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Harry Potter & The Chamber of Secrets Leaked
huh12312 writes "Illegal piraters have done it again. On Monday, the second movie in the acclaimed series of seven was leaked onto the internet to the horror of Warner Brothers. With so many blockbusters due out this holiday season this problem will only increase in the coming months." Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway. I'll probably be there opening night.
You've been able to buy the script at any bookstore for years now.
call me paranoid, I do not think that these 'leaks' are
unintentional, I think the mpaa might be releasing them
in this fashion just to prove there is a problem, has anyone noticed the quality of the 'pirated prerelease' versions lately?
Unix, an obscure operating system developed by bored researchers in an attempt to get a better game playing experience.
Was a million geeks all hitting Gnutella at the same time.
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.. it will make millions, because nobody who really cares about seeing the movie will want to watch a grainy telesync with poor sound.
That movies are always going to be leaked and pirated should be no surprise to the studios. And it shouldn't worry them: even the pirates will pay to see the movies at the big screen - those who care about watching a flick will want to see it *properly*; those who would only pirate the film would doubtless have waited for the video release, at best, and the TV release at worst.
you could have saved us the trouble of looking for it on kazaa.
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I've already downloaded Episode 3 off of Kazaa! ... Today is Friday, if you disagree then I don't care cause I'll soon be in Ireland and you won't. So there.
I know my kid wouldn't settle for seeing some grainy rip of a movie at 200 x 180 (or whatever crappy res it looks least bad at).
Hardly a comparison to the movie on a big screen.
It's also not like you can't read the book to find out the ending, sheesh.
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Illegal piraters?
Wow, President Bush reads Slashdot!
You'd better watch that harry potter... Cos the philospher's stoned!
Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway. I'll probably be there opening night.
Oh, okay, so piracy is okay. Thank you for your social commentary "CmdrTaco," I'll be sure not to feel bad when I download it and the company doesn't get my money for a movie ticket or DVD purchase.
it's just a CAM release (DV camera without direct sound input, i.e. decent picture + hollow sound). i doubt that this affects their dollar intake.
This has nothing to do with Kazaa, WinMX, Limewire or any other P2P network. Its got nothing to do with pirates, or filesharing, or DivX. Its not the fault of DeCSS, or broadband, or the cost of cinema tickets and videos. It is totally, entirely, and completely the fault of poor security at the film distributor. There is blame on the part of people using filesharing, and no law will ever make that the case.
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"Opening Night", huh? It's been playing around here (Edinburgh) since last Thursday/Friday... Must be hard for you Yanks to lag behind!
I really enjoy watching a poor copy of a film on my small computer screen and 2" speakers, day's before going to see it in the theater. I was worried I'd have to see it for the first time on the big screen with surround sound. Thanks for saving me, kudos to you!!!!
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In the Cinema, not off the net. She said it was OK, on par with the first film. Daniel Radcliffe still can't act very well but the adult performances were fantastic as before. Also, this film is less suitable for very young children as she claims it has some very scary scenes for its rating (the Serpent in particular). The special effects were fantastic with the flying car sequence being performed very acceptably. I just wish JK Rowling would hurry up with the fifth book, but I suppose I'd rather wait another 6 months for a good book than 1 more week for a crap one.
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Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway
Of course it will, they may even help.
I'm still not completely convinced that the studio isn't doing this on purpose to (1) bring more attention to the movie in general (2) hype the threat of pirates to encourage bad legislation
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Forget trolling IRC for pirate info, just start come to Slashdot for all the news on the latest pirated releases! Doom III, Harry Potter, keep em coming Slashdot!
(sarcasm btw)
I wonder if Hollywood is leaking these titles diliberately (or at least secretly hoping they'll leak), so that they can go in front of congress and demand strong measures to stop this mad pirating of the "crown moneymaking jewels and lifeblood of the movie industry. Sure, Potter is still going to make hundreds of millions, but imagine what it would have done if it had not been pirated..."
Also, wtf is a pirater?
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I can hear the back room conversation now:
...um... ...oh, I guess copy protection has nothing to do with it.
This is exactly why we need better security on DVDs. I mean when you can just rip it straight from the disc and put it on the net its no wonder...
Damn, somebody's gotta fry for this!
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
It's more like four geeks.
Harry's Chamber Pot of Secrets has leaked? Gross!
And it's just in time for MPlayer's Sorenson support.
It's been on extensive previewing in the UK, since last Friday - it's amazing it took till Monday for it to become downloadable, really.
In my opinion, the quality of downloadable films in general is sufficiently poor such that the fact a downloadable version is available won't affect revenues in the slightest. Those most inclined to see the movie will go and see it on the big screen anyway.
The only reason I can think of to download a movie like this would be as a stop-gap till the DVD came out...
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...that this'll just add more wood to the 'anti p2p' fire, ignoring the fact that more DivX is probably exchanged on IRC than anything.
Why is this worthy of a slashdot article? Nearly every single movie is leaked to the net before it's released. And any movie can be found on IRC the day after it hits the theater. This is non-news.
Aw crap, ninjas!
From the info file linked to:
Release: 11/09/02
Quality: CAM
Some how I think I would rather pay and see it with none of the screen chopped off and in full quality (esp sound). Just because it exists, doesn't mean it is really worth having.
"...heh, heh, DORKS!"
It starts small, theivery by sneeking popcorn and cokes from "the street" into the theater, then it just gets worse...
reading the script in the library or bookstore years before release...
stealing the whole movie before it appears magically on the silver screen! it is too much! we are a lawless society!
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TMD-Moviez had had it for about a week now. Along with 8 mile, and Jackass. This is being commonplace, not the exception.
is this really a big deal? very few geeks and some college students will get to view this in advance with a terrible picture. C'mon. This means nothing. Oh that's right we are talking about HollyWeird. :~)
A hand up and a foot on every chest...
that the new state of lawmaking is to take away all responsibility from everyone and place it all squarely in the hands of the government. Once that responsibility has evaporated, along with it goes liberty, freedom, and the ability to choose to ignore the laws made by disconnected legislators.
A slashdot story for everytime a movie is leaked? I can understand Star Wars, but Harry Potter? What is the criteria for allowing leaked movie news to be posted on slashdot since its a pretty common event anymore? I can see the stories now, "Ya Ya Sisterhood 2 LEAKED!"
"Illegal piraters have done it again."
As opposed to legal piraters?
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So what? I downloaded Spider-Man, but I still saw it in the theater and bought the DVD. It didn't cost them anything.
The amount of money I spend going to the cinema and buying DVDs is mostly a fixed number: the rest of my money. No matter how good quality the Harry Potter II rip I probably will find on DC the next couple of days is, I'll still show up at the cinema, atleast twice. And I'll probably buy the DVD as well. I don't think *good* movies loose much money to piracy at all.
The not so good movies might loose some of their marked if they are heavily pirated. If I'd downloaded Reign Of Fire before I went to see it at the cimema, I would probably have seen another movie instead. That way Hollywood would still get all its money, but I wouldn't feel ripped of. I can't afford to see all movies (I don't even have time for that), so there is no money *lost* if that was the way it happened.
Now I bet the quality of the copy released on the net isn't that great, and even watching it might ruin the whole experience. Fitting punishment for beeing so silly.
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They let these things leak to create interest in the product. As nifty as your computer system may be, it's very likely that it's nowhere near the quality of a movie theater.
"Would it kill you to put down the toilet seat?" -- Maya Angelou
The release of Harry Potter is a crappy cam, and won't affect Theatrical revenue. It's almost unwatchable.
The bigger question is, does film piracy affect revenue at all? A film is not like music: Nevermind and Sticky Fingers will be just as valuable to me in ten years, and I'll listen to them a lot as a soundtrack to whatever else I'm doing. A film takes 100% of my concentration, (well most of it anyway) and you can't watch a film while you do something else..so film and music piracy are vastly different things.
Let's look at a few examples: In the Theatrical Window, Spiderman both broke box office and piracy records, hitting tens of thousands of copies a day at its peak.
In the Home Video window, the Spiderman DVD was released on pirate channels more than a month early and yet it still is going to break all sales records. 28 MILLION in preorders, which blows away anything before it.
The exact same thing happened with Shrek last year..most pirated film - most pirated DVD - best selling DVD.
While it would be difficult to quantify, it's possible that piracy acts simply as promotion when it comes to film: it certainly didn't cause the films above to fail on any scale, and probably won't affect Harry Potter either.
The million dollar question: could the use of piracy channels as a promotional venue actually increase film revenue?
Everyone assumes Valenti and Rosen are right: that piracy is damaging the film and music businesses. But Valenti was dead wrong about VCRs in the 70's and I suggest he's wrong about digital delivery and piracy in the 21st Century.
"The pie shall be cut in half and each man shall receive.....death. I'll eat the pie."
Over at VCDQuality there are screencaps up. A little too bright, but not bad. The quality seems to be improving since I've last seen a VCD Release.
The VCD Community is growing larger and larger everyday. It's common now at school to watch in-theatre movies on "Movie Days" because students bring the DVD's to school. (I've witnessed around 10 kids huddled around a PC in amazement on how some "l33t schoolmate" obtained the movie)
Though, a problem with the VCD Community is they release over IRC. They should do it over Gnutella2, eDonkey or another good P2P Network where each downloader also uploads to other users using Partial File Sharing. Releases can get out waaay faster on P2P than IRC.
I know this theory always crops up, but look at logistics. Leaked material of ANY kind, be it movies, music, or software, equal lost sales. Sure it sounds like a viable thing to do to people not in the industry, a staged disaster to try to get laws pushed through to prevent piracy, but no one connected to leaked material ever wants to see it happen. Why? Money. They made their product to make money, and I don't think they are going to be altruistic to their industry and lose lots of money intentionally. Losing money would be the exact opposite of what they want to achieve. Sure it makes for a great conspiracy theory, but it's just not a practical idea.
Props to UTi for releasing this. people who don't understand the scene suggestin' leaks? It was a DV camcorder in one of the previews, trust.
thanks kindly. I'm not big on IRC and the usenet structure is so friendly.
Anything you say will be held against you.
No need to reassume movie studio that this is no
big deal. They are going after movie sharing on
the net anyway.
Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway. I'll probably be there opening night.
Noted. But, hey, wouldn't those two cents make a nice comment, subject to the same moderation and responses as your readers' comments? There's plenty of room here in the peanut gallery, even for a millionaire such as yourself.
Also, the MPAA thanks you for your endorsement.
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Mmmm.. Free movies.
It doesn't seem like nerds are the target audience for this movie. I doubt many 8-year-olds are going to download it, so their major market still will see it in the theaters.
Also, it has been noted it was released in the UK already. Any movie that's been released anywhere might as well have been released everywhere... it's pointless to try and regulate stuff based on regions these days (like at the failure of the DVD region codes).
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Avast ye scurvie wenches. I've never seen such a pathetic and pasty white bunch of pirates in all my sea-going days.
Why don't ye grow up? Ain't ye got anything more intelectually stimulating to do with yer time?
Man - you are so f*ing funny. Nice twist, you had me hanging onto the edge of my seat.
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This paranoid speculation with no evidence whatsoever gets a 5.
I'm speechless.
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Grow upfaggits! will be watchign sci-fi in your parnets basement for the reast of yourlives!
At least we can spell. You should be nice to nerds, in a few years time they'll be the ones with all the money.
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I'll probably be there opening night.
Way to take a stand against the MPAA, Taco.
Just checked alt.binaries.movies, it's already posted as DiVX...
Movie companies seriously need to revise their policies on security, including preventing cameras from review theaters, this is simply sloppy when there's already been ample examples of leaked movies...
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
I've seen a couple downloaded movies which have a note that pops up stating "This copy property of Warner Bros..." and others that say "...if you are watching this, please call 1-800-...".
This, to me, shows that there is as much distribution from inside as from Pirates.
Of course, this won't be the line put out by the MPAA.
I still collect DVDs for the movies Id like to see more of, possibly special features, or the behind the scenes footage. If its a newer movie, in theaters Im still going to go see it since a poor-quality sounding, visually acceptable movie is still crappy. Id like to hear some dialogue when I watch a movie. I think the only movie I enjoyed watching "that way" was Ice Age, the animated, and the sound was ok, but I purchased the DVD this week, so Ill enjoy the rich color and possibly a better sounding soundtrack. I think it'll keep happening until most movie theaters are equipped with better security, possibly XRAY machines when patrons come into the viewing area, to keep out Video Cameras. lol
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It's nuked for bad sound. Thus it suck! Guess we'll all have to go to the theatres if we would like to see this kiddie-movie.
Slightly of topic, but the MPAA etc always seem to target the end user and the infratructure(P2P software), but never the problem(overpriced, regionalised, crap). Maybe if they did no charge so much for their products or/and have stupid release dates depending on which part of the world you live.
How does this relate to the war on terrorism? Well if you are aware of how the world is working(not the west way or east way, but the reality) with out any perspective, you will know the TRUTH.
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It seems that all the Hollywood movies I've seen recently are going for that washed-out, slate gray look of Saving Private Ryan. I'm thinking these cinematographers are now filming these things on budget camcorders in darkened theaters just to reproduce Spielberg's look.
Some are even resorting to adding a pixelized 'NB' or scary watermarks as a cheap play on audience emotions. Heck, some of these hacks are even adding audience reaction to the soundtracks or overlaying eerie back outlines of audience members on top of the primary action. I think we can blame Woody Allen's Purple Rose of Cairo for this new trend in filmmaking.
If these Hollywood hacks can't come up with some new visual ideas, I'm staying away from news servers altogether.
I've already seen Episode IV!
Leaked, hell - it was magic, I tell you... MAGIC!
That is all.
I think it is most important to determine who defeated the interlock system. I'd be willing to bet that person is also the pirate, or could lead to the capture of the pirates.
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Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway. I'll probably be there opening night.
As always Taco, you are right on the mark. They'll get a lot of cash anyway, and this clearly justifies piracy. That it's their product and that they should have the right to choose whether or not to share it with the world prior to its release, even if it was proven that it could boost revenue, is of no importance. Nevermind the tenets of capitalism. Who needs basic IP property right when you can have movies for free?
"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance" - Derek Bok
What would you say to the US government if they posted all the information (private) that they have on you online accidentally. What if Mastercard or Visa accidentally put your credit card # online when someone screwed up in administrting their network?
What if an admin leaves the password files as 755 and in plaintext for everyone to see?
What about a guard sleeping on the job? If something gets stolen is it his fault?
Accountabilty... I think that it can be the victim's fault. Sometimes, they were asking for it.
Tibbon
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I dont see how this can be called 'leaked' when its already showing in the UK? I saw it in a theatre friday past. 'Leaked' implies through dodgy backdoor at the producers, printers or elsewhere, this is simply the normal cam style divx's, nothing exciting for a movie thats already available in cinemas
Either way it is trivial to put a lens on the camera to compensate (and get the picture in mono).
The problem is not that there are priates in the world. There will always be people out there willing to illegally obtain goods and services. These people will find ways around all copy protections, etc. Anyway, I was excited when I heard about the opening of Movielink.com. I thought, Good! They are finally offering people a way to obtain digital downloads of good movies in a legal way. I thought the movie industry had sucked up its pride and admitted they needed to find a good business model around the Internet to avoid becoming like the RIAA. Well, looking at a sample movie, Harry Potter and the Sorcers Stone, in this case, I found some astonishing facts. One, they want $4.95 for a rental of this movie. Now, this isn't a new release. I can go down to my local movie rental and get the DVD for $3.24, and since it's been out now for quite a while, I know that it will be in. Two, the file is protected so that you have only 3 days to start watching the movie, and once you start watching the movie, you only have 24 hours to finish watching it or to watch it as many times as you like. It might be an OK thing if I got to watch it as many times as I like during the three day period, but 24 hours is outrageous. The most I'll watch a movie within that period is twice and that's watching it once on Friday night and once sometime during Saturday morning or afternoon. I'm not sure what message I should take from this download service. They do not seem to be providing any value to cause people to switch from going to the video rental store to get the DVD to their download service. If they want this business to succeed, they need to change a couple of things. I think $2 or $3 is the most you can charge for this type of service, as the renter still has to wait for the movie to download. Also, they need to allow unlimited viewing of the file during the rental period and not withing 24 hours of starting the movie for the first time. This type of service has the potential of detering some from pirating the films. However, it will not stop all.
If you're going to report warez Taco, might as well get it fresh (release yesterday, come on...that's old), and NOT nuked. This is garbage.
I think it should have been:
"Harry Secretly Leaked in the Chamber Pot".
it's just a cam from UK, where the movie first in theaters last week. so your argument doesnt apply, and thus is Offtopic.
So you get a shitty mpeg copy of the movie. VCD
quality sucks.
When there is enough bandwidth to start pirating
VOB files, it might be a different story.
He's the only quad in the world, who would be smart enough to figure out how to pull that off...
God hates Hairy Potter fans now? WTF? Dude this god fellow needs to lighten up and relax. What's he getting all pissy about everything for? If he's going to get all worked up about everything, maybe he ought not have made it to begin with.
Let's check the score board... So far god hates:
jews, women, homosexuals, anyone with a tan slightly darker than anglos, and now Hairy Potter Fans.
It's time we ask ourselves does god like anyone? Are you even sure he likes you?
The fact is that the entertainment industry does not take 'value added' seriously enough. They put two good songs on an album (blues traveler 'four' comes to mind) and expect the populous to pay $20. Why should they, just download the two songs from the net(or, for those who can remember, record it from the radio, anyone got albums from the late night full play?). The same is true for movie theaters. They have 30 screens, 5 movies, only of which one are worth seeing at the theater, and the staff antagonizes you the whole time. How much money do they expect make. And yet I do not see the movie industry, those great champions of legislating profit from intellectual property, doing a thing to help the poor suffering movie theaters. Rather the studios leave movie theaters to fend for themselves and legislate for copy protection in hope of making money on the DVD release.
Harry potter has buzz, is probably a good movie, and is squarely directed at the annoying child demographic. The leak will certainly affect ticket sales in some minuscule manner, but isn't going to make anyone homeless. It is too effective of a method to keep generally undisciplined children quite for an hour or so.
"She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
it's just a cam from UK where the movie was released last week. your statements don't apply, and are thus Offtopic.
Also note that it will make millions and millions of dollars anyway.
/. mirror but with my own advertisers. I know you won't mind if I take your work and profit from it.
So it must be ok! Thanks Taco...I think I'll put up a
Heh, in a way, I'm already doing the equivalent of p2p trading wrt slashdot. I'm running The Proxomitron which wipes out all the ads. So I'm benefiting from your work without making you any money.
Now here comes the part where all the Taco lovers mod me down without considering the point I'm trying to make...
If you statistics are true (which I have no reason to believe elsewise), then this is the best point that i have heard all year. :)
Too bad we can't mod you to like +10 or something
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it's just a cam from UK where the movie was released last week. it's not a leak. your statements don't apply to this situation, and thus are Offtopic.
people are brain washed to think that every time you steal a movie it makes baby jesus cry or some such nonsense. Like you are actually going over to the director's house and taking their prized collection of porn and candy everytime you watch a pirated movie.
I'm much worse then a pirate, I just simply don't watch TV. Don't see many movies, and try to buy as few cd's as possiable. All the music, tv, and movies that they try to get you to buy, if you don't even want them you are stealing potential revenue from the movie makers just like a pirate.
Am I the only one who sees that? If you think that pirating a movie is just like stealing, then remember that NOT WATCHING IT is almost the same. There are plenty of 'free' sources of entertainment (public libraries, going outside, talking to people).
If the big studios are keeping such a close eye on the effect of illegal trading, why don't they use that information for marketing purposes?
I got a bootleg copy of Kiki's Delivery Service (the dub shown on JAL flights, IIRC), and it immediately became a hit with the kids and their friends. So when Disney finally got around to releasing it, did I say "Pfft, I've already got that one"? Heck no, I bought it as soon as I could find it! So why won't Disney make it available again?
But I don't want to get carried away about Disney (that would be a whole other discussion)... can I safely assume that this myopia is not specific to just one big studio?
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
"..most pirated film - most pirated DVD - best selling DVD."
Hollywood wraps their tiny little dinosaur brains around that correlation? God save the internet from the onslaught of "viral marketing" spam that would unleash!
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oh, no! WB is going to loose a couple million! Nevermind that they are going to make billions on this franchise beffore its all over... Screw 'em, their money is in the bank anyway.
You are incredibly retarded.
this is a legitamate question. i am not trolling or anything.
the leak is a complete version, right?
so the movie is finished?
why, then, is it not fully released yet?
how come movie studios just sit on finished movies? if its just to wait for a more profitable release weekend then im just . even tho it is not the case today, movies are supposed to be made for our entertainment, not for the sole purpose of making as much fucking money as possible. you, the movie makers, should not be suprised (if you didnt do this yourselves) that the movie got out. why? because people are anxious to see it! NOT because we dont want to pay!
if the movie is finished, just realease it!
nobody says that you have to wait till friday, or memorial day, or whenever the hell you're projected to make maximum profit!
Gentlemen...BEHOLD!
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No, you're not paranoid.
I'm the guy that did the screen cap. I worked as an independ contractor hired by the MPAA.
They has a special section roped off for me at the sneak preview, and stressed that I wasn't too careful about the quality -- they just wanted enough of a teaser to get people into the theater. The bigwigs figure that for the price of a crappy download that nobody will be able to watch all the way through, they get advertising that can't be beat!
Why was this modded down? Maybe some people here would consider his work pretty "mainstream", but he was a damn good author and I think someone that a sci-fi fan could appreciate. So, please show some respect for the deceased.
Give me a freaking break.
-Lucas
You should be nice to nerds, in a few years time they'll be the ones with all the money.
Err, Rik, that may have been true circa five years ago, but have you picked up a copy of the WSJ lately? The revenge of the nerds has come and gone.
the theatres can't actually do anything to you for cam'ing a film.
they can ask you to leave - but they have to give you a refund. the only time they can deny a refund is if you are disrupting the experience for other guests.
they cannot take your camera, they cannot take your film.
they also dont have the authority to search you.
if they think you're packing - sure they can 'ask' to search you, and turn you away if they want.
so in this system, the cam'er just has to keep trying. eventually he'll get through when no one is looking (with 90-100% of ticket sales going to the production companies, most theatres don't adequately staff nor train).
and really, is my cam'ing the film illegal? absolutely not. just like my recording nfl games onto vhs is legal.
redistributing -is- the illegal part.
saying p2p isn't to blame isn't entirely wrong either. holding the software to account for this is like holding ups accountable for shipping god-knows-how-many illegal copies of vhs movies across the country.
those people distributing the film are breaking the law. this tends to be the cam'er, but isn't necessarily. so you can't just crack down on the cam'ers because 1: they're not breaking any laws, 2: it doesn't work
of course... then there's the nebulous argument of: is it illegal to distribute a cam if you are not profiting from it? it's not actually the transfer of possession of a copy of something that's illegal, it's the sale.
so is it really illegal if there's no sale? and is that why cam'ers and p2p distributers don't actually go to jail? i mean, the gov't tracks down computer criminals all the time and jails them. but when have you ever heard of a cam-circle getting busted?
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Film piracy is never going to cut into box office dollars, period. No computer setup -- not even one with a projector screen and 5.1 surround sound -- will ever duplicate the theater experience, especially with a grainy telesync. The big screen and crowded theater hold too much fascination for us as human beings, and it won't go away any time soon.
The place where film piracy will hurt the most is in the home video market, because DivX rips of DVD films are at least VHS quality, usually better in some cases. Still, the movie industry has an advantage over the music industry here, because DivX rips are hard to download and DVDs are cheap. Hell, it's easier to rent a DVD and rip it yourself then to hunt down a film on Gnutella, and even then, you're still supporting the filmmakers in some small way, because you're paying the rental fee.
If the movie industry can improve the video quality and service quality of sites like MovieLink and CinemaNow, they'll have the one thing the music industry never really created -- a convenient, inexpensive alternative to piracy in the marketplace. Gee, is that all it takes? Who knews?
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At some point, the MPAA will realize that these things actually serve to promote the movies. People will go to see the movie (provided it didn't suck, which they'd probably have found out from reviews anyway) to see it with quality that isn't terrible. Consider how many people buy DVDs of movies they have on VHS for the difference in quality there; now consider the difference in quality between a camcorder and a movie theater.
The MPAA has some clever people; it seems like they could figure this out. Or they could ask the RIAA about it; they've been paying ClearChannel tons of money for decades to distribute low-quality versions of music before it is widely available. Maybe they're afraid the pirates will start charging them millions of dollars to pirate their movies?
Copying work without the owners permission is theft. No amount of self-serving rationalizations will change that. You are not stealing your friend's cd of the Back Street Boys when copy it, but you are stealing money from the record company that owns the rights to the music (and Lance and his little friends).
Hide behind semantic hair-splitting all you want. It won't make a difference.
Boobies never hurt anyone. - Sherry Glaser.
Reuters (AP), Redmond WA - Microsoft has slashed prices on Windows XP for consumers from $299 to one dollar. Microsoft headmaster Bill Gates said in a prepared statement "we make bucketloads off our corporate customers anyway, we thought we'd just give it away to everyone else".
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Unless yer still living in your parents basement, which you probably are...
my guess is rise-of-the-drooling-microsoft-dependent-retard-ad min-types.
replace `admin' with `vb monkey' (haw, haw, programmer?) or suchlike to taste.
What would Jeebus do?
Or maybe it was the conservative Christians who want to ruin the movie companies for trying to teach bogus witchcraft to their oh-so-innocent and impressionable children.
Seriously, I've never read the books. I didn't watch the first one. I don't plan on going to the theaters when this one is released. And I'm certainly not going to spend an hour or two downloading a poor quality version of a movie I don't care to see anyway.
It was those damn owls, first with the letters to Harries house and now this.... Argh!
Hearing two geekboys complaining about how the Two Towers trailer "ruined it" by showing the "spoiler" that Gandalf wasn't dead.
The cake is a pie
Unless yer still living in your parents basement, which you probably are...
Dude, if you're going to flame, at least be clever about it. Next time, try something like "Unless you're still living in the cupboard under the stairs in your abusive surrogate parent's house, which you probably are..."
Gow what I wouldn't give for some mod points to slap you down (not for flaming, but for flaming uncleverly)
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is EvIL!!!!! Run while you still can!
Water is free from my tap, but I buy bottled water anyway.
Why?
Because the bottled stuff is better.
The same thing applies with these movies. If I don't save myself $5 by buying a VHS tape, why would I copy a DL rather than the original DVD. It's even worse.
About the only things DLs are good for is that I don't want to pay to se lilo & stitch 200 times in the theater. I'll pay once, then DL the movie. When the viedo is released, I'll delete the DL.
Wouldn't it be great if dweebs wrapped their tiny criminal minds around the fact that correlation does not imply causation?
I know it's not good for my Karma to reply to a troll (and be ignored along with him), but he/she/it makes a good point. Even if it's wrong.
Roughly translated from TrollSpeak, the poster is trying to point out that the huge popularity of the films is not a direct result of their being pirated. Shrek would have been a hit whether it was pirated or not, and the troll would like to think that the pirating is therefore completely unrelated to the film's success.
Since there's no causation, we should prosecute the pirates like the scum they are, right?
Well, hold on a sec.
If you extend that argument that correlation does not imply causation, then you've just blown away the entire advertising industry.
Say Proctor & Gamble advertises their new Demonic Tide on the TV show Friends. The next week, sales of Demonic Tide spike. That's a correleation, but is it there causation? What if it was just such a "hot" product that it would have sold big anyway?
Prosecute those who are making money from your IP if you must, but as far as the P2P networks and such... call it a "cost of doing business", and charge it to the promotions budget.
Stressed? Me? Of course not. Stress is what a rubber band feels before it breaks, silly.
I sat there watching, squinting, trying to make out the plot through grainy video and wavering camera, wondering why the hell we were bothering.
It did, indeed, cost Hollywood $6.50, though, because the movie sucked, and there was no way we'd pay to see the real thing.
But funny, this taping, which has obviously been going on for twenty years now, has not killed Hollywood yet.
The cake is a pie
Actually, that's exactly how it ends. There is no retaking of the Shire in the movie. Saruman dies in The Two Towers
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is that they are calling it "The Chamber of Secrets"
I mean, they had to dumb down the title of the first one for Americans, so I'm surprised they didn't call this one "The Room of Secrets."
Stupid sexy Flanders.
This pirates are screwing it up for the rest of us. Okay, I had ONE bootlog copy of a movie - a film that I would NEVER spend money on - not a penny. It was terrible quality - it was filming with a video camera in a movie house and fuzzy as hell. I through it away - I would have never had but this friend want be to see it because he loves the star (who I hate).
But you know what. I actually did like the movie. Now, I will spent money to see the star's next film - at a first run movie house, with THX and 35mm.
But my main concern is to perserve my right to make backups. To buy a DVD and make a copy, just in case. These pirates could have waited. There are MOUNTAINS of movies on DVD's. No one is short of something to watch. The priority is preserve our right to make backups in our own home. Don't screw with that.
I hate the way the copyright laws have become a nightmare. But these pirates are STUPID! So stupid, I would have to call it EVIL.
+2 Witty
Gow?
Technically, LotR is six books published in three volumes.
Anyone who is going to wait hours to download a movie just to watch a crappy scaled-down version needs to get a life.
Even if you don't like going to the theater, DVDs are cheap enough to rent or buy.
Most of your analogies all describe new items that are BETTER and/or MORE INTRIGUING than their predecessors -- cars over horses, aircraft over buses and trains, DVD over VHS. Please explain to me how a grainy telesync bootleg that took forever to download is better than a movie theater with a big screen and stadium seating.
The chess analogy doesn't fit, either, because we're comparing products here. Besides, wasn't it a team of human beings who wrote Deep Blue's algorithms?
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Film piracy is never going to cut into box office dollars, period
:O There is no reason an actor can't live with making 1M for a movie, and a theatre only charging $4 a ticket, other than WE put up with it.
What I wish the industry would realize is that they are hurting themselves. People are not not going to the movies because of piracy, they aren't going because for 1 things, the experience sucks half the time. What with adolescent teenagers running back and forth in the theatres during the movie to be with their different set of friends who can't all just sit the f*** together, and when they do, they are talking to each other not watching the movie.
Additionally, the concession prices are way to expensive, though they don't seem to really care if you bring a backpack in so I just load up before hand.
And finally, just like pro sports people, Actors do not deserve 10M for a single movie. How about paying the actors less, making the ticket less, and actually end up with more profit?
"Not knowing when the dawn will come, I open every door." - Emily Dickinson
I remember warez on l33t BBSs (No, not web boards. I mean in the stone-age, before Internet).
I remember Warez CDs from the only guy around that had a CD-burner.
I remember alt.binaries.(warez/mp3/gamez/appz)* (still there, for that matter)
I remember irc traders.
If anything, it was stopped by the 14.4k modem people were sitting on, not the lack of P2P programs.
Granted, it's a little easier and has made the general public aware now, but really. It's all a matter of convienience. If you really want it to end, shut down Internet. For that matter, better outlaw modem connections altogether.
I think P2P is overrated as the "killer app". Copyright infringement was the "killer app" not of P2P, but the killer application of broadband, P2P only being the most identifiable target.
Kjella
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Of course the DivX will suck. It's like the games. Try before you buy. I saw matrix first on DivX, before the release, and went to watch the movie on a real screen. I saw Phantom Menace this way, 6 weeks before release, and stayed at home when it came out. I enjoy getting a chance to sample the goods. If it's good, I'll gladly pay for it. You buy a car without at least driving it a few blocks? I don't. I like to know what I'm buying.
In my opinion, Scientology is a cult you should avoid.
"Opening Night", huh? It's been playing around here (Edinburgh) since last Thursday/Friday... Must be hard for you Yanks to lag behind!
Er, not really. Those of us "Yanks" with lives and wives will probably rent it in a few months for the price of a candy bar.
Just like it did to pornography
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Let the content providers whine -- it will ultimately undercut their chances in the relevant marketplace.
Imagine how MPAA will scream beforehand how this will kill their business. Imagine how few actual pirated copies will be released or available, PARTICULARLY if they do an even moderately decent job of policing.
Then, watch as the film in fact sets industry records as a blockbuster hit.
Thus, proving ultimately by clear example that the claims of DAMAGES from piracy are hopelessly overblown. Sure, a few potential future DVD sales may have been lost by such releases. (Count 'em on your hand!) So what? They will make a fortune.
Moreover, consider how absolutely ineffective anything but the most draconian technology regulation would be to slow or stop this minor dribble of piracy -- it will happen regardless of the fundamental social changes the content industry attempts to foist upon American and international technology markets, will accomplish little, and wasn't needed in the first place.
I've had the first one since before that was 'released' and still not bothered watching it. Because I imagine it being a painful cringing experience.
Now if we were talking about TTT that would be different, I want this film.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're wrong. While there's no proof that this is what happened, it would be a very clever tactic indeed. And while they often get accused of being greedy, rarely do they get accused of not being clever.
I doubt it was leaked, 'CamRip' anyone ? The movie was previewed here in canada, on Sunday. And apparently it was previewed in the UK a week ago.
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... to copy a movie or CD, but they just don't care the same. For one thing, you don't siphon gas from you neighbor's tank because you know your neighbor, and you know he'll get hugely torqued off at you, and maybe call the cops, if he finds out. After all, every car now sold has some form of anti-siphon fuel neck, because PEOPLE DO SIPHON GAS. For another, it's messy and smelly and you can simply get gas cheap enough at the corner store without getting your neighbor headed your way with a baseball bat or tire iron.
.sig below for my thoughts on right and wrong, and you'll understand my viewpoint on theft of intellectual property.
No, I think folks know it's stealing in the same way they also know that going 65 in a 55 zone is breaking the law. "It's okay, everyone does it." "I'm not hurting anyone (at least that I know and care about)." "It's cheap and painless." "Nobody will ever know." "Nobody will bother me for doing this, so I can do it with impunity."
This doesn't make it right, it just makes it common.
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Fine, yes, the movie leaked. So, the question that needs to be asked here is this: does the move studio lose money from this action?
I tend to believe that the loss of money is negligible. How many people are honestly going to spend the hours or days it will take to download the complete film? Now, out of those people, how many are going to watch it on their computer and then not bother to go to the theater or purchase it later on DVD. Finally, out of those who do this, how many would have gone and paid for a ticket or bought the DVD had this movie not been available on-line. I'm confident that this is a pretty insignificant percentage of movie viewers.
If they aren't losing money and those "pirating" the movie aren't making money, then why do the studios need protection? Copyright law is intended to protect their ability to exclusively profit from their work, and that is indeed happening. So, screw the studios, they've got all the legal tools they need to legitimately defend their copyright as it now stands. So let's just leave it at that and move on.
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It was modded down because he's not dead, its a persistent and obvious hoax.
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Well, the experience is always going to vary from theater to theater. A few chains where I am get it right. One small chain where I live that shows a lot of well-regarded indie flicks doesn't overcharge for tickets and popcorn, offers great seating arrangements, and actually sells beer at the concession stand. Try getting away with that at the local dodecaplex.
As for actors making millions, that's just capitalism in action. Sure, we don't think Julia Roberts should make $20 million for Erin Brockovich, but that movie netted somewhere between $50 million and $75 million in theaters alone, and residuals from home video are probably still coming in. Any studio exec will see $20 million as a relative bargain.
Of course, filmmakers are starting to see some real value in low-budget films by talented filmmakers, too. "Memento", "Barbershop", and "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" cost a combined $22 million to make. They grossed a combined $284 million (!) in theaters.
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Gee, spend 16 bucks (My wife and I) and go see it with full surround soung in a theater of fellow cheering Harry Potter fans OR instead, get to watch it from the perspective of a midgit in the back row of some crappy theater while someone in the throws of tuberculosis coughs non-stop in the foreground.
Now, if someone can get a good setup in an empty theater and get tied right into the sound board, that might be different... Maybe I just have bad warez connections...
Yes Francis, the world has gone crazy.
It is nice that I can see it ahead of time. But the experience of seeing it in a theatre is awesomwe. So I go and see it anyway. I have a collection of 350 cd's I bought them. I do not have copies. It suffices. And I am appalled that I have to pay extra for my data cd's as it is to "compensate" for the copieng of all these cd's. I think cd's are too expensive and I am now turned off.
Yep, nothing like
Yep, I'm sure there aren't any good reasons to sitting at home in front of a good home cinema.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
Ohhh, now that movie exec won't be able to get that extra ivory back scratcher.
It will only be worth watching if it is the Seinfeld version!
J.
So let me get this straight: a government-sanctioned monopoly is a tenet of capitalism?
I think you're confusing the status quo with capitalism. Which, as it turns out, is exactly what the movie/music industries would like you to believe.
Now all we need is a redefinition of "freedom", and they should be all set.
There's a big Bond movie opening in a week, and so the marketeers for HP have to get attention on their product before they get run over. So anything that gets people talking about the movie...
Leaked must be the wrong word. This is a screener, and it started in cinemas last Thursday in the UK/Ireland.
I don't call this leaked. Instead, I would asume this to be completly normal. This what happens to all big movies. First you get a screener, and then someone manages to produce a decent copy. Finally you get the DVDrip. As far as I know, this is the normal thing for all movies...
Anyways, in regards to the movie, I must say that I liked it. I think it was better than the first one, as more things happened all the time. It is fairly long, roughly three hours, but definatly worth seeing. See it in the cinema, as watching the screener (in my opinion) completly destroys the experience. The sound is really good and really helps you get into the "Harry Potter atmosphere".
Is this the sequel to that movie Harry Pothead and the Stoned Sorcerer?
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1) One of the only times I've downloaded Telecines/CAMs/CAPs, whatever, was "Episode I - The Duel". It had this file in it: "No frog men, no kids who can't act. Just THE DUEL.". It was great. I think it was either 2 or 3 minutes long. I'd seen the movie already, and there was absolutely no way I was going to see it again. But the Duel itself was sublime. Between the music and the poetry, and without any dialog... wow.
/ 05/051202.html) was on the nose.
2) That scene was more impressive in the theater. Yeah, seeing it on my 17" monitor is cool, but 75 feet across is better. With some movies, you want to be wowed by the effects, since the story sure as hell ain't going to do it. Witness Godzilla, Mission Impossible 2, Star Wars I & II - a blast to see in a theater, but MAN it would suck to see on a tiny screen.
The one killer app theaters have is that they can create a better experience than you can get at home. Huge screens, GOOD sound systems (not LOUD! but good quality - I saw Fifth Element 13 times, in 5 different theaters. ALL of them had bass issues during the opening scene. My NHT sub/speakers performed flawlessly), no cell phones, no idiots talking through the movie, etc. Then you're not paying for the movie, but the experience of having watched the movie.
All that being said, I also downloaded part of Battlefield Earth. There's no way the movie could be any worse, big screen or not. I loved the book, but Ebert's review (http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/ebert_reviews/2000
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The bigger question is, does film piracy affect revenue at all? A film is not like music: Nevermind and Sticky Fingers will be just as valuable to me in ten years, and I'll listen to them a lot as a soundtrack to whatever else I'm doing. A film takes 100% of my concentration, (well most of it anyway) and you can't watch a film while you do something else..so film and music piracy are vastly different things.
... I saw it on a crappy, cam avi. Good, but not good enough for me to go to the theatre and violate my boycott.
Copyright violations of films definitely affect revinue, at least in the details. Whether or not it affects the overall bottom line, and if so in which direction, is debatable.
I've been actively boycotting Hollywood since the DeCSS debacle, and have talked several friends and family members into doing the same. That having been said, I do see movies on HBO (condo association pays for it, so I get the channel whether or not I want it), and I have downloaded a couple of movies just for the wow factor. I later deleted them, as that is not an activity I want to be involved in, particularly if and when the entertainment cartels start sending jackbooted thugs around to people's homes.
So, my anectdotal evidence as one datapoint among millions, which may or may not be representative of any trends, pro or con, on this issue, but certainly demonstrate that copyright violations do impact revinue:
1) Spiderman. Good movie
2) Star Wars II: a movie I was actually going to go see (in its 3rd or 4th week, to minimize the percentage of my money that would go back to Hollywood vs. what goes to the theatre). A crappy CAM version that sucked, though not nearly as much as the movie itself did. After seeing how BAD that movie was I avoided it like the plague, and will never buy it on video, dvd, or pay to see it in a theatre. That act of copyright violation cost Lucas not just the one movie ticket sale, about $9.50 here in Chicago, but all the movie ticket sales of my friends whome I warned not to go see such a shitty movie. It is debatable whether we all would have gone on the same night, so some of those sales were lost anyway, due to the crappy quality of the movie, including probably my own, since I would have seen it much later than my friends. Difficult to know exactly now that would have played out, but clearly it did affect who went to see what, or didn't, and when.
2) Lord of the Rings: a beautiful movie. Absolutely brilliant (and a high quality DVD rip). I just purchased the director's cut collector's box, my first DVD purchase since the DeCSS debacle (and quite possibly my last, at least for a time) because the movie was so good, I enjoyed it so much, and I did want to reward and support the creators of the movie with my money, despite boycotting their industry in general. This was a $50.00 sale that would not have happened had I not downloaded and watched the movie illegally, as I never would have gone to see it in the theatre (indeed, I didn't anyway) and would have been content to wait for it to come out on HBO in a few months/years.
Taken together, do these three copyright violations help, or hurt, the industry? Difficult to say (more difficult, because I don't do that sort of thing anymore, indeed I stopped shortly after I began, once the 'wow, neat!' factor wore off), but affect it they certainly did.
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"What does that say about them if an "idiot" is constantly kicking their butt left and right?"
First of all, never underestimate what being rich, having advisors who think for you, having a father who is an ex-president, and having a brother who MADE SURE you wrongly won the election , will get you.
Secondly. Oh yea, he's doing a great job running our a economy into the ground. Thanks G.W., more tax cuts on projected surplus revenues that aren't going to be available please!
Point #1 (no Scouring of the Shire) is reasonably well-corroborated, but point #2 is solidly in the realm of rumor. A number of interviews with Christopher Lee, for example, have implied that he will appear in all three films.
With so many blockbusters due out this holiday season this problem will only increase in the coming months.
I was going to make a bitter riposte to this about how sucky the holidy movie fare really looks, then I remembered that blockbusters and good movies tend to share little in common anyway.
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"That ends with them throwing the ring in the volcano, right?" Well, it doesn't end there. They go home and some thugs have taken over the Shire and...I mean, yeah, that's how it ends.
Actually, that's exactly how it ends. There is no retaking of the Shire in the movie. Saruman dies in The Two Towers
Uh...what about Frodo and Bilbo and Gandalf departing from the Grey Havens? And Merry and Pippen, etc., riding back to Hobbiton without them? That was one of the best parts of the book -- incredibly sad, poignant, and CUT OUT OF THE FRICKING MOVIE?!?!?!?!?!! Come on!!
You mean that Glenn Yarbrough won't sing the Road goes ever on and on? Are you telling me the animated fricking Kasey Casem version has a better ending that the Peter Jackson one?!?!??? I feel so betrayed! Galadriel had better show her f-ing tits, or I'm definitely not going to see Return of the King.
Lots of petrified grits
Well, I'm using gpl'd code in my commercial/closed source product, but millions of people can still get that gpl'd code from the original source, so it's alright.
I forgot to mention. Keep "the war on terrorism" propaganda at a fever pitch so that Americans not only constantly feel insecure, but they vote hardliner Republicans into office in a election year.
Remember the only way to stop terrorism is to make an ass of yourself by repeating the praise "Axis of Evil" but then spy on your own citizens with an expanded government agency while at the same time claiming your for "reducing the government's presense in our lives".
Your right G.W. does kick ass.
I'll probably be there opening night
If you're going to the snack bar, can you get me a box of Snowcaps and a Mountain Dew? Thanks. I'll pay you later.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
It amazes me that anyone could make a digital copy of a movie that has not been released to theaters without the cooperation of someone involved in making or distributing the movie. How would you do it otherwise?
I also think that anyone who really wanted to see that movie would pay to see it in a theater eventually.
Why is it always the really big movies that get pirated a week before they're released? Why didn't this happen to Freddie Got Fingered or Jackass, The Movie?
I too have to suspect some movie industry involvement in these leaks.
read the fs'cking NFO file people.
:: CAM
Quality
This means that someone captured it using a CAMera in the theater, most likely in the UK where the movie was released publically. This also means that if the piraters were really *good* they would patch into the sound board. otherwise you'll hear the difference (audience noise, room tone) Also the screen will be cut off on the sides and picture will have a grainy look to it. For it to be *leaked* like LOTR would involve someone with a screener copy (in this case a DVD sent to the Oscar's panel) releasing the data to the internet.
Before the movie goes to home video another release will occur that will be of much higher quality. (sorry to spoil it for those of you playing along at home)
hasn't the movie already been out in England for a week? Doesn't make it very hard to get a screener now does it?
Seriously? Then why'd they leave in Galadriel showing Frodo the Shire in the bowl thing? Before I saw that, I was kinda expecting the Shire bit to get cut, but that sorta makes a connection necessary. Or at least I thought so. Whatever. I guess they're taking the Star Wars prequel route and hoping everybody forgets the other movies and don't notice any of the inconsistencies. Nice work there.
When will the MPAA realize that their profit loss isn't because of piracy but more because of the fact that with a few marked exceptions, most movies suck?
-not intended as a bash at harry potter, i think any movie that gets kids aquanted with alternative philosophies such as magick and witchcraft is good. Most people are far too closed-minded these days.
Our greatest enemy is neither a single man, nor is it a nation, it is, as it has always been, our own greed.
I don't read on my spare time, but really now...
The movie and the book are exactly the same thing. It is bunk. I live in Canada and it cost me nearly $14 to see a movie. I sure as heck am not goign to pay that to see harry potter. I will download it and watch it free. If I like it, I will tel lsomeone to go see it. But is the end of it for me.
It Harry Potter for crying out-loud...a.k.a CRAP!
It is not as though it is Lord of The Rings, which at least strays from the book a little...
Go see 8 mile...a fairly orignal story...
my point is, just read the book...I am sure your imagination is better then theirs anyway.
This reminds me, some associates d/l'ed a copy of Star Wars EP2 from IRC, 3 CDs in SVCD format, absolutely beautiful quality. Mind you this was over a month ago, and I don't believe there were any releases of the EP2 DVD around then, right?
I suggested it must've been a rip from tapping a theater's equipment, but another claimed the quality was too good for that. There were no subtitles at all in the rip, not even for the non-homo-sapien dialogue.
Yep. GW won the election thanks to reverse vampires, in conjunction with the RAND corporation, under the supervision of the saucer people. You know alot about the President, do you know him personally, or are you just talking out of your ass like everyone else? I wish I knew the "Truth" like you. Someday maybe...
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Released on the net to the horror of the producers?
You mean, the same producers who sell bootleg copies through the backdor in order to finance their "nose habit"? You mean, those producers?
Sorry guys; I'll never feel sorry for movies or music producers, especially when the monetary loss involved is nil, like in this case.
Watching a grainy, wobbly, bad sounding prerelease of a (soon to be) classic movie recorded with a camcorder is about as anticlimatic as losing your virginity to a farm animal. Get real -- this will hurt the movie industry about as bad as 16KB mp3 encoded from a tape of a new cd optained by placing a boom box in front of a speaker with a short in it will hurt the music industry. It will do nothing more than spoil a good experience for the consumer.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
After hearing that TTTowers was up and around last week, I checked Kazaa (using Kazaa Lite, of course) for it. I found several copies, one of which was coming from a blazing connection. I did a search for all files on that computer and found 3 versions each of several brand-new movies. 2 versions that were split into 2 parts and a third version split into 3 parts. I downloaded a couple files from the different movies and versions (just to check) and sure enough, every file was a long, silent, blank video file.
I doubt a user would go through the trouble of doing all that just to piss people off. the typical user method of doing that is renaming movies (like the "Jackass: the Movie" file I downloaded this weekend, which was really "Sorority Boys" renamed).
As opposed to Legal Pirates? Which would be... what? The IRS? RIAA?
If Google really cared they would fix Android Chrome to reflow text, instead of discriminating
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It's interesting that people pirate songs, but not albums; and movies, not specific scenes. Why? At least with music you can hear it on the radio--and if it's a good album, chances are you'll hear several songs released as singles. For example, if you like U2, I'd reckon that you'd have figured out that Joshua Tree is a good album since pretty much every song was played on the radio. The counterargument to your Blue Traveler Fore! argument is that an album is like a newspaper--you might not like all of the songs on it, but they may be ones that the band feels you ought to hear--you might not want to hear a ska version of "Sweet Home Alabama", but some band might think that it says something. I don't know what, it's art. If the public takes a consumer point of view (I want my music a la carte!) then the market will orient itself to providde that service. If bands would produce albums that are an artistic whole (sort of like The Who's Tommy) and people would recognize that as such, then I wonder if the piracy model would be the same today. My point is that the music world was once more aligned to a better artisitc model: a song played on the radio could be previewed for free, with the understanding that it was indicative of a larger body of work. Cammed movies should be seen, I feel, as the equivalent of a song playing on a radio.
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Illegal piraters have done it again.
This is very bad...before all the films were stolen by legal piraters.
We as a community should do something about illegal pirater. We should always support legal piraters.
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They will save all those parts for the extra special trilogy 15 disc set, which will bereleased after the third movie's special edition with the extra hour of special added footage not included in prior versions, of course.
Degaussing scares the bad magnetism out of the monitor and fills it with good karma.
I've read a lot of the posts that the nerds have made available, and they're all semmingly well written .. and thoughtful, but they flow along a simple thread: denial. People that "backup" their CDs with the aid of Kazaa or "preview" movies, however crappy they might be, ARE STEALING.
I hate the MPAA & RIAA as much as any of you, but lets be frank, 99.9% of people that make these "backups" and enjoy these low quality "previews" are definitely stealing.
I think when you try to justify the release of pirated movies by saying all of htose people will want to see ht movies in theatres, or wont enjoy the crappy quality of the movie, etc., you only prove that you are willing to rob the local blockbuster.
If you really want to take the "moral highground" or any ethical stance, you will understand that stealing is not a good thing. You make your money, and then you go and purchase access to whatever you need. Don't try and justify stealing by magically assuming it's not going to cause a dent for somebodie's paycheck. Puuhhlleasee.
It's funny how these pirates also except hd's and stuff... lol, you'd think the MPAA would send them the poison gas i'm sure they're developing. (Heck, the MPAA is almost another Iraq.. seriously, P2P destruction is just the start)
Harry Potter is mildly nerdy, but not gay or shit.
LoTR is nerdy, gay and shit.
Anime is nerdy and gay, but not necessarily shit.
Star Wars is nerdy and shit but not gay.
Star Trek is gay.
B5 is just nerdy.
There is no EULA on a movie. It's copyrighted material that is sold, not licensed. Distributing media without expectation of payment is not piracy. There is no copyright violation in giving away free information even if the information itself is copyrighted. The copyright is a right to exclusively profit from the media, if there is no profit it doesn't concern copyright and shouldn't be called piracy or theft or anything of the sort.
"Galadriel had better show her f-ing tits, or I'm definitely not going to see Return of the King."
LOL That was classic.
Yeah, I've been trolled, whatever...
Namely, that the books promote witchcraft, Satanism, and ideas that are diametrically opposed to the moral foundation that this country was founded on.
Except for the minor fact that the idea of which you speak is freedom from religious persecution. Last I checked, Satanism, Wicca, and the like were religions. Perhaps they're not religions which you support, but they're religions, and are guaranteed freedom by the first amendment to the constitution to worship in the manner of their choosing. Of course if they start killing sacrificial virgins and the like, the cops might not appreciate it, but by and large, there's nothing you can do about it.
And anyway, this is an old argument; the Religious Reich trotted this out in the early 80's when Dungeons and Dragons was first hitting it really big. Wasn't true then, and it still isn't.
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First, I do have to agree with you on one point. Intellectual Property balanced with Fair Use and Unregulated Use is very promising...
I'm not just be a semantic prick here, you are being obtuse equating two very different things.
Equating copyright infringment with theft is like equating manslaughter with murder. In both examples, the similarities make you want to equate them, but there is that one semantic difference that changes everything.
Is it theft when there are no copyright laws?
Is it theft (copyright infringement) when a teacher photo copies an newspaper article for the class to read?
Is it theft (copyright infringement) when copyright law allows for non-commercial copying (selling unauthorized copies)?
Is it theft (copyright infringement) when you videotape a party with copyrighted music in the background, and send copies to your friends? (Assume the quality is near perfect)
If copyright is theft, why don't you enlighten us, when situations ARE and ARE NOT theft?
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Sorry - GPL, bar people from using it in a certain fashion (closing the source, etc.) Got whipped up in a righteous fury there...
Already got tickets for this movie =)
.. if I can't copy them from a friend or someone else with quality kept (vobs anyone =) )..
.. I really need another harddrive ..
Personally I buy the movies I think is good
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I really HAD another userid
you know its shit like this that gives the MPAA and the RIAA their cannon fodder when buying laws in congress. why don't people have some fucking resposibility? shit! we're making the case for the RIAA and the MPAA by pulling shit like this!
May be this is why there are so many fast cuts during movies nowadays.
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Probably not if you don't already have tickets. In my state the first two days are already sold out.
Ok, I've seen a few threads commenting on the concept of intellectual property in general. This message, and more specifically its reply, made me really think. The author of the reply tries to make the point that copying data is not stealing.
This is all well and good, this debate has been around for a long time. But here's a new twist: How in the world can you complain when someone tries to protect his own intellectual property using his own methods (breaking CD's, etc)? You aren't allowing him any legal protections, so therefore, he is perfectly justified in protecting his content as he sees fit. You can have it one way or another, but not both.
Sneaking into a theater with a camera is nothing new. This wasn't any more of a leak than borrowing your movie critic friends VHS tape was 10 or 15 years ago. It's sad that such powerful software progress like P2P will pay the price for "leaks" that have existed for years. And I'm still under the impression that with movies this big, "leak" publicity stunts like this only serve to promote the movies release, not hinder it. I'de have to agree with schlach that we are talking about a very small demographic that would cut into movie sales.
How's that work?
"Well, we need to trim it down a little bit, so rather than bringing down the 45-minute battle scene, we're just cut out a MAJOR JOSEPH CAMPBELL PLOT POINT."
*sigh*
Another spoiler:
So if they cut out the Shire-saving, when the hell is Frodo going to actually be a hero? When he doesn't cast the ring in the pit and puts it on and runs away? Pretty damn heroic if you ask me.
Seriously, it seems pretty silly to have your main character go through all that and not end up a hero in the end. The Shire bit was what made me think so highly of Frodo. I thought it was pretty anti-climactic the way that the ring was destroyed, and the Sharkey/Shire bit really salvaged the character IMO.
Oh well. Two Towers will rock...
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Y'know, with all the people bitching and moaning "moderation this moderation that", has it ever occurred to you that this site is (primarily) Taco's site so he can do whatever the fuck he wants to within the bounds of what OSDN lets him do? I mean, seriously. If you're not paying subscription, maybe you should march up and demand your $0 back. If you are paying subscription, the site hasn't changed at all in the last 3 years and you should have known what you were getting yourself into.
If you dislike it so much, leave.
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That song was actually one of the really, really good parts about the Rankin/Bass Return of the King. I've actually emailed Yarbrough's management outfit about where I could get a CD with it, but to no avail. It might *ahem* be available on a P2P network, but, I, ah, suspect, that the quality isn't the best.
Lots of petrified grits
It's a fairly clear picture with a minimum of bobbing from camera adjustments (though the clunking of the buttons and lens is audible throughout the video). The sound quality is bad, really bad, sounds like they stuck a microphone in a bathroom right next to the theater. Still, for a sneak preview it's good, I would advise those interested in it to catch a matinee at least. As far as cam jobs go, it's adequate, but I agree with those saying it comes nowhere beating the theater experience.
The MPAA obviously won't care since it argues against their stance, but they're going to get their money irregardless.
Just because you can mod me down, doesn't mean you're right. Shoes for industry!
This was a lot funnier the first time!
*sigh*
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Aye, but see, the social security program was created to work on the assumption that only about 10% of the population would collect for more than five years. By the time you're 105, that'll likely be true again. Besides - it's time we end this sham of a MIMO program and instead have individual savings accounts. Our cash going to fund today's retirees who paid in far less than a fair share is a joke.
So the US killed a few children. Big fucking deal. Have you ever looked up the casualty figures for previous wars? Do you think a handful of children make up a significant percentage of the margin of error in an event like the firebombing of Dresden? (Note: error on firebombing of Dresden is approx. 150% of commonly accepted total, going by highball estimates).
Let's go with the ridiculously high figures for civilian casualties in Afghanistan ('see this body? 200 more buried here! really!'), and say it's a couple thousand. This rather pales in comparison to the millions who've died in the Congo conflict, in Somalia, in Rwanda, etc.
Hell, the American army doesn't even run around raping every female between 13 and 50! If anything, the US military is too gentle, right?
You, my friend, must study history before you complain about the death tolls in this little Afghanistan playfight.
As to schooling, vouchers will force competition between the schools, and we all know (provided we have a grade schooler's understanding of economics) that the free market system brings out the best possible result for end-users possible.
Really... how many people are going to watch this ripped version at home and be satisfied with it??? If they are, chances are they belong to the group of people that wouldn't bother going and seeing it anyway... I feel that they'll still make more than their fair share of money off of it. I don't know of too many people that have their own movie theater, and if they did I doubt they'd settle for watching a ripped version of the movie. I doubt it makes a signifigant difference in the revenue of the movie.
I give up. Why is this a problem? This is not a rhetorical question.
I don't know why the MPAA gets so freaked about this. Spiderman was leaked and it may have even helped sales. According to DVD Store, Movie Studio news: "Spiderman continued to break records. It finished second over the four days to take $US 36.5 million from a record high 3,876 theatres to push its 25 day total to a mammoth $US 334.3 million." That's 334 mil in less than a month. According to this site The DVD just came out, and guess what? DVD sales crushed Spiderman's theater opening weekend by raking in millions in just one weekend!
"Spider-Man" set new records in sales for its first day and week on DVD and video, earning an estimated $245 million-plus in gross rental and sell-through revenue during its first five days in release."
It only proves that when they put out a quality film, people will go to see it, maybe more than once, and they will buy the DVD.
Ok...so we've established that they probably don't lose a ton of money --YET-- on this... so... why not release a few big name flicks on the net as though a hacker/employee with bad motives did it, complain about how the releases killed their profitts, and get their local congressman to introduce legislation to allow them rights into things they don't currently have.
There have just been too many big name movies released this way lately...it kinda' makes you wonder.
Certainly every man at his best state is but vapor
I'll go to see it as long as sauron says "Arrr! My frickin eye!" [1] when they toss the ring in the volcano.
[1] Or perhaps, "Ze goggles! They do nothing!"
Holy crap I almost pissed myself due to this.
These conspiracy people crack me up.
Well... not exactly, but if your friend makes a copy of a cd for you ( even with your own computer ) then it is legal. I.E. Person A owns commercial CD. He copies it, then gives the copy to person B OR gives the original to person B and keeps the copy. Thats all legal. And if you want to know more of that, then check out this site
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I thought I'd let everyone known, the group responsible for this leak is UTi, as shown by the name: Harry.Potter.and.the.Chamber.of.Secrets.CAM-UTi CD2
"The lesson to be learned is not to take the comments on slashdot too literally." --Vinnie Falco, BearShare
1. "Illegal piraters" is redundant.
2. Congratulations on giving Warner Bros. a free plug with your link to the Harry Potter site.
3. People sneaking camcorders is neither interesting nor newsworthy.
Secondly, the numbers of people who have or haven't acted morally can never change what IS moral, because moral truth never changes. The thing that changes so often is our PERCEPTION of what is moral or immoral. I've found that as I carefully consider how I will behave, the things I do that make me feel good inside and make me feel like I have been kind or helpful to someone are the things that are good and moral. I have to be very honest with myself and be able to admit to myself when I have done something that makes me feel bad inside but that my brain says was smart because it saved me money. Downloading movies and music off the internet so that I can get around having to buy the music or movies is one of those things that kind of makes me feel bad inside. That causes me to think that it is wrong to do. I've also noticed that when I download movies or music off the internet only to preview them to see if they are decent and worth buying I do not get a bad feeling inside. That causes me to think that the very same behavior that previously made me feel bad is the right thing to do because my intentions and motivations are different. (To prove it to you, the stuff I didn't intent to buy, I deleted.)
Ultimately, we ourselves know whether what we do gives us a good feeling inside or a bad feeling inside, and if we can always do things that make us feel good inside like we have helped someone else, then regardless of whether downloading stuff off the internet is outlawed or not, we will be happy.
Just wanted to bring the discussion to a little higher plane.
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While there is no retaking of the Shire (what we saw in Fellowship is all we'll probably see of it), it has not been confirmed whether Saruman dies at the end of TTT or sometime in ROTK. If you'll remember from the books, the Ents let Saruman leave Orthanc because he didn't seem like he could cause any trouble at that point. There's no reason why PJ couldn't have the Ents kill him as he is, perhaps, trying to escape Orthanc.
From all the news I've been reading on theonering.net, even Christopher Lee doesn't know Saruman's fate at the end of TTT. He has however mentioned a couple of times that "Saruman will be back for ROTK". He has also mentioned that several (as many as 9 I believe) different scenes have been filmed for his death.
In any case, no one will know for sure until December 18th. Unless of course TTT is leaked to the internet before that date (that should keep this post OT).
OK, apparently this is just some guy walking into a British theater with a camcorder then distributing that. But let's assume that it was a real leak direct from the studio to the internet that the MPAA is complaining about, like other movies have been.
In that case, the "piracy" is not the cause, it's the symptom of SOME GUY THE STUDIO IS PAYING MONEY TO dumping years of work onto the internet. If they would take responsibility and find these paid employees who are (let's play along here) screwing the industry, they wouldn't have a problem, or at least less of one.
But instead they continue to battle something that is a result of their own idiocy. Typical.
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Point #1 (no Scouring of the Shire) is reasonably well-corroborated
That seems weird, given that they must have done a fair bit of the necessary setup for it just to get the Galadriel mirror scene. I also doubt they're that close to the final edit, so it seems unlikely they'd have filmed it but edited it out already. Though perhaps it is just for the extended editions.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
I can't even get them to enter a plea!
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>1. The GPL doesn't bar anybody from making money off it. :)
Da, see correction I posted. Righteous fever, too much neural traffic, dropped a few packets
>Prepared? I simply don't believe that mob would exist were I offering my works at a fair price and by a means, in a format, people want.
My point was, once we take control out of one producer's hands, what's to stop "the people" from taking control out of all producer's hands, until we end up with a fascist/communist economy, i.e. You don't really own your own belongings, but are told what you can and can't have. Granted, most consumers are also producers, but for any given group of producers (i.e.: the movie industry), there is a far larger group of consumers (i.e.: us.) So it would be pretty easy for this same sort of regulation to infiltrate any industry once the precedent has been set.
And who determines fairness? If the author has control over his/her work, he can set a what he believes is a fair price for said work, with what he believes are fair conditions on the use of the work. If people don't want it then, then he doesn't make any money, and either adjusts or stays poor. And using artificial scarcity is dangerous - what happens when the guy next door comes up with a similar product and starts selling it for a more reasonable price? Producers don't have a stranglehold on the market, they can't make you buy their product for any price. If you really can't live without Harry Potter, and a ticket to see Harry Potter is $200, you'd better start saving. If people don't think Harry Potter is worth $200 per screening, Harry Potter won't make any money, defeating the company's goal of making a profit. People might gripe now about how movie tickets are $9 or whatever, but they still shell out. If they just stopped going the price would drop pretty quickly. In a purely capitalistic economy, there's no reason to have official votes and regulatory hubbub, you can just 'vote with your dollars.'
If the author doesn't have total control, then who decides what is fair? Do we just vote on what a fair price is? The main incentive for producers to produce is money (Which is really just an easy way of carrying around goods + services. And even the most altrusitcally minded producer needs to eat.) When you open up the value of their labor to vote, you're taking away the main incentive there is for innovation. People are always going to vote for the lowest price. Why spend time on designing a better breadbox when your own life won't be significantly better because of it? Intel doesn't develop a new processor out of altruism, they do it to make a profit, and make their own lives more comfortable.
>And morality *is* up for vote, as soon as youve protected peoples rights. So yup, you've hit the nail on the head.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Isn't the producer's right to his work a capital-R 'right'? And I'm not really sure what you mean by morality being up to vote now. The image I have is some sort of ministry of ethics enforcing the 'people's will' (something like the idiotic drug war, but on a more massive scale), which I'm hoping is not what you mean. I'd also be interested in what your conception of rights is. E-mail me if you want.
>1. That 'right' has changed...
I think I addressed most of this in the above. If the producer wants to release his work in the fashion you described, I don't see any reason he shouldn't. I also don't see any reason why he shouldn't try to make the largest profit possible off his product, as long as he doesn't actively engage in fraud or other criminal activities. The real point is, without him, the product would not exist, so why shouldn't he reap the full benefits?
Just as in geopolitics, posturing in the virtual market'space is very complex, with perhaps, these days, a higher degree of sophistication and sleight-of-hand being demonstrated by prospective stakeholders. Notwithstanding the popular conspiracists view that the MPAA/Studios may be "leaking" sub-grade movies for many of the articulated reasons above, another non-mentioned prospective stakeholder in this marketing game (perhaps after-the-fact) are the enterprises that (a) want to showcase their video codecs/encoders and video compression technologies; and (b) want recognition and validation of their distribution infrastructure/technologies. Unlike larger and well-established institutions/companies such as MPAA/Studios, these smaller and more flexible companies may adopt a business model that "implicitly encourages" movie piracy. (I have been researching these legal/quasi-legal business models on risk/benefit and you can get away with a lot more bang for each buck)
.. I don't have time to sit here and add layer upon layer of conspiracy models, but you should always think which industries or market segmentations would benefit from pirated movie proliferation. Heck, perhaps it's the French Government using a weird-ass attempt at stifling American cultural hegemony (I.e., Cultural Sovereignty is really about Int'l trade). :p
For example, if I were a new video codec company harping mpeg4 compression technologies for popular consumption, an important realization is that a "critical mass" or a high volume of users using my codec legitimizes me and also attracts more venture capital. (I know that originally the movie was DV-> converted to mpeg when it hit first-tier distribution on topsites, but immediately in the space of an hour, this movie is compressed by the mpeg4 technology into a much smaller size for quicker and easier distribution via north america's limited broadband.). The more persons downloading movies in my video format and using my encoding software, the better it is. (Hmm.. this sounds a lot like the current company trying to trademark the "DivX" name? Probably a coincidence)
Anyways
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Blah!OK, I'm completely off topic but that's the way I saw the title at first.
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The pirating movie crowd most likely is part of the "wait till it hits video" crowd anyway. You won't see them going to movie theatre's. Besides, at 9 dollars a GD ticket, of course you are going to lose more and more business. Create more incentives for indivisuals to go to the theatre's themselves, and maybe there will be a lot less movies being pirated daily.
What they didn't tell anyone was that the Chamber of Secrets actually turns out to be a women's restroom.
According to nforce.nl this release is nuked, so it is not being distributed or available for download.
One more reason for Hollywood to fight piracy at all fronts.
The thiefs releasing this gives everyone else a much harder time fighting against DMCA and laws like it.
This is an area where "information wants to be free" doesn't apply. We need to see these piraters as thieves and nothing less. They do no good and only push the companies into lobbying more for greater control over all normal people - which is because the big companies are morons and doesn't realize that the law won't protect against the thieves.
Yeah, I know. I'll probably be modded down below trolling.
*sigh*
Anyone who thinks that needs thier head examined and needs to get a life. Satanists don't even worship "Satan". If you have nothing better to do than waster your time protesting dungeons & dragons, fantasy novels and picket schools that support gay students (like a certain baptist church with an anti gay-website) YOU NEED A LIFE. Because the people involved with what you are protesting could really care less.
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Ummmm... What does that have to do with saving the shire? They can have Grey Havens just fine without fighting in the Shire.
The reason why Shire-thingy is out is pretty simple: movies must have a climax. There's the big finale, and then the movie winds down. In LoTR, that finale is the destruction of the ring. If we had the rape of Shire in the movie, it would diminish the destruction of the ring as THE event of the movie. It works in the book, but it wouldn't work in the movie.
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wonder why movies whose stories are known and predictable out-gross all other movies. everyone knew the titanic would sink and they still flocked to the theaters with five hankies!! everyone knows what happens to everyone in harry potter movies atleast 4 years in advance, and it is the second highest grossing movie of all times! by that rationale, the studios should be happy when people download their tripe. after seeing the bad quality, they might just go and see it on the big screen.
Additionally, the concession prices are way to expensive,
:O There is no reason an actor can't live with making 1M for a movie, and a theatre only charging $4 a ticket, other than WE put up with it.
IIRC most of the ticket price goes to the studio/distributor. The money to keep the place running needs to come from somewhere.
And finally, just like pro sports people, Actors do not deserve 10M for a single movie. How about paying the actors less, making the ticket less, and actually end up with more profit?
Movie studios like the idea of "star" actors. Even though in many cases, especially those adapted from popular books the only real criteria to the audience is that they can act decently.
this is one of the few (I said "few", nitpickers) "crimes" in US law where damage does not have to be shown. It's implied damage with the plaintiffs being allowed to make up the damages off the top of their heads.
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They can't protect their own products from their own employees and associates but soemhow you want us to believe tha they can "protect" themseleves from us, their clients, and that they can curtail the most common sense freedoms (like that I can do whatever I want with my VHS tape or uncrippled CD as long as I don't distribute copies) in a pursuit to hide their own obvious shortcommings.
Who are you? Ms Rosen?
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
What do they expect? I saw it at the cinema on Saturday.. that's plenty of time for somebody to bootleg it on a camcorder...
You fool! You've given cheese to a lactose intolerant volcano god! Do you know what that means?
Frodo was a hero in the cleansing of the shire? Seemed to me he mostly was tired, moaned and sat around while the others did the hero stuff. He'd done his part already, like. I got the feeling the other hobbits never really did realize what a huge thing he'd done for the world and looked up to Pippin and Merry more, and that helped convey a sense of Frodo not really belonging there anymore. That in turn made the real ending work even better. Maybe that's just me!
> I know my kid wouldn't settle for seeing some grainy rip of a movie at 200 x 180
> (or whatever crappy res it looks least bad at).
> Hardly a comparison to the movie on a big screen.
Well, for what it's worth, SVCD appears to be something like 576x480. That's seven or eight times the number of pixels as you descibe above. Definitely good enough to enjoy fully.
Still, watching in a theater is still comparatively unparalleled. I go to the movies every week, even though I could download nearly every film that comes out (and even though I'm rather substantially poor). That's gotta count for something.
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hey i wanna see it! how do i downlad it or where from i need step by step please. cuz i went to slashdot .org after i heard about it on the radio but i cant figure out what to do. I want to download the harry potter movie in full lenght. you can eamil me at erynnbme@yahoo.com , cuz i cant figure out how to comunicate on this web site yet. thank you x100. erin
May I lick your clitoris or not?? Did I forget to say please? I'm sorry. May I please massage your clitoris with my tongue?? You seem like a nice enough person. Not the sharpest tack on the tackboard (reviewing your comment history), but nice. Do you have a sufficient amount of cunnilingus in your life??
Your e-mail address obfuscation is confusing. Is kryn@kryn.org correct? Have a nice day.
you're still brain washed. Maybe someday you'll realize that when you copy information that you don't lose value, but rather value is created. Didn't anyone teach you about the magic penny? Next you're going to say that people shouldn't read books from the public library or something.
Digital information turns normal economics upside down, making what was scare now common. Since value is based on scarcity, it changes the way we must think about things.
How do copyright laws help the poor? I agree that in america the 'poor' are not really that poor, but how does copyright laws help the people who are so poor to even produce anything.
I really don't think that all entertainment should be free but rather that people who produce entertainment should get paid for producing it, not sitting on their asses and getting paid for nothing. I respect the street performer much more then the hollywood producer, the people performing plays and live shows are way better then people like R. Kelly who spend most of the time in the studio. So yeah, I'm biased. I think that people need to think more for themselves. It's sad that in a country as rich as america that all most people want to do is sit around, watch TV and play video games. Basically do everything they can to not think about what is going on outside their 10x 12 cell.
Most people I know that would download a movie from somewhere wouldn't go and watch it at the cinema anyway. The vast majority of movies, unlike advertised by Hollywood, do not act like a giant eye-magnet. If people want to see it, they'll see it twice - once at the movies, once on their computer. If people don't want to see a movie, they may get curious and watch it on their computer, but they still wouldn't go and shell out money to see it. Piracy frankly only changes how much money middling films do - films which sound great, but aren't.
I also enjoyed the movie itself, but then I expected a B movie.
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where are you taking the leak to? NBC? CBS? ABC? CNN? and what is the leak of?
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The Magician of the Ivory Tower brought his latest invention for the
master programmer to examine. The magician wheeled a large black box into the
master's office while the master waited in silence.
"This is an integrated, distributed, general-purpose workstation,"
began the magician, "ergonomically designed with a proprietary operating
system, sixth generation languages, and multiple state of the art user
interfaces. It took my assistants several hundred man years to construct.
Is it not amazing?"
The master raised his eyebrows slightly. "It is indeed amazing," he
said.
"Corporate Headquarters has commanded," continued the magician, "that
everyone use this workstation as a platform for new programs. Do you agree
to this?"
"Certainly," replied the master, "I will have it transported to the
data center immediately!" And the magician returned to his tower, well
pleased.
Several days later, a novice wandered into the office of the master
programmer and said, "I cannot find the listing for my new program. Do
you know where it might be?"
"Yes," replied the master, "the listings are stacked on the platform
in the data center."
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