First of all, as the other guy noted: Icecast is a clone of ShoutCast. I know because I followed the development since the beginning of WinAMP.
Now for my part: I think the point of ShoutCast, is to be the largest and best directory of MP3 stream( radio)s on the net. The stream server? Nobody cares about that. There are lots of better alternatives, as you stated. Build a clone of shoutcast.com, offer the radios a better deal, and *bam* shoutcast.com and the server software vanish from reality. The radio stations only care about in-stream advertising anyway. And since that is their financing model, there is nobody who cares about any DRM. There is no point.
Open source software needs to set an example by respecting the licenses under which code is provided. Otherwise, we have no moral authority to go after companies that violate the GPL and demand that they post their code.
So let me rephrase that:
“We need to set an example by respecting them raping our asses when we don’t buy into their perverse delusions. Otherwise we have no moral authority to rape them when they don’t buy into our version of that perverse delusion.”
Thing is: We don’t! Because they don’t!
Because there is no right to information you already passed on for free! Too late. Boo hoo! Should have demanded whatever you wanted in return when you passed it on! Cry me a river! Both (sides) of you!
No wonder you fail so hard against these “IP” cartel criminals! You did completely buy into their reality!
If you call others delusional and compare them to things that are based on fantasy logic, maybe you should avoid doing exactly that yourself. ^^
Just because most of the business world acts as if ideas were solid touchable objects that you could grab, move and sell, doesn’t mean it’s grounded in physical reality, let alone morally right.
(imagines someone going:) Eat shit, fuckin' AOL CD!! *sticks the CD into a heap of dog shit* (alternatively imagines someone shooting the CD, and then doing this)...who says they don’t eat poop and never need shots? Makes perfect sense to me!;)
Uuum, you got that logic wrong: Smith isn’t really getting paid enough BECAUSE he does never object strongly. Also, if you want to go impress others, you’re not much of a leader, are you? Let alone secure in your sense of reality.
Well, with electricity you can always drive even more desalination plants. Especially in sunny countries surrounded by beaches, I call this a non-issue.
But it’s nice to finally see something happening. Just think of when the first country announces that it’s now 100% free from oil. Everyone will want to follow. It has become fashionable. I just wonder where all the plastics will come from then.:/
Note the “some” weasel word. There are always nutjobs more crazy than you.;)
But that is how “the media” works, right?
I bet 99.0% of what are actual environmentalists, wholeheartedly embrace this, and the rest tries to find if this has flaws too (on itself not a bad idea).
But those that go mad about it, are not actually environmentalists at all. They are not called that. They are called nutjobs. The teabagger-like splinter group. Ignore them. Don’t call them environmentalists. It’s insulting everyone who cares about nature. (Which is anyone who cares about us surviving, actually.)
Just think I would have said “some Americans” instead of just “crazy nutjob ‘teabaggers’”. That just wouldn’t have been nice, would it?
Well, maybe I sounded a bit aggressive. I was actually a bit angry at that moment. And Apple fanbois did the rest.;) Never underestimate religious people. They may be crazy, but they are still powerful!
How do you manage to pack so much uninformed blabbing in such a little comment?
Ever heard of pumped-storage hydroelectricity. I know for a fact that this is what they are using, connected with HVDC lines.
And yes: With that, 400x400 km of solar power plants (the numbers are based on solar thermal ones) suffice for the entire world! Which is such a ridiculously small area, that even a tenfold rise in energy usage (then using 1265x1265 km) would still be pretty small.
Also, what are your alternatives, hm? Nuclear? Well the uranium actually is gone even before the oil it. Solar cells in orbit? Yes, great. Call me in 50 years when they are actually feasible. Oil? Don’t make me laugh! Wind? Now you’re just plain silly.
But what am I doing, trying to argue with someone as sure and yet as uninformed as you, anyway?
No. I’ve seen the plans. It’s Siemens (biggest German tech company btw.), providing them with HVDC lines that go straight to some Pumped-storage hydroelectricity dams/seas in the north, so that it works 24 hours a day.
I haven’t thought about the shifting dunes. Apart from them, it’s a really good concept.
I’ve said for years, that this is the best way of all to generate power and become independent from oil. Except that they must be solar thermal power plants, not solar cells! They are cheaper to build and to maintain, only need abundant materials, and are dead simple. I’ve seen the plans, and the idea is to use HVDC cables from the Sahara to the fjords and seas of the north. Then you can go and pump water up some dams/seas as very-large-scale energy storage at day, and use that energy like normal dams at night, giving you 24/7 energy availability. It actually looks like a really good plan for a change.
It’s funny how some idiots here blab about dependencies, while driving a car fueled with oil, from countries that they are at war with. Yeah, makes total sense! If I have to be dependent (and for Europe there is not enough free sunny space to build those things), then I prefer it to be Africa. At least then there may be a chance of them being able to get something from us for a change, instead of us taking everything from them. But, considering how e.g. Shell treated Africa, I don’t think that African countries will have a big chance with this new type of energy companies. It’s probably mostly the same people doing it anyway.
iPod? Sorry, we only work on curing baldness, and making erections work longer.
(As there is no way to link to it, I’m including the quote here. Just imagine I would have linked to it;) “The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources were focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.” — Narrator Idiocracy (2006)
Perhaps before starting to add the insulation, they should start with building them with actual brick walls, instead of cardboard and toothpicks.;) Or the whole thing might fall apart.
Your straw man arguments fail to make us fall for it. We did not talk about lithium chloride vapor to get into the atmosphere, but only lithium. We did also not talk about it having to be vapor. “Dust” suffices.
For me the basic rule for chemicals is, that if I don’t know if it’s good or bad, then it’s bad until proven good. And lithium chloride definitely is more in the bad area than in the good one. I’m not going to get in a room with that stuff, until all effects and all cross-reactions are studied and proven to be OK by trustworthy sources.
Does it matter? If you follow a document, written by mentally ill people, written for mentally ill people, you’ve already lost to begin with, in my book. (Protip: From all things evil in this world, there is exactly one book that by far the most people were killed for. [The sequel tries hard to catch up, but still has a long way to go.])
But even if you “just” blindly follow any rule set... meaning that you never really deeply thought yourself about what you consider right and wrong, and why... you’re already way on the losing side.
As a little eye-opener, think about how much of the line of argument from “thou shall not kill” down to basic physics you got covered. And how many of them are just mere repetitions of what you thought all your life would be true, but never checked. (Last time someone tried to ridicule this, by asking me, if he now should also put his hand on a cooking plate again, to check if it’s still burning him. Which is a great example of exactly what I mean. Since induction cooking plates actually aren’t hot and wouldn’t have burned him.)
Don’t think I’m attacking you here. (Let alone trolling.) I was, and often still are, just as much a victim of this socially conditioned truthinesses, as I never had a own set of values for most of my life. I was a trained cattle, living in a tiny box of rules, made by other people. And I thought it was normal and willingly accepted it as just how it is. I think, the more people switch from passive to active existence, the better off we are. Even if we both would strongly disagree, I’m happier it’s because of you personally, than because of some stupid book from some power-greedy bastard with too much ego. Because at least you will have the arguments, to tell me, why I am wrong, and so I might learn from my errors.:)
Waddaya mean “commercial sales’? It’s paid by the taxpayer, and so everyone of us (writing as a German taxpayer) must have access to it. Or else I think it is pretty much illegal.
And if everyone has access to it, and has already paid for it, who’s gonna pay for it again? Can people really be that stupid to do this?......who am I kidding?:/
You say that as if it were bad. First of all, the tiny bit of slowness you pay is for a lot of stability and security. And second of all, except for the Apple and MS phones, all phones on the market run Java apps. So you instantly get them working everywhere. (No, having to add switches for cases of different APIs being available because of different hardware features, does not void “Write once, run everywhere.“.) I think that’s a good deal.
But if you want, go ahead and re-invent the wheels of memory management, security and everything in your primitive old C/C++, and get a cracker to use your app to get into phones because you missed something anyway.;)
I’m fed up with C/C++ coders acting as if it were so supreme to go against the basic rule of programming, to use libraries instead of writing things over and over, for a often only imaginary speed gain. Also if you dare to bring the “more powerful language“ argument, I raise you Haskell with GHC, and wipe the floor with you!;)
I could either write my game with C/C++ and OpenGL ES and with minimal tweakage, release on it Symbian/UIQ (50.3%) the most dominant platform running real games, and being blocked from the Apple (13.7%*) store for having a “evil word” in it.
Or I just write it in Java, giving me the ability to run it on every phone on the damn planet, except for the Apple and Microsoft lock-in-infected ones, while still having full speed because modern phones already support all the important APIs in Java (OpenGL ES, Multimedia APIs on the level of EAX HD, Location API, storage, etc):)
Disclaimer: I’m a mobile phone game developer, and if you got a Apple or MS phone, that’s your own damn fault. (Although if you pay me a lot of money, I might use a trick to get them to run on your unlocked Apple phone. For Windows there in no JVM, last time I looked, so I can’t offer that there.
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Yeah. For the 2 users who kept using it, after it became the steaming shit pile that is Amarok 2.x. ;)
First of all, as the other guy noted: Icecast is a clone of ShoutCast. I know because I followed the development since the beginning of WinAMP.
Now for my part:
I think the point of ShoutCast, is to be the largest and best directory of MP3 stream( radio)s on the net. The stream server? Nobody cares about that. There are lots of better alternatives, as you stated.
Build a clone of shoutcast.com, offer the radios a better deal, and *bam* shoutcast.com and the server software vanish from reality.
The radio stations only care about in-stream advertising anyway. And since that is their financing model, there is nobody who cares about any DRM. There is no point.
Open source software needs to set an example by respecting the licenses under which code is provided. Otherwise, we have no moral authority to go after companies that violate the GPL and demand that they post their code.
So let me rephrase that:
“We need to set an example by respecting them raping our asses when we don’t buy into their perverse delusions. Otherwise we have no moral authority to rape them when they don’t buy into our version of that perverse delusion.”
Thing is: We don’t!
Because they don’t!
Because there is no right to information you already passed on for free! Too late. Boo hoo! Should have demanded whatever you wanted in return when you passed it on! Cry me a river! Both (sides) of you!
No wonder you fail so hard against these “IP” cartel criminals! You did completely buy into their reality!
Intellectual ... WHAT??
If you call others delusional and compare them to things that are based on fantasy logic, maybe you should avoid doing exactly that yourself. ^^
Just because most of the business world acts as if ideas were solid touchable objects that you could grab, move and sell, doesn’t mean it’s grounded in physical reality, let alone morally right.
(imagines someone going:) ...who says they don’t eat poop and never need shots? ;)
Eat shit, fuckin' AOL CD!!
*sticks the CD into a heap of dog shit*
(alternatively imagines someone shooting the CD, and then doing this)
Makes perfect sense to me!
By the way: Thank you for letting us host every illegal file in the history of mankind on your system! You’re truly a (evil) geek’s greatest friend! ;)
Wow, way to show the white feather, pussies!
Didn’t you learn anything from 300?
GIVE THEM NOTHING, BUT TAKE FROM THEM EVERYTHING!
Our injunctions will blot out the server!
Then we will code off the net!
This is illegal! This is frivolous!
THIS! IS! OPENSOURCE!
*kicks AOL into obsoletion*
At the end of this day, people will know, that even a multinational corporation can go bankrupt!
Uuum, you got that logic wrong: Smith isn’t really getting paid enough BECAUSE he does never object strongly.
Also, if you want to go impress others, you’re not much of a leader, are you? Let alone secure in your sense of reality.
I just invented a new saying:
“It always takes two, for bullshit to get trough.”
What is a crazy person, without the spineless cattle buying into it?
It’s just as much the fault of the second, as it is of the first.
Well, with electricity you can always drive even more desalination plants. Especially in sunny countries surrounded by beaches, I call this a non-issue.
But it’s nice to finally see something happening. Just think of when the first country announces that it’s now 100% free from oil. Everyone will want to follow. It has become fashionable. :/
I just wonder where all the plastics will come from then.
Some environmental groups have warned
Note the “some” weasel word. ;)
There are always nutjobs more crazy than you.
But that is how “the media” works, right?
I bet 99.0% of what are actual environmentalists, wholeheartedly embrace this, and the rest tries to find if this has flaws too (on itself not a bad idea).
But those that go mad about it, are not actually environmentalists at all. They are not called that.
They are called nutjobs. The teabagger-like splinter group.
Ignore them. Don’t call them environmentalists. It’s insulting everyone who cares about nature. (Which is anyone who cares about us surviving, actually.)
Just think I would have said “some Americans” instead of just “crazy nutjob ‘teabaggers’”. That just wouldn’t have been nice, would it?
Well, maybe I sounded a bit aggressive. I was actually a bit angry at that moment. And Apple fanbois did the rest. ;)
Never underestimate religious people. They may be crazy, but they are still powerful!
How do you manage to pack so much uninformed blabbing in such a little comment?
Ever heard of pumped-storage hydroelectricity. I know for a fact that this is what they are using, connected with HVDC lines.
And yes: With that, 400x400 km of solar power plants (the numbers are based on solar thermal ones) suffice for the entire world! Which is such a ridiculously small area, that even a tenfold rise in energy usage (then using 1265x1265 km) would still be pretty small.
Also, what are your alternatives, hm?
Nuclear? Well the uranium actually is gone even before the oil it.
Solar cells in orbit? Yes, great. Call me in 50 years when they are actually feasible.
Oil? Don’t make me laugh!
Wind? Now you’re just plain silly.
But what am I doing, trying to argue with someone as sure and yet as uninformed as you, anyway?
No. I’ve seen the plans. It’s Siemens (biggest German tech company btw.), providing them with HVDC lines that go straight to some Pumped-storage hydroelectricity dams/seas in the north, so that it works 24 hours a day.
I haven’t thought about the shifting dunes. Apart from them, it’s a really good concept.
I’ve said for years, that this is the best way of all to generate power and become independent from oil.
Except that they must be solar thermal power plants, not solar cells! They are cheaper to build and to maintain, only need abundant materials, and are dead simple.
I’ve seen the plans, and the idea is to use HVDC cables from the Sahara to the fjords and seas of the north. Then you can go and pump water up some dams/seas as very-large-scale energy storage at day, and use that energy like normal dams at night, giving you 24/7 energy availability.
It actually looks like a really good plan for a change.
It’s funny how some idiots here blab about dependencies, while driving a car fueled with oil, from countries that they are at war with. Yeah, makes total sense!
If I have to be dependent (and for Europe there is not enough free sunny space to build those things), then I prefer it to be Africa. At least then there may be a chance of them being able to get something from us for a change, instead of us taking everything from them.
But, considering how e.g. Shell treated Africa, I don’t think that African countries will have a big chance with this new type of energy companies. It’s probably mostly the same people doing it anyway.
iPod? Sorry, we only work on curing baldness, and making erections work longer.
(As there is no way to link to it, I’m including the quote here. Just imagine I would have linked to it ;)
“The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources were focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections.”
— Narrator
Idiocracy (2006)
Perhaps before starting to add the insulation, they should start with building them with actual brick walls, instead of cardboard and toothpicks. ;)
Or the whole thing might fall apart.
Your straw man arguments fail to make us fall for it.
We did not talk about lithium chloride vapor to get into the atmosphere, but only lithium. We did also not talk about it having to be vapor. “Dust” suffices.
Photonic fluids flow down mirrored tubes by themselves. :P
For me the basic rule for chemicals is, that if I don’t know if it’s good or bad, then it’s bad until proven good.
And lithium chloride definitely is more in the bad area than in the good one.
I’m not going to get in a room with that stuff, until all effects and all cross-reactions are studied and proven to be OK by trustworthy sources.
Does it matter? If you follow a document, written by mentally ill people, written for mentally ill people, you’ve already lost to begin with, in my book. (Protip: From all things evil in this world, there is exactly one book that by far the most people were killed for. [The sequel tries hard to catch up, but still has a long way to go.])
But even if you “just” blindly follow any rule set... meaning that you never really deeply thought yourself about what you consider right and wrong, and why... you’re already way on the losing side.
As a little eye-opener, think about how much of the line of argument from “thou shall not kill” down to basic physics you got covered. And how many of them are just mere repetitions of what you thought all your life would be true, but never checked.
(Last time someone tried to ridicule this, by asking me, if he now should also put his hand on a cooking plate again, to check if it’s still burning him. Which is a great example of exactly what I mean. Since induction cooking plates actually aren’t hot and wouldn’t have burned him.)
Don’t think I’m attacking you here. (Let alone trolling.) I was, and often still are, just as much a victim of this socially conditioned truthinesses, as I never had a own set of values for most of my life. I was a trained cattle, living in a tiny box of rules, made by other people. And I thought it was normal and willingly accepted it as just how it is. :)
I think, the more people switch from passive to active existence, the better off we are. Even if we both would strongly disagree, I’m happier it’s because of you personally, than because of some stupid book from some power-greedy bastard with too much ego. Because at least you will have the arguments, to tell me, why I am wrong, and so I might learn from my errors.
Waddaya mean “commercial sales’? It’s paid by the taxpayer, and so everyone of us (writing as a German taxpayer) must have access to it. Or else I think it is pretty much illegal.
And if everyone has access to it, and has already paid for it, who’s gonna pay for it again? ... ...who am I kidding? :/
Can people really be that stupid to do this?
You say that as if it were bad. First of all, the tiny bit of slowness you pay is for a lot of stability and security.
And second of all, except for the Apple and MS phones, all phones on the market run Java apps. So you instantly get them working everywhere. (No, having to add switches for cases of different APIs being available because of different hardware features, does not void “Write once, run everywhere.“.)
I think that’s a good deal.
But if you want, go ahead and re-invent the wheels of memory management, security and everything in your primitive old C/C++, and get a cracker to use your app to get into phones because you missed something anyway. ;)
I’m fed up with C/C++ coders acting as if it were so supreme to go against the basic rule of programming, to use libraries instead of writing things over and over, for a often only imaginary speed gain. ;)
Also if you dare to bring the “more powerful language“ argument, I raise you Haskell with GHC, and wipe the floor with you!
I could either write my game with C/C++ and OpenGL ES and with minimal tweakage, release on it Symbian/UIQ (50.3%) the most dominant platform running real games, and being blocked from the Apple (13.7%*) store for having a “evil word” in it.
Or I just write it in Java, giving me the ability to run it on every phone on the damn planet, except for the Apple and Microsoft lock-in-infected ones, while still having full speed because modern phones already support all the important APIs in Java (OpenGL ES, Multimedia APIs on the level of EAX HD, Location API, storage, etc) :)
Disclaimer: I’m a mobile phone game developer, and if you got a Apple or MS phone, that’s your own damn fault. (Although if you pay me a lot of money, I might use a trick to get them to run on your unlocked Apple phone. For Windows there in no JVM, last time I looked, so I can’t offer that there.
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But it has won eight Oscars!