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Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance (dailydot.com)
Researchers from BYU recently took a survey of internet users (PDF), mostly from the U.S., to determine how they balanced opinions of security and privacy. They found, perhaps surprisingly, that over 90% of users are fine with somebody snooping their encrypted traffic, so long as they were informed of the snooping. Most of them also supported legislation requiring notification and/or consent. "Most respondents also agreed that employers should be able to monitor the encrypted Internet connections of employees even without notification or consent, especially when an employee used a company computer. There was less agreement when it came to employees using personal devices; approximately a third of respondents opposed surveillance in that case."
That said, "Despite accepting surveillance in a number of situations, 60 percent of respondents said that they would react negatively if they discovered that a network they currently use employed TLS proxies." The study also found 4.5% of participants were "jaded" toward the state of privacy and security on the internet, feeling that their traffic is already monitored, and that the government would circumvent whatever technologies we put in place to protect it. The researchers say this group "once cared about these issues but has lost all hope and has largely given up on ever achieving a secure world."
That said, "Despite accepting surveillance in a number of situations, 60 percent of respondents said that they would react negatively if they discovered that a network they currently use employed TLS proxies." The study also found 4.5% of participants were "jaded" toward the state of privacy and security on the internet, feeling that their traffic is already monitored, and that the government would circumvent whatever technologies we put in place to protect it. The researchers say this group "once cared about these issues but has lost all hope and has largely given up on ever achieving a secure world."
Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance
... all pretense.
Offer them a free webcam and $1.99/minute and they'll drop
Pretending this is my office full of bitter coworkers..
Hitler also got to power because most people were "fine with it."
With all the mass shootings having an email peeked at is the least of our worries. - Benjamin Franklin
Don't confuse ignorance with acceptance.
If you can snoop it, it's not encrypted - we need unsnoopable encryption.
and land of the sheep.
So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?
Essentially your liberty and freedom have been traded away to allow your government to watch everything you do as long as they pretend to be keeping you safe?
In 30 years we've gone from Americans making "papers please, comrade" jokes to fully embracing being constantly monitored for their own protection.
That's pretty damned pathetic.
Land of the free, home of the brave ... not so much.
Lost at C:>. Found at C.
They should have stuck to very very simple questions if they were talking to a low information survey pool.
Questions like:
Do you want the government reading everyone's email?
Do you mind if corporations know your every activity on the internet?
Avoid the technical crap. Just keep it very very simple.
*drops mic and walks*
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
I work in network security, but I'm also highly sensitive to snooping and privacy issues. If you own it, you should be able to see the traffic. If you own the home or business network and home or business computer, then you should be able to see what is going on within that network and computer regardless of who is using it. I do need to draw a huge distinction between a privately owned systems and networks versus systems that qualify as service or carrier networks. If you sell or re-sell bandwidth then you should NOT have ability to view that traffic. On a similar note, encryption should be able to be used against the owner of devices. All encrypted traffic generated from apps/services on a device should be viewable clear-text by the owner of the device. Too often nowadays, encryption is used to the detriment of owners. Same goes for computer code. i.e. the Volkswagen scandel. Owners should have the option to see and review everything that occurs in their devices. That (transparency) is the *** ONLY *** way that companies will ever stop doing what they do.
Digital is, by definition, imperfect. Analog is the way to go.
You know what YOU ALL are: you are cows. Cows say mooo. Mooooo mooo! Mooo cows moo. Mooo say the cows. YOU SURVEILLED COWS!!?
Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance
Once the NSA start impersonating people on a personal level or actively disrupting communications between their friends, you can expect that attitude to change.
The majority seemed to be generally opposed to the government using them, but very open to private organizations using them. The idea being that if you are on your employer's machine on their network, you have no privacy rights that supercede the employer's interests in your use of their property, which is a view that probably would have been acceptable in 1776. In fact, the very notion that an employee can do private work while on the employer's dime is a fairly modern concept.
Statistics and lies.
Had to be worded funny to get those stats. Frame the same question slightly differently and I'm sure that number could have been on the other end of the scale. Nobody likes having their private lives looked at. That's why it's called private.
(1) Most people don't understand the full ramifications of breaking encryption. If they knew the 'snoopers' could impersonate them, steal their accounts, etc, they likely would have responded differently.
(2) In no situation was the majority of respondents in favor of 'snooping' without notification
(3) Only in workplaces, schools and libraries were the majority willing to accept 'snooping' without consent (but with notification).
(4) The majority were against government surveillance, even with notification and consent.
IMHO, most things should be legal, with appropriate notification and informed consent of those who might be negatively affected.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Hello.
Are you a cow?
Do you say moo?
I'm very sure you are one.
As Ben Franklin said, "Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither." Between gun control, internet privacy and everything else, it's just plain sad.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
We are all cows. We all say moo. MOOOOO!
Say no more.
My employer owns my work machine and supplies the network it's connected to. I accept that the employer's right to monitor his own equipment and network.
However, that's a FAR cry from accepting internet surveillance. In fact, I never attach any of my personal devices to my employer's network precisely because I do not accept the surveillance of my own equipment.
So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?
In your lifetime? Were you born in 1775? Are you the ghost of Patrick Henry?
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
Most, non-technical people simply do not understand the implications of using those 'reward cards' linked to credit cards, posting your entire life on facebook, allowing your phone to know your location 24/7, letting your car manufacturer sell you all those flatscreen gadgets, etc...
Just sayin'
The government and the media are orchestrating the largest theft of personal liberty ever conceived by a ruling class.
The real reasons against mass surveillance with minimal secret oversight have seldom if ever been pointed out to or thought about by your average American.
I've talked to many family, friends, co-workers, and acquaintances and they all say the same thing in general - "I'm not that interesting so it really dosent matter." Neither am I but while true it's far from the problem. The problem is while mass surveillance has always existed, it so pervasive, massive, and easily accessable from databases that it is a game changer for doctoring the entire political and financial climate of the United States.
They have incriminating material on every last CEO, judge, congressman, president, senator, and even on down to the mayor of the random city of your choice. They can, and I have no doubt are already implementing, blackmailing, schemeing and conspiracies against the public. Take a look at the reaction of the whole European MP data collection.
But it goes beyond that. Knowing absolutely the political preferences alone is bad, far worse than the intrusive data collection ubiquitous today in both parties. In fact without serious and public oversight this type of system is a far bigger threat to American (and every country with any freedoms left) democracy than any terrorist group ever could be.
Statistically invalid. Survey was conducted among people who make theit living by completing $1 surveys.
The 20th century saw a fairly steady erosion of Liberty as America faced two world wars, several major regional wars, the red scare, the threat of nuclear war and civil rights and anti-war movements of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. New technology has extended the reach of government surveillance at every turn. And the growth of both real fears and ungrounded paranoia have convinced those who were already inclined to use those tools against their own countrymen. There have always been snoops, the real threat is when laws are changed to undermine the constitution. After every period of excess the constitution was the one thing that society and the courts could turn to to justify pulling back the reigns on unbridled surveillance.
Only recently when I visited the American history museum in Washington, D.C. did I learn there is a question mark, and not a period, at the end of the verses of the Star Spangled banner. All my life in the USA I just assumed the lyrics, of which I did not think about in detail, were making a statement of fact that this was the land of the free and the home of the brave.
I feel very late to the party. :-/
People are too scared. You all know what happens when you assert your right and your skin is too dark. Gitmo has expanded, you can be tried without due process. You can be charged with blanket non-disclosure orders preventing you from seeking full legal representation. Damn right no one will stand up for themselves.
The oligarchs control the media, just look how quickly the occupy movement was discredited. Go read London's The Iron Heel if you want to see where the US, and the rest of the West are heading.
Would you be content if your government behaved like the East German government did with the Stasi enforcing national security?
We've got at least a weekly "feel bad because you're male and you work in the computer field" article, and we mostly flame those, but we've come to expect them.
Now we're getting the opinion poll to manipulate opinion.
I miss the real / old Slashdot that exposed shit like this instead of propagating it.
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So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?
Essentially your liberty and freedom have been traded away to allow your government to watch everything you do as long as they pretend to be keeping you safe?
Don't be naive. People traded away their liberty and freedom in order to demand free webmail, cheap cell phones and free apps.
The reasons are much more pathetic than you think they are. No one uses Gmail because they think it will keep them safe from terrorists.
Users are largely unaware that some corporations inspect their employee's encrypted traffic to alter malware and viruses, prevent the leak of intellectual property, and block harmful websites.
Really? Are those "users" employed? Every place I've worked made it quite clear that they monitored all network traffic.
User opinions toward TLS proxies are nuanced. Many express concerns about privacy and identity theft from hackers (75.8%) or surveillance by the government (70.9%). Yet there is broad, general acceptance of TLS proxies when used by employers, schools, etc (71.7%).
No surprise there. Employers and schools own the network, they own the traffic. I am surprised that 25-30% are not concerned about surveillance outside of those environments, but it's not clear to me that the people being paid $1 to take the survey were Americans or adults.
So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?
Only if you're like 240 years old. Yes, yes I know all about what you did in WWII but it was mostly liberating and not so much dying, you might get a few points for the 1860s but outside of a few war veterans that have served abroad the average American hasn't really had to make that choice in ages. There might have been some high stakes poker played in the 1960s, but that was all done by the politicians. Having heard a bit from the occupation and resistance during the Nazi occupation here in Norway it's not that easy to put your money where your mouth is when the enemy is all around you. It's one thing to have a battle line, enemies in front, people you want to protect in the back and you choose to be in harm's way. Random, innocent people being killed just because they were at the wrong time at the wrong place is a lot harder to swallow. Except for Jesus-freaks running out of cheeks to turn to, the alternatives end up being either more surveilance or retaliation. And retaliation leads to collateral damage leading to more terrorists and even further escalation, if you run out of good solutions the poor ones start looking quite okay.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
You guys have become wimps! What happened to the greatest generation children & grand-children? You are ready & deserve a dictatorship!!!
Fight God damn it!
TIL that gstoddart is Bob Dole.
"Of the candidates currently running for President, most lived through Vietnam and the Cold War. A few even lived through the Second World War and the Great Depression. But only one candidate lived through the Civil War, the Declaration of Independence, and Columbus’ Discovery of the New World. Elect Bob Dole. He’s one thousand years old."
-- David Letterman
Very Dumb Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance.
FTFY
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Yes, the good old USA that brought us phone wiretapping, Comstock laws, and the Espionage act, immorality fears and the 'Production Code', the yellow peril and internment camps, red scares, McCarthyism and global proxy wars, prohibition, the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover, the demonization of marijuana and psychedelics, the war on drugs, and on, and on... and don't get me started on slavery and civil rights.
From the Salem witch trials forward America has been famous for getting itself in a tizzy over imagined moral threats, then following through with the most draconian of knee-jerk responses.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
If they could have predicted this poll, they probably would have just said "fuck it", packed up, and gone home, instead of fighting for independence from England.
Well, you can have all the RSA you want implemented. Truth is you're only going to get 99% secure, given it only takes a few minutes to undo all traditional security with a quantum processor. (Thanks Peter Shor)
Aside from the lack of available technology to properly secure everyday communications, we have horribly implemented ones like cellphone traffic. It is pretty straightforward to fake a tower, (even plop a fake tower on a drone) and capture phone traffic, send fake sms, so on and so forth.
What can most people do about it all? They can purchase a quantum computer with a few qubits and only communicate with servers secured in the same manner. This doesn't even begin to open the can of worms of compromised hardware from X nation. Every manufacturing nation builds some kind of backdoor (because why not, it's too tempting) in their products they put out to the market, for other people to use and be official bot nodes.
Apathy helps, because all one can do is wait for new tools that are actually secure and enjoy privacy until a 3 letter agency makes child porn and terrorists an excuse to once again intercept all that traffic and implement new backdoors.
Surprising Willingness? No, it's just that there is nothing the average person can do about it.
Mostly just 3rd wave feminists that want to shame people who disagree with them.
In other related news, most Americans still are reluctant to sharing photos of their genitalia with the Government ; many of them, adamantly so.
Maybe we deserve this world ?
Here are the bullet point findings from the actual study:
User opinions toward TLS proxies are nuanced. Many
express concerns about privacy and identity theft from
hackers (75.8%) or surveillance by the government
(70.9%). Yet there is broad, general acceptance of TLS
proxies when used by employers, schools, etc (71.7%).
[Recognizing, no doubt, that organizations that own their networks should be able to operate them as they see fit]
Most participants indicated support for inspection of
encrypted trac as long as they were rst notied of it
(90.7%). Likewise, participants indicated strong sup-
port for legislation requiring notication or consent
(83.2%).
[The 90.7% makes me a little suspicious of the wording the study used. I suspect if the questions dealt with a specific scenario like "Would you oppose or favor the use of a TLS proxy to allow your ISP to capture and read the network traffic (including passwords) between your computer and your financial institution's online banking website?", the acceptance percentage would be drastically lower.]
When asked about specic situations on the second
survey, such as when accessing the Internet at work,
a school, a cafe, or at home, support for TLS prox-
ies ranges from 65% to 90% of participants. This
includes those who accept it, those who desire noti-
cation, and those who desire both notication and
consent. Support for TLS proxies without notication
or consent is strongest at elementary schools (45.9%)
and at businesses when employees are using company-
provided computers (47.9%). [Both minority opinions] In nearly all the sce-
narios we posed, only a small minority of participants
indicate that using TLS proxies is never acceptable.
The exception is when the government is conducting
surveillance, in which case 47.5% say that this is never
acceptable.
We identify personas based on participants’ responses
regarding TLS proxies. Three personas have some
similarity to the Westin categories [21, 13]: the prag-
matic majority (76.5%), the privacy fundamentalist
(17.0%), and the unconcerned (1%). Interestingly, a
fourth category, the jaded persona (5%) opposes prox-
ies but believes there is nothing they can do to stop
the practice.
[I would lump the "jaded persona" in with the "privacy fundamentalist" group since its likely they're people who value privacy but are cynical that significant privacy can be achieved nowdays. This raises the percentage to 22%, which again means the 90% acceptance figure is bs.]
Many users would have a negative opinion toward the
owner of a network that used a TLS proxy (60.8%),
though for some (34.2%) it would depend on who the
owner was and how they were using the technology.
Some would change their behavior on the network, ei-
ther discontinuing to use it (17.2%) or changing which
sites they visited (6%). Though these latter numbers
are somewhat low, these are self-reported through an
open response question, so they are likely conservative.
Read the actual study for yourself and don't rely on the media's misleading reporting of the study. The media always slant's a story to sell a narrative. Assuming the respondents are even aware of what TLS proxies are, the figure of 90% acceptance of them is not correlated with acceptance of "internet surveillance" Indeed, according to the study, 47.5% say that government use of TLS proxies for surveillance is "never acceptable." TFA is rubbish and, frankly, the study is not that great either. I certainly wouldn't say its definitive by any stretch.
The price for souls on the Souls Future Exchange (SFX) has hit a new low. The devil is collecting more souls than he knows what to do with. Price on souls continues to plummet. Two University of Chicago economists claim their models show the price rebounding as temperature in hell approaches 0C.
O say does that surveillance camera yet gaze,
O'er the land of police,
And the home of the 'fraid.
Thanks to the War on Drugs, it's easier to buy meth than it is to buy cold medicine!
You're right. For a lot of people, the benefits outweigh the costs. Start showing people that their privacy has value and maybe the trend will be reversed.
What makes you think that NSA has NOT backdoored the survey and manipulated the results?
Tinfoil hat OFF
That is because most people are quite sensible. The simple fact is all this stuff is already recorded, the phone company knows who you called, the Web site knows you visited and the email hosts knows you sent the email. Most people are relying on secure through obscurity and they know it full well. Even if the government doesn't have your records, the vendor always does and everyone knows full well they would have to turn it over to the government if forced. What people really want to know is the rules of the road and what the government is up to and what they are doing with it, just like they want to know what the business is up to and what they business will do with their data.
This study needs to be studied.
"if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"
"If you have no reason to suspect me then you have no reason to spy on me"
...but the wording of the question is suspect. Here's an example -
23. Given a choice, would you prefer:
a) to be crushed by an elephant;
b) fall 100 floors down an elevator shaft; or
c) have the government spy on you while you surf the web?
Obviously, a) is suspect since it wasn't specified if it would be
an African or India Elephant.
PROPAGANDA ALERT
>> There was less agreement when it came to employees using personal devices; approximately a third of respondents opposed surveillance in that case."
So wait.... 2/3 of all Americans believe your employer should have full access to whatever you do with your personal devices and life? So much for the USA being the self-proclaimed "Land of the free". WTF are you guys smoking ?
"I pledge allegiance to the Corporations of the United States, and to the Republic which they freely rape.
One Nation brainwashed and addled to believe in a "God," divided by ignorance and wealth, with Liberty and Justice only for the well-off."
---
Well, America, isn't this what you wanted? Free stuff for everyone? Have the big corporations supply your every need, have the Big Bad Federal Government supply your every protection?
You got it. Now enjoy it. Gooooood luck getting rid of it!
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
Another garbage result using garbage data. 90%? Not a chance. More attempts to convince those of us with a brain that this is the new normal.
Land of the surveilled, home of the cowards.
Either the government is trying to convince people that surveillance is OK by having an academic institution claim (falsely) that we're already OK with it, or over 90% of people just don't understand the ramifications of their supposedly secure traffic being monitored/surveilled; it's a coin-flip which one it really is.
MEMO TO GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE ASSHOLES: Get the fuck out of my business! You're TRAITORS to this country; YOU are the terrorists now, fuck the fuck off!
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
"They found, perhaps surprisingly, that over 90% of users are fine with somebody snooping their encrypted traffic, so long as they were informed of the snooping."
Of course they are; they will just watch what they say. The point of spying on someone is to catch them saying something they are not supposed to say. I am not saying I agree with snooping, just that telling someone "hey, we are watching your data" basically makes the activity pointless.
How did trading freedom get them anything that you listed? Granted, the government does have their hands in a small number of cell phones owned by private citizens but the rest is hyperbole.
Well... ever since slashdot was bought out, a lot of the articles on this site have either been propaganda or focused on marketing a product but make it seem like an informative tech article... This obvious propaganda blast has pushed me beyond my limits... bye slashdot
Hell No!
You must understand that for many Americans, both in the past and now in our current time, that phrase was a touchstone of truth, to be honored. Just because it was spoken over two hundred years ago doesn't take away from its importance to American culture and history.
If you're not American I can understand your confusion.
If you are American, perhaps you need to read up on American history and politics, and lessen your ignorance.
We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
Never trust a survey where they do not disclose the exact questions being asked of the participants, whether it supports your belief or discredits it. What is asked is often as important as who is being asked (the demographics of the questioner is important too). All of these factors can and have been manipulated by the survey-takers in order to reach a desired conclusion (and sometimes it is not even being done purposefully).
In this case, it sounds like the questions of the survey (there is no full list but a few hints scattered throughout the PDF) were intentionally difficult for people to understand unless they had a grounding in the topic - computers, encryption, networking and security - being discussed. People tend to turn off their brain when confronted with this level of complexity and assume that the authorities who do understand this sort of thing have our best interests at heart (it seems built into the human psyche). Likely had the questions been more grounded - e.g., "do you think the government should be able to read any and all of your private mails, be it electronic or paper?" the results would have been different.
So in my lifetime America has gone from "give me liberty or give me death" to a bunch of scared sheep repeating "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear"?
And the real problem with that latter statement is quite simple: If you have nothing to hide, but are politically dissident, you have to fear for your life even in 1st world "free speech" countries. The mistake the common person makes is twofold: 0. They are not politically active (esp. not Politically Incorrectly). 1. They don't realize how ruthless their country can be, esp. when it is being infiltrated by agents from other countries without your nation's best interest in mind.
Someone attempting to overthrow your country can infiltrate the state's security apparatus and use it against you. The same goes for spying on work email / internet traffic: Someone trying to get you fired can simply pay off an IT guy to plants false evidence against you, and because "what are the chances of that happening" is the first response, it is very effective. This is also a method by which other nation states infiltrate your companies, gain power, and lobby for their own kind.
Considering that the nation state knows that NSA is the largest single point of failure from a security perspective, and thus the greatest threat to national security for the politically active person (esp. those aligned strongly to the beliefs of their own government), it is obvious that the welfare of the citizens is not what is meant by "National Security". "Workplace Security" has the same meaning as "National Security", in that it is to protect the establishment from YOU, not you from badguys.
The answer is to show them the security apparatus by getting more people politically active. However, you need to show them the true history of their country, not the propaganda they've been fed their whole lives. Once you've done that, suddenly those people are considered "the greatest threat to national security". No, I'm not even kidding.
Isn't the fact that they keep voting for candidates tat support the Patriot Act just a forgone conclusion that this is how the American population tend to be with their privacy?
Just add "We'll remove your guns if you accept this ULA"
An entire fucking nation of Lenin's 'Useful Idiots'. Thanks for the police state, you pack of knuckle-dragging thought-free troglodytes and Helicopter Parents insisting their precious snowflakes be safely ensconced in a damned panopticon
the americans who don't want surveillance wouldn't take the time to tell strangers their personal beliefs... or they would choose to lie to skew the results.
you're all idiots.
slashdot = stagnated
Ahh yes, the Europeans, the same ones that are to this day still fighting over things like borders and bailouts for failed member
states.
What else can you teach us about successful states?
How to have a war on your continent at least once a generation? Lets see you have Ukraine, and then before that Bosnia, and then before that the cold war (I think we can count this one), and before that WW2, and then before that WW1, and then before that...
Get over yourself.
I have a friend who refers to the U.S. population as "Sheeple."
I prefer the term "Chump Nation"
... so how exactly is this surprising?
I mean they know we know they're watching our confidential survey responses - they must, right?
The average user knows they wouldn't ever be able to figure out if their being watched and instead assumes they are, avoiding putting something out they don't want others to know. Systems people ought to implicitly accept this too. We may be better at stopping some things but not all things.. A lot of smart people have been caught thinking they did.
byu... a mormon institution... in (perhaps the most-) republican state... where the government has a huge data center specifically for this type of data.
we wouldnt have them if you merkins didnt keep starting them and you woudlnt start them if you fought a few of the ones you did start on your own soil.
9\11 the day america soiled itself in fear and ran to hide under the bed!
Yes, the good old USA that brought us phone wiretapping,
And the telephone in the first place (albeit debatable) .
Comstock laws,
Yes, it's a good thing the Catholic church didn't have such things in Europe prior to the existence of America.. The USA invented morality laws. And just look how liberal the middle east is about such things.
and the Espionage act,
Yup, no other country has had anything similar before or since, right?
immorality fears and the 'Production Code',
It's a good thing no other countries use a rating system on films and such now. I guess China and Russia owe the US a great debt for showing them the light when it comes to censorship. That's why they're such free, liberal places now. Just look at how well the LGBT movement is thriving outside of first world countries.
the yellow peril and internment camps,
That was one hell of an embarrassment, That must be where Europe came up with the idea for the Great Gypsy Roundup.
red scares, McCarthyism and global proxy wars, prohibition, the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover, the demonization of marijuana and psychedelics, the war on drugs, and on, and on...
Maoism, Nazism, Genocide in Darfur, KGB, blah, blah, blah.
and don't get me started on slavery and civil rights.
Wait, you're claiming the USA brought slavery to the world too?
From the Salem witch trials forward
First witch trial was in the 14th century in Ireland, by the way.
America has been famous for getting itself in a tizzy over imagined moral threats, then following through with the most draconian of knee-jerk responses.
Yes, that god that America is the only country on the entire planet that does this. Ethnic groups of humans outside of America have never blamed other for their ills.
The thing is, they are going to spy on you. It doesn't matter if you want it or not, if they admit it or not, if it's illegal or not. They can't not do it. It's who and what they are. If they can then they will. I think we need to make it so it's inadmissible in court without a warrant and then they can spy away. If they catch someone smuggling nukes into Boston that's probably never going to court anyway. As far as less catastrophic stuff they wont be able to use it.
Actually, what I'm concealing provides quite a bit more assurance than banalities ever will.
I was not contrasting the USA with anything except its own romanticized past.
How can I believe you when you tell me what I don't want to hear?
Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance
Uh, who, exactly, is surprised at this late date?
-- sudon't
Air-ride Equipped
If they sent the survey out the survey most likely was done by Mormons who would generally be for such a thing. They are an LDS Church owned school. I would really take the sources of this study with a fine grain of salt. Also consider that they also surveyed India in the study (in the paper). People were compensated for the survey as well. They also surveyed around 2.2k people total over two days of the survey. Since it was a VERY limited survey, it is easy to game the results toward what they wanted, as all they had to do is tell the overwhelming amount of conservatives who attend the school to join the survey. Notably absent from the study is HOW they advertised said study. That by itself should be subject to review. And considering the very small sampling of people in the study vs actual internet users in the world, this is like a fly's piss worth of data compared to a real study on it.
...didn't take the survey. Y'know, cause they care about their privacy to the point they don't take stupid internet surveys asking all kinds of invasive questions about their habits and beliefs, and letting "researchers" build a profile of them to put into those databases.
Call me paranoid if you like, but if you aren't paranoid today, you're crazy.
Oh we have plenty of freedoms. Privacy just isn't one of them.
We could vote these jerkoffs out, but the problem is, others will take their place, and this kind of shit will get pushed through no matter what.
Users fine with snooping says snooping apparatus :)
No demographic info? No pertinent details about the experiment itself? Studies like that are pretty much useless. Probably funded by surveillance groups.
and most americans are authoritarian retards who still believe in christianity. big surprise that they hold other toxic beliefs too.
fuck off apk
No. What you are experience is the slow death of idealism as it is replaced by knowledge. When you were younger you probably broke the world into you peer group (other naive kids, people you selected to hang out with online), adults you respected (because they showed characteristics you respected) and other idiots you assumed were in the minority. Now you realise that the idiots are in the ascendancy, and that the informed and principled are a minority.
The frog was put in the pot long before you were born. The temperature of the water may have increased slightly in your lifespan is all.
Yes, the folks that bomb themselves into rubble every few generations knows better than the people they ask to pay for cleanup. Somehow, I don't think that's a good example of what to follow. Your faux exceptionalism and nationalism is cute, however undeserved.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Wire cutters. That's your only hope.
So you're beating up strawmen?
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
Millions of trolls on the web doing every angle. There was No 'jew holocaust'. The only holocaust was the jew 'allies' murder of Germans at Dresden. Only 280k people died in the Labor camps and that was from natural causes. Their fraud 'war two' jews took over europe using 'usa' scum 'troops' and 'tax' dupes who paid for it all. The same time ameriscums paying for and killing millions of their nordic white brothers and sisters in Germany over jew Lies, the jew bolshiveks began their torture and slaughter of over 100 million nordic white russian, poles and ukraines, also paid for by ameriscums. The jew fraud 'govt', fraud 'tax', fraud 'federal reserve', fraud 'wars' fraud 'media' fraud everything else by the mass scheming jew tribe has been swallowed by idiot masses except for the few.
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Auschwitz.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Hopie_ike.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/810dresden_primary.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/81murder_incorporated.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Coure_d_Arlene.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/False_Flags_summary.htm
This bogus 'americans show willing to accept' bs article is nothing but jew media making bogus claims and fake polls as always. Of course 'americans' is now a mass of scum new 'immigrants' brought in by jews to destroy us, because they knew immigrant idiots would 'go along' and 'vote' for more jew 'govt' and be 'willing' for whatever privacy reaming too stupid to see they're being set up for slaughter with the rest of us.
http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-USA.php
Now, try telling the over 100 million immigrants they swarmed in just the last ten years that government / jews did 911 see how far you get. Idiots swallowed 'legal immigration good' bs jew 'media' LIES claiming it's been only one million visas a years when the jews have been flooding in over 6 Million every year who don't give a sht about you their allegience is to the phony jew 'govt' that hands them your lands and future and You LET them.
Know who owns you. - thezog.info - caveats, most comments of main page are jew trolls, mikrosht page covers up gates, obvious jew, but see all pages at right, also top of main page 'required reading' page, bottom half of list copy articles from vnn. don't waste time at vnn, also run by jews. just see pages. Jews are a Race - http://web.archive.org/web/20100825152627/http://jewishfaces.com/banking.html -see all pages at top. holo fraud - https://archive.org/details/TheLeuchterReport - ingore links 'more reading' bs, the psy ops dump on copy cat bs to keep dupes wasting time. Just see Leuchter.
http://jewishcrimenetworkdid911.blogspot.com/ - they kill and blame others. -holodomorinfo.com - see pages, don't waste time on videos, sites most'jew truther' sites run by them so you 'follow' and don't do anything to stop them. Now they're spraying you with nano chip chemtrails. Most all 'whites' in fake 'govt', 'media' these 'corporations are not nordic whites. Jews are a race. No one will save you from the tribe. Get off your ass. copy links, give to others -
There was no 'holocaust', jew trolls do the 'hitler' meme. Hitler was put in by jews to dupe the germans into a 'war' schemed by Jews for their takeover of Europe 'jews declare war on germany.
Scumbag jew front hitler threw the bogus fight at Dunkirk so the jew run 'allies' could begin the mass murder of Germans. More above in jew hitler post.
The system is jews. All of it. They've scammed over 200 billion dollars from their holocaust fraud plus all the other scam pay they get from their jew government.
People better figure it out. Quick. further up the post -bogus hitler jew meme, has much info and links. if it isn't showing, top of thread click show all comments button, slide bar over. for some reason certain posts don't show.
-Who were surveyed? I know zero people OK with any of it. (eg. Email. Who is ok with having strangers read their emails with the exception of work email at work by their employers?)
90% are ok with "'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance "
-Bullshit. From teens to grandmothers I know literally zero people ok with the entirety of their data being snooped. Not one person thinks even an ISP should read even your private emails. They are digital communications and the term email means electronic mail. Is it also cool for the post office to open and read your correspondence? How about 90% of people say it's acceptable for the Post Office to read your mails now. Really? So many stupid people. This bullshit story should have been overlooked by Slashdot. The author of the link in the summary Patrick Howell O'Neill appears to also be a writer for Salon. big fat gtfo.
-Cockamamie study reaks of social engineering. gtfo. I see comments here like ya ya you have to accept it yeah it's 2015 what are you living in the past? Ya ya you are a fool to expect privacy. Modded up too. Nah. Hollywood brainwash victims have internet access too, I realize.
A couple I do see spot on, like this one.
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8192807&cid=50759531
-Sure it's reasonable to have access to employee emails by that specific company if it is work related. Is it OK for Walmart staff to read Target staff's emails? Oh no? really? Isn't it all just one big ocean of free data for everybody? Everybody just share all data with everybody, right? Or were some people born with the right to packet sniff everybody else's PC's? But-but-but muh 90% chart?
-I see stupid people, again. Broad category in headline too... "Americans Show 'Surprising Willingness' To Accept Internet Surveillance". So categorically? Bull. Shit.
bullshit
what demographic are they using to determine that 90% of people are ok with this? I never received a survey.
This is similar to the "90% of people are ok with gun control" surveys.
They are usually conducted at Universities, or cities that border a University, and have a severely skewed result.
The fairly recent results within the State of New York in regard to the unConstitutional S.A.F.E. Act would seem to indicate that the 90% thing was incorrect (all but 6 or 7 counties in the entire State voted against it).
Likewise, I do not believe this survey was conducted in a truly random sampling.
Nobody cares. We have nothing to hide.
Their coffee budget must be through the roof.
I think we need to make it so it's inadmissible in court without a warrant and then they can spy away.
So we can have even more parallel construction happening than already does?
jew communism socialism, hitler was a jew, set trap for Germans using 'socialism'. There was No 'holocaust' of jews, the only holocaust was the burning alive of Germans at Dresden. Also, Hilter was not a hero he was a jew ringer.
see hidden posts. - click show all comments button - also slide bar over at top to see all posts. have to do both to see all posts. see 'jew hilter' posts. notice how certain posts are conveniently hidden unless you both slide the bar, and click show all comments
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Auschwitz.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Hopie_ike.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/810dresden_primary.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/81murder_incorporated.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Coure_d_Arlene.htm
http://67.225.133.110/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/False_Flags_summary.htm
Now they have lab virus to kill other races but their race isn't affected. newworldwar.org/chemical.htm - ignore notes at bottom, skip rest of site.
see other post
eff is a jew front same as all fake 'activist' groups. Fake. So is the way they hide posts. - have click show all comments button - and also slide bar over at top to see all posts. have to do Both to see all posts. notice what they hide.
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I do not accept the validity of this so called survey without validation. Who was polled, how many were polled, from what demographic? I cannot imagine that there would be an aware and educated heterogenous sample that would fall into line with any more government surveillance than there already exists. I am not surrounded by lemmings.