pointers is a "failsafe" is like saying a pen without ink writes.
If kerry spams me -- i'll send an email to his campaign HQ speaking about the evils of spam
If bush spams me - i'll send an email back bitching him out for sending me an unsolicited email and continue on to bitching him out for being a complete retard
Slashdot Mirror
[Go Ahead - MOD me down for this]
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I tried posting an article about AIM installing spyware the other day - had no visible flaws, etc - and it get's rejected - and than this dribble get's posted.
What is going on here?! Sensationalization over real stories? What is happening to
Bring on the DMCA lawsuits when people mod their HTDV's hardware and firmware to ignore the broadcast flag - EVERYONE DO IT so that it become civil disobiendience.
who wants to be some microsoft cronies set that up so they could do that
I was listening to the broadcast - these are sedimentary rocks -- notice how they kept pointing out the layering? Also talking about laying down chemicals - also concretions, etc that entire region is sementary
I understand your point completely, and you are quite correct.
Now to dabble into the subject which I hadn't expressed an opinion on before: Whether AV makers are right to do so
If Microsoft were simply to write AV software and sell it I would see _no_ problem with this. This is fair comptetition - nothing should bar them from writing the software.
However, including it with their operating system is walking on, if not walking across, the line. When they include it with the operating system many users will be happy to just leave it alone in the belief that they have an adequate antivirus software. This is same as the belief the Outlook and Internet Explorer and "sufficient and secure" because they're with the operating system. This is not even taking into consideration possible code taints from intermingling the AV and OS code and thereby weakining the AV software, possibly to the point of being ineffective.
If microsoft were to offer Windows itself, then with Internet Explorer, Outlook, Microsoft AV, etc as OPTIONAL addons - not bundled, then that would be completely fair - even if they were available as free downloads of Microsofts site (putting them in Add/Remove programs apt-get/yum-style, or in Windows Update would be pushing it)
Why is this fare? - It requires user intervention, and therefore user thought they are more likely to ask questions, consider their alternatives ratehr than thinking that just because microsoft put one there that it is sufficient.
There have been some attempts to say that if Open Source did that it would be similiary underhanded -- which is completely untrue and unfounded.
Why? This is due to the fact that open source operating systems are not made by a single vendor - they may be ASSEMBLED by one and that is called a distrobution. Red hat may bundle OS-AV1 and Debian may dunble OS-AVB. Not to mention to linux kernel code may or may not be written by the same guys as one of those antivirus programs. Just like most of the daemons, libraries, compilers, media players, web browsers, etc are written by people that don't dabble in the kernel. The very nature of Open course fosters competition - If Red hat or Debian are bundling one app (like AV software) with their distro and you're turns out to be better they are highly likely to switch to bundling yours, thus competetion is encouraged.
I did not say whether or not they're right to do so - I am not expressing an opinion about that -- I am simply posing the question.
I am [obviously] also saying microsoft should spend less time on a anti-virus program and more-time making it so those vulnerabilities are not there in the first place
I didn't say they were right to do so - i expressed no opinion about that -- i just asked how long you think it will take.
Think before posting, I do not appreciate knee-jerk reactions to my posts
I love the smell of Antitrust Lawsuits in the Morning.
I bet the anti-virus software companies are really going to like this one.
How long do you think it will take for Symantic, etc to file antitrust against microsoft. 6 months? 12 Months?
How about not making it so easily vulnerable to viruses in the first place. This is like putting a band-aid on a arterial wound. Microsoft needs to get a clue.
No, I've just been looking at store shelves. :)
That's the same thing as listening to Interplay and EA and other members of the self-fulfilling prophecy clan
FYI: Home of the FreeSpace 2 Community, and the Source Code Project
You've been listening to Interplay and EA -- that opinion was a self fullfilling prophecy.
Gameing Publishers: "We don't think there is an audience" so they didn't spend enough of advertising to promot the game
There are still people who stubmle across FreeSpace 2 and are like "This game is awesome! why didn't I ever hear about it"
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FYI I am a member of the following projects:
FreeSpace 2 Source Code Project
FreeSpace 2: The Babylon Project (B5 total conversion)
Ferrium (founder, project leader -- in the forseeable future we will not be able to continue upgrading that spagetti code nightmare that is the fs2 engine - so we're starting to write a new one to take up the torch)
When EA bought up Origin I groaned because I knew it was the death of a good company, just like with THQ bought up Volition (not that Interplay was much better in that case).
After EA bought up Origion Wing Commander went into it's declining stages ending up with the catasrophe that was Privateer 2 on Erin's part and the nuclear holocaust that was the movie (On Chris' part). Thus died one of the finest and most groundbreaking gaming series in history.
I never paid much attention to Ultima but I knew it was a matter of time till EA did the same thing to it, I just read an article about after the success of EverQuest EA starting forcing Origin to make Ultima more Everquest-ish and less Ultima-like and thus removing and in forcing those changes it involved making Ultima un-Ultima-like thereby alienating Ultimas fans.
WAY TO GO ELECTRONIC ARTS - You have sucessfully killed two of the longest run and best gaming series there ever were. May you continue to spoon feed people things like Madden ever year with miminal changes and another $50 price tag.
---------------------
To the Origin Guys: Look to the community, we are with you, many would help you start anew to become what you once were. Weh ave confident in you guys.
You deserve a +5 "Stand up chap" for being so good as the check out what i said and admitting I was right despite my poor memory. It's really nice finding intellectually honest people :D
(about half the day i deal with the worst debators and mosti mmature out there.. it's... tiring)
you have me on those two - like i said my memory is not clear on which ones -- i remember reading that there were several but i do not remember which ones -- perhaps my memory is outdated and im thinking about 9x's and not win2k on those services
I said that some of the deamons are linked into the core and cannot be removed from the operating system, not that the core depends on them.
In other words poor design on microsoft's part on making non-critical componants irremovable
[offhand i don't remember exact ones, but SMB and what ever they call the remote control they embedded in XP come to mind (though that remote control can _supposedly_ be turned off)]
many of those daemons are partially implemented in the parts you just listed and several of the vulnerable daemons are inseperable from the core
systemic because those deamons are often part of the core operating system, unlike in linux.
There is one flaw in your attempted reversal - typically there actually is a security patch for linux, typicall there is not one for windows
Add on to that the fact that windows [security] flaws are systemic and linux flaws tend to be in indvidual daemons which may or may not have system level security (See apache running in it's own user/group, same with mysql, etc).
Besides the fact you show you're a flaming conversative you also show you are unable to draw parallels between laws and events. I suggesting you read up on the history of the Nazi Regime in the prewar years in germany and then compare and contrast many of the laws and some of the events against the occurances in the US in the last three years. BTW: A liberal must be someone who A) supports the constitution and the rights of all people B) disagrees with bush
Excuse me, just because something the german's do is something you don't agree with you call them Nazi's? EXCUSE ME?
Right now our own [US] government is a lot more like the Dritten Reich than the current german government.
As far as many europeans I know this doesn't bother them, because it's not more invasive than many other things that happen over there.
Be careful about throwing around the "Nazi" term - it may offend some of us around for many reasons, especially when it's inappropraitely and racistly used like you just did.
We've senn this over and over and it get refuted over and over. WE're used to living in magnetic fields, we evolved inside of ahuge magentic field that is prone to very large fluxes. Ever heard of a Class 5 Geomagnetic Storm? When you can see the Aurora Borealis at my latitude? (42 Degrees, [52 Magnetic]).
I was still in elementry school when I first heard about this kind of worry warting and even then I was sufficiently skilled in the scientific method to look at the data, and find some show stopping flaw with the expiriment.
[I'm probably going to get modded troll for this part].
The whole "magnetic fields harm you" concept is bad science, just like global warming is very wobbly science. These two issues are getting to about the level of "Creation Science" in my book when it comes to credibility.
>I'm convinced that Microsoft must not practice peer review, so most of their code has only been seen by one pair of eyes. Any Microsofties lurking out their care to correct me on this? I doubt they would be allowed to - microsoft probably forbids them from commenting on microsoft's developement processes
Even more interesting is LNUX vs SCOX very interesting.....
.... SCO is screwed
which compile's strcpy()? good thing to know
I don't use STDLIB normally though - i use C++ classes --- this is still not a weakness of the language - but of someone's implementation of the standard library
New languages the give you less ability over good programmers is never the solution - and im cases like mine it's not even an option. I need to be able to tinker with to low level stuff, etc. I have to OPTIMIZE my code - C#, Java, etc. preclude code optimization. implying that not having pointers is a "failsafe" is like saying a pen without ink writes.
If kerry spams me -- i'll send an email to his campaign HQ speaking about the evils of spam
If bush spams me - i'll send an email back bitching him out for sending me an unsolicited email and continue on to bitching him out for being a complete retard