OTOH, publicly traded companies are required to list all liabilities including those from law suits or potential law suits. If they are hushing it up, they may be violating exchange rules or SEC regs.
Which is why MS is able to get away with bullying. A business may pay MS to make lawsuits "go away", once they pay MS the possibility of a lawsuit filed against them by MS goes away. It's when they don't buckle under that they have to report the possibility of a lawsuit filed by MS.
And when they pay, they must account for that payment in..... their company accounts.
Buy a share or two and take a look.
We must balance that harm against the benefit to society of innoculating them against actually participating in torture.
I think we may be at cross-purposes here; my point is that the participants benefit from discovering how easily they can be used. A greater service to society would be provided by the widely publishing the results of the study.
What's that you say? The odds of them ever being asked to participate in torture are negligible?
Strawman there, I'm afraid. If I'd said something, I'm sure I would have felt my lips move.
Torture isn't the only bad thing done by people 'only obeying orders'.
The harm beind discussed is harm done to the shocker not the shockee.
That's exactly what I meant. Compare this to a course which demonstrates the impairment of driving abilities whilst under the influence - by allowing the participants to drive drunk under controlled conditions. The participants may be appalled at how badly they perform, they may even exhibit stress symptoms, but they've (hopefully) learnt a valuable lesson.
First I don't see what this study achieves. It recreates an immensely harmful and unethical study with some slight tweaks to make it less harmful.
It achieves the same as the original; it tells us that we are all potential tools of evil unless we consciously choose not to be.
The Miligram[sic] study already exists, we don't need to re-try it to ensure that people will follow orders.
The point of the original study was not to ensure that orders were followed, but to investigate how such orders came to be followed. I think it should be repeated by a respected academic institution at least once every decade and the results published as widely as possible - pour encourager les autres.
Second just because someone is consented to a study does not mean that it is acceptable to harm them. Just to discover how much harm a study does to the subjects does not justify doing that study.
Nobody was harmed by this experiment or the original. A few eyes were opened to see the real world. That's help, not harm.
Somewhere there is the somewhat famous quote I keep forgetting.. but it is exactly about making so many laws that everyone is guilty.. creating a path to control you.
"Governments cannot rule honest men. The only true power governments have is to crack down on criminals. And when there are not enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that is is impossible to live without breaking some law."
Well, in less respectable circles, if you owe the bookie $100 on Monday and the juice is 10%, you owe him $110 on Tuesday[]
Hey, we used to lend money at school on those terms, and for the same reason - you got paid back awfully fast.
If you didn't, the debt mounted rather quickly. I lent somebody 20 pence once, and forgot about it - for a year. I let him off that one. I don't think he had the £256 billion:)
I think I'd give this article a bit more credibility if the author wasn't so dead set on demonstrating global warming was evidence of a UN conspiracy to take over the world.
No such thing has been suggested. A panel set up by the UN, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has made recommendations based on research which the author alleges to be shoddy and self-serving.
His writing is persuasive, particularly with regard to the Medieval Warm Period (otherwise known as the Little Climatic Optimum). It's well known among Medieval historians, what excuse do climatologists have for ignoring it?
there are not enough Linux boxes on the internet for hackers to waste a lot of time writing exploits for them
Bullshit.
Look at Netcraft's front page. You'll find a list of hosting providers - people with lots of powerful machines connected to very fat pipes, just what an attacker most wants to 0wn. Look at what they're running.
Look at Netcraft's Web Server Survey. Over 60% of the Web is served by Apache web servers - the vast majority running Linux.
There's no shortage of targets - they're just much harder to compromise.
This would have been completely unambiguous with no possibility of retraction, whilst still preventing others from patenting the same invention - Microsoft's stated reason for taking it out in the first place.
Vote Independent.
Doesn't matter who it is, doesn't really matter what their position(s) is/are. Just as long as you're not propping up a political party.
Don't donate to political parties. Let them die for lack of funds. New Labour is nearly bankrupt already through alienation of its traditional supporters.
Get rid of political parties and you prevent 'One Man's Vision' fucking up your country. Stop politicians being celebrities, send them back to the servant's entrance where they belong (they are Servants - never let them Reign)
When new legislation must be debated and voted upon by over a hundred representatives, none of whom owe any allegiance to any of the others, only the most sensible and necessary will survive.
'Betterer'?
pluke, you're not a teacher.
You're a fantasist and a fool.
Altering anything on another person's phone or computer without explicit authorisation is a violation of the Computer Misuse Act, 2000. You don't want to know about the penalties it allows - they can be harsh. Before anyone starts spouting the 'in loco parentis' crap, here's a clue.
Schools are not parents. They have a limited set of responsibilities for and powers over a minor whilst said minor is in attendance and unaccompanied by his/her actual parent or guardian. Parent's authority trumps that of the school, unless the law states otherwise. In this case, it doesn't.
In addition, many phones carried and used by pupils are actually subject to contracts held by their parents. In such a case, 'in loco parentis' doesn't have a hope of applying. The phone is the property of an adult who has given permission for one other person to use it. The CMA says you're a criminal if you so much as turn the phone on and look at the wallpaper.
If you want to make up 'wouldn't it be cool if we...' stories, do so, just don't try to pass them off as fact.
Now piss off before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
I was under the impression that eBay had simply bought every adword, or at least had google default to 'show an eBay ad for this word'.
I can't think of another explanation for getting an eBay ad on a search for 'niggers'.
Someone has probably created a 'not' list of the more offensive 'items', but somestillslip through.
I think that there should be a legal class of vehicles called "quadricycles" - under 1000 lb, no more than 3 seats, and over 70 mpg - which would be treated similarly to motorcycles under the law and would be exempt from some of the more onerous safety regs
Something like this, maybe?
In the UK at least, this is already classed as a 'quadricycle' due to its low weight, and may be driven on some motorcycle licences.
I've done this, too - mobo has colour-coded sockets, but IBM Model M keyboards and old Logitech 3-button mice don't.
Trying to get into BIOS on the Gentoo box I've been using for six months, not happening. Completes boot and kb/mouse work fine on command line and in KDE, but the machine won't respond to input until the OS is loaded. Linux doesn't care which way round they are (someone told me PS/2 is a serial bus, is this right?) but BIOS does. Took me half an hour of swapping out keyboards ('This one doesn't work either!'), making sure each time that I used the socket the last k/b had used.....
It's not just a proposal. It's more than halfway into law:
It was passed by the House of Commons earlier this month, and will be considered by the House Of Lords over the next couple of months
Once again we must rely on the Lords to stop the knee-jerk stupidity of the Commons foisting more draconian laws upon us. Let's hope they continue to do their job.
The first time someone tries to enforce it, it will (eventually) be ruled unconstitutional. At enormous cost to somebody, but hey, that's not their problem.
Meanwhile, these legislators get to shout about how they've 'taken a stand' and are 'protecting your kids'.
The Justice Department, which has lobbied aggressively on the subject..
What is the DoJ, a government agency, doing lobbying anyone over anything?
AFAIK, their remit is to enforce the law by prosecuting criminals. That's it. Enforce the law as it stands.
Not attempt to make it or influence its makers.
Oops... Mr Tolback is a Democrat. How inconventient.
Mr Tolback may be a member of a party that calls itself 'Democrat' but I would dignify neither that party nor this person with the label.
The party is another 'frighten them enough and they'll keep us incumbent' organisation.
Mr Tolback is merely an attention-seeking moron.
Fine. Lets give him some attention and show him how much of a moron we think he is:
District 7- Jeffrey Toback (D)
(ph)516-571-6207
(fax)516-571-4123
jeffrey.toback@mail.co.nassau.ny.us
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Which is why MS is able to get away with bullying. A business may pay MS to make lawsuits "go away", once they pay MS the possibility of a lawsuit filed against them by MS goes away. It's when they don't buckle under that they have to report the possibility of a lawsuit filed by MS.
And when they pay, they must account for that payment in..... their company accounts.Buy a share or two and take a look.
I think we may be at cross-purposes here; my point is that the participants benefit from discovering how easily they can be used. A greater service to society would be provided by the widely publishing the results of the study.
What's that you say? The odds of them ever being asked to participate in torture are negligible?
Strawman there, I'm afraid. If I'd said something, I'm sure I would have felt my lips move.
Torture isn't the only bad thing done by people 'only obeying orders'.
That's exactly what I meant. Compare this to a course which demonstrates the impairment of driving abilities whilst under the influence - by allowing the participants to drive drunk under controlled conditions. The participants may be appalled at how badly they perform, they may even exhibit stress symptoms, but they've (hopefully) learnt a valuable lesson.
It achieves the same as the original; it tells us that we are all potential tools of evil unless we consciously choose not to be.
The Miligram[sic] study already exists, we don't need to re-try it to ensure that people will follow orders.
The point of the original study was not to ensure that orders were followed, but to investigate how such orders came to be followed. I think it should be repeated by a respected academic institution at least once every decade and the results published as widely as possible - pour encourager les autres.
Second just because someone is consented to a study does not mean that it is acceptable to harm them. Just to discover how much harm a study does to the subjects does not justify doing that study.
Nobody was harmed by this experiment or the original. A few eyes were opened to see the real world. That's help, not harm.
"Governments cannot rule honest men. The only true power governments have is to crack down on criminals. And when there are not enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that is is impossible to live without breaking some law."
Ayn Rand, in "Atlas Shrugged"
Hey, we used to lend money at school on those terms, and for the same reason - you got paid back awfully fast. :)
If you didn't, the debt mounted rather quickly. I lent somebody 20 pence once, and forgot about it - for a year. I let him off that one. I don't think he had the £256 billion
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'The old that is strong does not wither' :)
when twisted magnetic field lines in the solar atmosphere suddenly snap
What next? Met office guy: - "Damn, I just broke an isobar!"
Less hyperbole and more science, please.
No.
No such thing has been suggested. A panel set up by the UN, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, has made recommendations based on research which the author alleges to be shoddy and self-serving.
His writing is persuasive, particularly with regard to the Medieval Warm Period (otherwise known as the Little Climatic Optimum). It's well known among Medieval historians, what excuse do climatologists have for ignoring it?
Bullshit.
Look at Netcraft's front page. You'll find a list of hosting providers - people with lots of powerful machines connected to very fat pipes, just what an attacker most wants to 0wn. Look at what they're running.
Look at Netcraft's Web Server Survey. Over 60% of the Web is served by Apache web servers - the vast majority running Linux.
There's no shortage of targets - they're just much harder to compromise.
With thanks to imdb.com
This would have been completely unambiguous with no possibility of retraction, whilst still preventing others from patenting the same invention - Microsoft's stated reason for taking it out in the first place.
Vote Independent.
Doesn't matter who it is, doesn't really matter what their position(s) is/are. Just as long as you're not propping up a political party.
Don't donate to political parties. Let them die for lack of funds. New Labour is nearly bankrupt already through alienation of its traditional supporters.
Get rid of political parties and you prevent 'One Man's Vision' fucking up your country.
Stop politicians being celebrities, send them back to the servant's entrance where they belong (they are Servants - never let them Reign)
When new legislation must be debated and voted upon by over a hundred representatives, none of whom owe any allegiance to any of the others, only the most sensible and necessary will survive.
pluke, you're not a teacher.
You're a fantasist and a fool.
Altering anything on another person's phone or computer without explicit authorisation is a violation of the Computer Misuse Act, 2000. You don't want to know about the penalties it allows - they can be harsh. Before anyone starts spouting the 'in loco parentis' crap, here's a clue.
Schools are not parents. They have a limited set of responsibilities for and powers over a minor whilst said minor is in attendance and unaccompanied by his/her actual parent or guardian. Parent's authority trumps that of the school, unless the law states otherwise. In this case, it doesn't.
In addition, many phones carried and used by pupils are actually subject to contracts held by their parents. In such a case, 'in loco parentis' doesn't have a hope of applying. The phone is the property of an adult who has given permission for one other person to use it. The CMA says you're a criminal if you so much as turn the phone on and look at the wallpaper.
If you want to make up 'wouldn't it be cool if we...' stories, do so, just don't try to pass them off as fact.
Now piss off before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole.
I can't think of another explanation for getting an eBay ad on a search for 'niggers'.
Someone has probably created a 'not' list of the more offensive 'items', but some still slip through.
Something like this, maybe?
In the UK at least, this is already classed as a 'quadricycle' due to its low weight, and may be driven on some motorcycle licences.
I've done this, too - mobo has colour-coded sockets, but IBM Model M keyboards and old Logitech 3-button mice don't.
Trying to get into BIOS on the Gentoo box I've been using for six months, not happening. Completes boot and kb/mouse work fine on command line and in KDE, but the machine won't respond to input until the OS is loaded. Linux doesn't care which way round they are (someone told me PS/2 is a serial bus, is this right?) but BIOS does. Took me half an hour of swapping out keyboards ('This one doesn't work either!'), making sure each time that I used the socket the last k/b had used.....
What, as opposed to Patagonian Welsh?
It was passed by the House of Commons earlier this month, and will be considered by the House Of Lords over the next couple of months
Once again we must rely on the Lords to stop the knee-jerk stupidity of the Commons foisting more draconian laws upon us. Let's hope they continue to do their job.
Meanwhile, these legislators get to shout about how they've 'taken a stand' and are 'protecting your kids'.
Benjamin Franklin?
Anyway, who needs fictional scientists when we have/had Tesla.
What is the DoJ, a government agency, doing lobbying anyone over anything?
AFAIK, their remit is to enforce the law by prosecuting criminals. That's it. Enforce the law as it stands.
Not attempt to make it or influence its makers.
Mr Tolback may be a member of a party that calls itself 'Democrat' but I would dignify neither that party nor this person with the label.
The party is another 'frighten them enough and they'll keep us incumbent' organisation.
Mr Tolback is merely an attention-seeking moron.
Fine. Lets give him some attention and show him how much of a moron we think he is:
District 7- Jeffrey Toback (D)
(ph)516-571-6207
(fax)516-571-4123
jeffrey.toback@mail.co.nassau.ny.us