I don't know, I was willing to give him that one- his wording might have been flawed, but he does deserve credit for a good chunk of it. arguing semantics is missing the point.
seems like any time anyone mentioned FF, safari or IE some AC feels the need to mention Opera.
for cripes sakes, NO ONE CARES. Please, can't you just go one conversation without being the snobby nerd? it just isn't needed and you really turn people off to that option because they don't want to be associated with you.
Opera is a great browser, sure. I'll give them that. they've been really innovative- ok, I'm cool with that. but PLEASE shut up and quit mentioning it whenever you can, and stop being a snob about it. it's sad and the infighting in the alternative brower crowd makes you look really ameteur.
go do a billion dollars of damage with a hammer to physical machines across the world.
if sasser shuts down a company for a day, and that company loses X dollars from that day, the guy is responsible for it. yeah, someone ELSE coulda made that hammer, sure, but they DIDN'T. HE DID. it's his fault, he broke shit, he's gonna pay.
Now that we have that outta the way, how do we address his payment? I think he shoud be responsible in the same way as if he had done a billion dollars of physical damage- say he smashed his car into the front of a warehouse while it was empty, it caught fire and burned to the ground, doing 1 Bil in damages.
what would his punishment be? make him pay it back? he can't. This wasn't just an assult on an individual, this was an assult on many people- the community. how do you handle a situation where someone assults the community? you exile them.
seems to me that a mitnik-type punishment should be in order. Ban him from the intarweb.
Let me translate for the old fogies in the audience- There are two possible definitions here.
The standard use: "...the fiber that he was pulling completely crystalized." which would mean literally 100% of the fiber did crystalize, which I guess is suprising.
or the implied use, which means: "...the fiber that he was pulling crystallized and suprised us." i.e. it may or may not have 100% crystalized, perhaps only 80% or even 50% crystalized, but the fact that it did was completely unexpected under those conditions.
In either case, you'll see that an unexpected result is what caused the inclusion of the word, or at least that's the case from my perspective.
My guess, and I have nothing to substanciate this, is that google is using this tool to figure out what pages their users are going to- if a cached copy does not exists, google goes there and caches a copy. It would make a great sense from an advertizing perspective.
I know nothing about their methods, but if it IS what I am suggesting, I could come up with quite a few theories on why they're doing it (some reasonable, some crackpot and some paranoid).
I've pretty much been ignoring/avoid this thing since I'm running gentoo.
makes me wonder, has anyone actually decompiled this and looked at the code? are you sure google hasn't already turned evil?
I'd buy a powerbook on 2 conditions: 1) I could afford one at the time 2) the thing shipped with a 2 button trackpad.
and I know what you're gonna say- you can connect a 50 button mouse up to it, but damnit I want a laptop, damnit I don't want a mouse,and damnit I want 2 fricken buttons on my trackpad.
My current job has me digging my way out of debt and is letting me use a company Thinkpad T42. It's truely an awesome machine, so I'm not looking for a personal machine for a while.
if I do change jobs and have to give it back, I can only hope that apple has gotten over the one button trackpad. With it being in the news that they're considering a 2 button mouse, I can only hope that trackpads are next.
If/When they announce that, I'll start saving up.
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put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years.
What's wrong with it?
This could just be the Mac influence in you talking. I personally find kde/windows 2k and lower a breeze to use, but when I used an ibook for a month I thought it was the worst UI ever (I dislike winXP as well). It's not so much that one is worse than the other, it's that they're two different approaches. windows vs. mac. KDE, though they don't like to admit it, owe most of their UI to windows. I'm not saying that Macs aren't good; the next laptop I get will probably be some type of powerbook, but it'll probably dual-boot with gentoo.
my wife, who is not a computer person, was able to pick up kde with very little problem coming from a windows-only background. She's now capable of changing her kdm login manager and her desktop settings. she's moved the menubar to the top of the screen. she's able to update the menu when I install something new for her if it doesn't automatically (kde->settings->menu updating tool)
so I guess my question is, what is it you're having problems with? every kde thread that comes up there seems to be someone saying this exact same thing, but I never seem to hear what is actually wrong with the UI other than it's not a mac. Have you submitted a bug report about it? that's the easiest way to get the info to a kde dev. just set it to the lowest priority/wishlist or whatever, and a dev will probably check it out.
if I pissed you off on accident, I'm sorry- I just woke up.
How are the options for a debian install of mplayer?
I'm speaking as a former debian user here too- it took my friends *months* to get me to try gentoo. When I finally did, I used it for one month. I was hooked. it's not perfect (emerge search packagename is slower than apt-cache search), but it's proven it's worth. I got nothing but love for debian, but I honestly feel that emerge is to apt as apt was to rpm.
the real advantage is being able to "turn off" certain sections of the code with USE flags. Did you know bitchx can be compiled to use gnome? when the debian maintainers compile bitchx for you, they decide whether or not to include it. you don't have the choice.
with gentoo, you can use the USE flags USE="-gnome" emerge bitchx USE="gnome" emerge bitchx
This allows me to say if I want gnome installed or not if it's just an optional feature on bitchx. Since I mostly use kde, I can do without installing all the gnome dependencies.
to see a list of flags for any given package (and their default status) emerge -vp bitchx [ebuild N ] net-irc/bitchx-1.1-r1 -cdrom -cjk -debug +esd -gnome +gtk -ipv6 +ncurses +ssl +xmms 2,473 kB
Then you can choose to enable them or not.
There are a lot of common flags, USE flags which you can set in the/etc/make.conf file. my flags on my workstation are the following:
USE="3dnow amd alsa bzlib cddb cdparanoia curl dnd dvd -dvdr ethereal flash gd glut -gnome gstreamer icq image magemagick imap java javascript kerberos krb4 ldap lm_sensors maildir md5sum mime ming mmx -mozilla mplayer msn jack ooo-kde openssh pdf rtc samba sasl threads type1 tiff usb xvid"
and this isn't even close to all of them. If you'd like to learn more, let me know. I try not to be a zealot:)
I would guess that the submitted code would be for whatever license the program intended to be patched would be.
Here's the way you gotta look at it. what would be a "reasonable expected use" for a patch? I'd imagine it would be used to patch a program. Do you expect the program to be relicensed due to your patch?
if no, the it's to be expected that your patch would be released under the same license.
if yes, inflated ego comments aside, you'd make note of that, or inform the main author somehow.
This is definately a legal gray area, but it sorta flys in the face of common sense.
would the author submit a closed source patch to an open source project, then be pissed when his code is GPL'd? No, they'd be retarded for thinking that.
I guess what I'm saying is if you submit a patch for a GPL'ed program, you have a reasonable expectation to believe your patch will be GPL'ed as well. It's not a free access pass to your code- it was intended for a specific use.
I get everyone and their father off of using Mirc and onto xchat because "it's free and it's available for windows AND linux" and this jackass pulls this shit.
Thanks alot for making me look like a retarded monkey. if he wants to pull this crap, say you're leaving the xchat team, get the other authors to relicense their code to you under a more restrictive license, then call it WinChatX. No losers in that scenario- you don't disgrace the xchat name, and you don't have 600000000000000 people pissed off at you for spitting in the face of the GPL (which is what I feel he's doing).
What, afraid people wouldn't use your product anymore if it doesn't have the xchat name on it? guess what- they're just gonna switch back to mirc when they see yours costs money, meaning the rest of us are gonna get slammed with the business end of the next mirc worm that decides to spam us.
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I don't know, I was willing to give him that one- his wording might have been flawed, but he does deserve credit for a good chunk of it. arguing semantics is missing the point.
actually I'm pretty sure it much closer to this
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(ok, I've got my juvenile humor out of the way for the day)
seems like any time anyone mentioned FF, safari or IE some AC feels the need to mention Opera.
for cripes sakes, NO ONE CARES. Please, can't you just go one conversation without being the snobby nerd? it just isn't needed and you really turn people off to that option because they don't want to be associated with you.
Opera is a great browser, sure. I'll give them that. they've been really innovative- ok, I'm cool with that. but PLEASE shut up and quit mentioning it whenever you can, and stop being a snob about it. it's sad and the infighting in the alternative brower crowd makes you look really ameteur.
(former Opera user)
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I agree.
go do a billion dollars of damage with a hammer to physical machines across the world.
if sasser shuts down a company for a day, and that company loses X dollars from that day, the guy is responsible for it. yeah, someone ELSE coulda made that hammer, sure, but they DIDN'T. HE DID. it's his fault, he broke shit, he's gonna pay.
Now that we have that outta the way, how do we address his payment? I think he shoud be responsible in the same way as if he had done a billion dollars of physical damage- say he smashed his car into the front of a warehouse while it was empty, it caught fire and burned to the ground, doing 1 Bil in damages.
what would his punishment be? make him pay it back? he can't. This wasn't just an assult on an individual, this was an assult on many people- the community. how do you handle a situation where someone assults the community? you exile them.
seems to me that a mitnik-type punishment should be in order. Ban him from the intarweb.
*shrug* just a thought
...except in the business world.
My favorite part is when people think killing any group of people will destroy a method/idea.
You CANNOT WIN A WAR ON TERRORISM.
Duh.
I feel sorry for the people who can't grok that.
Let me translate for the old fogies in the audience-
There are two possible definitions here.
The standard use:
"...the fiber that he was pulling completely crystalized."
which would mean literally 100% of the fiber did crystalize, which I guess is suprising.
or the implied use, which means:
"...the fiber that he was pulling crystallized and suprised us." i.e. it may or may not have 100% crystalized, perhaps only 80% or even 50% crystalized, but the fact that it did was completely unexpected under those conditions.
In either case, you'll see that an unexpected result is what caused the inclusion of the word, or at least that's the case from my perspective.
Yours Truly,
One of "THEM"
the good news is there's a fix for the popups- the bad news is it's annoying we have to do it.
.swf file in the list. highlight it and click ok.
When you find a page like that, click on the Adblock button in the bottom right corner and locate the
if you're feeling clever, put some *'s in there to block all swf's from that server.
what's happening is people are using the pop-up feature in flash and put a little invisible flash bug on websites.
bloody annoying.
by blocking those flash files, you'll eventually get no popups like that... might take a week- it's like tuning a spam filter.
Any chance you've ever read the Rama series by Arthur C. Clarke?
I read Rama Revealed when I was a kid and this sounds strikingly familiar.
My guess, and I have nothing to substanciate this, is that google is using this tool to figure out what pages their users are going to- if a cached copy does not exists, google goes there and caches a copy. It would make a great sense from an advertizing perspective.
I know nothing about their methods, but if it IS what I am suggesting, I could come up with quite a few theories on why they're doing it (some reasonable, some crackpot and some paranoid).
I've pretty much been ignoring/avoid this thing since I'm running gentoo.
makes me wonder, has anyone actually decompiled this and looked at the code? are you sure google hasn't already turned evil?
I don't know about that. there are plenty of people who don't do anything and end up getting promoted all the way up to the top. :)
ok, here's some real arguments.
Well, they're not really arguments, but they're why *I* like gentoo. Of course YMMV.
If you have any question about Gentoo (or my sane and rational experience with it), let me know.
I'd imagine it would be up to the Nasa employees in charge of the project to test their code and review it like normal.
it's not rocket sci...er um, yeah.
Don't worry, I'm sure our fearless leaders will be glad to look to China for guidance on how to properly handle the population.
I'd buy a powerbook on 2 conditions:
1) I could afford one at the time
2) the thing shipped with a 2 button trackpad.
and I know what you're gonna say- you can connect a 50 button mouse up to it, but damnit I want a laptop, damnit I don't want a mouse,and damnit I want 2 fricken buttons on my trackpad.
My current job has me digging my way out of debt and is letting me use a company Thinkpad T42. It's truely an awesome machine, so I'm not looking for a personal machine for a while.
if I do change jobs and have to give it back, I can only hope that apple has gotten over the one button trackpad. With it being in the news that they're considering a 2 button mouse, I can only hope that trackpads are next.
If/When they announce that, I'll start saving up.
put more emphasis on usability if you don't want linux to fall in a few years.
What's wrong with it?
This could just be the Mac influence in you talking. I personally find kde/windows 2k and lower a breeze to use, but when I used an ibook for a month I thought it was the worst UI ever (I dislike winXP as well). It's not so much that one is worse than the other, it's that they're two different approaches. windows vs. mac. KDE, though they don't like to admit it, owe most of their UI to windows. I'm not saying that Macs aren't good; the next laptop I get will probably be some type of powerbook, but it'll probably dual-boot with gentoo.
my wife, who is not a computer person, was able to pick up kde with very little problem coming from a windows-only background. She's now capable of changing her kdm login manager and her desktop settings. she's moved the menubar to the top of the screen. she's able to update the menu when I install something new for her if it doesn't automatically (kde->settings->menu updating tool)
so I guess my question is, what is it you're having problems with? every kde thread that comes up there seems to be someone saying this exact same thing, but I never seem to hear what is actually wrong with the UI other than it's not a mac. Have you submitted a bug report about it? that's the easiest way to get the info to a kde dev. just set it to the lowest priority/wishlist or whatever, and a dev will probably check it out.
if I pissed you off on accident, I'm sorry- I just woke up.
I usually keep them in the USE variable in make.conf.
is packages.use the new hotness instead of make.conf?
I normally don't like to put them somewhere permanent until I'm sure they are going to work.
bitchx was a poor choice on my part- it was the only example I could think of of the top of my head.
Perhaps mplayer will be a better choice:
emerge -vp mplayer
[ebuild R ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre4-r7 -3dfx +3dnow -3dnowex +X +aalib +alsa (-altivec) +arts -bidi +cdparanoia -debug -directfb -divx4linux -dvb +dvd -dvdread -edl +encode +esd -fbcon -ggi +gif -gnome +gtk -ipv6 -joystick +jpeg -libcaca -lirc -live -lzo +mad -matroska -matrox +mmx -mmx2 +mpeg -mythtv +nas -network +nls +oggvorbis +opengl +oss +png -real +rtc +samba +sdl -sse +svga -tga -theora +truetype -v4l -v4l2 -xinerama +xmms +xv +xvid 0 kB
How are the options for a debian install of mplayer?
I'm speaking as a former debian user here too- it took my friends *months* to get me to try gentoo. When I finally did, I used it for one month. I was hooked. it's not perfect (emerge search packagename is slower than apt-cache search), but it's proven it's worth.
I got nothing but love for debian, but I honestly feel that emerge is to apt as apt was to rpm.
"no offense," says the mouse to the T-rex.
the real advantage is being able to "turn off" certain sections of the code with USE flags. Did you know bitchx can be compiled to use gnome? when the debian maintainers compile bitchx for you, they decide whether or not to include it. you don't have the choice.
/etc/make.conf file. my flags on my workstation are the following:
with gentoo, you can use the USE flags
USE="-gnome" emerge bitchx
USE="gnome" emerge bitchx
This allows me to say if I want gnome installed or not if it's just an optional feature on bitchx. Since I mostly use kde, I can do without installing all the gnome dependencies.
to see a list of flags for any given package (and their default status)
emerge -vp bitchx
[ebuild N ] net-irc/bitchx-1.1-r1 -cdrom -cjk -debug +esd -gnome +gtk -ipv6 +ncurses +ssl +xmms 2,473 kB
Then you can choose to enable them or not.
There are a lot of common flags, USE flags which you can set in the
USE="3dnow amd alsa bzlib cddb cdparanoia curl dnd dvd -dvdr ethereal flash gd glut -gnome gstreamer icq image magemagick imap java javascript kerberos krb4 ldap lm_sensors maildir md5sum mime ming mmx -mozilla mplayer msn jack ooo-kde openssh pdf rtc samba sasl threads type1 tiff usb xvid"
and this isn't even close to all of them.
If you'd like to learn more, let me know. I try not to be a zealot:)
You forgot Poland.
/me ducks
perhaps a bit of over-sensitivity.
it seems like the days of super political correctness just go way to far.
my previous comment wasn't meant as a condecending stab at the original poster or anything, it was just me speaking my mind.
Hell, I wouldn't have even posted to this if I wasn't afraid I had hurt your feelings.
no hard feelings, eh?
I'm a former redhat, suse, mandrake, and debian user.
I'm currently using gentoo.
I found it hillarious.
whatever floats your boat man, don't whine because they slammed you, I was slammed 5 times by it but my sense of humor and humility is still intact.
Advice: if this article pissed you off, you have issues. Get over it. it was a joke and not even that offensive of a joke.
Wouldn't it be fun if the president, when ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO START A WAR had to be under oath in front of Congress?
That way, if the proof he presented for the war was false, his ass would go to jail.
just a thought.
I would guess that the submitted code would be for whatever license the program intended to be patched would be.
Here's the way you gotta look at it. what would be a "reasonable expected use" for a patch? I'd imagine it would be used to patch a program. Do you expect the program to be relicensed due to your patch?
if no, the it's to be expected that your patch would be released under the same license.
if yes, inflated ego comments aside, you'd make note of that, or inform the main author somehow.
This is definately a legal gray area, but it sorta flys in the face of common sense.
would the author submit a closed source patch to an open source project, then be pissed when his code is GPL'd? No, they'd be retarded for thinking that.
I guess what I'm saying is if you submit a patch for a GPL'ed program, you have a reasonable expectation to believe your patch will be GPL'ed as well. It's not a free access pass to your code- it was intended for a specific use.
I get everyone and their father off of using Mirc and onto xchat because "it's free and it's available for windows AND linux" and this jackass pulls this shit.
Thanks alot for making me look like a retarded monkey.
if he wants to pull this crap, say you're leaving the xchat team, get the other authors to relicense their code to you under a more restrictive license, then call it WinChatX.
No losers in that scenario- you don't disgrace the xchat name, and you don't have 600000000000000 people pissed off at you for spitting in the face of the GPL (which is what I feel he's doing).
What, afraid people wouldn't use your product anymore if it doesn't have the xchat name on it? guess what- they're just gonna switch back to mirc when they see yours costs money, meaning the rest of us are gonna get slammed with the business end of the next mirc worm that decides to spam us.
/me debates switching back to epic
/me wonders WTF this wasn't on the front page