I know somebody that has a rig that does 1700 million hashes per second and uses 1000 watts (using 4 ATI 6970's). If you plug it into here, you'll find he nets an average of $1450.89 per month considering electricity at $0.15 per kwh
I decided against doing it myself because the miner growth rate is so high right now. It's around 5% a day, which means if it continues at the same rate, in 3 months it'll be more like $170 per month for his rig.
Using "billion trillion" is at least using two terms from the same nomenclature. Using "billion terra" is mixing SI nomenclature with standard counting nomenclature - which just seems silly.
You didn't blink when I pointed out you just contradicted yourself, and then you hit me up with that?
Is "billion trillion" less silly? Why not thousand million million? How about gigaterabyte? Does that sound better?
Anyway, the term "billion trillion bytes" is confusing to more people than "billion terabytes", because terabytes is a more familiar term. When was the last time you saw a hard drive advertised that it held "one trillion bytes"? You even wrote,
Fortunately they can drop kilobyte from their memory to make room; no one cares about those any more.
If they can drop "kilobyte" from their memory already, when have they dropped "byte"?
And the only reason some number of people know what a terabyte is? Because people started using it when the term was appropriate, instead of using "one million megabytes". Now zettabyte is the relevant term and people need to learn it.
Which is why the original article tried to explain what "zettabyte" was. I simply objected to the comparison of 6.5 million miles of stacked books. "billion terabytes" goes a lot further towards giving people a grasp of what zettabyte means.
I don't even understand your position, anyway. Care to clarify? Do you just want the article to drop "9.57 zettabytes" without explaining further? Do you want it to be "9.57 zettabytes is the same as a billion trillion bytes"? Or do you, as it seems increasingly obvious, just like to nitpick without revealing any opinion of your own, flipping from one position to another in the hopes of "winning"?
Of course it is also rife with problems, one of the biggest being the whole deflation thing. Deflation is something that strangles an economy badly. People want to spend as little as possible, since you get more for the same money in the future, which of course means there is little spending and little spending means little trade which means the economy goes to shit.
I never really understood the deflation argument. What is the difference between:
1. a deflationary currency, and 2. an inflationary currency, like the US dollar, and another investment vehicle, such as gold?
In both cases, people have incentive to stash their wealth away. For 1, they just leave it in the currency. For 2, they put it into gold. Either way the same economic pressure to spend as little as possible occurs.
It's obviously a project being run by an alien bureaucratic agency of some kind. Probably has been running for centuries to keep the "wooden board and rope" skilled aliens employed.
Most would have a better idea of what a terabyte that is compared to zettabyte. And we are talking about network traffic, which is a subject that the people would would be interested in and the people that know what a terabyte is probably overlaps somewhat, I'm guessing.
Europe, right... and not the UK, though, because they use billion as the US does.. so people speaking other languages. I apologize, I should have thought about them.. I can't be English centric, regardless if we are talking about terms in the English language.. sorry, I should have put that in my post, "English only". Next time.
And that reminds me, didn't you just write that to use billion trillion bytes is a better term? So, wait, I'm trying to think here... when you write billion and trillion, it makes sense... but when I write it.. it confuses European people.. Hmm.. maybe you could help out here?
It just seems that most people who use the internet know what a terabyte is. Terabyte size hard drives are pretty common, so it's easy to understand how much space that is. And although 10 billion is hard to imagine, "billion" is a commonly used term and understood.
Whereas people aren't familiar with a zettabyte, or a 10^21 bytes, or 1 with 21 zeros, any more then they are familiar with the space required to hold a 4096x4096 1second video running at 71.3 picohertz, or how much data is in a stack of books 5.6 billion miles high.
Isn't a lot clearer just to say it's equivalent 9.57 billion terabytes?
I mean you could also make it seem really small by saying it was equivalent to the size of a 1 second clip of the beating of a fruit fly's wing recorded as uncompressed 4096x4096 video at 71.3 picohertz.
Prices are set to maximise profits based on what the market will bear; the extra cost of providing decent manufacturing conditions would have a negligible impact (if any) on end-user pricing.
The impact depends on how much of a commodity it is. If manufacturers of competing products use the same low cost techniques for producing their goods, this will bring the prices down due to, well, competition.
I just have a folder for each 2 month period and throw everything in there, regardless of what it is. If it's an important document, I'll also scan it using an application I wrote that will store the electronic copy into a filesystem folder based on category, and name it with a brief description and an encoded date. So then I just use "find" to retrieve the electronic copy, and I can get the original hardcopy by searching through the appropriate physical folder based on the timestamp.
Instead of busting in....Cops pay nice visit with warrant. Guy maybe gets one moment to press "destroy" button. Pass barely starts, only the first few hundred sectors are destroyed before the power is pulled. Easy to pull data from this drive (encrypted or not).
It's very difficult to impossible to pull data from an encrypted hard drive.
Truecrypt is only good if the suspect can't be compelled to reveal his password. Not revealing your password can be further evidence of obstruction and/or guilt. Laws are already on the books to compel suspects to provide their password. Furthermore, ACTA should further cement the "rights" of states to your encrypted data (not that I agree with it but it is the current lay of the land).
Invoking the fifth cannot be seen as an admission of guilt. And what does the ACTA have to do with what cops do today?
I also suspect circumvention techniques are at least a decade ahead of where the government admits it is able to crack IF they even had to.
Yea, sure.. let's say the government is able to crack modern encryption schemes out there but doesn't want this known. How could they ever enter into evidence decrypted data without admitting they had this ability?
That doesn't make it right. It makes it a slippery slope to fascism. An infringement on the innocent, and the innocent until PROVEN guilty.
There was a warrant signed by a judge. You can argue that the judge shouldn't have signed it, and I might agree with you. But, they would be likely to lose access to the evidence if they gave any prior warning. Should they have not thrown the guy down the stairs.. yes, undoubtedly. But with all the technical measures that could render the evidence inaccessible, a raid was justified.
His assumptions are only barely outdated when it comes to encryption.
People have been encrypting files for a long time..
A scrub panic take TIME, just to do even one pass.
You only need one pass to scrub. If the police are bringing him downtown, that's a least a few hours. It'd be enough
Force the suspect to give the password (which he is legally compelled to do in the USA).
I don't know where you are getting your information... legally compelled to give a password in the USA?? I've heard of only one case where someone was compelled to reveal their password, and it had something to do with them already waiving their 5th amendment right. It certainly isn't easy to legally get someone to reveal their password.
Or are pedophiles using FTL Drives and Quantum Encryption these days?
I have no idea what pedos are using, but they certainly don't need Quantum Encryption to block an investigation. Just install truecrypt and call it a day.
Anyway, the point is to get the perp off guard. Surprise them, and maybe they don't have all their ducks in a row, ie. the computer is still on in a state where the illegal material can be accessed without a password, etc. This probably works a lot of times, which is why the police do it.
You think encryption or a panic button to delete all the files by scrubbing the disk is only going to "slow things down"? Where did you get the idea that it's feasible to break modern day encryption, or read data that has been scrubbed off a harddrive?
They need the computers though. And they're worried about things such as the hard drives being encrypted and as soon as the power is turned off, or maybe a panic button to destroy the evidence so they won't be able to search through them.
So how is bringing the guy downtown will help? He'll just say, "No, officers, I didn't do it," and they'll have to release him. Meanwhile, if he did do it, any evidence that happened to be on his computers would be destroyed as soon as he got home, or before that if he had some kind of dead man's switch, or hit a panic button right before he answered the door.
Oh, we drive you to piracy with our slow bloated crushing DRM And then sweep you up in the civil suits and threatening letters we send
Don't say the games we make are awful and bad... And you will not pay a cent after you played that pirated copy you had
See, the developers won't make our product that sells as good As last years model, even though we copied it as best we could
So, it's no longer our business model to please the masses Now take the position while we give it to you up the... Error 402: PLEASE CHECK YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION TO CONTINUE PLAYING
However, if a facility, or even a company provides abortions for reasons like, "I just got a promotion to Burger King shift manager and can't have a kid right now", then Hell NO! I want NONE of my tax dollars going to that organization at all. If a woman decides to kill her child (you call it terminating a pregnancy), then she needs to pay for it on her own (if her PRIVATE insurance covers it, fine). I do not want my tax dollars going to fund abortions in any way, shape or form.
I don't think it's a good idea to force women who are irresponsible enough to have unwanted pregnancy to breed. We'll end up with the outcome of the movie "Idiocracy" in no time.
This article can't have been made in seriousness... come on... are we really arguing about whether it's a good idea to bank using twitter? We must be caught up in a bet Slashdot editors made late last night after several rounds of some substance.
Yea, but it's debatable how democratic Hong Kong will actually get. China has a track record of not always playing by the rules. And China moving to a democracy in 37 years? Hmm.. there might be a chance, but right now they are really very much a dictatorship, and I don't see much progress.
How do you see Hong Kong going towards a democracy when they are now part of China? Why would the PRC give up control of what they consider they own?
I doubt that Hong Kong is going towards a democracy, but is rather being slowly assimilated back into the PRC. As soon as China took over voting was the first thing they pulled. Also, children there are now being taught Mandarin in schools. It'll probably be a lot like Shanghai in 10 years.
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I know somebody that has a rig that does 1700 million hashes per second and uses 1000 watts (using 4 ATI 6970's). If you plug it into here, you'll find he nets an average of $1450.89 per month considering electricity at $0.15 per kwh
http://bitcoinx.com/profit/index.php
I decided against doing it myself because the miner growth rate is so high right now. It's around 5% a day, which means if it continues at the same rate, in 3 months it'll be more like $170 per month for his rig.
Here are some charts showing the growth rate: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/
Using "billion trillion" is at least using two terms from the same nomenclature. Using "billion terra" is mixing SI nomenclature with standard counting nomenclature - which just seems silly.
You didn't blink when I pointed out you just contradicted yourself, and then you hit me up with that?
Is "billion trillion" less silly? Why not thousand million million? How about gigaterabyte? Does that sound better?
Anyway, the term "billion trillion bytes" is confusing to more people than "billion terabytes", because terabytes is a more familiar term. When was the last time you saw a hard drive advertised that it held "one trillion bytes"? You even wrote,
Fortunately they can drop kilobyte from their memory to make room; no one cares about those any more.
If they can drop "kilobyte" from their memory already, when have they dropped "byte"?
And the only reason some number of people know what a terabyte is? Because people started using it when the term was appropriate, instead of using "one million megabytes". Now zettabyte is the relevant term and people need to learn it.
Which is why the original article tried to explain what "zettabyte" was. I simply objected to the comparison of 6.5 million miles of stacked books. "billion terabytes" goes a lot further towards giving people a grasp of what zettabyte means.
I don't even understand your position, anyway. Care to clarify? Do you just want the article to drop "9.57 zettabytes" without explaining further? Do you want it to be "9.57 zettabytes is the same as a billion trillion bytes"? Or do you, as it seems increasingly obvious, just like to nitpick without revealing any opinion of your own, flipping from one position to another in the hopes of "winning"?
I think it's more like: When you come up with a monumental change to society, don't assume you know what the fuck you are doing.
Of course it is also rife with problems, one of the biggest being the whole deflation thing. Deflation is something that strangles an economy badly. People want to spend as little as possible, since you get more for the same money in the future, which of course means there is little spending and little spending means little trade which means the economy goes to shit.
I never really understood the deflation argument. What is the difference between:
1. a deflationary currency, and
2. an inflationary currency, like the US dollar, and another investment vehicle, such as gold?
In both cases, people have incentive to stash their wealth away. For 1, they just leave it in the currency. For 2, they put it into gold. Either way the same economic pressure to spend as little as possible occurs.
It's obviously a project being run by an alien bureaucratic agency of some kind. Probably has been running for centuries to keep the "wooden board and rope" skilled aliens employed.
Most would have a better idea of what a terabyte that is compared to zettabyte. And we are talking about network traffic, which is a subject that the people would would be interested in and the people that know what a terabyte is probably overlaps somewhat, I'm guessing.
Europe, right... and not the UK, though, because they use billion as the US does.. so people speaking other languages. I apologize, I should have thought about them.. I can't be English centric, regardless if we are talking about terms in the English language.. sorry, I should have put that in my post, "English only". Next time.
And that reminds me, didn't you just write that to use billion trillion bytes is a better term? So, wait, I'm trying to think here... when you write billion and trillion, it makes sense... but when I write it.. it confuses European people.. Hmm.. maybe you could help out here?
It looks like that ruling was appealed and overruled, thankfully. http://aramzs.amplify.com/2010/12/18/another-step-in-the-wow-glider-case-has-some-interesting-legal-repercussions/
So it's like Goldilocks and the three bears, then...
It just seems that most people who use the internet know what a terabyte is. Terabyte size hard drives are pretty common, so it's easy to understand how much space that is. And although 10 billion is hard to imagine, "billion" is a commonly used term and understood.
Whereas people aren't familiar with a zettabyte, or a 10^21 bytes, or 1 with 21 zeros, any more then they are familiar with the space required to hold a 4096x4096 1second video running at 71.3 picohertz, or how much data is in a stack of books 5.6 billion miles high.
Isn't a lot clearer just to say it's equivalent 9.57 billion terabytes?
I mean you could also make it seem really small by saying it was equivalent to the size of a 1 second clip of the beating of a fruit fly's wing recorded as uncompressed 4096x4096 video at 71.3 picohertz.
Prices are set to maximise profits based on what the market will bear; the extra cost of providing decent manufacturing conditions would have a negligible impact (if any) on end-user pricing.
The impact depends on how much of a commodity it is. If manufacturers of competing products use the same low cost techniques for producing their goods, this will bring the prices down due to, well, competition.
I just have a folder for each 2 month period and throw everything in there, regardless of what it is. If it's an important document, I'll also scan it using an application I wrote that will store the electronic copy into a filesystem folder based on category, and name it with a brief description and an encoded date. So then I just use "find" to retrieve the electronic copy, and I can get the original hardcopy by searching through the appropriate physical folder based on the timestamp.
Instead of busting in....Cops pay nice visit with warrant. Guy maybe gets one moment to press "destroy" button. Pass barely starts, only the first few hundred sectors are destroyed before the power is pulled. Easy to pull data from this drive (encrypted or not).
It's very difficult to impossible to pull data from an encrypted hard drive.
Truecrypt is only good if the suspect can't be compelled to reveal his password. Not revealing your password can be further evidence of obstruction and/or guilt. Laws are already on the books to compel suspects to provide their password. Furthermore, ACTA should further cement the "rights" of states to your encrypted data (not that I agree with it but it is the current lay of the land).
Invoking the fifth cannot be seen as an admission of guilt. And what does the ACTA have to do with what cops do today?
I also suspect circumvention techniques are at least a decade ahead of where the government admits it is able to crack IF they even had to.
Yea, sure.. let's say the government is able to crack modern encryption schemes out there but doesn't want this known. How could they ever enter into evidence decrypted data without admitting they had this ability?
That doesn't make it right. It makes it a slippery slope to fascism. An infringement on the innocent, and the innocent until PROVEN guilty.
There was a warrant signed by a judge. You can argue that the judge shouldn't have signed it, and I might agree with you. But, they would be likely to lose access to the evidence if they gave any prior warning. Should they have not thrown the guy down the stairs.. yes, undoubtedly. But with all the technical measures that could render the evidence inaccessible, a raid was justified.
His assumptions are only barely outdated when it comes to encryption.
People have been encrypting files for a long time..
A scrub panic take TIME, just to do even one pass.
You only need one pass to scrub. If the police are bringing him downtown, that's a least a few hours. It'd be enough
Force the suspect to give the password (which he is legally compelled to do in the USA).
I don't know where you are getting your information... legally compelled to give a password in the USA?? I've heard of only one case where someone was compelled to reveal their password, and it had something to do with them already waiving their 5th amendment right. It certainly isn't easy to legally get someone to reveal their password.
Or are pedophiles using FTL Drives and Quantum Encryption these days?
I have no idea what pedos are using, but they certainly don't need Quantum Encryption to block an investigation. Just install truecrypt and call it a day.
Anyway, the point is to get the perp off guard. Surprise them, and maybe they don't have all their ducks in a row, ie. the computer is still on in a state where the illegal material can be accessed without a password, etc. This probably works a lot of times, which is why the police do it.
You think encryption or a panic button to delete all the files by scrubbing the disk is only going to "slow things down"? Where did you get the idea that it's feasible to break modern day encryption, or read data that has been scrubbed off a harddrive?
They need the computers though. And they're worried about things such as the hard drives being encrypted and as soon as the power is turned off, or maybe a panic button to destroy the evidence so they won't be able to search through them.
So how is bringing the guy downtown will help? He'll just say, "No, officers, I didn't do it," and they'll have to release him. Meanwhile, if he did do it, any evidence that happened to be on his computers would be destroyed as soon as he got home, or before that if he had some kind of dead man's switch, or hit a panic button right before he answered the door.
Um, where does it say they battered him?
"reckless" math...
Oh, we drive you to piracy with our slow bloated crushing DRM
And then sweep you up in the civil suits and threatening letters we send
Don't say the games we make are awful and bad...
And you will not pay a cent after you played that pirated copy you had
See, the developers won't make our product that sells as good
As last years model, even though we copied it as best we could
So, it's no longer our business model to please the masses
Now take the position while we give it to you up the... Error 402: PLEASE CHECK YOUR INTERNET CONNECTION TO CONTINUE PLAYING
However, if a facility, or even a company provides abortions for reasons like, "I just got a promotion to Burger King shift manager and can't have a kid right now", then Hell NO! I want NONE of my tax dollars going to that organization at all. If a woman decides to kill her child (you call it terminating a pregnancy), then she needs to pay for it on her own (if her PRIVATE insurance covers it, fine). I do not want my tax dollars going to fund abortions in any way, shape or form.
I don't think it's a good idea to force women who are irresponsible enough to have unwanted pregnancy to breed. We'll end up with the outcome of the movie "Idiocracy" in no time.
I can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of closing one eye for 2 hours +, though.
This article can't have been made in seriousness... come on... are we really arguing about whether it's a good idea to bank using twitter? We must be caught up in a bet Slashdot editors made late last night after several rounds of some substance.
Yea, but it's debatable how democratic Hong Kong will actually get. China has a track record of not always playing by the rules. And China moving to a democracy in 37 years? Hmm.. there might be a chance, but right now they are really very much a dictatorship, and I don't see much progress.
How do you see Hong Kong going towards a democracy when they are now part of China? Why would the PRC give up control of what they consider they own?
I doubt that Hong Kong is going towards a democracy, but is rather being slowly assimilated back into the PRC. As soon as China took over voting was the first thing they pulled. Also, children there are now being taught Mandarin in schools. It'll probably be a lot like Shanghai in 10 years.
Hong Kong, the special administration region of China, is the free world?