Yes, exactly. I came here to post this. The issue is that people are short-sighted and have limited imagination. Everyone thinks this stuff is done to catch "bad guys". They don't consider themselves a possible target.
People are okay with their employer snooping on their Internet traffic at work. Would they be okay if information gathered during that snooping were a factor in their next performance review? I would hope not. But it's not framed that way and they don't look at it that way.
So if you have zero to hide, you won't mind sending me your home address, bank details, and medical records?
Why did you leave off the second half of his post and then reply as though he hadn't written it? He said that even though he has nothing to hide he still values privacy. That implies that he would not give you his financial and medical information. And his AC post is not ironic, because again, he values privacy.
Oh, I remember. I wasn't happy about that, just as I'm not happy about what Secretary Clinton did. Secretiveness and corruption are not limited to any one party.
The fact that this nonissue keeps getting airtime proves there is one.
Kevin McCarthy admitted it on national television. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but it is pretty clear that the Right wing has it in for her.
It's pretty common to see people with multiple piercings or stretched earlobes (called gauging).
Just as an FYI, these are never attractive. I'm down with whatever people want to do with their bodies, but I've never understood the appeal of gauges.
Wow, you guys have really been taken in by the US media's propaganda.
I live in the US and I have no clue what you're referring to. These are just idiots. The media here is bad but not this bad or in this way. The extreme right republicans would do this but most of the media is on the left.
At the risk of sounding smug, you aren't supposed to notice. The message management is subtle enough that it's hard to detect. I would recommend the film "Manufacturing Consent" and the "Century of the Self" documentary series. You might also read the book "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays. From Bernays' book:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
That's what I'm talking about. Bernays went on to revolutionize the fields of advertising and public relations. His methods work to influence the thoughts, opinions and attitudes of people without their knowledge. They really do work; power now relies on it. Look into it, if you're interested. I find it quite fascinating.
so, absolutely zero of those syrian 'refugees' are isis then eh?
How could I, or you, have any idea who any Syrian refugees are? I am not in Syria or any European country. Is it possible? Sure, but so what? What are we afraid is going to happen?
However being a Christian conservative white male has been deem illegal in this country it seems like and blamed for every thing. I have 5 kids, an amazing wife and I'm disabled at 47 after three back surgeries have caused me to suffer constant pain and I'm no longer able to work. But I don't blame the doctors or anyone else and I don't demand special treatment. That is part of what being a real conservative is like.
Yes, White Christian males have it so hard in America. What is actually happening is people are finally pointing out what an advantage you have by virtue of being White, male and Christian. You interpret that as being blamed for everything. But people are pointing out that this country is based on White Christian male supremacy. It may not look that way from your perspective, but a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water. It's hard to recognize a system from within the system.
But then again that should have been obvious to everyone long ago. Shame too many people think the government is some sort of magic purse.
There was a TED talk not long ago, given by Jonathan Haidt, highlighting his research into the liberal vs the conservative mind. The findings was quite interesting and go some way towards explaining the motivations behind liberal and conservative social policy preferences. Basically, he identifies five cross-cultral foundations of morality:
1. Care for each other and resistance to harm
2. fairness/reciprocity
3. tribalism/sub-group loyalty
4. authority/respect
5. purity/sanctity
A balance of all five was found to be a necessary condition for what many people would consider to be a good society. Now here is where it gets interesting. People who characterize themselves as conservative tend to base their moral compass on a combination of all five values. Some valued more than others but all of them at least considered. However, people who characterize themselves as liberal tend to value the first three characteristics quite highly, but authority/respect and purity/sanctity little or not at all. This comports well with liberal policy preferences and social movements in recent memory which have sought to deliver results quickly, but without much interest in conserving existing social structures or regard to existing authorities. Anyone else remember "Question Authority"?
Is there a citation for "People who characterize themselves as conservative tend to base their moral compass on a combination of all five values. Some valued more than others but all of them at least considered. However, people who characterize themselves as liberal tend to value the first three characteristics quite highly, but authority/respect and purity/sanctity little or not at all"? Sorry, I can't watch the TED talk at work. But I'm wondering where this information comes from.
In my experience those who identify as Conservative place an inordinate value on tribalism, authority and purity. We certainly see that in the Tea Party movement, which seems to be constantly dissatisfied with office holders being not sufficiently Conservative. They only seem to apply the first two values, care and fairness, within the context of the tribe; i.e. those outside of the tribe are not deemed worthy of care or fairness. We see this in jingoistic foreign policy attitudes and dividing society into "makers" and "takers". We also see it in the persistent racism coming from some corners of the political Right. Basically Black people are not-White (outside the tribe) which takes primacy over their being Americans (inside the tribe). So I'm curious as to where from the idea comes that Conservatives consider all five aspects of morality whereas Liberals only consider three. It doesn't really look that way from my perspective, as someone who identifies as neither Liberal nor Conservative.
Unless you're a corporate "person" in which case it most certainly IS a magic purse.
Cute. "KKKorporations sit there in their... in their KKKorporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all KKKorporation-y... and they make money."
Nice try switching the conversation to "corporations", but the truth is, most Americans now receive government benefits of some kind. You and your kind may think, this is marvellous, but the situation does not benefit the country — the primary beneficiaries are the vast body of government employees paid for confiscating the monies (the IRS) and handing some of it out...
It's my government, why shouldn't I benefit? But regardless, benefits are not paid to people out of tax revenue. The US government can print its own money, so it can spend without taxing or borrowing. Finance doesn't work the same for a country that has sovereign currency. We could literally pay off the debt tomorrow if we wanted to. It would have other effects and implications, but it could be done. The national debt and spending are not usually talked about like this. But one's home budget, or even a corporate balance sheet, has nothing to do with how the Federal Government's finances work.
We should maybe aspire to something greater than a 3000 year old model?
Sadly, most people think the big government they keep voting for is there to help them, not to help those who buy the politicians they vote for. With enemies like the left, the 1% don't need friends.
It's not Left or Right. It's money or no money. The Left/Right paradigm is used to distract from class warfare being waged by the.1%.
The European union will be isis by the time they are done.
Looking at some of the appeasers here it wouldn't surprise me
Wow, you guys have really been taken in by the US media's propaganda. They want you to be afraid. A frightened populace is a controllable populace.
Do you really not see how the fear of Muslim terrorists has been used to curtail your freedoms and tighten control of the authorities? We now have the NSA and who knows who else spying on everyone, the FBI looking at what you read, border checkpoints miles from any border and police using evidence collected in secret, all in the name of protecting us from terrorists.
Terrorists use violence to put fear into a population. Well who is really putting fear into our population? The media and the government spokespeople who feed them information. They want you to be afraid so you'll support their wars (that they lie to us about) and their restrictive policies at home, and keep watching their news channels. Don't fall for it.
Nevertheless I will be dying my hair for my next job interview.
The thing is, if your resume says you graduated with a BSc in 1992, it's pretty obvious you were born around 1970.
It's not what you look like that's the problem. Anywhere discriminating against older people almost certainly has an unwritten company code of "you have to devote yourself to the job, be single and available to work weekends or nights when we say so". Older people are (a) more likely to have family and other important outside interests and (b) won't put up with the same deluded shit that wannabe hotshots will, as they've seen it all before.
Good point. That's why my graduation date is not on my resume.;-)
As a resident of the Boston, MA area I can say this might not help. In my experience, giving pedestrians right-of-way in all instances causes people to simply walk into traffic. I see it all the time. They just walk out expecting everyone to stop because they have the right-of-way. Just the other day some woman walked out onto a four lane divided highway, holding up her hand like a traffic cop!
Conversely I have seen drivers almost cause accidents by screeching to a halt to stop for a person who looks like they might possibly be considering the option of crossing the street. The problem seems to be that, behind the wheel or not, people aren't that bright.
I find it quite hilarious how pants-wetting terrified you are of Muslims. It's absurd. When you die, it will not be because of Muslims; liberal or not.
I interviewed with 2 companies last year that were very up front about my being mid-40's was a problem. In one company, 5 of the 7 people I talked to brought it up and a couple clearly had problems with it. The recruiter that flew me out congratulated me on putting up with it - what an asshat.
Over 40 in IT, hold on to the job you got because the next one won't hire anyone over 40.
I don't doubt the dynamic, but I'm surprised they would be so up front about engaging in illegal discrimination. Questions about your age are out-of-bounds AFAIK. Nevertheless I will be dying my hair for my next job interview.
*I* pay *YOU*. Your SALARY is how I show you your value. Beyond that it is *not my job* to coddle you and deal with your emotional problems. If you don't feel valued as a human being, that is YOUR problem.
If you want a job where your boss gives you a hug every day, that's fine. Go look for it, because you will not find it here.
LOL! Don't worry, with an attitude like yours I won't be applying for your open position.
that's communism. that's not what sanders stands for.
here is actually a range of economic systems in the world, thousands of them, of varying complexity. it's not just social darwinistic capitalism versus gulag and toilet paper lines communism. the problem is you're uneducated and you can only think in these ignorant simpleton cartoons. try looking at how the government of denmark, sweden, or norway works. or just canada. that's modern socialism. and they are richer, healthier, safer, freer, better educated, and happier than americans
american exceptionalism seems to be about thinking how you're better when everyone pities you. we do many things wrong, like our pathetic education funding and healthcare debacles, and we need to look to other countries who clearly do it better than us. but no: "america #1! drool, snort". american delusional derangement
You mean 65 years of American propaganda have somehow led us astray? Well, I just don't know what to think anymore!
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Don't confuse ignorance with acceptance.
Yes, exactly. I came here to post this. The issue is that people are short-sighted and have limited imagination. Everyone thinks this stuff is done to catch "bad guys". They don't consider themselves a possible target.
People are okay with their employer snooping on their Internet traffic at work. Would they be okay if information gathered during that snooping were a factor in their next performance review? I would hope not. But it's not framed that way and they don't look at it that way.
No one's discriminating by age, just by salary requirements. This is a natural consequence.
That and older people aren't willing to be driven like cattle.
in my country, my sexuality is a death sentence.
That's one thing the Muslims got right...
Is there anyone you don't hate?
I have zero to hide from anyone
Posting as AC. Irony?
So if you have zero to hide, you won't mind sending me your home address, bank details, and medical records?
Why did you leave off the second half of his post and then reply as though he hadn't written it? He said that even though he has nothing to hide he still values privacy. That implies that he would not give you his financial and medical information. And his AC post is not ironic, because again, he values privacy.
We can agree on the septum piercing. Looks cool on a bull, not so much on the face.
Why is anyone making a fuss over Hilaries private e-mail server. Gov't comms are a mess. and then there's GWB43.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Oh, I remember. I wasn't happy about that, just as I'm not happy about what Secretary Clinton did. Secretiveness and corruption are not limited to any one party.
The fact that this nonissue keeps getting airtime proves there is one.
Kevin McCarthy admitted it on national television. I'm not a huge fan of Hillary Clinton, but it is pretty clear that the Right wing has it in for her.
It's pretty common to see people with multiple piercings or stretched earlobes (called gauging).
Just as an FYI, these are never attractive. I'm down with whatever people want to do with their bodies, but I've never understood the appeal of gauges.
It depends on your definition of a sensitive IP address.
Well my IP address cries at the slightest thing, so yeah.
unless that company is trying to fuck everyone and everything.
I think every company operates like that, under the guise of "delivering shareholder value".
I'm sure there are companies without shareholders that also operate like that, but never to same extreme in my experience.
Yep, they don't have to deal with a bunch of otherwise disinterested parties shouting about their money.
Into space.
Wow, you guys have really been taken in by the US media's propaganda.
I live in the US and I have no clue what you're referring to. These are just idiots. The media here is bad but not this bad or in this way. The extreme right republicans would do this but most of the media is on the left.
At the risk of sounding smug, you aren't supposed to notice. The message management is subtle enough that it's hard to detect. I would recommend the film "Manufacturing Consent" and the "Century of the Self" documentary series. You might also read the book "Propaganda" by Edward Bernays. From Bernays' book:
The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
That's what I'm talking about. Bernays went on to revolutionize the fields of advertising and public relations. His methods work to influence the thoughts, opinions and attitudes of people without their knowledge. They really do work; power now relies on it. Look into it, if you're interested. I find it quite fascinating.
so, absolutely zero of those syrian 'refugees' are isis then eh?
How could I, or you, have any idea who any Syrian refugees are? I am not in Syria or any European country. Is it possible? Sure, but so what? What are we afraid is going to happen?
However being a Christian conservative white male has been deem illegal in this country it seems like and blamed for every thing. I have 5 kids, an amazing wife and I'm disabled at 47 after three back surgeries have caused me to suffer constant pain and I'm no longer able to work. But I don't blame the doctors or anyone else and I don't demand special treatment. That is part of what being a real conservative is like.
Yes, White Christian males have it so hard in America. What is actually happening is people are finally pointing out what an advantage you have by virtue of being White, male and Christian. You interpret that as being blamed for everything. But people are pointing out that this country is based on White Christian male supremacy. It may not look that way from your perspective, but a fish doesn't know it's swimming in water. It's hard to recognize a system from within the system.
But then again that should have been obvious to everyone long ago. Shame too many people think the government is some sort of magic purse.
There was a TED talk not long ago, given by Jonathan Haidt, highlighting his research into the liberal vs the conservative mind. The findings was quite interesting and go some way towards explaining the motivations behind liberal and conservative social policy preferences. Basically, he identifies five cross-cultral foundations of morality:
A balance of all five was found to be a necessary condition for what many people would consider to be a good society. Now here is where it gets interesting. People who characterize themselves as conservative tend to base their moral compass on a combination of all five values. Some valued more than others but all of them at least considered. However, people who characterize themselves as liberal tend to value the first three characteristics quite highly, but authority/respect and purity/sanctity little or not at all. This comports well with liberal policy preferences and social movements in recent memory which have sought to deliver results quickly, but without much interest in conserving existing social structures or regard to existing authorities. Anyone else remember "Question Authority"?
Is there a citation for "People who characterize themselves as conservative tend to base their moral compass on a combination of all five values. Some valued more than others but all of them at least considered. However, people who characterize themselves as liberal tend to value the first three characteristics quite highly, but authority/respect and purity/sanctity little or not at all"? Sorry, I can't watch the TED talk at work. But I'm wondering where this information comes from.
In my experience those who identify as Conservative place an inordinate value on tribalism, authority and purity. We certainly see that in the Tea Party movement, which seems to be constantly dissatisfied with office holders being not sufficiently Conservative. They only seem to apply the first two values, care and fairness, within the context of the tribe; i.e. those outside of the tribe are not deemed worthy of care or fairness. We see this in jingoistic foreign policy attitudes and dividing society into "makers" and "takers". We also see it in the persistent racism coming from some corners of the political Right. Basically Black people are not-White (outside the tribe) which takes primacy over their being Americans (inside the tribe). So I'm curious as to where from the idea comes that Conservatives consider all five aspects of morality whereas Liberals only consider three. It doesn't really look that way from my perspective, as someone who identifies as neither Liberal nor Conservative.
Cute. "KKKorporations sit there in their... in their KKKorporation buildings, and... and, and see, they're all KKKorporation-y... and they make money."
Nice try switching the conversation to "corporations", but the truth is, most Americans now receive government benefits of some kind. You and your kind may think, this is marvellous, but the situation does not benefit the country — the primary beneficiaries are the vast body of government employees paid for confiscating the monies (the IRS) and handing some of it out...
It's my government, why shouldn't I benefit? But regardless, benefits are not paid to people out of tax revenue. The US government can print its own money, so it can spend without taxing or borrowing. Finance doesn't work the same for a country that has sovereign currency. We could literally pay off the debt tomorrow if we wanted to. It would have other effects and implications, but it could be done. The national debt and spending are not usually talked about like this. But one's home budget, or even a corporate balance sheet, has nothing to do with how the Federal Government's finances work.
We should maybe aspire to something greater than a 3000 year old model?
Sadly, most people think the big government they keep voting for is there to help them, not to help those who buy the politicians they vote for. With enemies like the left, the 1% don't need friends.
It's not Left or Right. It's money or no money. The Left/Right paradigm is used to distract from class warfare being waged by the .1%.
The European union will be isis by the time they are done.
Looking at some of the appeasers here it wouldn't surprise me
Wow, you guys have really been taken in by the US media's propaganda. They want you to be afraid. A frightened populace is a controllable populace.
Do you really not see how the fear of Muslim terrorists has been used to curtail your freedoms and tighten control of the authorities? We now have the NSA and who knows who else spying on everyone, the FBI looking at what you read, border checkpoints miles from any border and police using evidence collected in secret, all in the name of protecting us from terrorists.
Terrorists use violence to put fear into a population. Well who is really putting fear into our population? The media and the government spokespeople who feed them information. They want you to be afraid so you'll support their wars (that they lie to us about) and their restrictive policies at home, and keep watching their news channels. Don't fall for it.
Nevertheless I will be dying my hair for my next job interview.
The thing is, if your resume says you graduated with a BSc in 1992, it's pretty obvious you were born around 1970.
It's not what you look like that's the problem. Anywhere discriminating against older people almost certainly has an unwritten company code of "you have to devote yourself to the job, be single and available to work weekends or nights when we say so". Older people are (a) more likely to have family and other important outside interests and (b) won't put up with the same deluded shit that wannabe hotshots will, as they've seen it all before.
Good point. That's why my graduation date is not on my resume. ;-)
As a resident of the Boston, MA area I can say this might not help. In my experience, giving pedestrians right-of-way in all instances causes people to simply walk into traffic. I see it all the time. They just walk out expecting everyone to stop because they have the right-of-way. Just the other day some woman walked out onto a four lane divided highway, holding up her hand like a traffic cop!
Conversely I have seen drivers almost cause accidents by screeching to a halt to stop for a person who looks like they might possibly be considering the option of crossing the street. The problem seems to be that, behind the wheel or not, people aren't that bright.
Liberals will fly!
When the muslims throw them off roof tops.
I find it quite hilarious how pants-wetting terrified you are of Muslims. It's absurd. When you die, it will not be because of Muslims; liberal or not.
I interviewed with 2 companies last year that were very up front about my being mid-40's was a problem. In one company, 5 of the 7 people I talked to brought it up and a couple clearly had problems with it. The recruiter that flew me out congratulated me on putting up with it - what an asshat.
Over 40 in IT, hold on to the job you got because the next one won't hire anyone over 40.
I don't doubt the dynamic, but I'm surprised they would be so up front about engaging in illegal discrimination. Questions about your age are out-of-bounds AFAIK. Nevertheless I will be dying my hair for my next job interview.
*I* pay *YOU*. Your SALARY is how I show you your value. Beyond that it is *not my job* to coddle you and deal with your emotional problems. If you don't feel valued as a human being, that is YOUR problem.
If you want a job where your boss gives you a hug every day, that's fine. Go look for it, because you will not find it here.
LOL! Don't worry, with an attitude like yours I won't be applying for your open position.
that's communism. that's not what sanders stands for.
here is actually a range of economic systems in the world, thousands of them, of varying complexity. it's not just social darwinistic capitalism versus gulag and toilet paper lines communism. the problem is you're uneducated and you can only think in these ignorant simpleton cartoons. try looking at how the government of denmark, sweden, or norway works. or just canada. that's modern socialism. and they are richer, healthier, safer, freer, better educated, and happier than americans
american exceptionalism seems to be about thinking how you're better when everyone pities you. we do many things wrong, like our pathetic education funding and healthcare debacles, and we need to look to other countries who clearly do it better than us. but no: "america #1! drool, snort". american delusional derangement
You mean 65 years of American propaganda have somehow led us astray? Well, I just don't know what to think anymore!
Free stuff for everyone!
Thanks for confirming you haven't been paying attention.