Although I wouldn't really like to see it, they could also restrict downloading of ISOs to Mandrake Club members only until the boxed sets are ready. But I don't know whether they'd do this - they're pretty committed to the "free"-ness (as in speech) of (Gnu-)Linux
Mmm... I am myself a freeloader, and I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of months more than the paying people. Come on, it is still libre, let the supporting people have some privileges, it is THEM and the developers that make it free for us.
If it makes mandrake survive and improve, two months is better than never.
>Weapons Tech 33 may improve my score...but I'd rather have better guns/ships. It did allow you better ships, the more future tech you researched, the smaller the weapons, and more of them you could fit in a ship. Useful for the deathstar ships, you could fill them plenty with death rays...
Really? I can't remember the last time I had Outlook or Word (2000 and XP) actually crash, and I use 'em both every day. The 2000 line of products is a huge leap over the 95 line (which I will agree were pretty crap).
OK, it's only 10 years for the largest and welthiest corporation to make a word proccessor and a mail client stable. Impressive.
BTW, have you used, for example, MS Project? It's not a very complex app and ALLWAYS manages to hang the whole XP down when I use it. Sure, it is just me, there are a lot of people that doesn't, and now 2000 and XP are solid, bla, bla, bla.
It is just me or this kind of "MS rocks nowadays" posts seem written from a word template?
Seriously, I find XP stable if I only use word and winamp at a time. If I play a 3D game or another not-so-common app it is, ack., more stable than W Me (pffff), but nothing more.
> Sure, I sometimes want to use a GUI. But I don't need the entire desktop environment concept known from Gnome and KDE. Give me a Window Manager and nothing more. All I need is a nice way to manage the Windows on my screen, and of course a way to open new xterms.
You don't need it. 99.9% of the people does. I don't need it, but i'd rather see a form and some hints instead of loosing 10 minutes reading a geeky-composed man page.
You keep despising bloatware, but tell me what the hell do you want an AMD XP 2300+ (or a PIII 500) for, open an Xterm and start your gvim? Do you know what "progress" means? Means that things get easier for the user (or "integrated" for the programmer), and the price to pay is SIZE.
You feel comfortable with the bash, and I do. But I also want to print in pdf anything I find, and see photos without opening a gthingy by hand, and see other's instant message reach me in any virtual desktop I am, etc, etc, etc.
For an Xterm and a window manager, I would have kept my P120, it was enough.
Together Control Center is a modelling tool made in java and very java-centric (it creates.java classes when you make a class in a diagram, by default). If the purchase is true, it is going to be a funny thing to see how M$ swallows a company whose 2 main tools are centered in a platform that M$ hates. All in all I see this as bad news, it reduces competition in a field that already has very few players. > Microsoft in buying Borland aquires not only a UML modelling tool (Borland recently aquired TogetherSoft). But, they also purchase one of the better Java vendors out there. This move is both offensive and defensive. M$ gains a UML modelling environment while simultaneously killing off a significant segment of the Java tools industry.
And you are counting 256kbps for a tiny screen, when, for example the biggest bandwidth codec in gnomemeeting (for video) is 64kbps. For 320x200. Doesn't seem unreasonable, for me.
>(In fact, with gcj you're able to write native-binary GNOME apps using Java and the above projects... Admittedly, you're giving up portability but Java is nice, or at least interesting, for many other reasons.)
You can mantain portabilty (sort of, different dlls &.so are required, but that's it) with ibm's eclipse swt. The whole eclipse project is ported to windows, gtk2, qnx and motif.
I don't know if I am answering a troll or trolling myself, but I'm at work and pissed (fskng visual c++) so i'll bite.
"For example, the US constitution guarantees the right to life. However, that does not mean it is wrong or illegal to sell guns just because someone might use those to deprive someone of their right to live. "
Fact: The only purpose of a gun is to kill a person.
Fact: US constitution DOES NOT GUARANTEE THE RIGHT TO LIFE. You execute people under your constitution. Don't call it murder if you dislike it. But the guy is dead by other's hands.
You americans can ignore it if you wish, but don't try to give the world morality lessons, after that.
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http://appdb.winehq.org/ Useful, indeed.
But what I miss is a simple configuration/installation program. I have executed trillian under wine and (as you can see in appdb) it works almost 100%, but getting it to work wasn't simple, nor short. Great great project, though.
The only thing I liked of that damn sh*t film was the "one male to rule them all". Cool to be him. But I don't agree with you in the seeing another movie argument: that would force holliwood to make good films!!
They USED to have royalties from intel, until (AFAIK) intel stopped to pay... Anyway, you can follow the case at theregister, they have stories of this case since 1998. In the first one you can read: "Intergraph obtained an injunction against Intel in April, following its November suit alleging that Intel had indulged in anticompetitive behaviour, patent infringement and violations of antitrust law". I used to follow this case, and thereg seemed to give more credit to intergraph than to intel. Who knows who is right, though; I'm in a mess with this david vs goliath / bigcorp vs sponger suiters thing.
And guess what...
Nostradamus predicted it!
Apocalypse is coming!
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That is a simplistic rant, folk. >If you're a corporate user, use Redhat. Because you say so? Why everybody thinks that Redhat is the only supported distro out there? A LOT of little business are growing in the field of installing and mantaining little servers... and not everyone of them are redhat, beleive me. And if they are not servers? would you keep using redhat? wouldn't you use a distro that lets you install some windows software painlessly? Or simply a desktop oriented distro, a la mandrake... Why is choice so hard to swalow to you? I'm an mdk fan, but I like having many serious alternatives, with overlapped or not orientations-market segments. I wish Xandros, Lindows, Lycoris, etc. the best. In my own interest, if you like;)
(I can't believe this post got modded to +5) Mixed: >They're in the business of selling copies and support of their Operating System >Personally I think Red Hat should abandon the idea of giving away copies entirely. Sell the damn things
And why the hell you asume that everybody would run and buy that copies? How do you think they would test the distro? Making downloadable the betas and not the final thing? And why do I test the damn thing if i'm not geting the result of my work? just because MS^H^HRH tells me to? There are hundreds of reasons to let the thing download, many of them posted before.
Remember... RH IS COMMUNITY BASED. F*CK THE COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE F*CKED.
Well, they can do what mdk does. Make downloadable the core, add non-gpl things, name it mdk professional and sell it. Oh wait...
>This means you're really just paying the license for a tiny amount of the product and not the whole OS.
I don't see what is bad with this... they want to sell non-free software they made. So what? It is not good for OSS because it doesn't contribute to the community, but it's not bad. If RMS (or you) did not want GPL soft to be used this way... they should have not made software under GPL. They should have made it under a more restrictive license. And BSD-style software programmers are well aware of what its license implies, they agree with this kind of use because it is the difference between GPL and BSD. Maybe i don't understand licensing at all...
Target Audience: non-US You may don't like what i'm going to say if you are from the USA, you are warned... US Law is what Europe needs to surpass US power in tech. If they pass these laws (digital management, liability), their innovation capacity will be seriously hindered, and other countries will have the opportunity to build a real tech infraestructure of their own, not this little US-dependant shit we have. Sure world progress will suffer, because USA has not become the world leader in technology for nothing, and we have benefitted of it, but... it is their government, democratically;) ellected, so it is their fault Target Audience: US Please, don't let them do this. We have also stupid governments that a. won't know how to take advantage of this and b. with their stupid mimicism of US, they'll do the same to us.
>The problem is for companies like RedHat which sell and service open source software. So, form the commercial standpoint, it hurts linux >companies who don't have billions to spend on lawyers, like er um, microsoft. But it doesn;t hurt open source software Hummm... i don't think Redhat sells software, to sell something you have to own it and they don't own the software they PROVIDE you... Anyway, you can take advantage of the open source part of free soft: the licence can say something like: "This software's behavior is: #include <stdio.h>..."
Here it goes an unwanted advice:
Fast audit protection:
- Format ALL student used computer.
- Check management computers.
Better than paying "revolutionary fee".
Anyway, in Spain we say that "quien con niños se acuesta mojado se levanta".
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If it makes mandrake survive and improve, two months is better than never.
>Weapons Tech 33 may improve my score...but I'd rather have better guns/ships.
It did allow you better ships, the more future tech you researched, the smaller the weapons, and more of them you could fit in a ship. Useful for the deathstar ships, you could fill them plenty with death rays...
do you know how many mobile phone covers are going to be sold this christmas? It's not the same, but...
BTW, have you used, for example, MS Project? It's not a very complex app and ALLWAYS manages to hang the whole XP down when I use it. Sure, it is just me, there are a lot of people that doesn't, and now 2000 and XP are solid, bla, bla, bla.
It is just me or this kind of "MS rocks nowadays" posts seem written from a word template?
Seriously, I find XP stable if I only use word and winamp at a time. If I play a 3D game or another not-so-common app it is, ack., more stable than W Me (pffff), but nothing more.
Or just fire David Faure and the others who work for the Community and not for the company, uh?
> Sure, I sometimes want to use a GUI. But I don't need the entire desktop environment concept known from Gnome and KDE. Give me a Window Manager and nothing more. All I need is a nice way to manage the Windows on my screen, and of course a way to open new xterms.
You don't need it. 99.9% of the people does. I don't need it, but i'd rather see a form and some hints instead of loosing 10 minutes reading a geeky-composed man page.
You keep despising bloatware, but tell me what the hell do you want an AMD XP 2300+ (or a PIII 500) for, open an Xterm and start your gvim? Do you know what "progress" means? Means that things get easier for the user (or "integrated" for the programmer), and the price to pay is SIZE.
You feel comfortable with the bash, and I do. But I also want to print in pdf anything I find, and see photos without opening a gthingy by hand, and see other's instant message reach me in any virtual desktop I am, etc, etc, etc.
For an Xterm and a window manager, I would have kept my P120, it was enough.
Together Control Center is a modelling tool made in java and very java-centric (it creates .java classes when you make a class in a diagram, by default). If the purchase is true, it is going to be a funny thing to see how M$ swallows a company whose 2 main tools are centered in a platform that M$ hates.
All in all I see this as bad news, it reduces competition in a field that already has very few players.
> Microsoft in buying Borland aquires not only a UML modelling tool (Borland recently aquired TogetherSoft). But, they also purchase one of the better Java vendors out there. This move is both offensive and defensive. M$ gains a UML modelling environment while simultaneously killing off a significant segment of the Java tools industry.
And you are counting 256kbps for a tiny screen, when, for example the biggest bandwidth codec in gnomemeeting (for video) is 64kbps. For 320x200.
Doesn't seem unreasonable, for me.
>(In fact, with gcj you're able to write native-binary GNOME apps using Java and the above projects... Admittedly, you're giving up portability but Java is nice, or at least interesting, for many other reasons.)
.so are required, but that's it) with ibm's eclipse swt.
You can mantain portabilty (sort of, different dlls &
The whole eclipse project is ported to windows, gtk2, qnx and motif.
I don't know if I am answering a troll or trolling myself, but I'm at work and pissed (fskng visual c++) so i'll bite.
"For example, the US constitution guarantees the right to life. However, that does not mean it is wrong or illegal to sell guns just because someone might use those to deprive someone of their right to live. "
Fact: The only purpose of a gun is to kill a person.
Fact: US constitution DOES NOT GUARANTEE THE RIGHT TO LIFE. You execute people under your constitution. Don't call it murder if you dislike it. But the guy is dead by other's hands.
You americans can ignore it if you wish, but don't try to give the world morality lessons, after that.
http://appdb.winehq.org/
Useful, indeed.
But what I miss is a simple configuration/installation program. I have executed trillian under wine and (as you can see in appdb) it works almost 100%, but getting it to work wasn't simple, nor short.
Great great project, though.
The only thing I liked of that damn sh*t film was the "one male to rule them all". Cool to be him.
But I don't agree with you in the seeing another movie argument: that would force holliwood to make good films!!
And what about an old, standard, available and simple format?: rtf.
(and no, it is not read the f.. nothing)
And then why you slashdotters keep complaining about lack of competition??!!!
>Let's face it: The US-government is both incompetent and corrupt.
He he... Our Spanish-government is also both incompetent and corrupt, but you're right, it plays with an advantage: it is not the US-government.
They USED to have royalties from intel, until (AFAIK) intel stopped to pay...
Anyway, you can follow the case at theregister, they have stories of this case since 1998. In the first one you can read: "Intergraph obtained an injunction against Intel in April, following its November suit alleging that Intel had indulged in anticompetitive behaviour, patent infringement and violations of antitrust law".
I used to follow this case, and thereg seemed to give more credit to intergraph than to intel.
Who knows who is right, though; I'm in a mess with this david vs goliath / bigcorp vs sponger suiters thing.
And guess what... Nostradamus predicted it! Apocalypse is coming!
That is a simplistic rant, folk. ;)
>If you're a corporate user, use Redhat.
Because you say so? Why everybody thinks that Redhat is the only supported distro out there? A LOT of little business are growing in the field of installing and mantaining little servers... and not everyone of them are redhat, beleive me. And if they are not servers? would you keep using redhat? wouldn't you use a distro that lets you install some windows software painlessly? Or simply a desktop oriented distro, a la mandrake...
Why is choice so hard to swalow to you? I'm an mdk fan, but I like having many serious alternatives, with overlapped or not orientations-market segments. I wish Xandros, Lindows, Lycoris, etc. the best. In my own interest, if you like
(I can't believe this post got modded to +5)
Mixed:
>They're in the business of selling copies and support of their Operating System
>Personally I think Red Hat should abandon the idea of giving away copies entirely. Sell the damn things
And why the hell you asume that everybody would run and buy that copies? How do you think they would test the distro? Making downloadable the betas and not the final thing? And why do I test the damn thing if i'm not geting the result of my work? just because MS^H^HRH tells me to? There are hundreds of reasons to let the thing download, many of them posted before.
Remember... RH IS COMMUNITY BASED. F*CK THE COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE F*CKED.
Well, they can do what mdk does. Make downloadable the core, add non-gpl things, name it mdk professional and sell it. Oh wait...
Rich compared to 99% of their neighbours. (That are black)
And they are white.
Seems enough for a little "ethnic cleaning", this days.
Sad.
>This means you're really just paying the license for a tiny amount of the product and not the whole OS.
I don't see what is bad with this... they want to sell non-free software they made. So what? It is not good for OSS because it doesn't contribute to the community, but it's not bad.
If RMS (or you) did not want GPL soft to be used this way... they should have not made software under GPL. They should have made it under a more restrictive license. And BSD-style software programmers are well aware of what its license implies, they agree with this kind of use because it is the difference between GPL and BSD.
Maybe i don't understand licensing at all...
Target Audience: non-US ;) ellected, so it is their fault
You may don't like what i'm going to say if you are from the USA, you are warned...
US Law is what Europe needs to surpass US power in tech. If they pass these laws (digital management, liability), their innovation capacity will be seriously hindered, and other countries will have the opportunity to build a real tech infraestructure of their own, not this little US-dependant shit we have. Sure world progress will suffer, because USA has not become the world leader in technology for nothing, and we have benefitted of it, but... it is their government, democratically
Target Audience: US
Please, don't let them do this. We have also stupid governments that
a. won't know how to take advantage of this and
b. with their stupid mimicism of US, they'll do the same to us.
>The problem is for companies like RedHat which sell and service open source software. So, form the commercial standpoint, it hurts linux ..."
>companies who don't have billions to spend on lawyers, like er um, microsoft. But it doesn;t hurt open source software
Hummm... i don't think Redhat sells software, to sell something you have to own it and they don't own the software they PROVIDE you...
Anyway, you can take advantage of the open source part of free soft: the licence can say something like:
"This software's behavior is: #include <stdio.h>
Here it goes an unwanted advice: Fast audit protection: - Format ALL student used computer. - Check management computers. Better than paying "revolutionary fee". Anyway, in Spain we say that "quien con niños se acuesta mojado se levanta".