You don't need the power officially. They have ways of getting what they want.
[Quest's CEO] says he refused to cooperate based on advice from his lawyers that such an action would be illegal, as the NSA would not go through the normal process of asking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a subpoena. About this time, he says the company’s ability to win unrelated government contracts - something it did not have trouble with before the NSA meeting - slowed significantly.
I'm not saying anything in particular about Cisco's vulnerability to pressure from the NSA. I'm just saying they don't necessarily need explicit legal power to get what they want.
In other words, I hold YOU responsible for Obama. Thanks for helping nigger up the country.
Now hold on a minute. You just said yourself that it takes a nigger to nigger things up, but you don't even know if I'm black! I'll bet you feel stupid now, eh?
Another testament to the fact that we are exploring space just fine from our computer chairs. No one actually had to be in space to take those pictures.
Didn't they have to do a space walk to repair or adjust the telescope because it was taking blurry pictures? It seems someone did need to be in space for us to see these pictures!
You say that keeping a whale in captivity for education and entertainment is wrong, because it dies sooner than in the wild (which btw is not proven by this single grandmother killer whale). But I am just curious: the beef and pork you eat is also 'grown' in cages. We over eat purely for entertainment (you cannot convince me we need a 400g steak, that is entertainment), and since kids have to learn how to prepare food, it will be used for education too. So how is that different?
Maybe it's not. But industrialized animal farming is pretty fucked up too.
'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."
So, what does that statement mean then? In what ways are we "managing" the ionosphere and for what purposes? I have been down quiet a number of conspiracy rabbit holes, and this one never really grabbed me. It's long on speculation and suspicion but short on actual reasons for thinking HAARP is used for no-good. But I agree, when people make comments like this, it makes me wonder what it is used for.
Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?
Similar to the underlying storyline in the movie The Matrix, I’m of the ever-increasing opinion that the US public is viewed as (literally) a cash crop by people who trade in tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. Top 1% income type of people. If we’re over-farmed, we’ll rebel. But if we’re fed and nurtured, told it’s for our own good, even made to believe that if we buy stocks we can come along for the ride; the money will slowly move from our pockets to that top 1%. We think because we made 8-18% on our investment portfolio we’re doing ok, being good citizens, and saving for our retirement. But we don’t realize we overpaid by 20-60% for the goods and services to make that happen*.
As he says in that clip, the table is tilted, the game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. The upper class sits at the top of a system that funnels money to them from the rest of us. Whether that is by accident or design is open to interpretation. But I think you are right about how we are viewed by the.1%. Here's another interesting viewpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The FCC should focus on ensuring fair standards for access and content delivery, and set rules accordingly. Let local governments deal with monopolistic entities if the wish, as every situation is different.
I think the point is that the FCC does not have that authority, unless the ISP's are declared common carriers like the phone companies.
PRISM compliant as in custom ASICs mandatory to be stamped on all new logic boards (motherboards, routers, etc)?! That's next. They will be silent sentinels listening in on the bus. Speed and performance will be sacrificed for homeland security.
What? You actually think the heroes in office know anything about what they regulate?! Man, you haven't a fucking clue what those monkeys in office do.
How did we get from ISP's being regulated like utilities to government mandating what gets printed in circuits? Does the FCC mandate how electrical transformers are built?
Don't forget World War 2, when the Nazis made up claims about anarchists with explosives in order to justify their abuses.
Or like now, when the US government uses the threat of terrorism to spy on it's own citizens, curtail their rights, increase it's military and intelligence budgets and roll it's armies around the world. It's the oldest trick in the book, and it still works.
bombing. The response to this was to have about 3-4 thousand police soldiers(DEA, FBI, staties, and local) show up and shut down about 3 cities here in Massachusetts for a day. I've heard the cost of the shut down was on the order of 300-400 million dollars. Should I point out this was to stop 2 idiots(with little training) with a couple of pressure cooker bombs, some pipe bombs, and a pistol. Wonder what that cost, maybe a thousand dollars? (Geez, if Al-Qaeda wants to hurt us by warfare on the cheap that response given to how much it must of cost would be absolutely no deterrent.
My favorite part was that the kid was found outside their search perimeter, by a guy going out to have a cigarette. The police locked down three cities and didn't even find the kid!
This is just practice for ensuring no one ever tries to defeat "national security" which means maintaining the social, economic and political status quo even against the will of the people. What's scariest is how easy "citizens" allow themselves to be fooled into paying for oppressive police states they actually do not want. It's like they've not learned a thing from their Declaration of Independence or founding fathers teachings about the folly of trading rights for security.
It seems history has at least one more cycle left to repeat. This isn't analogous to an allergic reaction reaction at all. This is consciously planned out social engineering, and if you think otherwise, you're just ignorant of the facts about your country that have been common knowledge for decades. The 70's did happen, you know. Pentagon Papers ring a bell? Read any FOIA docs recently?
Most Americans I have contact with have little understanding of social engineering, if they even know the concept. Sure, advertisers try to get you to buy things, and the news media want ratings, but they think that's as far as it goes. The idea that society is being pushed in a particular direction for particular purposes starts to get into the realm of conspiracy theory for them. They can't see the mechanism and don't understand the coordination.
Look what happened years ago when Tom Ridge said something about sealing your windows against a gas or biological attack. There was a run on cellophane and duct tape! People these days may be a bit more jaded about terrorism, but they still do what the people on TV tell them to do, and think what they tell them to think. There are different flavors for different tastes, but the result is still to corral the herd. The evidence is there that we are being manipulated and managed, but most people won't seek it out because they don't even think it exists. Even if you show it to them, we all know people will ignore evidence in favor of their established world view. They like living in the world that has been constructed for them.
Just recently I saw a massive police overreaction (closing off a block of downtown DC in front of a university hospital, complete with police abusing citizens) just because some student left her backpack lying around. If this is all it takes to provoke this sort of reaction, and if a few phone calls can get someone "swatted", then why the hell does al-Qaeda bother with bombings and flying planes into things? Send over a few sleeper cells with nondescript bags and boxes and watch the panic fly.
Because America is scared shitless, that's why. The terrorists have won. Of course, discovering who the terrorists are is another trick. Al Qaeda is only one aspect.
anyhow, HOW FUCKING EASY WAS IT TO ORDER A SWAT HIT ? ? they did any fact checking before bursting in? any investigations? did they even fucking change their routines to prevent people from ordering swat hits on random places at will??? like what the fuck, easier to order a bunch of guys to come over with loaded guns than to order pizza?
The militarization of police forces is making criminals of us all. Think you have the right to be secure in your home? Think again.
They shoot first (only your dog if you're lucky) and ask questions maybe later, maybe. As Chief Wiggum told us years ago, the police are powerless to help you, not punish you.
Then take a look at some of these mindless baby-factories, pumping out a kid every 12-18 months (each time with a different father because the idiot who couldn't even bring himself to use a condom or some sort of spermicidal jelly can't support them on no job or a McJob and has run away) and her idiot brood who's sucking the public teat to live off welfare.
I'm not saying it's nice, or doable, or humane.
But it IS a case of "Jerkass Has A Point".
The 1980's called, it wants its stereotype back. And no, Jerkass, you don't have a point. Sure, some people have a hard time in life and make poor decisions. So you advocate killing them and their offspring? That's disgusting. What kind of person are you?
For thousands of years, people have been reporting contact with various and sundry non-human entities. Today people talk about aliens, in the past people talked about fairies, in the distant past people spoke of Gods, angels and demons who walked among them. I'm not prepared to go the full von Däniken and declare that is precisely what has been happening but I don't discount the possibility either.
If humanity has had encounters with extraterrestrial life forms, you don't think everyday people would know about it yet. Do you?
Remember this "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet." - Agent Kay
LK
I would agree. If you research the reports given by modern military personnel about strange occurrences in the sky, during missile testing and at at military bases, it seems like something is going on. It's hard to say what, given the amount of secret testing of various technologies that we do. But I think the possibility of alien contact shouldn't be discounted.
I personally believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. If that is the case, they would have to develop technology beyond our current understanding in order to travel here. My guess is that they would have to be able to access dimensions beyond the 3+1 that we can perceive so they could get around the relativistic effects of near-light-speed travel and have the time to get anywhere (light speed is too slow for inter-stellar travel). In order to get to that technological level, their society would have to be stable over a long period of time; much longer than our civilization. I suspect that means at least a sustainable economic and resource-management structure, and the elimination of war as a way to solve problems and get what one wants. In short, they must have learned to live together in relative harmony to get where they are.
Peaceful coexistence is something we still struggle with. Plenty of people on this planet still prefer power over others. Many of us also still hold outdated spiritual and religious beliefs. Basically we still have ignorant, fearful, coercive civilizations. If extraterrestrials were to arrive here and make their presence known, we would have two basic reactions: worship or war. Some people would worship the aliens as gods and others would want to attack them out of fear. Neither outcome would be good for them or us (remember, they likely have eliminated domination and conquest from their motives, so they would not want to be worshiped).
Any race advanced enough to travel here would be advanced enough to know that we are not equipped to deal with contact with them. At least not on a wide, public scale. We are still too primitive, mentally and spiritually. They would likely just hang back and observe, waiting to see if we can learn to live together, or kill each other over power and resources. Giving advanced alien technology to a race as primitive as ours would be like giving a handgun to a toddler. They would know this too, and it would be one more reason for them to remain hidden. I doubt they would help us until they could be sure we could be mature and responsible. And we are neither of those things yet.
So I suspect that the best thing the original questioner can do is to establish a reputation as the person who never answers calls in the car.
This is what I have done. Everyone who knows me knows that I don't answer the phone in the car. If I need to make a call I pull over. Personally, talking on the phone while driving is uncomfortable. I can feel that my attention is being split and I can't pay attention to driving the way I'd like to. So I don't do it, no app required.
I answer calls in my car all the time. Sometimes it's from the wife, sometimes a job. If you can't drive safely while holding a phone to your ear, you don't deserve to be on the road. There are distractions everywhere.
Police car over there, make sure I'm driving ok.
Ambulance siren; where is it? Do I have to change lanes?
Damn short green arrow, maybe I can floor it and make it through.
Hey, I like this song. "Sweeeeet Hoooome Alabama"
So, when that girl last night looked at me, I should have said....
And on and on.
If you are getting in accidents because you are talking to someone who isn't in the car with you, stop driving.
And, no, none of my accidents have been because I was on a cell phone. Or drunk/high.
The thing is, there have been studies that show that talking on the phone while driving impairs the driver's ability. It's not a hands-free thing, or an I'm-a-great-multitasker thing, it's a brain processing thing. The brain cannot effectively split its attention between holding a conversation and driving attentively.
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What in the patriot act gives them this power?
You don't need the power officially. They have ways of getting what they want.
And here
I'm not saying anything in particular about Cisco's vulnerability to pressure from the NSA. I'm just saying they don't necessarily need explicit legal power to get what they want.
In other words, I hold YOU responsible for Obama. Thanks for helping nigger up the country.
Now hold on a minute. You just said yourself that it takes a nigger to nigger things up, but you don't even know if I'm black! I'll bet you feel stupid now, eh?
Another testament to the fact that we are exploring space just fine from our computer chairs. No one actually had to be in space to take those pictures.
Didn't they have to do a space walk to repair or adjust the telescope because it was taking blurry pictures? It seems someone did need to be in space for us to see these pictures!
Ah, interesting. Do you mean they bounce such signals off the ionosphere? If so, how does that require management of the ionosphere?
You say that keeping a whale in captivity for education and entertainment is wrong, because it dies sooner than in the wild (which btw is not proven by this single grandmother killer whale). But I am just curious: the beef and pork you eat is also 'grown' in cages. We over eat purely for entertainment (you cannot convince me we need a 400g steak, that is entertainment), and since kids have to learn how to prepare food, it will be used for education too. So how is that different?
Maybe it's not. But industrialized animal farming is pretty fucked up too.
So, what does that statement mean then? In what ways are we "managing" the ionosphere and for what purposes? I have been down quiet a number of conspiracy rabbit holes, and this one never really grabbed me. It's long on speculation and suspicion but short on actual reasons for thinking HAARP is used for no-good. But I agree, when people make comments like this, it makes me wonder what it is used for.
Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?
Similar to the underlying storyline in the movie The Matrix, I’m of the ever-increasing opinion that the US public is viewed as (literally) a cash crop by people who trade in tens and hundreds of millions of dollars. Top 1% income type of people. If we’re over-farmed, we’ll rebel. But if we’re fed and nurtured, told it’s for our own good, even made to believe that if we buy stocks we can come along for the ride; the money will slowly move from our pockets to that top 1%. We think because we made 8-18% on our investment portfolio we’re doing ok, being good citizens, and saving for our retirement. But we don’t realize we overpaid by 20-60% for the goods and services to make that happen*.
Ah, you're awake, good. Welcome to the machine. Good old George Carlin put it well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
As he says in that clip, the table is tilted, the game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. The upper class sits at the top of a system that funnels money to them from the rest of us. Whether that is by accident or design is open to interpretation. But I think you are right about how we are viewed by the .1%. Here's another interesting viewpoint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
The FCC should focus on ensuring fair standards for access and content delivery, and set rules accordingly. Let local governments deal with monopolistic entities if the wish, as every situation is different.
I think the point is that the FCC does not have that authority, unless the ISP's are declared common carriers like the phone companies.
PRISM compliant as in custom ASICs mandatory to be stamped on all new logic boards (motherboards, routers, etc)?! That's next. They will be silent sentinels listening in on the bus. Speed and performance will be sacrificed for homeland security.
What? You actually think the heroes in office know anything about what they regulate?! Man, you haven't a fucking clue what those monkeys in office do.
How did we get from ISP's being regulated like utilities to government mandating what gets printed in circuits? Does the FCC mandate how electrical transformers are built?
Don't forget World War 2, when the Nazis made up claims about anarchists with explosives in order to justify their abuses.
Or like now, when the US government uses the threat of terrorism to spy on it's own citizens, curtail their rights, increase it's military and intelligence budgets and roll it's armies around the world. It's the oldest trick in the book, and it still works.
bombing. The response to this was to have about 3-4 thousand police soldiers(DEA, FBI, staties, and local) show up and shut down about 3 cities here in Massachusetts for a day. I've heard the cost of the shut down was on the order of 300-400 million dollars. Should I point out this was to stop 2 idiots(with little training) with a couple of pressure cooker bombs, some pipe bombs, and a pistol. Wonder what that cost, maybe a thousand dollars? (Geez, if Al-Qaeda wants to hurt us by warfare on the cheap that response given to how much it must of cost would be absolutely no deterrent.
My favorite part was that the kid was found outside their search perimeter, by a guy going out to have a cigarette. The police locked down three cities and didn't even find the kid!
This is just practice for ensuring no one ever tries to defeat "national security" which means maintaining the social, economic and political status quo even against the will of the people. What's scariest is how easy "citizens" allow themselves to be fooled into paying for oppressive police states they actually do not want. It's like they've not learned a thing from their Declaration of Independence or founding fathers teachings about the folly of trading rights for security.
It seems history has at least one more cycle left to repeat. This isn't analogous to an allergic reaction reaction at all. This is consciously planned out social engineering, and if you think otherwise, you're just ignorant of the facts about your country that have been common knowledge for decades. The 70's did happen, you know. Pentagon Papers ring a bell? Read any FOIA docs recently?
Most Americans I have contact with have little understanding of social engineering, if they even know the concept. Sure, advertisers try to get you to buy things, and the news media want ratings, but they think that's as far as it goes. The idea that society is being pushed in a particular direction for particular purposes starts to get into the realm of conspiracy theory for them. They can't see the mechanism and don't understand the coordination.
Look what happened years ago when Tom Ridge said something about sealing your windows against a gas or biological attack. There was a run on cellophane and duct tape! People these days may be a bit more jaded about terrorism, but they still do what the people on TV tell them to do, and think what they tell them to think. There are different flavors for different tastes, but the result is still to corral the herd. The evidence is there that we are being manipulated and managed, but most people won't seek it out because they don't even think it exists. Even if you show it to them, we all know people will ignore evidence in favor of their established world view. They like living in the world that has been constructed for them.
Lt. Gen. Mahmud Ahmed would agree, n'est pas?
It isn't. The purpose of terrorism, as per its definition, is to coerce a people into political change by the use or threat of force.
By that definition, and seeing what has happened over the last 13 years, I'd say the terrorists have won.
Just recently I saw a massive police overreaction (closing off a block of downtown DC in front of a university hospital, complete with police abusing citizens) just because some student left her backpack lying around. If this is all it takes to provoke this sort of reaction, and if a few phone calls can get someone "swatted", then why the hell does al-Qaeda bother with bombings and flying planes into things? Send over a few sleeper cells with nondescript bags and boxes and watch the panic fly.
Because America is scared shitless, that's why. The terrorists have won. Of course, discovering who the terrorists are is another trick. Al Qaeda is only one aspect.
anyhow, HOW FUCKING EASY WAS IT TO ORDER A SWAT HIT ? ? they did any fact checking before bursting in? any investigations? did they even fucking change their routines to prevent people from ordering swat hits on random places at will??? like what the fuck, easier to order a bunch of guys to come over with loaded guns than to order pizza?
The militarization of police forces is making criminals of us all. Think you have the right to be secure in your home? Think again.
http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/overkill-rise-paramilitary-police-raids-america
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2014/02/04/scenes-from-a-militarized-america-iowa-family-terrorized/
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21599349-americas-police-have-become-too-militarised-cops-or-soldiers
They shoot first (only your dog if you're lucky) and ask questions maybe later, maybe. As Chief Wiggum told us years ago, the police are powerless to help you, not punish you.
Then take a look at some of these mindless baby-factories, pumping out a kid every 12-18 months (each time with a different father because the idiot who couldn't even bring himself to use a condom or some sort of spermicidal jelly can't support them on no job or a McJob and has run away) and her idiot brood who's sucking the public teat to live off welfare.
I'm not saying it's nice, or doable, or humane.
But it IS a case of "Jerkass Has A Point".
The 1980's called, it wants its stereotype back. And no, Jerkass, you don't have a point. Sure, some people have a hard time in life and make poor decisions. So you advocate killing them and their offspring? That's disgusting. What kind of person are you?
For thousands of years, people have been reporting contact with various and sundry non-human entities. Today people talk about aliens, in the past people talked about fairies, in the distant past people spoke of Gods, angels and demons who walked among them. I'm not prepared to go the full von Däniken and declare that is precisely what has been happening but I don't discount the possibility either.
If humanity has had encounters with extraterrestrial life forms, you don't think everyday people would know about it yet. Do you?
Remember this "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet." - Agent Kay
LK
I would agree. If you research the reports given by modern military personnel about strange occurrences in the sky, during missile testing and at at military bases, it seems like something is going on. It's hard to say what, given the amount of secret testing of various technologies that we do. But I think the possibility of alien contact shouldn't be discounted.
I personally believe there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. If that is the case, they would have to develop technology beyond our current understanding in order to travel here. My guess is that they would have to be able to access dimensions beyond the 3+1 that we can perceive so they could get around the relativistic effects of near-light-speed travel and have the time to get anywhere (light speed is too slow for inter-stellar travel). In order to get to that technological level, their society would have to be stable over a long period of time; much longer than our civilization. I suspect that means at least a sustainable economic and resource-management structure, and the elimination of war as a way to solve problems and get what one wants. In short, they must have learned to live together in relative harmony to get where they are.
Peaceful coexistence is something we still struggle with. Plenty of people on this planet still prefer power over others. Many of us also still hold outdated spiritual and religious beliefs. Basically we still have ignorant, fearful, coercive civilizations. If extraterrestrials were to arrive here and make their presence known, we would have two basic reactions: worship or war. Some people would worship the aliens as gods and others would want to attack them out of fear. Neither outcome would be good for them or us (remember, they likely have eliminated domination and conquest from their motives, so they would not want to be worshiped).
Any race advanced enough to travel here would be advanced enough to know that we are not equipped to deal with contact with them. At least not on a wide, public scale. We are still too primitive, mentally and spiritually. They would likely just hang back and observe, waiting to see if we can learn to live together, or kill each other over power and resources. Giving advanced alien technology to a race as primitive as ours would be like giving a handgun to a toddler. They would know this too, and it would be one more reason for them to remain hidden. I doubt they would help us until they could be sure we could be mature and responsible. And we are neither of those things yet.
It's perfectly legal to track vehicles on PUBLIC roads. Don't like it build (and pay for) your own road network.
Yeah, I'll get right on that...
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Dude, nobody cares.
Welcome to the modern world, where self-restraint is so last century.
So I suspect that the best thing the original questioner can do is to establish a reputation as the person who never answers calls in the car.
This is what I have done. Everyone who knows me knows that I don't answer the phone in the car. If I need to make a call I pull over. Personally, talking on the phone while driving is uncomfortable. I can feel that my attention is being split and I can't pay attention to driving the way I'd like to. So I don't do it, no app required.
I answer calls in my car all the time. Sometimes it's from the wife, sometimes a job. If you can't drive safely while holding a phone to your ear, you don't deserve to be on the road. There are distractions everywhere.
Police car over there, make sure I'm driving ok. Ambulance siren; where is it? Do I have to change lanes? Damn short green arrow, maybe I can floor it and make it through. Hey, I like this song. "Sweeeeet Hoooome Alabama" So, when that girl last night looked at me, I should have said ....
And on and on.
If you are getting in accidents because you are talking to someone who isn't in the car with you, stop driving.
And, no, none of my accidents have been because I was on a cell phone. Or drunk/high.
The thing is, there have been studies that show that talking on the phone while driving impairs the driver's ability. It's not a hands-free thing, or an I'm-a-great-multitasker thing, it's a brain processing thing. The brain cannot effectively split its attention between holding a conversation and driving attentively.