Apparently you are unaware that a great bulk of the DNA code is shared betwixt plant and animal.
That only adds to my case why this is not a good idea. Why should a corporation be allowed to say they own that code.
Yeah, but if your going to go there then you might as well start talking about the simularities between a monkey and people, and thus they should have citizenship (may even boost the average IQ of this nation).
I care because I don't like the idea of a coporation being able to say they now own that rice and be able to dictate what I can and cannot do with it. If the rice genes somehow manage to somehow alter the outcome of sperm or cell would that company then have legal rights over any child created from that sperm and cell. This is more of a legal/ patent issue. But the fact is that formal science in the field of nutrition and muchless chemistry or even bioengineering the way you and I understand it has only been around for about 100 years. You can argue chemistry has been around since the middle ages, but thats a streach. Again once the origional code is gone. it is gone. To my knowledge no one has started an organization to "backup nature" so to speak.
I admit it is a catch 22.
Another tremendous issue that is going on with bioengineering now is major corps are patenting
dna sequences. When these genetically modified seeds are getting out. Corporations will send guys out to test surround areas for "illegally obtained genetic code" and actually sue a farmer who did buy or refuses to buy a licenses to use seeds that the farmer does not want in their fields to begin with. I wish I had the link, but I believe there was an extensive article in the mag light connections. So if you add these two messes up it is very well conieveable that corps of the future could begin to try to claim that they own every plant or every animal that uses their "Code". This is yet another reason why IP laws much be rewirtten now. Plus on a personal note, this bothers me ethically that they are blending animal genes into t he plant kingdom. I personally a oure vegetarian, and The idea of the little shoppe of horrors plant being a possible reality in the future does kind of bother me. Yes I know this may be considered offtopic to the origional post, but not to the reply of my own or the responses to my post.
I have absolutely not problem with
genetic engineering... granted that the following conditions are met.
1. the product is clearly labeled
2. it is NOT grown in open airspace.
The reason why the latter one is important is because the second anyone releases a genetically modified crop into open air (even in a contained farm) birds and other creatures will eat the seeds (or the wind will blow the seeds) and slowly but surely this crop will leave the controlled vicinity. When this occurs, you will have not only begun to make the natural genetic code of said crop a fading tradition, but there are also possible health risks that could potentially be involved. Plus has anyone other then me noticed that organically grown food just tates better (Yes I even did a formal blind taste test experiement once with raw oranges.)
This is also bad news for organic farmers because it cost a lot of money ( thousands annually IIRC) to get that certificed organic label placed on products.
Just take a look at the mess canada is now in as well as the western part of the usa with organic (or lack there of ) cannola plants. Its near impossible now to grow actual organic cannola.
here for more info
This is some scary news. Also consider this, once the naturally genetic code is gone... there is no getting it back.
read my lips: I _AM_ an American. My cousin is even in the ARMY. Bush lied, and who died?... look.. I know I am responding to a troll on boo hoo stop hateing America, but seriously Bush last time I checked is NOT America. Being Anti Bush is != being Anti American. Ever herd of the first amendment? At this point its almost Anti American to still be _for_ Bush. The Majority of Americans who are against Bush are this way because what he is doing to our foreign and even local policies, is quiet scarry... and AMERICA WANTS IT'S COUNTRY BACK
thanks for the amazon link. I must ask however, what _exactally_ do you mean "for ethical reasons". What are they doing that is so bad? Is it just that they are another large corporate entity? I am not trying to troll, I really am just curious.
...atleast the child was _alive_ when born. I wasn't.. not for 8 minutes atleast. (having the umbellical cord wrapped around your neck and snapped will do that).I had also lost more then 90% of my blood. This kid has more ofa chance then medical science will ever give him. good luck to the kid. O btw. the doctors said that I would turn out to be nothing more then a vegetable when I did survive, but last I checked vegetables don't score 127 on i.q test ( not that i think i.q test really measure intelligence).
As long as they are not altering the content and then spoofing you domain.. (i.e in america typing www.website.com has the legit website where is country x typing www.website.com being a porn site) However, even if they are not being a true mirror, then what really can you do? not much. One could attempt to send them a please stop, and maybe even some scary lawyer letter, but if they are not in your same country what will it matter to them. Yes there are International laws, but how well has America for instance followed them as of late. DISCLAIMER: I am an American, and I am not bashing the USA without merrit.
...windows ce can kill.. just ask Thailand
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For a city the size of munich its nice to see
them trying to use linux on such a massive scale, but any kind of technological roll out is going to have unexpected cost. However,as more people do these roll outs, the costs will come down -- or rather be gauged more accurately. We should all be thanmkful that Munich is willing to ungergoing this projects, as it will help the rest of us understand linux deployment on a largetr scale. Also on a personal side note: this is really to be expected seeing how they are using
SuSE. SuSE isnt a terrible distro, but since we can all thank suse for being rpm based (yes i know it can support yum and maybe deb).
competition is good, and divsersity is good as well. Why not have more then one desktop? why not have a replacement for X server? if XFree86 keeps up then it might be illegal to use it in the ways it presently is used now. diversification prevents mono culture, which is exactally what is wrong with a lot of major software corps (i.e that big one in Redmond). If we only focus on just one then what happens when legal issues, technological evolutionary dead ends occur, etc
the best of these kind of devices (devloped in nasa labs) can only do 95% accuracy. sure that might be fine for say playing a video game(unless its fast pace), but if you tried to walk with 95% accuracy, you'd be the but of more jokes then the "how do you get bob dole out of a tree, wave to him" jokes.
but over all its really cool that they are even able to do this at all.
The wave forms are simular enough that I fail to see why one would be unable to teach a bird how to speak this language. If that could happen, then imagine the many possible uses for this. Could this then give us further insight into inteligence...
when I went to http://www.poltran.com/ and inserted the article this is what came out. good luck making sense of it.
Firm appoint INTERLINE, as producer of microwave antenna will will settle leading polish , it has put verification of capability of juxtaposition of cordless link for purpose in (to) with sequence scattering of spectrum on distance in sphere of theoretical consideration standard 2.4 ( ) so far remaining paoemie GHz DSSS 802.11b. Purpose of venture, practical researching of capability was and on such link phenomena taking a stand. It belongs to underline, that ground was realized link in distinguishing from link realized (accomplished) from stratospheric balloon in sweden by firms 2002 year typically ( near the end Alvarion and important ) that plane Swedish Space Corporation, they are used all elements in experiment of firm on market unmodified available ( parabola 1.1 meter (subway) INTERLINE urzdzeniami/osprzetem and consolidator 500 ) mW - but it use parabolic antenna in sweden about 2.4 meter (subway) oerednicy and consolidator 6000mW. Two ultra localizations appoint on requirements of experiments wroclaw and room (shop) under snow white - highest up above Karkonoszy on midday (southern) east from yelenya gora -. Distance in simple line people (people) in effective experiment near 110.km participation (quota) wzieli peter Kroplewski - owner firm wieslaw INTERLINE Karpowicz - chief production maciej Kaminski - department head technical krzysztof Mularczyk for affairs network cordless krzysztof - specialist Juszczyszyn point of -point was planned connection one of key period of experiment for station creating - technologist production localization choice (election) localization. First of they, it will will settle storeyed high-rise building on one of wroclaw 10. Second (other) localization, it for whole experiment under snow white key room (shop), silesian house beside resort on height 1400 m.n.p.m. We have chosen equipment for conducting of experiment following (step) equipment antennas - PARABOLIC maxi, 27 dBi - production point access INTERLINE - INTEL 2011 access culminating point Pro/Wireless - production firm cable SYBMOL and konektory - cable h 1000 BELDEN, h 155, chief council 316, card (kart) broadcasting wtyki VITELEC - PC Lucent ORiNOCO Card Silver/chipset Agere, consolidator ZCom XI-300/chipset Intersil certainly it has not run out laptops as additional endowments (outfits) about force 500 2 - 2.4 GHz mW. UPS, Kit of instrument, spare cables, zczki, konektory, even gas lutownica - just in case. Installation - wroclaw as we have appointed deadline of (date of) realization of experiment among 12 time (sometimes) but 14 september 2003 year. Installing was first period and directing of antenna in wroclaw to part of massif OEniezki. Due to good visibility in day of installation in wroclaw ( 12/09/2003 ), this mountain (top) about height 1602 m.n.p.m. It was visible as on palm " ". It belonged to call attention (to pay attention) at visaing antenna on corner of tilting (pitching) antenna in vertical, as target (incoming) localization was placed on height 1400 m.n.p.m. But weight of experiment did not allow neglect this parameter. Elements of installations 1. Point of access INTEL 2011 access culminating point + consolidator Pro/Wireless 2.4GHz/500mW Channel 5 ( 2432 ) net _ MHz ID hardware wisznia Revision but AP Firmware Ver. 02.52-13 RF Firmware Ver. Radio V2.51-08 Type T2 Antenna Selection 10 10 ( ) 32 8000 ( ) 5 ( ) ( ) 20 100 100 5 60 min. (face) Primary Only wroclaw RF Configuration.DTIM Interval WLAP Mode Enabled.BC/MC Q Max.Max Retries d WLAP Priority hex.Max Retries v WLAP Manual BSS ID 00:02:B3:15:2F:55.Multicast Mask d 09000E00 hex.Multicast Mask v 01005E00 hex WLAP Hello Time.Beacon Interval K-us WLAP Max Age.Accept Broadcast ESSID Enabled WLAP Forward Delay.MU Inactivity Timeout. IT (HI
>Of course, socialists and Bush-bashers are going to hate this on principal, but I think most of us can see the positive conotations such a law has.
Actually, no. The internet needs to stay as tax free as possible for now. What those 'bush-bashers' don't like is the stupid budgeting decisions that have gone on. We have gone from the largest surplus to the largest defecit in less then 3 years!... the misappropriation of money going to the war on terror is for another day.
on how gain a monopoly on the known internet....
and at cut rate prices now they can buy up all remaining domain names... and sell them to their competitors...
This domain by up was brought to by Micro$oft your chapter 11... our passion....
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Apparently you are unaware that a great bulk of the DNA code is shared betwixt plant and animal. That only adds to my case why this is not a good idea. Why should a corporation be allowed to say they own that code. Yeah, but if your going to go there then you might as well start talking about the simularities between a monkey and people, and thus they should have citizenship (may even boost the average IQ of this nation).
So who cares if our rice is genetically altered.
I care because I don't like the idea of a coporation being able to say they now own that rice and be able to dictate what I can and cannot do with it. If the rice genes somehow manage to somehow alter the outcome of sperm or cell would that company then have legal rights over any child created from that sperm and cell.
This is more of a legal/ patent issue. But the fact is that formal science in the field of nutrition and muchless chemistry or even bioengineering the way you and I understand it has only been around for about 100 years. You can argue chemistry has been around since the middle ages, but thats a streach. Again once the origional code is gone. it is gone. To my knowledge no one has started an organization to "backup nature" so to speak.
I admit it is a catch 22. Another tremendous issue that is going on with bioengineering now is major corps are patenting dna sequences. When these genetically modified seeds are getting out. Corporations will send guys out to test surround areas for "illegally obtained genetic code" and actually sue a farmer who did buy or refuses to buy a licenses to use seeds that the farmer does not want in their fields to begin with. I wish I had the link, but I believe there was an extensive article in the mag light connections. So if you add these two messes up it is very well conieveable that corps of the future could begin to try to claim that they own every plant or every animal that uses their "Code". This is yet another reason why IP laws much be rewirtten now. Plus on a personal note, this bothers me ethically that they are blending animal genes into t he plant kingdom. I personally a oure vegetarian, and The idea of the little shoppe of horrors plant being a possible reality in the future does kind of bother me. Yes I know this may be considered offtopic to the origional post, but not to the reply of my own or the responses to my post.
I have absolutely not problem with genetic engineering ... granted that the following conditions are met.
1. the product is clearly labeled
2. it is NOT grown in open airspace.
The reason why the latter one is important is because the second anyone releases a genetically modified crop into open air (even in a contained farm) birds and other creatures will eat the seeds (or the wind will blow the seeds) and slowly but surely this crop will leave the controlled vicinity. When this occurs, you will have not only begun to make the natural genetic code of said crop a fading tradition, but there are also possible health risks that could potentially be involved. Plus has anyone other then me noticed that organically grown food just tates better (Yes I even did a formal blind taste test experiement once with raw oranges.)
This is also bad news for organic farmers because it cost a lot of money ( thousands annually IIRC) to get that certificed organic label placed on products.
Just take a look at the mess canada is now in as well as the western part of the usa with organic (or lack there of ) cannola plants. Its near impossible now to grow actual organic cannola.
here for more info
This is some scary news. Also consider this, once the naturally genetic code is gone... there is no getting it back.
read my lips:
I _AM_ an American. My cousin is even in the ARMY.
Bush lied, and who died?... look.. I know I am responding to a troll on boo hoo stop hateing America, but seriously Bush last time I checked is NOT America. Being Anti Bush is != being Anti American. Ever herd of the first amendment? At this point its almost Anti American to still be _for_ Bush. The Majority of Americans who are against Bush are this way because what he is doing to our foreign and even local policies, is quiet scarry... and AMERICA WANTS IT'S COUNTRY BACK
thanks for the amazon link. I must ask however, what _exactally_ do you mean "for ethical reasons". What are they doing that is so bad?
Is it just that they are another large corporate entity? I am not trying to troll, I really am just curious.
...atleast the child was _alive_ when born. .. not for 8 minutes atleast. (having the umbellical cord wrapped around your neck and snapped will do that).I had also lost more then 90% of my blood. This kid has more ofa chance then medical science will ever give him.
I wasn't
good luck to the kid. O btw. the doctors said that I would turn out to be nothing more then a vegetable when I did survive, but last I checked vegetables don't score 127 on i.q test ( not that i think i.q test really measure intelligence).
As long as they are not altering the content and then spoofing you domain.. (i.e in america typing www.website.com has the legit website where is country x typing www.website.com being a porn site)
However, even if they are not being a true mirror, then what really can you do? not much. One could attempt to send them a please stop, and maybe even some scary lawyer letter, but if they are not in your same country what will it matter to them. Yes there are International laws, but how well has America for instance followed them as of late. DISCLAIMER: I am an American, and I am not bashing the USA without merrit.
remember this[cnet.com] crazy event.
apparently windows ce was for some reason intergrated into a BMW that was being used to escort a high ranking offical of Thailand.
For a city the size of munich its nice to see them trying to use linux on such a massive scale, but any kind of technological roll out is going to have unexpected cost. However,as more people do these roll outs, the costs will come down -- or rather be gauged more accurately. We should all be thanmkful that Munich is willing to ungergoing this projects, as it will help the rest of us understand linux deployment on a largetr scale. Also on a personal side note: this is really to be expected seeing how they are using SuSE. SuSE isnt a terrible distro, but since we can all thank suse for being rpm based (yes i know it can support yum and maybe deb).
competition is good, and divsersity is good as well. Why not have more then one desktop? why not have a replacement for X server? if XFree86 keeps up then it might be illegal to use it in the ways it presently is used now. diversification prevents mono culture, which is exactally what is wrong with a lot of major software corps (i.e that big one in Redmond). If we only focus on just one then what happens when legal issues, technological evolutionary dead ends occur, etc
the best of these kind of devices (devloped in nasa labs) can only do 95% accuracy. sure that might be fine for say playing a video game(unless its fast pace), but if you tried to walk with 95% accuracy, you'd be the but of more jokes then the "how do you get bob dole out of a tree, wave to him" jokes.
but over all its really cool that they are even able to do this at all.
mod parent post up +5 informative :-), please.
Actually, you are not far from the truth. :
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this from netcraft
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The wave forms are simular enough that I fail to see why one would be unable to teach a bird how to speak this language. If that could happen, then imagine the many possible uses for this. Could this then give us further insight into inteligence...
when I went to http://www.poltran.com/ and inserted the article this is what came out. good luck making sense of it.
.km participation (quota) wzieli peter Kroplewski - owner firm wieslaw INTERLINE Karpowicz - chief production maciej Kaminski - department head technical krzysztof Mularczyk for affairs network cordless krzysztof - specialist Juszczyszyn point of -point was planned connection one of key period of experiment for station creating - technologist production localization choice (election) localization. First of they, it will will settle storeyed high-rise building on one of wroclaw 10. Second (other) localization, it for whole experiment under snow white key room (shop), silesian house beside resort on height 1400 m.n.p.m. We have chosen equipment for conducting of experiment following (step) equipment antennas - PARABOLIC maxi, 27 dBi - production point access INTERLINE - INTEL 2011 access culminating point Pro/Wireless - production firm cable SYBMOL and konektory - cable h 1000 BELDEN, h 155, chief council 316, card (kart) broadcasting wtyki VITELEC - PC Lucent ORiNOCO Card Silver/chipset Agere, consolidator ZCom XI-300/chipset Intersil certainly it has not run out laptops as additional endowments (outfits) about force 500 2 - 2.4 GHz mW. UPS, Kit of instrument, spare cables, zczki, konektory, even gas lutownica - just in case. .DTIM Interval WLAP Mode Enabled .BC/MC Q Max .Max Retries d WLAP Priority hex .Max Retries v WLAP Manual BSS ID 00:02:B3:15:2F:55 .Multicast Mask d 09000E00 hex .Multicast Mask v 01005E00 hex WLAP Hello Time .Beacon Interval K-us WLAP Max Age .Accept Broadcast ESSID Enabled WLAP Forward Delay .MU Inactivity Timeout. IT (HI
Firm appoint INTERLINE, as producer of microwave antenna will will settle leading polish , it has put verification of capability of juxtaposition of cordless link for purpose in (to) with sequence scattering of spectrum on distance in sphere of theoretical consideration standard 2.4 ( ) so far remaining paoemie GHz DSSS 802.11b. Purpose of venture, practical researching of capability was and on such link phenomena taking a stand. It belongs to underline, that ground was realized link in distinguishing from link realized (accomplished) from stratospheric balloon in sweden by firms 2002 year typically ( near the end Alvarion and important ) that plane Swedish Space Corporation, they are used all elements in experiment of firm on market unmodified available ( parabola 1.1 meter (subway) INTERLINE urzdzeniami/osprzetem and consolidator 500 ) mW - but it use parabolic antenna in sweden about 2.4 meter (subway) oerednicy and consolidator 6000mW. Two ultra localizations appoint on requirements of experiments wroclaw and room (shop) under snow white - highest up above Karkonoszy on midday (southern) east from yelenya gora -. Distance in simple line people (people) in effective experiment near 110
Installation - wroclaw as we have appointed deadline of (date of) realization of experiment among 12 time (sometimes) but 14 september 2003 year. Installing was first period and directing of antenna in wroclaw to part of massif OEniezki. Due to good visibility in day of installation in wroclaw ( 12/09/2003 ), this mountain (top) about height 1602 m.n.p.m. It was visible as on palm " ". It belonged to call attention (to pay attention) at visaing antenna on corner of tilting (pitching) antenna in vertical, as target (incoming) localization was placed on height 1400 m.n.p.m. But weight of experiment did not allow neglect this parameter. Elements of installations 1. Point of access INTEL 2011 access culminating point + consolidator Pro/Wireless 2.4GHz/500mW Channel 5 ( 2432 ) net _ MHz ID hardware wisznia Revision but AP Firmware Ver. 02.52-13 RF Firmware Ver. Radio V2.51-08 Type T2 Antenna Selection 10 10 ( ) 32 8000 ( ) 5 ( ) ( ) 20 100 100 5 60 min. (face) Primary Only wroclaw RF Configuration
>Of course, socialists and Bush-bashers are going to hate this on principal, but I think most of us can see the positive conotations such a law has.
Actually, no. The internet needs to stay as tax free as possible for now. What those 'bush-bashers' don't like is the stupid budgeting decisions that have gone on. We have gone from the largest surplus to the largest defecit in less then 3 years!... the misappropriation of money going to the war on terror is for another day.
on how gain a monopoly on the known internet.... and at cut rate prices now they can buy up all remaining domain names... and sell them to their competitors... This domain by up was brought to by Micro$oft your chapter 11... our passion....
>You'll see Macs driving Mack Trucks.
At least they wont be Autonomous Systems driven with java http://java.sun.com/features/1997/july/mars.html
how can anyone trust crap like this? WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATIONS? WHAT SERVER TASKS?
don't you know?
BSODd of course! everyone has to have remote crashing feature; its a must have in today's high paced enterprise.