. . . odd working history if he's accustomed to selling his soul in exchange for mere employment (mine is still safely locked in a safe deposit box in Berkeley and Apple has never even expressed an interest in it, perhaps I should be offended
that is what we dot-com-go-boom employees deal with on a daily basis, er, well, some of us. the rest of us have moved on with our lives, and spend our time playing with our Macintosh and NeXT machines. ok, well, hey, i do anyway.
now if i could only magically make a NuBus mac into a working, communicating Linux box (sigh).
hey jordan, i will love you forever if you inspire the NuBus machine port of Darwin. but i won't hold my breath:)
every thornbush has it's rose, isn't that how the song goes? anyway, it will just take a few more cases like this to put this thornbush in the county dump, where it belongs.
in a sane world B would be the only case, but large corporates spend all that money on in house legal, primarily because of all the crappy litigation they fight off. this is just partially a result of that.
partly a result of the IBMifacation, if you will, of the American tech sector. M$ is leading that charge (is it longhorn, or longhorn warp??), and lots of others are following.
note, i spoke of college admins. the school district folks ive met usually have it rough, like u do. i have the utmost respect for those types of challenges. uniTards on the other hand dont know the difference between their a$$hole and their earholes.
figures, one of the lab fsckers would bitch about quake today, still. they whined and whined, its causing instability thoughout the network!
they were always full of shit, and would walk around and shut down our boxes as we played.
since you're one of them, that makes you highly qualified as a moron.
if jerks like u spent the time studying your manuals instead of hunting down gamers, you might know how to find your ass in a paper bag, let alone manage a network.
i leave you with the greatest curse i can levy upon anyone: your own stupidity is your highest reward.
maybe a digital production house thingee or something. make it have shopping cart, listening station, pay for play settings for multiple bitrates of mp3s, sell stickers, promote bookings, all the goods that an aspiring artist needs to start a label, and distribute without a big company. all with one easy to install (ok, well, installable) package. could be a start.
. . . the case essentially turned on ElcomSoft's state of mind during the period it was offering the software.
After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.
this was wedged into the bottom, and it is the most important part of the precedent set. its the legal ruling by the judge that the creators intent during creation determines its illegality under the DCMA. in other words, violate it all you want, as long as you truly believe that there is an allowable or "fair use" of the product you created.
say you made a decryption system to allow companies to recover data from an encrypted system in case of human tragedy (the only guy who knows the key dies), which does happen, you would not be in violation of the DCMA.
i think we all knew that it would only take a few test cases to rip this poorly written law open. this is just the first, and will hopefully discourage companies from invoking this unholy of the unholies.
of course the worst part of the law, is simply the threat of legal action. perhaps there will be popular support for making the threat of DCMA litigation a crime itsself.
on the outside, it means that there will be more suits, however, it could:
a)result in a large body of case law to stip the act of the rest of it's fangs
b)insure that companies only use it when the threat is DIRE.
it wasn't that good, but then again, we Were that good.
ok, soupy was that good. we just knew all the fun win95 hacks, like telling IE that it's telnet app was command.com and how to use his stuff. this guy didn't have a novell certifacation, but he took over. we were just lucky fuckers, and fragging away!
oh, sure, like all those 18 year old future programmers aren't gonna figure something out:) that sounds like some real arrogance to me.
as for the win solution. at FSU they used something called Centurion, that did the same thing, reboot all of our changes away.
fortunately for us, we had already hacked their novell server, and had all of our stuff in a nice hidden directory, so when it came time to Quake, we had a 5 minute setup:)
sad as it is, most of the college admin staffs i've come across are way undertrained. ironically, it was because once someone graduated (MCSE or CompSci, whatever) their starting salary was more than the Uni wanted to pay. . ....
it all makes sense, $6 million for Lee Stevens, only $3.2 mil for a dog
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lets see, the screen makes the eyes burn, the keyboard makes the hands tingle, the chair burns your ass, takes a while to get comfortable and u don't want to leave it. i call it OS X.
i will see it for myself tonite anyway . . . .
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because i have been assimilated. resistance is futile. slashdot will be assimilated.
it will now be known as/3 of/10 . ..
seriously, its always a joy to see the cast of TNG on the screen. i luv the trek, and well, couldn't care less if there's a plot, or if there's not. does real life always have a plot????? i'll live if its missing, just so long as there's alien babes in short skirtz
i agree, this is aimed at the scientific community. i also agree that his aim is persuasion, and to better accomplish this goal, it might be more important to use historical precident when talking, not just personal experience.
to be scientific about this, using only one's own experience to convey a point of historical interest is like using your control group as your observation and control group.
a little more objectivity in those points would carry them further in the non-scientific world.
let me also point out that i have been friends to physicists doing that sort of research (well, Top Quark stuff with U Chi, out of FSU) and I do agree that there is a significant change underway in your field.
however, as the post implies, the reason for this is the tendency of academic arguements to remain ... . academic.
kind of like this post
i think the important idea is finding where the Mean lies between academic truth, and (feeling) forced to present science fiction to obtain $$. beaurocracies have a mind of their own, but they do hold the purse strings. nobody likes em, but they are here to stay, like roaches, they would be the only form of life to survive the bombs your professor made.
and did all those physicists really want to make Alpha-Omega devices all those years? or was that just for the money?
i do actually agree with his ideas, but there is a better way to express them. isn't that what scientific truth is really all about???
prof. mclaughlin, if you're listenin, i'm on your side.
The tradition of sending government money down to universities without some value coming back has ended
ok dude, i like your opinions about the value of scientific purity, and openness. but i think that your head is buried in a lot of historical sand.
the Military-Industrial complex of the last 50 years has been driven by university research, and there was no "tradition" of giving without expecting a return. there is always a return, at minimum some gov. controls (see stem cells) at maximum, total control (see manhattan project @ U Chicago).
please limit you traditions to historical fact.
this comment is the result of what i call Academic Demetia. typical professor here, thinks that they give him all that money solely for the purpose of his enjoyment of the truly kewl geek toys that normal people can't afford (well, cept for the atom smasher i installed in my Volvo).
wake up fella, the government owns more whores like you than you could find if you put LA, Amsterdam and Tel Aviv together and shook it up, and declared perpetual night. which is apparently, the sum of your historical knowledge, lemme guess, you didn't like "memorizing facts"????
you're absolutely right about that, would be nice for them to ship more secure out of the box, and we do comment the hell out of that. unfortunately, making such an important point has not won you admiration from the moderators.
therefore i regret to inform you that your cobalt warranty has been irrevokably voided.
In a truly competitive environment an industrial laboratory cannot do academic-style research--studies on the cutting edge of knowledge with no obvious immediate applicability.
ok bro, now you've lost me. Xerox screwed up bigtime, but could have been the digiDocument company if they had played their cards right. it is just far more obvious to us today what they had at the time, than it was to the suits. don't mistake this for it not being possible
and this is the same reason that m$ makes webTV, windoze CE, Pocket PC os, Smart (their imagination) phones and whatnot. if m$ had any real sense, they would start longer term R&D dept. well, they have one, kinda, but their current market stance (willing and aple to spy on you, aka Big Brother) is a deterrent to their management incorporating any of the better ideas.
people are often bound by their own pre-concieved notions, and that is especially strong in academia. if you listen to your college professor father (like mine) too carefully, life gets suddenly boring, and you start "jumping thru hoops" and "playing the game". when a company gets monopoly position (like intel basically had for a while) they can leverage that to do serious longterm research.
by the way, kudos for intel's monopoly management, and success in being the gorilla without being a monopoly.
When that value takes the form of intellectual property--knowledge that one can sell--as it commonly does, it must be kept secret, since no one will buy knowledge that is available for free. The core content of useful industrial research can rarely, if ever, be submitted to public scrutiny. This secrecy increases the opportunity for impropriety and thus makes the knowledge inherently less reliable than comparable knowledge produced in the open.
could not have said it better myself. how many private APIs will m$ hide for "security" (their own financial) until they get that point??
how many people here doubt that they could become even larger if they shed the fat (webTV), opened up WinBlows, and stopped acting like a hyeena roaming the tech safari? all that without strangling the market or as they like to call it "promoting innovation, so long as we can tax it". when you have 40 bn in the bank, its easy to re-invent yourself in a more useful (less buggy maybe) form factor, see the Fruity competition for remake details and how a fat bank account lets you do that sort of thing.
is even mentioned in the article as why bell labs had great scientific integrity for all those years. if we're going to put up with a monopoly, that does not mean that they cannot operate in the best interests of society (when they don't they are Sherman Acted).
without bell labs, where would computing be today? bsd grew out of unix, from there, and hey, raise your hand if you like TCP/IP protocols and BIND
as a proud owner/admin of a Cobalt Raq2, i'd like to announce that this is not the end of the world to us, no matter how bad it looks on the front page of/.
that particular machine runs a custom rolled distro of Red Hat 6.2 and has been known to be very reliable, and have mild issues from updates. every one of the holes it covers has some sort of workaround, which those admins have probably employed already.
i'd like to take this opportunity to complement the Cobalt Raq Users List members as well. without people like bruce timberlake, jeff lasman, steve werby (a/. contributor) and a whole host of others (can't name everyone) the raq has a vibrant community of admins willing to help even the newbiest of owners.
my machine runs on a lovely 64-bit mipsel processor from MIPS and is one of the dutch (sun bought cobalt a while back, it started on the other side of the pond) original models. they are tremendously power efficient, quiet and dependable boxen. mine uses a dinosauric 2.0 kernel and modified red hat 5.1 , and runs php 4.1.2/mysql like a champ.
not only that, but the cobalt raq IS a web appliance. In other words, its not really meant to do all that out of the box (back then anyway). today's raqs run a full gamut of oss and free software, and come pre-installed with everything you need as a webmaster.
it is an oustanding machine for NT admins to learn how to switch over, with the cushion of a working system to learn from.
yes, sun doesn't always get it right, but they put their backs into it so to speak, and it is not unusual for a Cobalt engineer to post solutions (even unofficial ones) to the list.
for all you cobalt users out there, you know what i'm saying, and if you're not on the list, you're missing out.
a friend of mine gave me a full Powerbook 1400 with case, midi, all the goodies really. why????? cuz it runs os 8.0 ok, and thinks that JPG is a "PC" format. netscrape cant open a 1 MB photo, and nubus macs have little future as linux machines, limited to a mach kernel version with 0 support for anything that could connect into or out to the world. unless you have the extreme need for an entire system in a sand box
that said, this machine, which they charge nearly 1000 dollars for on ebay, which sells for 200 bucks loaded. its a lovely box, and will be my digi photo storage machine.
1000 bucks?!?!?! can't i buy a lovely brand new ibook that does it all and is supported and current? yes, and i will soon.
i don't have offsite storage at the moment, except for my server. i give backups to clients when jobs are paid for.
however, i use an 80 gb firewire drive for medium-long term storage. it was cheap ($130) easy to start with, and only turned on once a month for backup, and to keep it warm.
keeps the drive in ok shape, without exposing it to harm. works for me . . . .
just try the books for Dummies series. i'm not bein sarcastic, but have found them to be oustanding. PHP/MySQL for dummies has more than made up for the cover price, many times over.
i'm just waiting for become a billionaire like bill gates for dummies . . . . .
its news, cuz a) its a mac, and that just seems to do it these days b) many, many colleges do something similar with a twist. they require students to get a PC (or mac occasionally) to attend the school. I know law students who have had to purchase one or the other before enrollment, and only that one, usually PC. excuse me, were forced to. at some unis, they simply require that students in the dorms purchase a machine because they cannot provide enough services for their whole population.
this really is quite unique, unless you have links to other schools with the same programs???? love to C them
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that is what we dot-com-go-boom employees deal with on a daily basis, er, well, some of us. the rest of us have moved on with our lives, and spend our time playing with our Macintosh and NeXT machines. ok, well, hey, i do anyway.
now if i could only magically make a NuBus mac into a working, communicating Linux box (sigh).
hey jordan, i will love you forever if you inspire the NuBus machine port of Darwin. but i won't hold my breath :)
. . . . at least on mac. this is just nostalgia to try and make people forget that their engine is dog slow.
in a sane world B would be the only case, but large corporates spend all that money on in house legal, primarily because of all the crappy litigation they fight off. this is just partially a result of that.
partly a result of the IBMifacation, if you will, of the American tech sector. M$ is leading that charge (is it longhorn, or longhorn warp??), and lots of others are following.
note, i spoke of college admins. the school district folks ive met usually have it rough, like u do. i have the utmost respect for those types of challenges. uniTards on the other hand dont know the difference between their a$$hole and their earholes.
they were always full of shit, and would walk around and shut down our boxes as we played.
since you're one of them, that makes you highly qualified as a moron.
if jerks like u spent the time studying your manuals instead of hunting down gamers, you might know how to find your ass in a paper bag, let alone manage a network.
i leave you with the greatest curse i can levy upon anyone: your own stupidity is your highest reward.
maybe a digital production house thingee or something. make it have shopping cart, listening station, pay for play settings for multiple bitrates of mp3s, sell stickers, promote bookings, all the goods that an aspiring artist needs to start a label, and distribute without a big company. all with one easy to install (ok, well, installable) package. could be a start.
After much wrangling among attorneys over the definition of the word "willful," the judge told jurors that in order to find the company guilty, they must agree that company representatives knew their actions were illegal and intended to violate the law. Merely offering a product that could violate copyrights was not enough to warrant a conviction, the jury instructions said.
this was wedged into the bottom, and it is the most important part of the precedent set. its the legal ruling by the judge that the creators intent during creation determines its illegality under the DCMA. in other words, violate it all you want, as long as you truly believe that there is an allowable or "fair use" of the product you created.
say you made a decryption system to allow companies to recover data from an encrypted system in case of human tragedy (the only guy who knows the key dies), which does happen, you would not be in violation of the DCMA.
i think we all knew that it would only take a few test cases to rip this poorly written law open. this is just the first, and will hopefully discourage companies from invoking this unholy of the unholies.
of course the worst part of the law, is simply the threat of legal action. perhaps there will be popular support for making the threat of DCMA litigation a crime itsself.
on the outside, it means that there will be more suits, however, it could:
a)result in a large body of case law to stip the act of the rest of it's fangs
b)insure that companies only use it when the threat is DIRE.
c)really keep the EFF busy for a while.
my .02
ok, soupy was that good. we just knew all the fun win95 hacks, like telling IE that it's telnet app was command.com and how to use his stuff. this guy didn't have a novell certifacation, but he took over. we were just lucky fuckers, and fragging away!
oh, sure, like all those 18 year old future programmers aren't gonna figure something out :) that sounds like some real arrogance to me.
as for the win solution. at FSU they used something called Centurion, that did the same thing, reboot all of our changes away.
fortunately for us, we had already hacked their novell server, and had all of our stuff in a nice hidden directory, so when it came time to Quake, we had a 5 minute setup :)
sad as it is, most of the college admin staffs i've come across are way undertrained. ironically, it was because once someone graduated (MCSE or CompSci, whatever) their starting salary was more than the Uni wanted to pay. . . ...
it all makes sense, $6 million for Lee Stevens, only $3.2 mil for a dog
lets see, the screen makes the eyes burn, the keyboard makes the hands tingle, the chair burns your ass, takes a while to get comfortable and u don't want to leave it. i call it OS X.
it will now be known as /3 of /10 . . .
seriously, its always a joy to see the cast of TNG on the screen. i luv the trek, and well, couldn't care less if there's a plot, or if there's not. does real life always have a plot????? i'll live if its missing, just so long as there's alien babes in short skirtz
i agree, this is aimed at the scientific community. i also agree that his aim is persuasion, and to better accomplish this goal, it might be more important to use historical precident when talking, not just personal experience.
to be scientific about this, using only one's own experience to convey a point of historical interest is like using your control group as your observation and control group.
a little more objectivity in those points would carry them further in the non-scientific world.
let me also point out that i have been friends to physicists doing that sort of research (well, Top Quark stuff with U Chi, out of FSU) and I do agree that there is a significant change underway in your field.
however, as the post implies, the reason for this is the tendency of academic arguements to remain . .. . academic.
kind of like this post
i think the important idea is finding where the Mean lies between academic truth, and (feeling) forced to present science fiction to obtain $$. beaurocracies have a mind of their own, but they do hold the purse strings. nobody likes em, but they are here to stay, like roaches, they would be the only form of life to survive the bombs your professor made.
and did all those physicists really want to make Alpha-Omega devices all those years? or was that just for the money?
i do actually agree with his ideas, but there is a better way to express them. isn't that what scientific truth is really all about???
prof. mclaughlin, if you're listenin, i'm on your side.
ok dude, i like your opinions about the value of scientific purity, and openness. but i think that your head is buried in a lot of historical sand.
the Military-Industrial complex of the last 50 years has been driven by university research, and there was no "tradition" of giving without expecting a return. there is always a return, at minimum some gov. controls (see stem cells) at maximum, total control (see manhattan project @ U Chicago).
please limit you traditions to historical fact.
this comment is the result of what i call Academic Demetia. typical professor here, thinks that they give him all that money solely for the purpose of his enjoyment of the truly kewl geek toys that normal people can't afford (well, cept for the atom smasher i installed in my Volvo).
wake up fella, the government owns more whores like you than you could find if you put LA, Amsterdam and Tel Aviv together and shook it up, and declared perpetual night. which is apparently, the sum of your historical knowledge, lemme guess, you didn't like "memorizing facts"????
end disgruntled history major rant.
yes, i love the advantage of being script kidde proof. or as we like to say "the kiddies skipped their MIPS assembler lessons today"
ok bro, now you've lost me. Xerox screwed up bigtime, but could have been the digiDocument company if they had played their cards right. it is just far more obvious to us today what they had at the time, than it was to the suits. don't mistake this for it not being possible
and this is the same reason that m$ makes webTV, windoze CE, Pocket PC os, Smart (their imagination) phones and whatnot. if m$ had any real sense, they would start longer term R&D dept. well, they have one, kinda, but their current market stance (willing and aple to spy on you, aka Big Brother) is a deterrent to their management incorporating any of the better ideas.
people are often bound by their own pre-concieved notions, and that is especially strong in academia. if you listen to your college professor father (like mine) too carefully, life gets suddenly boring, and you start "jumping thru hoops" and "playing the game". when a company gets monopoly position (like intel basically had for a while) they can leverage that to do serious longterm research.
by the way, kudos for intel's monopoly management, and success in being the gorilla without being a monopoly.
could not have said it better myself. how many private APIs will m$ hide for "security" (their own financial) until they get that point??
how many people here doubt that they could become even larger if they shed the fat (webTV), opened up WinBlows, and stopped acting like a hyeena roaming the tech safari? all that without strangling the market or as they like to call it "promoting innovation, so long as we can tax it". when you have 40 bn in the bank, its easy to re-invent yourself in a more useful (less buggy maybe) form factor, see the Fruity competition for remake details and how a fat bank account lets you do that sort of thing.
is even mentioned in the article as why bell labs had great scientific integrity for all those years. if we're going to put up with a monopoly, that does not mean that they cannot operate in the best interests of society (when they don't they are Sherman Acted).
without bell labs, where would computing be today? bsd grew out of unix, from there, and hey, raise your hand if you like TCP/IP protocols and BIND
that particular machine runs a custom rolled distro of Red Hat 6.2 and has been known to be very reliable, and have mild issues from updates. every one of the holes it covers has some sort of workaround, which those admins have probably employed already.
i'd like to take this opportunity to complement the Cobalt Raq Users List members as well. without people like bruce timberlake, jeff lasman, steve werby (a /. contributor) and a whole host of others (can't name everyone) the raq has a vibrant community of admins willing to help even the newbiest of owners.
my machine runs on a lovely 64-bit mipsel processor from MIPS and is one of the dutch (sun bought cobalt a while back, it started on the other side of the pond) original models. they are tremendously power efficient, quiet and dependable boxen. mine uses a dinosauric 2.0 kernel and modified red hat 5.1 , and runs php 4.1.2/mysql like a champ.
not only that, but the cobalt raq IS a web appliance. In other words, its not really meant to do all that out of the box (back then anyway). today's raqs run a full gamut of oss and free software, and come pre-installed with everything you need as a webmaster.
it is an oustanding machine for NT admins to learn how to switch over, with the cushion of a working system to learn from.
yes, sun doesn't always get it right, but they put their backs into it so to speak, and it is not unusual for a Cobalt engineer to post solutions (even unofficial ones) to the list.
for all you cobalt users out there, you know what i'm saying, and if you're not on the list, you're missing out.
this post has voided your warranty. peace.
friends don't let friends drink and compute.
that said, this machine, which they charge nearly 1000 dollars for on ebay, which sells for 200 bucks loaded. its a lovely box, and will be my digi photo storage machine.
1000 bucks?!?!?! can't i buy a lovely brand new ibook that does it all and is supported and current? yes, and i will soon.
however, i use an 80 gb firewire drive for medium-long term storage. it was cheap ($130) easy to start with, and only turned on once a month for backup, and to keep it warm.
keeps the drive in ok shape, without exposing it to harm. works for me . . . .
i'm just waiting for become a billionaire like bill gates for dummies . . . . .
this really is quite unique, unless you have links to other schools with the same programs???? love to C them
know of any kewl linux user groups down here? haven't made a slashdot meetup yet, thurs. is always a busy workday for me.