I read and re-read tfa and just coudn't see Sun *ever* doing this level of crap.
Larry may be a "great capitalist" but he's a failure as a human being.
Bad Larry! Baaad! (smacks Larry on head with rolled up newspaper)
Amen. And wasn't Kernell's dad a bigwig in the local Democratic party? Wonder if he was put up to it and hung out to dry afterwards. "No problem, if he's caught, they'll just let him go because he's a kid.."
Going through other folk's emails is dirty business - I know, I had to do it as a sysadmin many moons ago and about barfed on what I found.
I'm betting that Larry ends up taking the passive-aggressive path in that he makes all the right noises, divests some part of MySQL and completes the deal with Sun. Afterwards, he can do whatever he wants (he usually does in any case..) and his business plans are unaffected. He has to allow Neelie Kroes (EU competitiveness czar) her pound of (childish and unfounded) flesh if he want's this deal done. It's sad that this has devolved into a pissing match from what was a straight forward business deal.
The real losers are the Sun employees worldwide and those with scads of Sun-related experience on their resume's. I guess this is how IBM gets their revenge for being cuckholded by Oracle. Pity.
Found my Wife of 20 years at a Mensa convention (yes, really). She was the one who looked like 1) she didn't really belong there and 2) she was easily as smart as anyone else there.
3 weird and wonderful children and 20+ years later we have happiness.
I suggest you look for social activity among those who share the same interests/values - wherever/whatever that is.
H8s
Amazing that the RIAA/MPAA don't "own" more of the laws in the US with their contribution record.
Democrats: $11,163,030
Republicans: $2,104,737
I had always assumed the "Law and Order" party (Republicans) would be the major force and benefactor of the industry. I'm going to have to re-think my support based on these numbers. Five to one contribution rate over the GOP is a pretty telling statistic against the Democrats..
What's mine is mine.
What's yours is mine.
If I see it, it's mine.
If I want it, it's mine.
If you like it, It's mine.
If you say I can't have it, it's mine.
I can just see Ballmer mumbling these to himself in a dark office in Redmond. Anyone honestly want to gamble anything of value that this is not just another paving stone in the MS path to world domination?
Anyone?
Thought not.
Yep. And Sun looks to be cleaning NetApp's clock with their new filers so it's looking a lot like they're just trying to slow Sun down. It's a shame, Netapp used to be such a *nice* company to deal with - I guess when your profits tank you tend to go for the throat.
Actually, it should have been SciFi writer John Brunner who patented the virus. His 1975 book The Shockwave Rider described worms and virii in pretty good detail. The original Morris worm owed much to this book.
When I saw my first 1.6 MB Diablo removable disk, the rumor was "they go bad, don't trust them. Not as reliable as drum memory.."
When I saw my first CDC 300MB "washing machine" style disk (circa 1980) the rumor was "they crash - not as reliable as the Diablo.."
When I saw my first Winchester (Fujitsu Eagle) the rumor was "they crash - not as reliable as the old CDC drives.."
When I saw my first 5.25" Winchester I freaked. This couldn't be a good idea. I was wrong.
When I saw my first 3.5" disk I thought "cute, but it'll never catch on." I was wrong.
When I saw my first sub 1" high 3.5" disk, I wondered how it would perform. It blew me away.
When I saw my first SFF drive in the Sun 4200 server I was cautiously optimistic. So far it's worked out great.
Each one of these changes increased disk reliability and performance greatly. Change is good, conventional wisdom usually isn't.
As to backup and replication, think zfs: http://www.sun.com/2004-0914/feature/
Lots of folks are seeing this as simply a 2 socket server with lots of disk. With zfs it's more like a huge disk farm with an open, hackable interface and nice manners at the back end.
Not really. It's listed as drawing 1500 watts - that's about what 4 medium-sized Intel servers draw. Saw one at a meeting, took the cover off and the drives were only lukewarm. Large airflow for a 4u chassis.
Well, Intel truly is the hardware equivalent of Microsoft. They'll only change when forced by the market from the tried-n-true formulas that made them zillions. Problem (for Intel)is chip product design cycles are very long and (very) expensive to turn around.
I'm astounded that the Opteron systems from Sun/HP/IBM have not absolutely buried the Xeon market, but Dell still sells boatloads of slow, cheap (hot) Intel servers.
You folks in IT, WAKE UP! Intel's in the server dungeon till at least 2009..
Not just faster and cheaper - smaller.
Seems Sun's willing to look at performance as a complex equation, complete with heat, power and space. That they do it with AMD is almost a moot point.
Go Sun.
Attitude indeed. If you want to bash Solaris, then please do so. If you want to bash McNealy, then send email to scooter@sun.com. Please refrain from confusing the two.
I wrote some code on a SS2 about 12 years ago and found it recently when I was cleaning up things - just as a joke I pushed it onto a SPARC Solaris 10 system I was testing and it *ran*. It didn't whine about libc, or piss and moan about the kernel version, it just ran. That's stability.
Solaris 10 suffers from comparison with linux only in that it's not linux. It stands on it's own as a world-class platform with incredible stability and longevity. Folks, use the right tool for the job and leave the religious arguments for the trolls. Have we all grown so polarized we can't accept a decent OS that's a bit different?
P.S. BTW - the "review" left out most of the nicer Solaris 10 features - go read some other reviews to get a better scope of that's there, or just pull it down and play with it.
Clearly you don't understand the use of "open" in the SPARC case. It's arguably the most open CPU standard out there.
Everyone is pissed off at Sun for this perceived lack of "openness" when in fact they practically invented the term (see SPARC, OpenOffice, Java, etc, etc, etc...)
Let's see IBM open source DB2 or AIX before you start chunking stones at Sun.
Most of you are missing the core of the DARPA HPCS program goals. These are *big* computing systems with possibly thousands of CPUs and many TB of RAM. Look at this metalanguage as a tool for compilers to target where paths (routes) and resources can be configured for a specific task or goal in mind.
It's really a hardware or system-level metalanguage. Based on this, I think it's an idea whose time has long since come.
It's capacitive - not inductive. Should have good resistance to stray EMF, etc. Do you get problems with capacitors working in high EMF environments? Nope.
Good to see some original ideas out there. Chatter aside, I'm happy to see Sun doing *new* R&D as opposed to so many others (Dell, etc) just doing "D."
Sam's warehouse ( http://www.samsclub.com )
has a Linux box for $278 preloaded, a faster
(2.2 GHz Athlon) box got mid $300 range. These
"major" brands are no better than the beige
box screwdriver shops when it comes to supporting
Linux - maybe less.
Cheap is good.
Let's not forget that Sun has serious credentials in the opensource movement with the contribution of OpenOffice, etc. How useful would the average Linux distro be without it? I'm tired of all the Sun-pounding when leaches like Dell ride high on the contributions of others.
I think Sun got most of the things right today. Name another high-density blade server that supports both Lintel and 64-bit UNIX in the same chassis...
Yes - actually the Cobalt line has quite a bit of
vendor-developed content. Sure will be interesting how this changes when they move into the general Linux server market as opposed to their current appliance products.
Hmm, would that be the Intel *marketing* machine you refer to?
Without even shipping a single Itanium Intel has scared many of their competitors out of the CPU architecture business. I'm wary of any company with that kind of clout and the willingness to abuse it.
Thank you Sun and IBM for staying the course and giving us some choice. Those of you pining for an all-Intel world just need to glance over to Redmond for a wakeup call.
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I read and re-read tfa and just coudn't see Sun *ever* doing this level of crap. Larry may be a "great capitalist" but he's a failure as a human being. Bad Larry! Baaad! (smacks Larry on head with rolled up newspaper)
Amen. And wasn't Kernell's dad a bigwig in the local Democratic party? Wonder if he was put up to it and hung out to dry afterwards. "No problem, if he's caught, they'll just let him go because he's a kid.." Going through other folk's emails is dirty business - I know, I had to do it as a sysadmin many moons ago and about barfed on what I found.
I'm betting that Larry ends up taking the passive-aggressive path in that he makes all the right noises, divests some part of MySQL and completes the deal with Sun. Afterwards, he can do whatever he wants (he usually does in any case..) and his business plans are unaffected. He has to allow Neelie Kroes (EU competitiveness czar) her pound of (childish and unfounded) flesh if he want's this deal done. It's sad that this has devolved into a pissing match from what was a straight forward business deal. The real losers are the Sun employees worldwide and those with scads of Sun-related experience on their resume's. I guess this is how IBM gets their revenge for being cuckholded by Oracle. Pity.
Found my Wife of 20 years at a Mensa convention (yes, really). She was the one who looked like 1) she didn't really belong there and 2) she was easily as smart as anyone else there. 3 weird and wonderful children and 20+ years later we have happiness. I suggest you look for social activity among those who share the same interests/values - wherever/whatever that is. H8s
"..Character is what you are in the dark." -- Dr Emilio Lizardo
Amazing that the RIAA/MPAA don't "own" more of the laws in the US with their contribution record. Democrats: $11,163,030 Republicans: $2,104,737 I had always assumed the "Law and Order" party (Republicans) would be the major force and benefactor of the industry. I'm going to have to re-think my support based on these numbers. Five to one contribution rate over the GOP is a pretty telling statistic against the Democrats..
Solaris 10 goes to at least 256 cores,Nevada much higher. Why not just run it rather than simulate?
What's mine is mine. What's yours is mine. If I see it, it's mine. If I want it, it's mine. If you like it, It's mine. If you say I can't have it, it's mine. I can just see Ballmer mumbling these to himself in a dark office in Redmond. Anyone honestly want to gamble anything of value that this is not just another paving stone in the MS path to world domination? Anyone? Thought not.
Yep. And Sun looks to be cleaning NetApp's clock with their new filers so it's looking a lot like they're just trying to slow Sun down. It's a shame, Netapp used to be such a *nice* company to deal with - I guess when your profits tank you tend to go for the throat.
Actually, it should have been SciFi writer John Brunner who patented the virus. His 1975 book The Shockwave Rider described worms and virii in pretty good detail. The original Morris worm owed much to this book.
When I saw my first 1.6 MB Diablo removable disk, the rumor was "they go bad, don't trust them. Not as reliable as drum memory.." When I saw my first CDC 300MB "washing machine" style disk (circa 1980) the rumor was "they crash - not as reliable as the Diablo.." When I saw my first Winchester (Fujitsu Eagle) the rumor was "they crash - not as reliable as the old CDC drives.." When I saw my first 5.25" Winchester I freaked. This couldn't be a good idea. I was wrong. When I saw my first 3.5" disk I thought "cute, but it'll never catch on." I was wrong. When I saw my first sub 1" high 3.5" disk, I wondered how it would perform. It blew me away. When I saw my first SFF drive in the Sun 4200 server I was cautiously optimistic. So far it's worked out great. Each one of these changes increased disk reliability and performance greatly. Change is good, conventional wisdom usually isn't.
As to backup and replication, think zfs: http://www.sun.com/2004-0914/feature/ Lots of folks are seeing this as simply a 2 socket server with lots of disk. With zfs it's more like a huge disk farm with an open, hackable interface and nice manners at the back end.
Not really. It's listed as drawing 1500 watts - that's about what 4 medium-sized Intel servers draw. Saw one at a meeting, took the cover off and the drives were only lukewarm. Large airflow for a 4u chassis.
Well, Intel truly is the hardware equivalent of Microsoft. They'll only change when forced by the market from the tried-n-true formulas that made them zillions. Problem (for Intel)is chip product design cycles are very long and (very) expensive to turn around. I'm astounded that the Opteron systems from Sun/HP/IBM have not absolutely buried the Xeon market, but Dell still sells boatloads of slow, cheap (hot) Intel servers. You folks in IT, WAKE UP! Intel's in the server dungeon till at least 2009..
Not just faster and cheaper - smaller. Seems Sun's willing to look at performance as a complex equation, complete with heat, power and space. That they do it with AMD is almost a moot point. Go Sun.
Attitude indeed. If you want to bash Solaris, then please do so. If you want to bash McNealy, then send email to scooter@sun.com. Please refrain from confusing the two.
I wrote some code on a SS2 about 12 years ago and found it recently when I was cleaning up things - just as a joke I pushed it onto a SPARC Solaris 10 system I was testing and it *ran*. It didn't whine about libc, or piss and moan about the kernel version, it just ran. That's stability.
Solaris 10 suffers from comparison with linux only in that it's not linux. It stands on it's own as a world-class platform with incredible stability and longevity. Folks, use the right tool for the job and leave the religious arguments for the trolls.
Have we all grown so polarized we can't accept a decent OS that's a bit different?
P.S.
BTW - the "review" left out most of the nicer Solaris 10 features - go read some other reviews to get a better scope of that's there, or just pull it down and play with it.
Clearly you don't understand the use of "open" in the SPARC case. It's arguably the most open CPU standard out there. Everyone is pissed off at Sun for this perceived lack of "openness" when in fact they practically invented the term (see SPARC, OpenOffice, Java, etc, etc, etc...) Let's see IBM open source DB2 or AIX before you start chunking stones at Sun.
Most of you are missing the core of the DARPA HPCS program goals. These are *big* computing systems with possibly thousands of CPUs and many TB of RAM. Look at this metalanguage as a tool for compilers to target where paths (routes) and resources can be configured for a specific task or goal in mind. It's really a hardware or system-level metalanguage. Based on this, I think it's an idea whose time has long since come.
It's capacitive - not inductive. Should have good resistance to stray EMF, etc. Do you get problems with capacitors working in high EMF environments? Nope.
Good to see some original ideas out there. Chatter aside, I'm happy to see Sun doing *new* R&D as opposed to so many others (Dell, etc) just doing "D."
Sam's warehouse ( http://www.samsclub.com ) has a Linux box for $278 preloaded, a faster (2.2 GHz Athlon) box got mid $300 range. These "major" brands are no better than the beige box screwdriver shops when it comes to supporting Linux - maybe less. Cheap is good.
Let's not forget that Sun has serious credentials in the opensource movement with the contribution of OpenOffice, etc. How useful would the average Linux distro be without it? I'm tired of all the Sun-pounding when leaches like Dell ride high on the contributions of others. I think Sun got most of the things right today. Name another high-density blade server that supports both Lintel and 64-bit UNIX in the same chassis...
Yes - actually the Cobalt line has quite a bit of vendor-developed content. Sure will be interesting how this changes when they move into the general Linux server market as opposed to their current appliance products.
Hmm, would that be the Intel *marketing* machine you refer to? Without even shipping a single Itanium Intel has scared many of their competitors out of the CPU architecture business. I'm wary of any company with that kind of clout and the willingness to abuse it. Thank you Sun and IBM for staying the course and giving us some choice. Those of you pining for an all-Intel world just need to glance over to Redmond for a wakeup call.