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Opera Gives That C64 Feel
howcome writes "Opera yesterday relased beta2 of the forthcoming 7.0 version. Opera now supports mulitple user style sheets and by selecting "Nostalgia" from the menu all web pages suddenly resemble Commodore 64 (screendump1 screendump2) from 20 years back. Also, there is a handheld emulator to see what a page will look like on a handheld device running Opera. To get you through Christmas, you can also use the "fast-forward" button. Try it on Google (screendump)!"
I have fond memories of dialing up with the 300 baud modem hooked up to the old vic 20. When will I be able to relive that experience?
If you can't be the best, do something kind of zany and creative in hopes of keeping your business afloat.
Hey, I guess they figured it works for Apple and could maybe work for them.
Three cheers for Opera!
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. . . . at least on mac. this is just nostalgia to try and make people forget that their engine is dog slow.
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Predictably, the images are down.
Opera just made a mistake, in my opinion, with that. I liked how they kept the browser streamlined and stripped down; this new feature is, possibly, a sign of creeping featurism and surrender to the forces of software bloat.
Oh well. I guess if I want a simple browser, I should stick to Lynx.
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I have been begging all the browser developers for the C64 look and feel. Now Opera has it!!! I can't fskin' believe it! My Browsing Experience is going to increase a million fold because of this. Way to go Opera! No cure for cancer yet, but I can browse like its 1982 all over again! W00T!
So when can I expect a C64 theme for Phoenix?
Wow, c-64 look... That's reason enough for me to try opera... had been putting it off for awhile now...
Gotta say that those screen shots, the app theme/skin looked very nice, too...
Have to try it now, no two ways about it.
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they've already lost 24 bits
Does this mean that someone is working on a cart based Linux distro? Can't wait to do tar backups on my cassette!
yep.
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have you even used opera?
the engine is still faster then anything else I've used, and I've just about tried them all (especially on older hardware).
and as for opera not being the best... it's got quite a few people who've *actually* used it for awhile who believe it's far superior to anything else out there right now.
One of the first things to go onto my machine is opera, no matter what OS I'm running.
Sure, the c64 thing is silly... that's what it's intended to be... probably a coder just having some fun one day threw it in there as comic relief.
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their site was slashdotted before there were even 2 posts to this article.
Read the tutorial at mozdev.org.
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the C64 feels YOU in the opera!
The free-software Jacobins can rant all they want, but when it comes to posting screen shots on slashdot, PNG isn't a great format to use.
should have thought before clicking on an AC link
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Clever.
Maybe with the C-One us 8-bitters can get closer to a real 8-bit Opera browser... :-) Of course it would probably have to run under Wings or Wheels though
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The new Embedded Opera looks fantastic for PDAs and cell phones, it basically reverses the zooming features and doesn't drop anything(except superfalous images), CSS, javascript, it's all in there. I hope us Zaurus users can get a free upgrade, I'm finally getting 802.11 for it in a few days ;)
put the what in the where?
I still play with my C64 sometimes... I really love it! Few games today can beat the wonderful feeling of The Last Ninja series, Outrun (yes, I think the C64-version is WAY better than the arcadeversion, especially the music), H.E.R.O, Uridium, Monty on the run, etc etc.. Not to mention the "Games"-series.. (World Games, Summer Games, Winter Games, California Games)...
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slow engine? let me laugh. and next he's gonna argue that mozilla isn't slow *shrugs*
i used to think so too..
before i got phoenix.
(well, the differences are VERY subtle, but hey, if i can have for FREE something that i'd need to pay with opera or warez.. darn ads. i also dig phoenixs default ui look more)
opera has it's uses though, the zoom function makes handheld webbrowsing a breeze.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
You say something funny once and get a laugh.
You say it again, because hey...it worked once.
You say it again, thinking "third time's the charm...."
Actually, it stopped being funny halfway through the second time you said it.
You say it a fourth time, and it annoys people.
Someone else says it, sort of making fun of you for saying it so much.
After a while it starts being funny again.
After a VERY LONG while, it stops being funny for a while. People slowly stop saying it because the phrase has gone from "funny" to "played".
Slowly, oh so slowly, it starts being funnny again in a nostalgic sorta way...
At least, that's how it worked in soviet russia.
How many times is this?
Have you been using Opera recently? Like over the last couple years? The new betas are really pretty speedy and also smaller than the 6.x release versions. I just downloaded the last beta and the latest production release. Here they are:
[wee@host tmp]$ ls -l
total 6836
-rw------- 1 wee wee 3588280 Dec 18 16:06 ow32enen605.exe
-rw------- 1 wee wee 3397867 Dec 18 16:05 ow32enen700b2.exe
My boss and I were talking about this very topic. They've apparently re-written the rendering engine from the ground up. We suspect that they use the same engine in the desktop versions as in the embedded versions. Then they tack on JavaScript and Java and the various UI bits to make each platform-specific release.
Whatever they do, they haven't succumbed to to creature feep. They've done just about the opposite: they started fresh and the result is a faster, leaner browser. Of course, I've only used the windows version a couple times, but it was noticeably nimbler than the 6.x Linux versions.
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It's amusing to see retro styles like this coming to our modern computers. All those fancy blinking lights and millions of colours and yet people still enjoy and actively use styles that are supposed to represent 16 bit or 8 bit GUIs or CLIs.
Maybe it's more evident for me to see these trends because I wish I was back in the days Amiga began, though at this age, with more programming knowledge and a wad of german Marks to buy Amiga from commodore. Then I'd hire this aspiring student from Helsinki Uni called Linux Torvalds, lock him into a room with an Amiga 500, some computer running Minix next to another one running some BSD unix, a bunch of programming tools and with an infinite supply of an odd mixture of Guiness/Red Bull. After a few months of hyper-evolution, Linus would crank out a basic kernel and a few nicely ported programs, including word processors and other office relics that were used back in '83, along with some basic GUI. (Think of xfree68x 0.0.1)
After this, program developers would be VERY interested in the Amiga, a system running mainstream office programs based on the proven reliability of unix. Game developers would start to prefer the graphical powers and the motorola processors of the Amiga and Microsoft would be out of business before they even started. Or they'd start to develop for the Amiga, ruining my whole fantasy as it would simply turn the tables, making Amigas with Windows XP mainstream in 2002 and x86 based pcs a rarity, only to be maintained by a bunch of zealots who would make religious fundamentalists blush... :( Dammit, I hate it when I kill my own fantasies! *sob*
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There is a glaring problem with Opera 7's much-touted "PDA support." Opera does not automatically pick up stylesheets declared as media="handheld". In other words, instead of using a stylesheet that specifically formats a page for PDAs and handheld devices, Opera will try to reformat the page on its own.
That's a pretty neat trick for pages whose designers aren't thinking about the bigger picture (the Hiptop does something similar), but a real pain in the ass for those of us who are building pages "the right way" (i.e. XHTML for content, CSS for layout). This is particularly annoying in that Opera claims to fully support W3C CSS Mobile Profile 1.0. As far as I can tell, it doesn't.
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Do you guys think you could fucking mirror some images every now and then?
I also just love how sometimes Opera just disappears off my screen for no reason (ie. crashes). Sometimes while just sitting idle it does that. It has always done this since the pre 1.0 days and is the main reason why I never purchased the damn thing. Even the very latest version does it if you use it long enough (2 or 3 times a day is enough to make me very angry). Mozilla on the other hand runs for weeks at a time without crashing.
I'm talking about the Linux version, not Windows which seems a bit more stable (maybe, I haven't used it much there).
Overall I like Opera but the crashing is very unprofessional for a product they expect me to pay for.
Oy, 2 page links and 3 images. It's already slowed to a crawl. Did their admin kill your dog or something Hemos?
I have to ask - you - why is PNG bad? Really - I'd like to know what you think is bad about it? What would you suggest is better? Windoze BMP for it's small file size maybe?!
Info on PNG
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I guess they're already suffering from being slashdotted. The pictures don't load any more. *SIGH* Damn having to do work and missing them by minutes.
Just install this software. Trust me, you'll wish you had your VIC back.
No amount of filtering can make slashdot look good.
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Yeah, I gotsta agree. If you check my journal you can see a writeup I did on phoenix.
I always used IE mostly, and Moz sometimes. I knew phoenix existed, just wasn't sure what it was. I've used Opera and some of my friends use it. (They've cracked it, as they are poor college students and would never pay for software that wasn't a console video game). Everyone's tastes are different, but from someone who has used every major web browser since Netscape 2.0. Phoenix is the SHIT! (in a good way).
And its not like I can't get those style sheets to work in another browser or anything.
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Why would I want that? lynx is the best way I can think of to browse the web as a handicapped person would. Also, I don't want to open up another browser besides Opera to get that functionality.
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...is it just me or am I the only person who hates applications that put so many stupid assed buttons at the top that they take up over 1/3rd of the viewing area?
In the case of those screen shots, literally less than 2/3rds of the client window are dedicated to browsing. Now, I realize a lot of this will be based on one's screen resolution, but I'm running at 1280x960 and it's STILL showing too much wasted space.
I'm something of a hardcore minimalist, and the less pure crap in my work space, the better. I don't exactly like IE, but at least I get to turn off EVERYTHING, and focus just on the page. If I want to leave the buttons active, I can remove the text lables, make them small, and put the address field right next to them taking up almost no space at all. Now THAT is compact, efficient, and minimalistic. Too bad I have to run this silly Windows thing around it.
Hmmm... so I will be able to view websites as through the eyes of a c64, but I see nothing in the feature list about opera being able to render the page even though it hasn't downloaded all the images. Will _that_ be fixed in version 7? I hope so.
Opera needs MS mouse scroll wheel support, and this is the main reason I wont use it. The response the developers posted, "use autoscroll" on MS mice.
Get with the times, wheel mouse work with Mozilla/Phoenix/IE and Netscape, how about supporting it in Opera?
BTW, I hear it works fine with logitech mice, but all I have is m$ rodents.
see this for well thought out appraisal of opera's ui, particularly vis-a-vis mozilla's ui.
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I've recently started using Pheonix and Mozilla, and have found that both are just as stable as Opera, except they do not have this feature, so my losses are more substantial, sometimes requiring me to search through my browser history to get back to where I was. I know that there is some sort of feature like this with the tabs extension, but it's not obvious how it works, and I never got it to.
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Here's a little comparasin, as I use both Opera and Pheonix. Some stuff opera does that pheonix doesn't do, or doesn't do as well (that I actually use): 1. switch all graphics on and off 2. switch css on and off 3. zoom in and out Stuff pheonix (and extensions) does that opera doesn't do, or doesn't do as well: 1. turns off specific graphics 2. better tab management (middle click!) 3. better personal bar, (I especially like opening all my newssites at once with a single middle click, and then throwing them away with another single click when I need to move onto another task.) Just chiming in... _KhlER3L
99.9% of all website work perfectly with IE. That's not true for any other browser I've tried including Netscape, Mozilla and Opera.
:) but I like to use all those fancy technologies appearing on the web, and so far IE is the only one that can cope with all.
I would love to change browser, but I won't accept a browser that doesn't render all the pages I visit. Give me a non-IE browser that renders as large a percentage, and we've got a deal.
I know real nerds prefer text-only (in theory anyway
And let's not forget: IE is a very nice browser in itself. The only real reason I want to switch is because suspect to see DRM and the likes in IE Real Soon(TM). Heck - every time I upgrade to a newer version it's a couple of cents out of MS's pockets for the bandwith - what other browser gives you that satisfaction?
Even the screen update speed was accurate after the screendumps started feeling the slashdot effect.
I'm quite impressed with this second beta. With betas like this, IE7 better be damn good to not get yawned at
It was called Impossible Mission. I was on a retro 64 kick about a year ago and downloaded Vice (a c64 emulator) and several game disk dumps from www.lemon64.com (sadly, they no longer host the actual game disks. I think they ran into legal trouble). Impossible Mission was one of the ones I downloaded.
The truly sad thing is that I was able to beat it again. The first time I tried it. That's just...creepy.
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*step* *step* *step* *BZzzzzzzssszzszzzt*
*step* *step* *jump* "AaaaahhhhhhAAaHHhhhhhhhh..."
That game was way ahead of it's time.
I'd love to see a modern 3-D viewpoint version of it. I think with a behind-the-avataor camera viewpoint like Tomb Raider it would work well. And of course, the guy would have to do a flip every time you jumped, for no aparent reason.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
If there weren't six toolbars, three status bars and a banner ad, it used standard widgets and had mutiple customizable search bars, I'd switch!
jpeg.
The nostalgia feature is great.. and completely useless. No wonder people don't take this web browser seriously.
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Sure, the c64 thing is silly... that's what it's intended to be... probably a coder just having some fun one day threw it in there as comic relief.
Actually the retro-idea is probably ripped off from GTA3 Vice City. This game has it part of its introduction cut-scenes(yes to get you feeling confortable with the 80s).
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I've used Opera 4, 5, 6, and 7b1 on Windows 98, 2K and XP systems with MS, Logitech and Kensignton mice and trackballs an the scroll wheel has worked in every install I've ever done. I don't even have to tell it to use it.
With 7b1 you sometimes have to click the focus into teh frame you want to scroll, but it does work.
I don't know about Linux or OS X, so YMMV in those environs.
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There were a couple of posts on bugtraq when the alpha came out a month or two ago saing that it had really obvious security holes (of the "browse and execute and possibly delete any files" variety) -- nothing else was specified as the opera folks were still working things out to make opera not suck -- but I would like to know if they got the issue(s) resolved before running it. I loved 6 (and 6.05) enough that I paid for it, but have since switched to phoenix (and ghostzilla at work) since I got bored.
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I really got used to the 80 column view of my C= 128. I hope Opera doesn't leave me out in the cold.
When you click on a link does a sound of the 1541 disk drive gronk, grind, and click?
Do you refresh with a SYS64738?
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Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
I don't know about the multiplying buttons on top, though. I mean, seems like with every release, the buttons get drunk, get an orgie, and out pops some more buttons (maybe the buttons are catholic).
soon I will need 1920 pixels of horizontal resolutions just so all the buttons displays properly.
This compared to like what, 6 buttons I use on Moz? shared on the same line as address bar?
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The reason Opera has no users and is relatively unsuccessful is twofold.
First, they charge for what most folks can get for free. I'm not saying this is bad, just that most people wil opt for the free alternative as long as it isn't horrendous.
Second, the browser's interface makes all the wrong choices. First off, what's with these localy defined style sheets in Opera 7? I can understand ALLOWING users to override a site's style sheet with their own settings for accesibility, but activating that functionality by default?!? It looks like garbage.
Then you have the page action in 7.0. Currently windows cannot be locked into full sizemode... they only exist as "instances" inside the frame of the primary window, kinda like Adobe's apparoch. The problem is that all scripts and DHTML use the frame instance as a baseline for position, etc., and NOT the primary window.
Finally you have BASIC javascript functionality that doesn't work in 7.0. You can't even control the display elements of windows anymore... what the hell is with that?
If you are going to charge for something that others provide for free it had better have some value, that's just business 1.0. Opera 7.0 is a step back from teh standard that has been set by Mozilla, and I see it's market share decreasing (although the minibrowser market was a nice lateral move).
And as for its speed, this is all a function of page caching, nothing more. Since I and most other knowledgable folks change the setting to "always download a new copy of the page" the gains made by Opera tend to be infinitessimal. Yes, its fast, but anyone who understands how they acheive the gains also understands why it isn't as fast as everyone says.
-rt
Just one question: why? I could understand when it was only IE and Netscape, and I could see how some might prefer it over Mozilla; but take a look at Phoenix and tell me what Opera has (besides nostalgia mode) that Phoenix doesn't, even though it's only a .5 release. I used Opera until early version 6 or so, then switched to Mozilla and now Phoenix. Is 7 worth another look, or is it mostly the same as before?
well, as for being silly - it seems like it turned into a pretty good marketing tool.
help out.
I think Opera is the best overall browser.
Some browsers are better for certain things, but I think Opera studied how people actually use their browsers. For instance, when you click the back button in Opera, your previous page is there *instantly*.
It renders pages waaaay faster than anything else, and it comes with a decent e-mail client.
Not that I don't have complaints, though. The toolbars & buttons waste screen real estate. Fortunately, you can download some nice skins and small buttons. Ultimately you have more control over what it looks like.
I like IE & Mozilla, but I realize how great Opera is when I use them.
What happens when it loads a page bigger than 64K?
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The parent post did refer to Opera for the Mac. Have you actually used it before? It's terrible.
Version 6.0 was just release (it's a Carbon app that runs on 8, 9, and X), and it's horribly slow, ugly looking, and uses non-standard keyboard shortcuts. I had very high hopes for Opera on the Mac, but this release has all but shattered them for me. It's almost the exact opposite of Opera 6.0 on Windows.
I've been using Opera on Windows for the best part of 4 years, and swear by it. However, I don't even bother with it on my iBook. Perhaps when they eventually release Opera 7 for the Mac (which will be a *long* way off) things will be better, but I'm not holding my breath...
Considering there was no "pre 1.0" release of Opera for any platform, let alone Linux.
The six toolbars and three status bars are ALL optional (except the ad bar in the free version of course), allowing you to nicely customize what you see and what you don't.
I don't know what your complaint with 'widgets' is, I guess it's the linux version you're talking about?
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Yeah, I love Mitsubishi... I get a kick out of driving their products over a sheet of paper!
Let's try again. What would you suggest for LOSSLESS compression, or compression of images with sharp edges?
Does it support CSS-1, CSS-2, DOM, Javascript and XHTML properly, like Mozilla?
Or do they expect us to flush all the cool stuff we can do in Mozilla in order to remain compatible and continue to have web pages that haven't improved since 1998?
Have you ever built a web page or designed an interface? From your comments I'm going to assume the answer is no, and that you are either a DBA, marketing dude, or otherwise non-interface aware individual.
I do a lot of interactive consulting, and I can definitively say Opera is the worst of the four major browsers available (four being IE, NN, MOZ, and Opera). Why?
1) The "opera speed" is a factor of page caching choices made by their dev team. To that end any browser cna achieve an increase in parsing speed if their willing to put logic behind a caching system and virtually force users to employ cached data.
Remember that generally techies bypass all caching and force the browser to "always download a new version of the page", so folks who want to guarantee they get a current page don't get this speed gain. The reasons date back to the early caching fiascos of the major browsers as THEY attempted to make use of caching to "increase their speed."
Yes, most folks leave these elements active by default and will have faster browsing, but at what cost? It is COMMON for new elements of a page not to be detected, and then the user has an outdated page.
2) Opera 7.0 is a catastrophe. I've tested the browser against a whole bunch of DOM standardized code (DHTML, Javascript, etc.). It doesn't even implement BASIC rules properly. window.open properties? Not supported. Page x/y positioning and detection? Not supported, or when it is it's only in relation to an interior "window" that totally defies standardized browser behavior.
I was beginning to support Opera in all my scripts, but after testing the betas I've been forced to acknoeldge I won't do so going forward. The differences betwen 6.01 and 7.0 are ENORMOUS, and 6 is actually MORE standards comliant the 7!!!!
Thanks god opera's market share is small enough to ignore. If it works for them fine, if not they can scream at Opera's dev team.
-rt
I thought "Finally, a chance to see a web page on my Zaurus as it was meant to be displayed on a Zaurus!"
Silly me...
Of COURSE there were no options for Linux, much less the Zaurus...
John Pointdexter knows if you use Opera, or a C64 for that matter. John Pointdexter is Big Brother.
Now, if someone just could make a new video compression format that would allow us to view the latest movies on the old 64... ;)
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This is a Windows only beta? Did I miss my cue to jump for joy?
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Still, Opera for Windows and Linux are fine browsers, and well worth the download. Main problem I have on some Linux systems with Opera is the fonts. That can be a bear to solve, and is, according to Opera, your fault. I am, however, using Phoenix 0.4 for Windows now, and I love it. Didn't have to muck around in the prefs for the popup killer, it's on by default. Smoothed out the Internet right away, that popup killer:-)
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I had been using Opera 7 beta 1 for a while -- and deeply enjoying the M2 mail client -- but then I installed 7b2 over my 7b1 installation. Whoops! Beta 2 CANNOT IMPORT BETA 1 EMAIL. I had to reinstall beta 1. (Luckily I had installed beta 2 without profiles, so my email was all in c:\windows\application data\opera\opera7\ and was not overwritten by the beta 2 installation.)
I like beta 2 -- a lot -- but the inability to import my email causes a bad break in usability. Be warned.
I have used Opera since it was launched many years ago and I currently use Phoenix on Gentoo Linux here at work in production. Both are great browsers, but Phoenix is still lacking in some sense.
One feature I miss in Phoenix is handling both the select-buffer and the cut-and-paste buffer in Xwindows, it only handles the select buffer. Opera does and I need it since I do a lot of cut and paste between web-pages and an internal tool written in Java (only supports the cut and paste buffer)
Another issue, which is a bug in Phoenix is downloading UNIX compressed files (.Z). Phoenix does not save them at all.
I can go on and on with differnces, but I don't need to. Both browsers are good and I'm sure Phoenix will be even better as their development goes forward. Browser wars are stupid. Test several browsers and pick the one that covers your usage. It may not be the same as everybody else chooses, but so what?
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i said on mac , and a dog it is. i'd say chimera, omniweb, or mozilla when pulling multiple pages (for stability purposes) are the fastest on my old assed mac. opera finally released first non-beta, its putrid
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Where is the giant banner add offering something I don't care about?
All joking aside I wish Opera the best, but I couldn't imagine using it when there are other viable options.
PNG is great if you are a detail freak like I am. I could never design a website like www.rhettscott.com without png. gif just doesn't cut it and jpegs will not allow transparencies.
I'm sick and tired of the way IE implements png support. Makes me go through loops just to make it png look right.
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Great game, so much fun, and surprisingly full of stuff to do and explore. Or maybe it was just because I was like 8 years old.
... You broke your Shuba!
In any case, I loved that game so much that I bought the book. There's an entire series, in fact. The book really explains what was going on in the game. It's an interesting read if you're a Below the Root fan.
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great, now that linux makes me feel like im using a 386 because of fucking with configurations all the time and misconfigured hardware, now I can relive even earlier painful memories!
Where oh where? this is killing me.
Yo! See Microsoft's abundant documentation on the GDI.
Not an Opera problem, sport.
A bit cranky I suppose, but...
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I know it's a little tricky: Both liking and not liking IE in the same post, but I'll try to explain: I like some aspects and I dislike others.
Praising IE in one sentence and then criticizing it in the next - it's easy to get confused. Let me clarify:
I would like to use another browser, because IE furthers DRM.
If you go through my post really, really slowly I'm confident you'll find the passage, where I state excactly that (I'll give you a hint: It's the one that says "The only real reason I want to switch is because suspect to see DRM and the likes in IE Real Soon(TM)").
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That was my favorite "phoenix"... I always liked the away/leaving/joining comments; they were all lyrics from megadeth songs.
The "War" portion of the script looked interesting, though I was never L4M3Rz enough to employ it... I was on IRC to chat, not compensate for my personal insecurities by kick/banning people, and taking over their channels.
What happened to IRC anyway? I've been on a few times recently, and it's just not the same. All the old guard are gone, and it's all "RU Single??" messages.
Sorry for the nostalgia; that C-64 screen really got me going...
Even if a man chops off your hand with a sword, you still have two nice, sharp bones to stick in his eyes.
I had a nice warm feeling when loading up vice city...lo and behold there was teh screen from my old vic-20 days...
Was the C 64 really around 20 years ago?!? It doesn't seem like that long ago when I was playing Bard's Tale on one. Jesus, 20 years ago, that makes me... oh I'm depressed now.
That will make the Internet go faster on it! Al Gore told me.
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and as for opera not being the best... it's got quite a few people who've *actually* used it for awhile who believe it's far superior to anything else out there right now.
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They obviously arnt web developers. Maybe to a normal (non-advanced) user Opera might be acceptable, But to anyone thats ever touched css Opera is unusable. Its one of the worst to render css in my experience (excluding ns3/ie3).
It has huge problems with spacing and linebreaks, and generaly makes it hard to work with.
If they can blatently break css and still be called a browser? 'cat' makes a pretty fast rendering engine to, though it has "a few rendering problems".
Pain lasts, kid. Its how you know you're alive. Sometimes I think this growing up thing is just pain management-TheMaxx
AHHHH! Text web browsing....bad college flashbacks....noooooo!
-ted
FP fails you!
That's great and all, but what about even a shred of DOM compliance, or CSS2... or a million of the other things that make Opera a completely unutilizable platform. If it doesn't support the core compliance that Mozilla(Gecko)/IE do... then I really hope that people stop using it altogether.
It's nice and all having an 'alternative' browser, but having to create special tweaks to support it is soooo 1999. It's time for the browser makers to wise up and realize this. Konqueror developers, you listening?
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The majority of websites today seem intent on popping up these annoying other windows, which I never requested. Strangely, in Opera I never see this problem.
If having needless application windows showing up all the time is your idea of perfect, you can keep it - I'll take my 'imperfect' browser any day.
Endless arguments over trivial contradictions in books written by ignorant savages to explain thunder in the dark.
The HyperLink program is not a web browser, but only a special kind of document viewer that uses a Unix server to render the web pages. It would have been cool to see a web browser on a C64, but this is not such a program.
The Wave is actually a web browser, but it does not run on the C64, not even on the C128. It requires a special add-on computer called the SuperCPU that is plugged into the cartridge expansion port. The SuperCPU has a 20 MHz processor and 16 megabytes of memory, so that "The Wave" browser is just as impressive as Internet Explorer or Netscape on my old 386. In fact, those looked a lot better than "The Wave" as well.
Hopefully, someone really codes up a real web browser for the C64 someday! I will definately be looking forward to be able to take out my C64 and do some real web browsing with it.
We are developing performance benchmark utility, where online graphs are presented as html pages. We have to support different browsers/platforms, and Opera got ruled out quite fast. Why?
Caching is impossible to deal with, online graphs are updated in browser with simple reload, which Opera ignores. Clicking on reload in Opera doesn't help either...
Would you buy a car that shows it is running at 200 mph while doing 40? Would you go "Oooooh, that's faaaast!!!" ?
Not to mention the opera's inability to parse code.
Granted, warning unsuspecting users of obscene links isn't exactly on the subject, but come on, modding me down as off-topic for warning others? At least mod the friggin' parent post. Sheesh.
make world, not war
Anyway, we, the Opera-users are the l33t elite. And stubborn fuckers as well :) But we know we're right, so it doesn't matter.
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I agree. It's pretty clear that there are not many web developers here, just web users.
All this talk about the best and fastest 'engine' is crap. If these guys had to code a moderatley complex site that relies on CSS for layout and formatting then they'd soon realize what a mediocre implementation of a browser Opera really is.
Opera 6.05 on Win XP works exactly the same as in IE, scrollwheel wise
both manually scrollwheeling & auto scrolling
Your ass rapes taco?
Wait, am I doing something wrong?
Yes indeedy that was from Impossible Mission, one of the raddest games for that sweet, sweet little C64 that we know and love and jerk our pathetic little pricks to whenever we get the chance.
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Yeah, sure the Turbo Duo was great, but did it have full voice emulation, a host of killer robots AND heroes that had 15 frames of RUNNING ANIMATION?!
I think you and I both know the answer to that!
If anybody wants to get the sound clips from that sweet, sweet game (really, the sound bites are fucking phenomenal and awesome) one should head, MOSEY if they would over to ZVGQ and peruse the IM page. Truly, worth your time. And a way fucking better meme than the Zero Wing intro (coincidentally, ZVGQ was the originator of that insipid, braincurdling little sack of shit and Lago would rather have nothing to do with the site anymore as a result) Hooray for progress!
Linky poo: http://zanyvg.overclocked.org/impossiblemission/i
Why is it when I hit ^R that ZSH calls me a cocksucker?
Microsoft announces IE7 incorporating "PageBlock(tm)" technology to protect copyright.
Every year, billions of dollars of revenue are lost by people "remembering" web pages they've seen, instead of going back to look at them again. The newest generation of browsers addresses this "involuntary" copyright violation by incorporating a hypnotic 'flicker' effect in all pages, which will cause you to forget the content of a page a few minutes after viewing it - leaving only the vague memory of having seen something informative or entertaining.
...GNU/stalgia??
if (!signature) { throw std::runtime_error("No sig!"); }
(ie. crashes)
You just couldn't write a post without bashing Microsoft.*rimshot*
But nothing rocks like the pop-up killer in Opera 7. It pops up only pop-ups that you _asked for_ (or, clicked on). Works like a charm. Can't wait for Opera 7 on Linux..
No, no, you did it wrong.
In Soviet Russia, C64 gives Opera Feeling!
I bet there are a lot of old Amiga geeks out there who'd love to be browsing the internet on something that looks like an Amiga...but isn't...as opposed to some of us old Amiga geeks (you know who you are, hi, Knute!) who really do browse the internet on Amigas.
;)
He says there's actually a good reason, even: "I don't get viruses, because nobody writes viruses for my operating system, chortle chortle chortle." Me: "So when are you going to get a real computer? I switched to PCs years ago!" Anybody got an Amiga virus on disk I could send to him by mail?
I'm not a geek, I'm just a clever script.
That's because they cut corners on image rendering. If you want speed you have to have lower quality images. There's a setting to display the image as the web page intended, but you can kiss your speed goodbye.
(VMS in-joke:
$ set default sys$manager
$ show default
SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] =
Change the leading "i" to "Mc" and you have a whole other strategy.
I think variety is the spice of life. I originally bought for Opera for linux because it rendered fonts so much better than Netscape and Konqueror. This was before Moz.
In RH linux I mainly use Opera 6, but I also use Konqueror and Mozilla for various tasks. Konq is great because (in KDE 2.2.2) it's small and pops up quickly for little tasks. Moz has good font handling now and is more compatible with some websites that were written for Netscape. Opera is tops for its handy keyboard shortcuts, easy toggle to user style (e.g. to fix a white-on-black site), and excellent tabs and bookmarks implementation.
Once in a while I export my Opera bookmarks and suck'em into Moz, just to keep things in sync. Some day I'll write a Mozilla start-up script that does this automatically.
Opera's unstable in Linux, unfortunately. Since 6, I've *NEVER* had an instance of Opera not crash eventually. 6.1 has gotten more stable but man-oh-man what is it with these segv's all over the place? I would have thought a few code reviews would have caught most of these long ago, but the Opera folks must be understaffed.
In Windows I mainly use Moz but occasionally IE when forced to. In other words, the more the merrier. It's not browser wars; it's browser orgies!
it's = "it is"; its = possessive. E.g., it's flapping its wings.
I made it, after mapping out where all the dynamite sticks were in advance, and I was loading/saving ten times as much as I was playing, and I finally finished it on my last life. Other games like Bubble Bubble could be won without losing a single life that way. Dynamite Dan? Often you just *had* to lose lives, even if you played perfectly.
Kjella
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
I find that rolling the wheel moves the page up and down - should it do something else?
That it is easy to implement is irrelevant. The fact is it's an innovative and intelligent idea.
Boffoonery - downloadable Comedy Benefit for Bletchley Park
Sadly, most webdesigners out there still think its 1996 and that there are only 2 browsers out there. Even more sad is the fact that most of them only cater to the 90% of the internet that are mindless sheep that fall into the "Microsoft is good" mindset (kinda like you?).
Most rendering problems are because of poorly formed and/or proprietary HTML/CSS that IE allows and the "good" browsers don't. It isn't Opera's fault that morons that get paid to write websites don't know how to write HTML properly.