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Clinton Home Servers Had Ports Open (ap.org)
Jim Efaw writes: Hillary Clinton's home servers had more than just the e-mail ports open directly to the Internet. The Associated Press discovered, by using scanning results from 2012 "widely available online", that the clintonemail.com server also had the RDP port open; another machine on her network had the VNC port open, and another one had a web server open even though it didn't appear to be configured for a real site. Clinton previously said that her server featured "numerous safeguards," but hasn't explained what that means. Apparently, requiring a VPN wasn't one of them.
now claims the server was secured.
either of these claims disproves the other. You cannot have secured what does not exist.
Interesting how the debate has shifted away from the lies and denials in public of this, but into the content and construction.
It's like any of us being caught with a machine gun illegally in our possession but turning the debate away from the law we broke having it into whether or not it was loaded and what type of ammo, as if that made any difference.
Just pretend that Hillary is a Republican and that Bernie Sanders & Elizabeth Warren have already been coronated president!
It's OK to demonize Hillary now, since she's no longer a Democrat! You can even use all those sexist slurs from the previous articles about Carly Fiorina that would otherwise be censored by the SJWs as being toxic microaggressions! Hell, just call her Carly instead of Hillary if it makes you feel better!
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Did she at least encrypt communication to send/receive email?
When it comes to building, or using, or setting up software for consumer use, it just sucks. They often have a bidding contract and hand it out to whomever pays the least.
Hillary isn't a techie, she simply reiterates what she is told about things like this. All this shows is that politicians need additional training on the proper way to handle security and privacy. Clinton's mistake is she tried a "do it yourself" or "hire someone yourself" approach, which in some areas isn't a good idea unless you really know what you are doing.
...the point is her fundamental dishonesty, disregard for the rules that apply to 'little people', and flippant mendacity when it came to being confronted on the subject.
Of course, flagrant violation of security rules like this would get you or me thrown in prison.
As much as the Republican presidential contest is a clown car, the Democrats have perhaps an even more difficult choice: goofy or sleazy, pick one.
I did finally hear a good reason to vote for Trump, for once:
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-Styopa
I really hope that this isn't an apology for Hillary.
The worst part are all the relatively smart people who are excusing this, simply because she has a (D) after her name. All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Why is everyone focusing on security with this whole private email server? Sure, security was a problem but that's not why she made her own email server. It was made to bypass public records laws. By having their own email server they can retain or destroy whatever they want and fulfill records requests with whatever they deem fit. The IRS was their role model :-). It's about control, not security. Her and her administration should be tried for that first.
Real programmers use "copy con program.exe"
Clinton's mistake is she tried a "do it yourself" or "hire someone yourself" approach
Hillary's servers were not totally secure, but were they more or less secure than the State Dept's servers?
Is there anyone who cares about this issue that didn't already hate Hillary for other reasons?
Transparency.
Or you know, let the highly paid "techies" in the federal government handle her official classified emails instead of using her own.
It's the data was safer on her home, poorly managed server than on the official government ones anyhow.
(If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
You know, with just a scraper, little sign paint and a few minutes after hours, they could very quickly repurpose the current (7th?) Benghazi investigative committee into an Emailgate investigative committee.
After all, this issue is inexpressibly grave, not at all motivated by overt partisan hackery, and clearly requires laser-like attention until at least late next spring.
Probably early November, though. Depending on, y'know, some things entirely unrelated to Presidential elections.
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All this shows is that politicians need additional training on the proper way to handle security and privacy.
Hahah. Leave off the "to handle security and privacy" and you'll be half right.
In that they need LOTS and LOTS of training on ANY WAY to do ANY THING right.
I'm saying she did something stupid, not malicious. So, yes this is an apology, it was negligence, not gross negligence. You generally don't end up in jail for simple negligence.
I suspect this is being planned as we speak.
Now if we could also remove Trump from the running...
Clinton previously said that her server featured "numerous safeguards," but hasn't explained what that means.
Some of the numerous security technologies employed include "theater" and "through obscurity".
Is there anyone who cares about this issue that didn't already hate Hillary for other reasons?
Do such people actually exist, or was your question rhetorical?
I really hope that this isn't an apology for Hillary.
The worst part are all the relatively smart people who are excusing this, simply because she has a (D) after her name. All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
I seem to recall Governor Sarah Palin using her yahoo email account for official business and not ending up in jail
Much to the chagrin of Hillary.
:)
Nice to see their replacement for Bohner accidentally tell the truth; I bet there was a lot of shit hit the floor when that got out.
I can't wait for the next attack; I was hoping I could get a sound bite of McCarthy calling Hillary a communist, but I guess I won't get a chance now. :)
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If you worked for any big company, and set up your own email server to do company business . . . your testicles would be deep fried and hung up as pinatas. For most dorks in the US, they do not understand what setting up your own email server, of dubious security and audibility. For us IT professionals, Obama issuing another "Executive Administrative" decree that retroactively declares Hilary's email server as safe . . . well, that sounds and smells like shit to me . . .
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I really hope that this isn't an apology for Hillary.
If it's an apology, it would be for more than Hillary. Colin Powell also used a private e-mail for state-department business.
The worst part are all the relatively smart people who are excusing this, simply because she has a (D) after her name.
Colin Powell does not have a (D) after his name.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
She did both, she hosted government communications on her private email and scrubbed the communications that she deemed damaging or not related.
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Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
Hillary tried to "do it herself" when it was against protocol to do it any way but through government channels. Let's not forget that part.
I looked at all the current presidential candidates websites to see how good their security/tech was:
https://bryanquigley.com/polit...
In summary:
Epic fail - Jim Gilmore, Bobby Jindal, George Pataki
IPv6 - Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio.
Complicated Setups - Clinton and Christie
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I don't hate Hillary Clinton, but with the "What, like with a cloth" statement and calling Indianapolis "India no place", I doubt she should be/have been an official in the government. She seems like she can't be bothered to learn a little bit about the world around her.
I thought maybe it was possible she might have had a good reason for the "What difference does it make" statement for the particular question she was asked, but these revelations make me wonder more about that statement as well.
Who cares if our government is systematically subverting public accountability measures and lying about it? All that matters is whether they're on team red or team blue. It's fine to do it if you're on the blue team. You know they always have our best interests at heart. Hillary would never sit on the board of a company like this one, right?
no but lying about it.....
I seriously doubt that any politician is likely to go to jail in the present political climate, short of a smoking gun in their hand standing in front of a bunch of dead elementary school kids, the other hand full of bribe money from foreign criminals, with the video uploaded onto Youtube. Why? Not because the system is rigged to protect the powerful (though in many ways it is - see and compare Petraeus and Snowden or Manning), but because the political environment has become so hyperpartisan, and there have been so many witchhunts or perceived witchhunts, that roughly 30-40% or more of the country is primed to assume that's exactly what any sort of allegations against a politician are.
It's even more so with the Clintons, just because the average person is so desensitized to the constant allegations of scandal that have largely gone nowhere. It's entirely possible that Hillary did do something she should go to jail for - but try convincing those people, who have learned to ignore the constant cries of scandal and wrongdoing that have been lobbed against the Clintons for over two decades now, and that basically amounted to a giant nothingburger in the eyes of the public. Cry Wolf enough times, and well, don't be surprised when people are ignoring you when there really is a wolf.
I hope she was using Windows, we all know how hardened that is.
Not only was she running Windows Server (according to the AP article), but she was using Network Solutions for her registrar, even after the U.S. Postal Service and several other large institutions had their NetSol domains slammed to a registrar in the British Virgin Islands against their will; and for some reason the clintonemail.com IP address was changed to that same company in 2011. (This, of course, years and years after anyone with tech experience had dropped Network Solutions.)
After it was cleared by the government. And after she was assured everything to/from government employees was also on government servers such that there was no need to keep her copies around.
Perhaps she thought her firewall was an international border, and should be open for all.
were they more or less secure than the State Dept's servers?
There is a difference, and if you can't see the difference you're the worst kind of apologist.
The difference is, in case you're wondering, is that we'll never know the state of Hillary's server. Which is, absolutely worse. And if you're assuming the best case, the answer is still no, it wasn't, and we have proof of that already (Server housed in a Denver Apt bathroom!).
I'm guessing, this is your version of "What difference does it matter, at this point?"
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
It was super secure because it ran APPS, not LUDDITE software, and only apps can app apps!
Apps!
I know its not exactly the same thing, but for the relatively smart people in both Parties, she is rather equal in embarrassment quotient to Trump.
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Colin Powell used a PUBLIC email server, not a private one. Slightly different, and enough different that it matters.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
I'm sorry, you misunderstand me. I am only referring to the incident listed in the article. I have not researched the topic enough to pass judgement on her other actions.
All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already
Are you conveniently forgetting that Jeb did literally the exact same thing? He had a personal server, then decided what to forward for state archives and deleted the rest.
And so did Christie
And so did Jindal
And so did Rubio
And so did Huckabee
And while they no longer candidates, so did Perry
And so did Walker
I'm not excusing Hillary, because she did fail to follow security protocols. But lets not pretend that she's in some rare company, and lets not pretend that state level governments operate with complete transparency and that state governors could never possibly discuss classified or secret information under any circumstances.
Is this the best you can do to try to keep the "scandal" alive? Just because the RDP port is open doesn't mean it's actually RDP running on the port. I used to run SSH on the telnet port. And just because the IP shows as from the same server doesn't mean it is. Lots of people use DMZ's with port forwarding to isolate servers.
I'm sure the CIA, FBI and NSA enjoyed watching hackers behave like script kiddies in a computer store: "Woo-hoo! We hacked into Hillary's email server!! Oh, look!!! Emails that look like classified information!!!"
Exactly. They is no issue here. This is just the typical war on women by the Republicans.
Colin Powell has also said he had two machines in his office, one for secure government correspondence (which is also subject to FOIA requests) and the other for his personal email account -- I believe this is vary much different then Hillary who only had a personal email account and stored all correspondence (government or not) on a largely un-secure personal server. While she "might" have successfully "wiped" this server, I am sure numerous state actors have the full monty (so to speak), and for a price... Or perhaps they are holding on to the emails to blackmail our potential future president -- no harm nor foul I guess...
None of what you said was true.
Or Powell and Rice each running their own servers while serving as Sec of State, which they both wiped clean upon leaving office.
Odd that the Fox fans seem unaware and uninterested in this- but Hillary doing it is literally Hitler.
Governor Sarah Palin wasn't privy to classified information.
Is there anyone who cares about this issue that didn't already hate Hillary for other reasons?
Do such people actually exist, or was your question rhetorical?
Of course. She's smart, certainly well qualified, and constantly shooting herself in the foot.
With credentials like that, the list of folks who dislike her is long enough to be confused with a LOTR script.
Except for a Socialist from the Green Mountain State, no competition for the Dem nod has yet materialized. Maybe tonight.
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Jeb wasn't treading in classified email you idiot.
> I'm saying she did something stupid, not malicious.
Leaving out that setting up a server to bypass public records laws is inherently malicious as far as the public interest goes, even if setting it up wasn't malicious, repeatedly lying to us about it most certainly is malicious. The fact that they can convince a non-trivial faction of America of non-factual things is a serious problem. It will continue to be a problem whether it's being abused by Ds or Rs and it was just as bad when the Rs were doing it and I was complaining about them.
If we want a responsible government, we can't let them off the hook when they deliberately and knowingly subvert the accountability rules, no matter which faction they belong to. If nobody can be held accountable, then the government controls us when it's supposed to be the other way around in a democracy.
You're an idiot if you think her server was more secure.
Because Benghazi! Benghzai! Benghazi! ... Oops! Nothing happened.
While at the very least, Hillary set up a private email server (and a not particularly secure one) against government protocol.
Clinton hired a buddy to do it. This wasn't a government server, this was her own.
Are you fscking kidding me?!?!
The difference between negligence and gross negligence is that the person should know better than that last drink wasn't going to put them over the limit and run down people. If there's even any question you call a cab or in some cases have your driver take you home. You don't just hope for the best and hope it all works out. National security just doesn't work like that in the real world. Decisions - even poor ones done in stupidity are malicious - as you wouldn't have been entrusted with such concerns if it was felt and evidenced that didn't know how to handle them and proven that in the real world and training. My gods the endless training...
Knowing what you don't know is why people have advisors. If they fail - it is still your damn fault for trusting them - that's why you need to vet them to tell you know what they say/do. Even if they're wrong it's still your own damn fault. That's realpolitik and how things really work both today, in the yesteryear, and in the future. No one person can know everything or even a lot of everything. That's why we have lawyers, doctors, and some insanely complex other fields.
Hopefully programmers will somehow be able to get a big E in there somewhere too. God knows that I think there has to be some personal responsibility somewhere. Things just don't work unless there isn't. Please reference the US banking system as my citation there. It's almost all trust and then verify. Maybe.
Common dregs like even mere state Governors or maybe even Senators need to know how to handle stuff like advisors. You frankly must to get even that far. The sheer fact that this person obviously doesn't get that fact is disturbing. Their demeanor in interviews about this subject also gives the impression to me that such concerns about security/legality are for "the little people" to worry about things that. This makes me even more distressed that people take them seriously.
Astonishment abounds.
> I seem to recall Governor Sarah Palin using her yahoo email account for official business and not ending up in jail
It's a pity they haven't enforced these things more strongly.
But all the politicians love hiding from accountability....
While Petraeus did get dealt with relatively lightly, he resigned his job, and his government career is over. He also accepted the judgement of the system on what he did.
Note that Snowden fled before he could be dealt with by the system. So we don't actually know how he would have been dealt with. Right now, he's basically a fugitive. Would Petraeus have been less of a fugitive if he ran off with his journalist girlfriend to Russia to avoid prosecution?
I do agree that an arrest is very unlikely, but if Clinton left herself open to anything that would lead up to an indictment or arrest, she would likely have enough trouble to torpedo her candidacy, especially if it comes out before the primary.
I'm not sure Clinton should go to jail. I can't believe someone her age and in her higher management position truly understood all of the implications of having a server. What *she* is probably guilty of is being an affluent person who is probably used to getting her way and with technical advisers who should have known better but who did not advise her properly. I imagine that Mrs. Clinton believes she has "people" for making sure that her email is delivered to her in the most convenient manner possible. Those people failed.
Of course, she's still technically responsible, but it does feel like a tempest in a teapot *unless* she was shown to be communicating with that server in order to have government related conversations off the books. In that event, I would expect her to be slapped down hard.
Actually, they found exactly the opposite when the (D) operative hacked her account and they actually found nothing. But keep reading the DailyKos and HuffPo ... they never lie.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Hill's problem was that using a PERSONAL E-mail account as part of her OFFICIAL duties as Secretary of State was NOT ALLOWED both by State Department Policy and by the records retention laws and she knew it (She reprimanded one of her Ambassadors for doing the same thing). Who knows why, but she decided the rules didn't apply to her, or she didn't care.
If that wasn't bad enough, somehow she started sending/receiving classified information though this very same server. I'll put the classified information into two classes, stuff she and others wrote that ended up being classified, and stuff which was directly copied from classified sources. The first is bad, the folks authoring the materials should have known that it was classified and protected it as the State Department's regulations require, but I can give a bit of leniency here because they may not have been well enough trained to know. However, the stuff they copied directly from classified sources is OBVIOUSLY a problem. Somebody had to know they where violating the rules and removing the classification markings, there can be no excuse for doing that. Of course the question now is WHO? Did Hillary do it or one of her aids?
But if the above isn't bad enough for you there is the cover up..... "What server?" to "The server was only for personal use" to "The server wasn't used to send classified information" to "The server wasn't used to send information MARKED classified" (which is so far true, but only because somebody removed the markings).... Now we are discussing if the sever was secure, first it was "What server?:" to it was "totally secure", now it's likely somebody could have hacked it using VNC for Pete's sake. Next we will find out it wasn't being monitored as it sat in the upstairs bathroom being "wiped with a cloth" by Clinton herself.
All this is suspect, but let's face it. Nothing is going to happen to Hillary, guilty or not. Sure, some unlucky aid or two might be charged and even get convicted, but unless Hillary is as stupid as the "You mean wipe it with a cloth" answer sounded (and she's not) she already has a "get out of jail free" card to play which will be followed by "What difference does it make now?" and some variation on the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" defense the Clintons used during the Stained Blue Dress/Monaca Lewinsky thing...
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No, if it was Jeb there'd just be a different set of relatively smart people excusing it because of the (R) after his name. Bipartisan partisan hackery is a two-sided coin.
I am not a sig.
That's a good point. Someone else registered clintonemail.com (along with wjcoffice.com, and presidentclinton.com) with the Clintons' home in Chappaqua, New York as the contact address. Then all they had to do was convince a bunch of people like Sidney Blumenthal that it was her email and years later they could create a minor scandal for her, after she'd already lost in the primaries to Obama.
One does not excuse the other. Politics should not matter as regards to national security. Obviously that's a stupid statement and they do - but c'mon. She's been busted and there's literally no excuse.
One is both legal and ethical and the other is both neither legal or ethical on factual matters.
Running your own private email server to handle what has turned out to be classified materiel... much less TS/SCI stuff is just totally wrong on every count. Once that material hit the server it should've been reported and burned to the ground figuratively speaking. There are so so few reasons to keep it around that it's so pathetically super spy thriller time to even consider then.
If nobody can prove that she reported it as she was obligated to do no matter what than I would say she's farked. I don't care about the content. Just that she recognized what should've been obvious/trained/old hat to her and done the right/ethical/legal thing. She either didn't or it just hasn't been revealed yet. If it hasn't been revealed the only possible reason is that super spy thriller crap and knowing that family that is just not believable to me.
Just my two cents.
Was she sending love letters to Osama bin laden? Was she playing Solitaire?
There is nothing interesting in this expensive tax-payer funded distraction. I want my money back. We need a better congress.
While bridges collapse and families die in America, the Russian-Republican Oligarchy continues this nonsense.
Where is Ross Perot and a real 3rd party alternative when you need it?
That's a lie. She is being excused because she did what every (R) before her did, she didn't use the government server (if any). The law didn't require her to do so. She broke no law. She's seeing more scrutiny over this than Palin did for using Yahoo mail for official Alaska business, in violation of state law. Palin got a big pass from the (R), as well as Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell who also did not use government servers for email.
This gets a pass from (D) because it's obviously a political witch hunt, no more. Like the Planned Parenthood hearings, and the Benghazi hearings, both now admittedly purely political in nature. The (R) is spending billions of taxpayer money harassing the (D). Hillary has been under constant investigation for over 20 years, and nothing has been found.
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Colin Powell used a PUBLIC email server, not a private one. Slightly different, and enough different that it matters.
It matters in what way?
Private and public servers both have their pros and cons. I suspect you'll just select the ones that support your side of the argument.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
https://www.bing.com/search?q=...
The results of this search seem to say that the law was changed after Hillary was Secretary of State, but some people are still confused on this point.
repeatedly lying to us about it most certainly is malicious.
Name the lie. I've seen the accusations of lies against the Clintons for 30 years. But *never* have any of them stuck. And yet again, unsubstantiated accusations of "lying about it" being the problem, without actually establishing the lie.
The fact that they can convince a non-trivial faction of America of non-factual things is a serious problem.
Are you talking about Fox News, of the Kerry Swift Boating now?
If we want a responsible government, we can't let them off the hook when they deliberately and knowingly subvert the accountability rules, no matter which faction they belong to. If nobody can be held accountable, then the government controls us when it's supposed to be the other way around in a democracy.
Like when Palin use Yahoo Mail for official government business, and the Republicans rushed to defend her? Clinton asserts no accountability rules were broken, and nobody has been able to show otherwise. At some point it looks like a witch hunt, not accountability.
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I'm not particularly outraged but the sloppy handling of the server situation has me concerned. So does Hillary's apparent lack of knowledge about the world she lives in.
All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
Jail is for little people. Nothing would change if it were Jeb in trouble instead.
Anyone sending Hillary classified information was breaking the rules to email it in the first place, so her assertions that she was not emailed classified documents seems rational.
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Consider getting a big bottle of helium or nitrogen, bringing it into a small room with you, taping off the door cracks so the room is sealed, and opening that sucker up. The gas will displace the oxygen but still allow you to breath out your carbon dioxide so you don't feel like you're drowning. Be a dear, and put a note on the door warning the EMTs that show up so they don't suffocate when they come in after you.
Of course, it would probably work out better for you if you just voted for someone else. Then you don't have to off yourself.
I'm guessing, this is your version of "What difference does it matter, at this point?"
More like, "She didn't break a law, so stop spending millions of taxpayer's dollars investigating her."
Learn to love Alaska
Jeb had a private email server too.
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All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
Right, it would fit right in with the fine tradition we have of jailing politicians who misbehave, right?
I hope you're just being hyperbolic and don't actually believe that crap, it wouldn't help your credibility any.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
While at the very least, Hillary set up a private email server (and a not particularly secure one) against government protocol.
Nope. She did what Rice and Powell had done before her. There were no rules against it at the time. The rules passed after exempted the existing external email. They still haven't found a law or rule broken, despite billions of dollars of taxpayer money spent investigating the Clintons. You'd think the "small government" (R) would try to save money, rather than blowing billions on witch hunts and goose chases.
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Malicious would be if Hillary left a security hole in the server with the intent to transfer state secrets to a spy. (Once again I only refer to the incident indicated in the article). I don't see any other way this could be considered malicious.
> repeatedly lying to us about it most certainly is malicious
I am trying to understand what "it" refers too. Lying about the server being secure? That is kind of a stretch.
If you don't know that people say flippant remarks and mistype things, you need to learn a bit more about the world around you.
But don't you realize that leaving a port open on her home server makes her history's greatest monster? Clearly, you're not paying attention to the GOP debates.
You are welcome on my lawn.
To be fair, Rick Perry thinks a "personal server" is the colored lady he hired to do housework.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I seem to recall that when the whole email server thing first broke both of her predecessor's as Secretary of State did the same thing. Which to me, makes this whole "scandal" smells of partisan politics.
How dare you question the president's action. Those children were obviously hostile terrorists. He was protecting us.
No, the worst part are the people who are pursuing this, simply because she has a (D) after her name.
Why?
Care to think of it.
What could it be?
Oh yeah, by giving into their partisan biases, they make it impossible to develop any kind of secure and reasonable response. It's like having a racist KKK Cop investigate a crime. No matter what, it will end badly.
And this time, they have only themselves to blame.
So no, you have it wrong, because you can't see the log in thine own eye.
(Obviously, I'm not suggesting that you trust, or ever vote for, a Republicrat. Now, with that out of the way...)
How does a portscan done by someone outside (coming in through WAN) know that these ports all go to the same server? You can portscan my employer's static address too, and you'll see all sorts of open ports, but geez, that doesn't mean they all connect you the same machine that port 25 gets you to.
Oh, B.S. Palin didn't user her Yahoo account for anything wrong. Certainly nothing classified, like Clinton.
it would be just politics if she hadn't complained as a candidate that Bush was hiding things by using private email.
Clinton 2007 : You know our Constitution is being shredded. We know about the secret wiretaps, about the secret military tribunals, we know about the secret White House email accounts.
Then she does the same thing. That's not partisan politics, that's being a hypocrite.
As for the RDP it could very well have been a redirect to another machine at the house and not the actual email server. It's on the same network but it may not have been the email server itself, unless the router config or network setup has been published.
This shit's too complicated for the average conservative voter (Don't flatter yourself you basement dwelling libertarian. You'll talk independent but you'll vote R every time you spineless cuckolded wimp.)
Let me translate:
Benghazi! Benghazi? Benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi. ... Benghazi.
That, and why is it her "home server"? Was it physically in their home? Why wouldn't someone put it in a host of some kind?
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As I recall, you're right, the email account was used for little of import, but I don't think it was hacked by some nefarious (D) operative. Wasn't it just some guy on a forum that guessed her password reset answers based on publicly available information?
If hackers with low skill levels could access her machine easily, there must be a number of caches of all the data she was trying to hide.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
criticize a Democratic candidate. This election's Democratic candidates are a diverse bunch aren't they? All old and white. Just like the Republi- Oh maybe not. Looks like we have plenty of diversity on the other side. And they're not all idiots like Hillary Clinton!
The "office" email server she should have been using may have also been poorly configured. We know it was poorly backed up because it crashed and data was lost.
If it was poorly backed up, it was likely poorly configured also because this suggests support in general was slack. At least her own server lasted longer.
We may be comparing a Ford Pinto to a Yugo here, except the Yugo has since died and been scrapped so that we cannot examine it (unless somebody kept an old scan record.)
Table-ized A.I.
You God dammed fuck wipe. Jeb didn't have access to communications that were TOP SECRET and therefore his server didn't compromise national security because it was too much of a bother for him to use separate comm channels. Shit fuck damn motherfucker hell, you progressives would vote for Hillary even if she ate baby parts purchased at planned parenthood.
Yahoo Mail has been hacked a number of times. And Palin wasn't put in jail for using a known insecure email service for official government business.
Palin wasn't dealing with top-secret State Department traffic.
In fact, Palin properly separated her personal and political emails from her "official" government email. The Yahoo account was her personal/political account, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with her having the account, nor did anyone find a problem (wasn't it the WP that set up a special web site so that all the Palin haters could carefully review every character? And no one found anything wrong.)
Finally, Palin properly preserved all her emails. H. Clinton deleted many thousands of allegedly "personal" emails without any oversight.
The winner-takes-all format of the Electoral College means that if you live outside of the 10-12 swing states, your state's representation in the Presidential election has already been decided. You don't have the power to flip 100K to 2M votes required to turn a solid blue state red or a solid red state blue.
If you're not in a swing state, you're better off giving that vote to a 3rd party candidate, and help him/her get more exposure.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
The really dark part about all of this is why you would have such an arrangement in the first place. The answer is to be able to delete embarassing emails and avoid oversight. Which is exactly what happened is why the FBI is investigating. The FBI had to get an emergency injunction to stop her from deleting MORE emails. The reason why all of these public records laws exist is to ensure accountability. Only the fact that she has protectors in the media and white house has kept her afloat for this long.
Yeah stick with WND
So Mrs. Clinton had a remote control port built into her server...no prevention or even detection of people coming in and controlling it save perhaps a windows password. ...why should her IP address be any different from anyone else's?) do we have here an explanation for some of the diplomatic traffic that Wikipedia and friends have disclosed?
Since this could have been accessed from anywhere on Earth (and will have been
The "office" server she should have been using was ALSO not designed for confidential/secret info. Thus, the "home" thing is NOT the issue here (yet).
So far we don't know if anything she sent/received was secret at the time it was sent. That's still an open issue. We only know that some of it has since been classified (or should have been classified).
And if somebody did send her classified info, she still may not be culpable for it. Unless it's an obvious "special" message, it may not be her to job to determine classification categories anymore than it's her job to check server ports.
If somebody sends you a bad email, is it your fault or the senders?
If it's obviously a bad email, then the receiver should report it. But if it's subtlety bad (or secret) such that the determiner-of-badness is a specialized skill, then we wouldn't expect the receiver to also have that specialized categorization skill.
There's a lot of potential work-flow and responsibility paths here. The devil's in the details, which we don't have yet.
Table-ized A.I.
The very fact that you can point to just one incident in 2008 just goes to show that usually it does work that way.
And how were they supposed to know that? Perhaps if bars had breathalyzer tests for everyone.
I 've been having troubles with my eyes, so I went to an eye doctor and while they gave me a new prescription, it still did not address my primary eye problems. I'm still going through things with my primary care physician, but back to my eye doctor. I asked her to retest my near vision for my progressive lenses and she said that it wasn't magic and is adjusted relative to a person's age. It took me a bit to process what she said, and I came to the conclusion that we had a different definition of magic. In mine in order for something to not be magic, it has to be able to be affected by many environmental factors that going by a patient's age simply does not measure, and therefore should be tested.
You'd be surprised about just how much of the world operates with ideas like my eye doctor's notion of what magic is, but operate it does.
You have to wonder what ailes Fox as even they wouldn't renew her contract.
I'm not sure how true it is, but I read somewhere that Palin didn't rate, or her viewership figures were dropping really fast, so Fox offered her a really low number on her next contract so that she wouldn't sign, then they could all just pretend it was a mutual thing.
Sounded plausible anyway.
Why is anyone making a fuss over Hilaries private e-mail server. Gov't comms are a mess. and then there's GWB43.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Colin Powell is a democrat whether he admits it or not. Look at who he's endorsed since leaving office.
Well for one by using a private server you can be sure when you delete an email it is deleted. Why would anyone go through all the trouble and set up a private email server other than to be able to control the message?
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From what I read Rice didn't user email and Powell used a public email service and only used it for a very small number of emails.
Her open server was compromised, and this is how the forces in Libya knew of the existence of the Annex. Too bad the GOP has destroyed any recourse over this with their recent comments; they where far closer to the truth than they ever knew.
... server to bypass public records laws...
[Citation Please]
Yes I'm serious, because I still have not had someone point out which specific codice of current US Law, or State Department clearance policy, that she is 'dead to rights', no further interpretation, guilty on. Perhaps you could provide that, because while my 'Google-fu' is strong, I haven't found the 'nail for her coffin'.
Palin wasn't dealing with top-secret State Department traffic.
Neither was Hillary. The top-secret stuff came in different channels. At best, someone hacked into the server might be able to identify the time and place she was handed top-secret material, but not the contents.
In fact, Palin properly separated her personal and political emails from her "official" government email.
In fact, she didn't.
Finally, Palin properly preserved all her emails.
No, she didn't.
But with no governemnt investigation into her, there wasn't enough evidence of wrongdoing to start an investigation. Hillary has always been subject to the standard that they investigate to find something they don't know is there. But Palin (and others on the (R) side) aren't subject to the same scrutiny.
Learn to love Alaska
what if the insecure email server leaked the info that lead to the militant's knowledge of Benghazi?
Nah, Rick only uses illegal Mexican labor; he'd never allow an American to do work like that.
The key question that you are ignoring isn't the use of a non-government server by a government official, but rather, "What was it used for, and in what context?"
There are functions expected of members of an administration that aren't legal to perform on government servers, such as partisan political activity. That is a perfectly legitimate reason to use a non-government server.
Hillary co-mingled personal matters with political matters with official duties of a Ministerial nature, and had state secrets mixed in with her mail. That is wildly inappropriate. It is almost unbelievable that any person of Hillary's education and general exposure to government would do that. Almost.
Odd that you don't seem aware or interested in any of that.
I'm also pretty sure that most "fox fans" don't think Hillary is "literally" Hitler. Most of them probably have a very good idea who Hitler is, and aren't likely to toy with slinging that name around.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
He actually said he's only a Republican because it annoys them. So you are correct, even if you posted as an AC lol.
... but I'm still a Republican because I believe in a strong defense, because I believe in the entrepreneurial spirit that is so typical of the Republican Party in the past. But I'm having difficulty with the party now," he said.
"I want to continue to be a Republican because it annoys them," Powell said, prompting laughter from the audience.
"In Virginia, you don't have to declare a party
Powell seems quite upset about the recent actions of his GOP. "I want to continue to be a Republican because it annoys them," Powell said, prompting laughter from the audience.
... but I'm still a Republican because I believe in a strong defense, because I believe in the entrepreneurial spirit that is so typical of the Republican Party in the past. But I'm having difficulty with the party now," he said.
"In Virginia, you don't have to declare a party
Hillary's servers were not totally secure, but were they more or less secure than the State Dept's servers?
Not relevant.
Is there anyone who cares about this issue that didn't already hate Hillary for other reasons?
You mean like anyone interested in good government?
Boondoggles and misconduct are party agnostic and should be opposed regardless of source.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
> Name the lie.
They've changed the story every time they've told us about this server. That's not how it goes when you're being honest.
You've jumped on to point out all the R lies I was talking about. Yes, there were many. Yes, they were bad. But you've jumped into defense mode for the D team here when I'm happy to call out both parties. Maybe we'll be lucky and she won't lie about something like yellowcake or WMD, but I'd rather have someone who might implement actual transparency. Lessig and Sanders might be okay options. The Bushes have not rather bad about this sort of thing, though (see also: WMD). And no, I wasn't fooled by those lies, either, like when they tried to pawn it off on "bad intelligence" (though maybe you could claim it was "bad intelligence," if you're referring to IQ rather than secret agents, but I digress...).
> Clinton asserts no accountability rules were broken
You're worried about the rules, I'm worried that she set up a server to evade oversight. I don't even care if there was a law against it or not, I hate the very purpose for which the server existed--to keep email out of the archives. Now, you do have a good case that Washington accountability is already broken, I actually agree with you there! Both parties are a problem! Yes, the Rs too!
> Like when Palin use Yahoo Mail for official government business, and the Republicans rushed to defend her?
Yup! I don't like that either. I never liked Palin. I voted for Obama that time.
My problem is that people are just going to play team politics here and not let anybody on their team get punished, ever. Every time, we'll hear "they did it too!" (it's true, they did!) and then after a lot of fuss, everyone will still get away with it every time.
Everyone's being played here by both Ds and Rs. I'm sick of seeing the public get played for a fool, and even more sick of seeing it work.
The contact address for it was the Clinton's home, actually (cite: wikipedia). I don't think the hardware was actually there, though, but I've heard so many stories about it I wonder.
>>Hillary has been under constant investigation for over 20 years, and nothing has been found.
Hillary: "I turned in all my emails"
News: "New Emails Discovered That Hillary Didn't Turn In"
It's great that Hill-zombies can proudly declare "nothing has been found!" in the face of charges that she bought a private server to conduct business without any oversight.
"Hillary has the right letter next to her name, so I'm going to keep licking her diseased old cunt no matter what number of crimes and lies she commits!!"
--PopeRatzo
http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/08/special-review-confirms-hillary-clintons-email-had-top-secret-information/
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/09/23/fbi-recovers-invisible-emails-from-hillarys-server-in-her-view-they-arent-there-255243
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/04/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN0R41WD20150904
http://nypost.com/2015/09/23/hillary-told-obama-to-call-off-his-f-king-dogs-involved-in-email-probe-new-book-says/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/01/us-usa-election-clinton-classified-idUSKCN0R01XN20150901
^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Blumenthal
^^Jewish Activist wikipedia categories and Jewish American writers categories
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huma_Abedin
^Islam aide
How can somebody store classified/top secret US gov communique on a home server with RDP ports open still even look like they are running a Presidential campaign? Israel AND Islam? c'mon this is right in your faces.
But don't you realize that leaving a port open on her home server makes her history's greatest monster? Clearly, you're not paying attention to the GOP debates.
Yeah, the moment I read the article I checked all of the servers in our enterprise for these nefarious "open ports". I needed to shut down 5000 servers because our tomcat servers have port 8080 wide open! Our web servers have port 443 open! I must have already been hacked because I lost connectivity when I closed down port 22 on all servers.
Since you don't have enough information, here are a few quick facts. The Inspector General (appointed by Obama) stated that Clinton sent top secret satellite photos. He said that information is classified top secret as soon as the picture is taken (it's not classified later). Shortly after that announcement is when Clinton started adding the word "marked" to her denials - "I didn't send any email -marked- classified."
Which is a bit odd, because failing to properly mark classified information when conveying it is a separate violation. So in terms of legal risk, she just admitted to an additional offense in an effort for better PR.
A brief chronology of Clinton's statements, from earliest to latest:
There is classified information on the server.
I didn't send or receive classified -documents- (an important change, after it was confirmed she sent classified information, she pivots to pretending it's the document that's protected, not the info.)
I didn't -send- classified documents. (After public confirmation she did receive them)
I didn't send documents which were -marked- classified when I sent them. (After it was confirmed she did send classified documents, which were classified when she sent them.)
That's the story according to Mrs. Clinton and the Obama administration. Given their side of the story, I don't even need to hear what conservatives have to say on the matter,
Does Shodan HQ keep logs over time? :-)
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I missed a word. Her initial statement was that there was NO classified information on the server.
That changed to "didn't send or receive classified documents", then "didn't send", then "didn't mark".
I imagine that a public server doesn't have the RDP and VNC ports open, so there is that. Also, Powell didn't store top secret classified information on his account, thusly making it totally legal. He also didn't delete all of his email after he left office, which in my opinion is an open admission of guilt.
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
http://www.politico.com/story/...
If a port is open in the ports list and no one is there to service it can it still be hacked.
When you hold all the cards, no one can prove anything.
She commandeered every Rose Law firm file immediately after Vince Foster's suicide and claimed they were misplaced while scrubbing any incriminating evidence. She defied a subpoena for the files a couple of years, Eventually, Hillary found all files in her bedroom (WH). Nothing incriminating was found.
SSDD.
"I can burp the Battle Hymn of the Republic!!"
-Anonymous Coward
You are welcome on my lawn.
The dude who hacked Palin's email was the son of a state-level congressman. I'll let you guess which party they were.
The government has pretty much stated Snowden is going to be tried as a traitor without counsel and then summarily executed. Wish I was being hyperbolic, but we put traitors to death, a la the Rosenbergs. Short of a presidential pardon, he's a dead man. If he wasn't in Russia he'd most likely be dead already.
Hillary did what was legal at the time and paid someone to set up and manage her server. It's like holding Palin responsible for the Yahoo breach, which is actually more likely Palin's fault for a weak password. You pay someone to set up your server, it's their responsibility to do what you are paid for. There is literally nothing she did that was illegal. She didn't send classified documents, she received improperly labelled emails. There is no there there. It's a witch hunt, and this is the 7th one all of the others clearing her. It's purely political and it's obviously so unless you're purposefully sticking your head in the sand. There's plenty of legitimate things to knock Clinton for, this isn't one of them.
Tell me where open ports are codified into law on a personal server. It was her responsibility to not put classified material on network and what has been shown by the kangaroo poster and GOP is dubious at best. Not a Hillary supporter, but this sort of woman hate is reserved for neanderthals and republicans.
You guys with the Clinton hate, or Democratic evilness, or whatever aren't facing facts. A former first lady who plays the game as good as the rest is never getting touched. Not even Petraus 2.0.
If that's not enough, then you guys get your panties in a twist about open ports and OMG THE RUSSIANS ATTACKED AN OPEN PORT!!!! Do any of you operate a server without checking logs?
Seriously. The people that matter respect her. Nothing is going to happen. Move on.
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
I think we can safely assume Hillary Clinton did not set up the server on her own. Who did it? And what are that person or company relations with Hillary Clinton now?
This gets a pass from (D) because it's obviously a political witch hunt, no more. Like the Planned Parenthood hearings, and the Benghazi hearings, both now admittedly purely political in nature. The (R) is spending billions of taxpayer money harassing the (D). Hillary has been under constant investigation for over 20 years, and nothing has been found.
Sadly it is not just a political witch hunt. That would be bad enough, particularly since it is using taxpayer money and resources to do it. Heck they are using peoples deaths as fuel for their political engine. It is all quite sickening and loathsome.
But as I mentioned, it is not just a political witch hunt. It is also a great distraction from actually debating the real issues, such as why we are so much more productive as a country and yet it is now harder to make ends meet. For instance here is a link someone else posted that explains why the TPP will not work.
http://economixcomix.com/home/tpp/ It actually is a fairly decent explanation in comic format, but it is way more complicated than any news channel I've seen has ever bothered to explain.
The FBI has taken the server into their custody for analysis.
Some reports say they have found files maybe e-mail left on the disk, so maybe deleted, but not wiped.
In any case she lied several times.
There was sensitive classified and confidential information on it. I have seen Blumenthal stuff marked confidential.
She deleted e-mails after they were requested by congress.
If other officials treated classified information like she did they would be going to trial.
The lame excuse that she didn’t know or the information wasn't classified is bunk, isn't most of what the secretary of state does classified?
The server was not properly secured. She violated state department policy and archiving laws.
Her actions and lies show simply that she feels above the law entitled to do things the "Clinton way".
I say prosecute her, let Biden and Sanders fight it out for the nomination.
Claims that Clinton was her own administrator are still not proven, however.
Play Command HQ online
Unless you actually probe what process is running on a port, the mere fact that it is "open" does not tell you anything except that it is not firewalled and that something is running on it. The thing running on it could be /bin/false via inetd, and hence any connection would get closed immediately after establishment, and before any data exchange and hence pose no security risk as there is no attack surface.
This makes this whole story political, not technical.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-03/hdr22clintonemailcom-how-romanian-hacker-exposed-hillary-clintons-secret-email-life
people sent her confidential material, and the dept of state and CIA havd classified a number of mails from her server.
And common sense will tell you, most anything the secretary of state does is classified or confidential at least.
Powell didn't store top secret classified information on his account, thusly making it totally legal.
The debate is ongoing as to what, if any, of Clinton's received e-mails were truly classified.
He also didn't delete all of his email after he left office, which in my opinion is an open admission of guilt.
Ah, but he did. From the WSJ article I linked to initially:
President George W. Bush’s first secretary of state, Colin Powell. Mr. Powell used a personal account. He says that he didn’t save any of these emails and therefore could not hand them over to the State Department when it asked for them as part of a records preservation effort late last year.
“I retained none of those e-mails, and we are working with the State Department to see if there’s anything else they want to discuss with me about those emails,” he told ABC’s “This Week.”
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
holy fuck. W tortured and killed lots of proven innocent people. You really think Jeb would go to jail for emails?
You are a lying propagandist. You really believe the NSA hasn't educated Mrs. Clinton a little more than that in the what, 23 years since she first moved into the whitehouse? The confused grandma defense may win her the first non-male presidency, but that doesn't make it less of a deceipt.
Yeah, I'd rather have a sane guy that states black youth have no spirit (in response to a white supremacist killing nine black youth), Mexicans crossing the border are all drug carriers and rapists, his "Apprentice" female contestants would be a "pretty picture" on their knees (and only need to be young with a great ass), John McCain isn't a war hero because true war heroes aren't captured, and we need a President that's good at building walls, and that Mexico is going to pay for a wall built along the border.
Open ports on a machine that was probably behind a firewall that blocks those ports, which was used by someone who entrusted a professional to set up the email server, at standards that were previously good enough for the President of the United States.... Yes open ports, that's clearly the mark of a leader lacking in ability to lead. We need leaders that can keep those ports closed! Leaders with closed ports that slight Blacks, Mexicans, Women, and the Military while promising to fund a border long pork barrel project under the joke that our neighboring country is going to pay for it.
Anything over an open port on a server supposedly good enough for the President, meaning the system was probably behind a hardware firewall that blocked that port.
And that was also wrong, from a public records perspective, but she wasn't in a federal position at the time, and therefore wasn't subject to federal records retention laws. She was also not dealing with classified material (at least, on a regular basis, I assume).
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
....that having her own server was "more secure" than using a State Department server.
All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
No, he wouldn't. What on earth makes you believe that?
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They've changed the story every time they've told us about this server. That's not how it goes when you're being honest.
Yet when I ask someone to give one of the stories that's false, none appear. That is exactly how it goes when you are lying to vilify someone without evidence.
Since so many are so sure that she did something wrong, why can't any of these many stories be quoted that contradicts reality?
I've gotten into trouble for changing stories myself. What I did at the party as a teenager elicits a different response when I'm telling Mom, vs the kids at school. Both may be technically true, with no lies, but emphasis and omission to paint the impression I'm looking to give. That's human nature.
I voted for Obama that time.
I've voted in every presidential election since '92, and never once voted for a winner. I've voted for major party candidates of both sides, and often 3rd party candidates, but never a winner.
Learn to love Alaska
Hilary Clinton is not a system administrator. Even if the box was running an illegal torrent server and had a root password of "password", none of those details should reflect on her in any way. Expecting her to know any detail whatsoever beyond that she was using her own private email is stupid and grasping.
The only issues that matter: Did she know she was using her own email server? Did the law say that that was illegal? Did she knowingly send confidential data through her private server? Has she knowingly lied about anything since then? (and I don't consider 'my server was secure' to be a willful lie even if it wasn't secure, because how was she supposed to know? Her tech people told her bullshit and she has no choice but to repeat it)?
If some of those things are true, yeah, charge her with something. I would absolutely love that, given that I hate her and would be very disappointed to see her as president. Smear her for using the server, smear her for lying about it, smear her for sending confidential data. But enough of these bullshit stories that reflect more on her IT staff than her.
How else could I connect to my home computer?
Doesnt mean those services were running on them. You can run a VPN on any port you want - the standard ports are just for ease of configuration.
wow. open RDP, open VNC. Can you spell hackers dream.
nothing to see here - move along
Actually, I hear Hillary thinks she is the Government and she cleared the whole thing. She gave herself permissions to setup and destroy the server. Tim S.
Knowing that people say flippant remarks and knowing that a specific instance is a flippant remark are two completely different things, and not knowing that is not knowing about the world around you. Besides, either way, she should have known that that remark would be taken negatively no matter what the reality is. Either she doesn't know what wiping a server means, and she hasn't shown much inclination of being technologically savvy, or she doesn't know that her statement wouldn't be seen as funny coming from her.
LOL!
C'mon everyone, Bernie told me last night in the debates that the email server is just a sideshow.
I'm laughing so hard milk came out my nose.....
big businesses (and government agencies) would consider squirreling confidential email off servers and brought home to be a fireable / treasonous offense.
she intentionally subverted national security policies for classified information.
are you dumb, of course its malicious! and any lesser known pleb would be rotting in a jail right now.
Hyperbole you much?
How is this woman still eligible for a clearance? As someone who unfortunately has seen a lot of the security clearance process, and has been punished for much less, I'm legitimately concerned she could somehow still get access after this. I suspect they want to revoke it, but would much rather avoid the bad PR in case she is voted in.
Everyone with any experience knows the quickest way to lose your clearance is:
Step 1: Lie about handling of classified information
Step 2: Lose clearance
Disclaimer: It's true, I don't want her in office anyway; and it's true I feel I have been held to uneven standards as a member of the working class. If it makes you feel any better, though, I'm sure she's not the only politician who's done this. I just don't think that should matter in determining responsibility.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/ar...
As Secretary of State, she would be considered an Original Classification Authority. This means that she would be trained in recognizing what should be classified information, and what should be protected.
http://www.politico.com/story/...
According to that article, the number of classified emails is in the range of 400. Some of those messages should have been obvious that they were classified, especially for someone who is supposed to be the one determining the classification of information (an Original Classification Authority's job).
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the...
http://www.archives.gov/about/...
Saying that she didn't send or receive any emails marked as classified is a lie of omission. She should have known that certain things should have been classified, so even without the markings (which is likely to land someone in Federal prison), she should be able to identify classified information and handle it properly, including reporting the release of classified information onto her home email server.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I've heard them talking tough about him, but I haven't heard anyone state he's getting tried for treason, let alone summarily executed. I'd have to ask for a citation on that one.
I agree that he's certainly going to be brought up on some charges, but I'd imagine that would surprise no one. He may or may not have to do some time in the Federal pen. He did break the law, no matter what his reasons were.
To be honest, I don't think he's in any danger of his life whatsoever. If they haven't killed him yet, they're not going to kill him now. He'd just be a martyr. That would make no sense.
http://www.archives.gov/about/...
Next?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
http://uscode.house.gov/view.x...
I don't know how much it changed, but the records management laws have been around for over 50 years.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Any other candidate besides Clinton, any other person, would have been charged with mishandling classified information for knowingly transmitting all this classified information over a computer not approved for classified processing and would have been working out a misdemeanor plea agreement with the Feds by now. The Clinton way is to have someone else take all the blame, but I don't see how she can do it when she purposefully wanted physical control over the server in her own home. I don't think she should do jail time over the mishandling of classified information, but she acted with privileged contempt for the law that she so glibly would apply as a weapon against others.
Except that that was a lie.
Rice didn't use a public email server, and Powell by all accounts had a public mail account, and a State mail account that he used.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Oh, and she broke the law, here is the law she broke:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.x...
Now the problem is actually prosecuting her for that. She also emailed classified information, it was unmarked, but as an Original Classification Authority, she was one of the people at State that was the source of classification declarations, and so should have known if information should have been classified even when unmarked.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Except Jeb did practically the same thing:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/je...
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/05/...
And George W. Bush did even worse, breaking the law in doing so:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
He even refused to turn over e-mails under subpoena: "The White House stated it might have lost five million emails"
At least 5 different investigations were hampered by his private e-mail account:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Unlike George, Hillary appears to have broke no laws, turned over all the data to investigators, and isn't hampering any investigations.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
I think she is much more technically literate than many people think. The "like with a cloth" was a comment to downplay her knowledge of that, but does any one really think she is that stupid?
A typical gov't office or department ALSO uses lowest-bidder. Lowest-bidder is common practice in large org's and gov't. The fact the office server died without good backups suggests it wasn't given any more care than the kind of consumer-grade you talk about.
Lowest-bidder sucks, but so far nobody has come up with a better systematic alternative. Just make sure the requirements are thorough and verified.
Table-ized A.I.
The top-secret stuff came in different channels.
From the New York Times:
I. Charles McCullough III, the inspector general for the intelligence community, found the two emails containing what he determined was “Top Secret” information in the course of reviewing a sampling of 40 of Mrs. Clinton’s work-related emails for potential security breaches.
Note that even though those were only 2 emails out of a sample of 40 that were examined, there are over 30,000 emails that were deleted and so we may never know if they were classified or not.
Correction: should be "Whether doing Y is moral is another discussion".
Table-ized A.I.
Where was the hacking though?
Using a non-government server was legal until about a year after Kerry took over. I don't know about the status of the official records laws as they pertain to email, which is often but not always ephemeral in nature.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Not even Hitler left a port open on a home server.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
The problem is that I've seen so many baseless accusations against the Clintons that I'm inclined to assume that they're all false unless and until I find otherwise. It's a result of too many Republicans calling wolf too many times.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Have you noticed the security rating large government departments get? I'm not at all confident that a State Department server would have been any more secure.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I don't believe it has ever been legal to use a personal server for official business, the records retention laws however were breached when she failed to turn over the emails, and even when she did turn them over, there was a three month gap, and since she wiped the server, that information might be lost. I don't know exactly when the gap lines up with, but if I had to venture a guess it would have to do with Benghazi as she still hasn't revealed what happened back then.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
"The hacker, David Kernell, had obtained access to Palin's account by looking up biographical details such as her high school and birthdate and using Yahoo!'s account recovery for forgotten passwords. Kernell then posted several pages of Palin's email on 4chan's /b/ board. Kernell, who at the time of the offense was a 20-year-old college student, is the son of longtime Democratic state representative Mike Kernell of Memphis." -Wikipedia
So it was hacked by some nefarious (D) operative. The real point is not the 'D', but that Kernell's daddy 'served' in political office since 1974, and like so many others, owed the mafia that gave him that gravy job. It seems like R-vs-D, but it's the ruling elite of R&D versus the common folk.
Umm, Obama put Petraeus in the CIA. Petraeus was disgraced by his own stupidity. Big Head, Little Head thing. The FBI recommended multiple felony prosecutions. He got a prepackaged deal from the the "Obama Justice Department" to plead to a misdemeanor. So, there's that rich people being protected thing again...
That's incorrect. Hillary lied and broke several laws. She did not turn over all of the data to investigators either.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
That is the same incident. Hillary was hosting her government email on her private server that was left vulnerable to simple attacks, she did this to control what was turned over as required by the Federal Records Act.
Knowledge = Power
P= W/t
t=Money
Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
Being Slashdot, it seems like a horrible misuse of the word 'hacking'.
It wouldn't be legal for Kerry to use a personal server, but I don't know of any laws against it when Clinton was Secretary of State.
Benghazi has been beaten to death, without evidence of wrongdoing on Clinton's part. A friend of mine finally resorted to saying she should have micromanaged the situation (from across the Atlantic and half the Mediterranean) better.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Argue whether it was "hacking" or "cracking" if you want to. But it's unquestioned that at least the guy's father was a Democrat operative.
Typical liberal a-hole! Doesn't she what she's done wrong... But if it were you or I that was too fuckin lazy to carry a second cell phone, we'd already be tried and jailed! What is this bitch still doing walking the streets???
None of those sources claim Clinton emailed one piece of information that was classified AT THE TIME. It's idiotic to try and make an issue out of documents that were only later redacted. None of those sources show Clinton lied about one single thing. And the fact that "10 or so emails" disappeared isnt remotely comparable to the millions of emails the RNC conveniently lost, isnt illegal, nor does it show any willful act of deciept. So as I said, still no evidence she broke a single law, while Bush did.
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Why does this myth persist? These laws are 50+ years old, they apply to all executive branches. Here is the law, and all changes that have happened to it recently:
http://uscode.house.gov/view.x...
If you read the law, it is quite clear that she was required to furnish her records, not hold onto them for three years to avoid a congressional investigation.
It is tough to collect evidence when you have someone refusing to turn over the email they illegally stored on a home server. The Benghazi committee has requested this info over and over and never received it. She should have had more guards in the facility, it was a warzone, why were there so few, and why were the solders held back? It hasn't entirely been answered yet. You don't reduce the number of guards at a facility when the ambassador visits. Unfortunately, since all the records were locked up for 3 years, it is hard to perform an investigation of what she did and didn't do in the situation.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You're still wrong - some information is classified as soon as it's generated, even if it isn't marked "classified". Some of that information was found on her server - it was classified at the time, even if it didn't have the appropriate markings - that's how classified information works. She lied when she said she turned all the emails over. Not turning them over is, in fact, illegal, and it was when the RNC did it too. Their bad behavior doesn't excuse hers.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
At that point she has a duty to report the spillage. Failing to report those things is also an offense.
On the other hand, it might have been your vote that made your state a solid red or blue.
It was shown some years back, that mathematically the individual votors have more power in a sub-divided system, because there is greater likelyhood that their vote could swing a large block. Having a simple straight vote, each person would be less likely to swing the vote. Look it up.
Besides, the Electoral collage is set up to limit the power of the densly populated cities, so that the rural states are not always outvoted. In a straight vote the cities would always have a lock. It -does- work as designed.
But then again, Clinton's home spun email server apparently was not breached compared to the official servers of the administration. Ports open does not necessarily mean much, if there is no service at the other end the open port does not help much.
18 USC 793 subsection F (bold added by me for emphasis)
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/us...
Yes, but have you noticed that the Hillbots pushing this defense are comparing breaches of non-classified systems (like Social Security) with classified systems (like the CIA)? Besides, if Hillary had used a government system, and that system was breached....that lands on whatever official was in charge of said system.
Whereas if Hillary's private email server was hacked by xyz, that's all on......Hillary. If you were SOS, would you want that axe to fall on your head, or someone else's head?
All I have to say, is if this were Jeb, he would be in jail already.
WTF?! Jeb's brother, Neil, stole 2 trillion dollars and bankrupted all Savings and Loans (while their daddy was in the White House) and was never even investigated... and you think Jeb would be in jail over an email server? Just wow.
Jeb is part of the ruling class, as is Hillary. Neither will EVER do any time in jail. The only risk they may ever face in their life is getting their heads chopped off by the masses. Literally. Vive la France or whatever. Heh.
"Someone needs to talk to the tree of liberty about its ghoulish drinking problem." by ohnocitizen
YOU say "hosts=bad" (but they add security, speed, & reliability) & bitch on admin privelege to UPDATE vs. threats:
"So, have you figured out why privilege escalation is a bad thing yet?" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015 @05:15PM (#50577809)
Hypocrite - You use admin priv admitting it
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How else can I programmatically update hosts minus it in Windows?
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"Of course it requires elevation to write to the hosts file" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015 @05:35PM (#50585879)
You FINALLY later admit there's no other way!
FACT:
Even MalwareBytes AntiMalware (best one) DEMANDS you use admin privelege (you saying it's "bad" too?) it can't do its job fully otherwise, like many security tools do!
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Aryeh Goretsky NOD32/ESET says hosts = good security-> http://it.slashdot.org/comment...
Oliver Day (Symantec) does-> http://www.securityfocus.com/c...
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* HOW MANY SECURITY PROS DO I NEED TO KNOCK THE CHOCOLATE OUTTA YOU?
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Those security pros INCLUDE me: I work w/ guys from malwarebytes' hpHosts on a regular basis!
I've professionally worked for decades as a combined domain-wide network admin & software engineer since 1994 (Even showing you HOW to migrate a hosts across an enterprise-> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
I've also been securing computers + WRITING GUIDES using CIS Tool (who took fixes from me http://slashdot.org/comments.p... - bonus) http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...
You told me you learn from guides?
I write good ones that MILLIONS USE & was PAID FOR IT http://pcpitstop.com/news/winn...
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You did all that? No!
(& that's ONLY a SMALL part of what I could put out)
APK
P.S.=> You're all TALK -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & a "ne'er-do-well" as far as security...apk